The Stacking Benjamins Show

Many think that the people who write about money on the internet were either born with a special "saving and investing" gene, or they had to grind their way to the top. The good news? Our guest today, The Humble Dollar's Jonathan Clements (and former Wall Street Journal Personal Finance columnist) shares tales from some of the top writers on his site and how they stumbled their way to victory. We talk about paying down debt, investing wisely, rent vs. buy, and much, much more. In our headline segment, a new study shows what product mix changes financial advisors intend to use with clients in the next twelve months. Can their tweaks help you with your own money? We'll share. Plus, in our TikTok minute, two creators have found a way to get rich quick: rob a bank...but creatively! You'll hear it here. Of course, we'll also share Doug's mind-bending trivia and much, much more! Enjoy! FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/jonathan-clements-1374 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at StackingBenjamins.com/201. Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Do you have assets in a previous employer's retirement plan? Would it be easier to consolidate all your retirement assets into one place? Today we're all about rollovers: what they are, how they work, and why you should care. We welcome Dana Anspach, CFP, the force behind Sensible Money, a financial planning service focused on clients who are nearing/in retirement, to help make sense of what rollovers are and if it makes sense to do one. Joining Dana is, Paula Pant, who has more knowledge about rollovers than pop culture, as well as our in-house CFP, OG. Dana also shares some of her experiences about rollover horror stories - and what steps you can take to avoid mistakes - and the potential tax consequences that may ensue. Paula chimes in with her experiences and thoughts on the rollover process, and OG imparts his wisdom on what scenarios may make for a more difficult rollover process. Doug brings the heat with some fast-paced this-day-in-history travel-themed trivia. FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/friday-roundtable-401k-rollovers-1373-2 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.StackingBenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rosalia Gitau is a force of nature. Don't take our word for it...Monday's guest Michael Gilmore, creator of the prestigious Money Awareness and Inclusion awards, said that to US when we interviewed him. That's when we knew we needed to talk to Rosalia. We're super glad we did and you'll be happy you sat in to listen, because in this interview performed LIVE on the Fireside app, we dive into: Her upbringing in poverty as an immigrant and an orphan How she found early success, including a mentor Her path to success (not nearly close to finished!) How she used her grandfather's success secret to create her own success How she dove into what women DO and what women WANT to create a financial space for them with Bixie You'll learn all of this and SO much more on today's show. No trivia today. No headline. No Haven Life line....just us and Rosalia on this VERY special interview episode. FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/Bixie-app-women-investors-risalia-gitau-1372 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at StackingBenjamins.com/201. Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Does picking the right investments, avoiding debt, or saving for goals stress you out? To most of us -- even the best savers -- stress is a reality, and just part of the "game" of money. Michael Gilmore, the Seven Dollar Millionaire, says that it doesn't have to be that way. Today he's on the show to teach us how Zen philosophy can help us relax, unwind, and still reach our financial goals (and maybe while living a better life). In our headline segment, there's LOTS of money sitting in cash right now, according to new data out. We'll share why sitting in cash might be a huge mistake, and also why trying to time "the right investment" is equally as dangerous. Plus, in our TikTok minute, we'll share a video shared by a listener about ONE financial measuring stick you might not have considered. Would it make sense to pay more attention? We'll share. Of course, Doug shares trivia and there's much, much more. Hope you're able to join us on today's show RUN OF SHOW: Introductions Headline: Trillions sitting in cash TikTok Minute: A new financial index? FEATURED GUEST: Michael Gilmore, the $7 Millionaire Haven Life Line Community Calendar Credits FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/find-your-money-zen-with-michael-gilmore-1371. Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at StackingBenjamins.com/201. Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Happy Father's Day weekend, and thanks for joining us! In honor of Father's Day, our all-dad roundtable tackles the topic of what are some important life lessons that they learned from their dads about money, work, and life. We're happy to have Brad Barrett from the ChooseFI podcast join the other two dads who frequently our Friday roundtables - Len Penzo of the award-winning blog, lenpenzo.com, and our very own OG. These three dads will share their fatherly wisdom with us. Plus, we top it all off with some dad-approved trivia about a shoe brand that's popular with many dads. FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/friday-roundtable-fathers-day-1370 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.StackingBenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mindset. The one thing you can change instantly is to find more opportunities, attract more dollars, and win new income streams. OG and Joe both share their top 5 best mindset quotes and dive into why they believe this outlook is key to winning with your money. Our goal? You'll hear a few old favorites and several that you've never heard before, to set you up for more success tomorrow. Plus, in our headline segment, we speak with Karl Brauer from iseecars.com about two recent studies they completed. Their researchers looked into which cars were the best value for the money (a combination of long-lasting and discount priced), and cars which are most likely to last for more than 250,000 miles. We also ask him about the new car vs. old car debate. Which is better to try and buy now? Karl has opinions and the latest news. Of course, that's not all. We have some trivia from Doug about price fixing (by the government!) and much, much more. Just another great day in mom's basement! Come join the fun! FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/Joe-OG-Top-5-Mindset-1369 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at StackingBenjamins.com/201. Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Crypto? Quick stock trades? A timeshare in a swamp? Huge profits? Taking advantage of people? Has that ever happened before? It turns out, that it has, in the wild, wild west, which roped in celebrities like Wild Bill Hickok and many others. Today, we'll tell their stories and rope the lessons around to today with master storyteller and host of the Legends of the Wild West podcast, Chris Wimmer. In today's headline, many of the day traders are bemoaning the "June swoon," thinking that there's some magic that's holding up their results. We'll share the data around the June swoon in the past. Plus, we'll also share our TikTok minute, with some BRILLIANCE from a TikTok creator. Of course, we'll also share some goodness from a Stacker who's called in to our Haven Lifeline. FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/wild-west-chris-wimmer-1368 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at StackingBenjamins.com/201. Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Do you really get what you pay for? Are some things just worth it to pay more for? We're beyond excited to welcome the one and only Paula Pant back to the roundtable. She's joined by Len Penzo of the award-winning blog lenpenzo.com and our very own high roller, OG, to carry on the year-long competition by guessing which items are on a top 20 list of things that aren't worth the money. (Number 14 will shock you!). Doug also brings some eye-opening trivia about one of America's biggest vices. Be prepared to be blown away when you hear what it is! FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/friday-roundtable-1367 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.StackingBenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Imagine growing up in a neighborhood where everyone is on government assistance, and still pulling yourself up onto your feet enough to attend one of the most prestigious colleges in the USA...only to find yourself deep in credit card debt and struggling. That's a small sliver of Yanely Espinal's story (you may know her as Miss Be Helpful on YouTube). She joins us today to help you figure out how to pay down debt, fix your credit, but most of all, to just get started. In our headline segment, Wells Fargo (that bad-boy bank out west) is in the news again, and NOT for a good reason. We'll share why AND what you should consider doing with your money if you're with one of the big banks. We'll talk credit unions, online banks, and the world of FinTech to help you make a swap to more friendly shores. Of course, we'll also throw out the Haven Lifeline to a Stacker in need AND challenge you with Doug's Miss Helpful trivia. Remember the Miss Helpful books? They made TONS of Benjamins for the author AND helped people to be a little kinder to each other. Show Rundown: Open/Introductions Headline - Wells Fargo Executive Paying a HUGE Fine Doug's Trivia Featured Guest - Miss Be Helpful, Yanely Espinal Haven Lifeline - Help a Stacker with their money Community Calendar/What We Learned Today FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/personal-finance-education-yanely-espinal-1336 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at StackingBenjamins.com/201. Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Itamar Mirani had to control his emotions while working as a spy for the Israeli government. The way he worked through emotions, mental blocks, and more, though was not at all what you'd expect. Today he shares his process for working through deep blocks so that we can make better financial moves, bold career advancements, and take part in more of life's great moments. It appears many small investors may be about to lose money on real estate, and thousands already have. Alan Corey from our sister show Stacking Deeds joins us to walk through a recent Wall Street Journal story about investments in the sector suffering from recent interest rate hikes. Are there more to come? How do you find out if you may be affected? We'll share. Of course, we have an "amazing" TikTok minute sent to us by a Stacker, as well as an answer to another Stacker who called our Haven Lifeline. We're glad to help. Show Flow: Open Headline - Thousands of small real estate investors suffer from a housing bust TikTok Minute Itamar Marani on mindset and busting down mental blocks Haven Life line Community Calendar What we should have learned today FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/itamar-marani-mindset-1365 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at StackingBenjamins.com/201. Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mom always said, "You can do more with less," but is that really true? Another popular line is, "problems are always more fun to show up to in a limo!" Today we'll clear up the clutter from your life, talk about how to determine what is "enough," and see what chasing too many "things" can do to your spirit. It's true: less truly often IS more and we're going to help you cut away. It's a sad day on the show because contributor Paulette Perhach is ending her nine-month run of filling in for Paula Pant, but we make the most of Paulette's expertise, along with that of the woman behind Simplify and Enjoy, Elle Martinez. Elle's a pro at teaching people how to do more with less and she helps our team help you today...along with the amazing Len Penzo from award-winning blog Len Penzo dot com. Of course, at the halfway mark of today's show, we'll continue our year-long trivia challenge between our contributors. Can Paulette leave tied for first with Len? Can Len pull ahead? Can Elle help OG get back into the race? You'll find out today. FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/elle-martinez-1364 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.StackingBenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ric Edelman has opinions, and they're both well-researched and timely. We pick his brain on annuities, crypto, central bank digital currency, and the future of money. Ric's book, The Truth About Money, was a revolutionary and even-handed look at money way back in 1996. We're sure you'll find his take on modern money as riveting still today. Plus, in our headline segment, what's going on with your credit? A new study from Tranunion shows that credit scores are a-changing. How? We'll share. Of course, we'll save time for Doug's trivia and more! FULL SHOW NOTES: www.stackingbenjamins.com/ric-edelman-1363 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at StackingBenjamins.com/201. Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You've heard the term "get rich slowly"? Today we're inspiring you to jump in the race! Martinus Evans was told, that as a 300 pound-plus man, that he was too heavy to run marathons. His doctor laughed in his face. Today he's been on the cover of Runners' World, sponsored by Adidas, and leads one of the country's largest running groups, the Slow AF Running Club. If you aren't inspired to jump over your fear, lace up your budgeting shoes, and get moving toward your goals today, I don't know how much more we can do to help! He's that inspiring. Plus, in our headline segment a recent blog post from a popular blogger rubbed us the wrong way. We'll dive into why you should maybe think differently than THIS blogger AND differently than most other people. Of course, we have an AMAZING TikTok minute that'll show you how the world truly (probably) was built, throw the Haven Life line out to Jon who goes on and on about Doug's mom…and more! FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/martinus-evans-1362/ Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at StackingBenjamins.com/201. Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Get ready to unleash your inner life designer and make every day a vacation! Join the inspirational Heidi Dusek from the Ordinary Sherpa podcast as she takes you on a journey to craft the life of your dreams. Plus, we've got the retirement guru himself, Len Penzo from LenPenzo.com, engineering his way to an epic retirement from his secret bunker. And let's not forget about OG, the mastermind behind designing other people's retirements. But wait, there's more! We'll spice up the show with Doug's mind-blowing Trivia, where he'll dazzle you with fascinating facts about the iconic Model T cars. And for all our USA Stackers out there, buckle up and get ready to have a happy and safe Memorial Day Weekend like never before! FULL SHOW NOTES: www.stackingbenjamins.com/friday-1361-design-your-life-with-heidi-dusek Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.StackingBenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mignon Francois was down to her last five dollars. Her power had been turned off and she flipped on a generator only at night so her kids would have some "normal" in their life. But things weren't normal then, and would be even less normal as she flipped that last five dollars into a cupcake empire. She'll share the story today that'll make you realize that you CAN do that thing that's been frightening you. First, though, in our headline segment Social Security is in the news. It turns out that some Americans don't receive any of America's largest social program benefits. What does this have to do with your planning, even if you DO qualify? We'll share. Of course, Doug's ready with some cupcake empire trivia AND we'll also throw the Haven Life line all the way "across the pond" to the UK, where James has a question that our Stackers around the world probably have all asked themselves before. FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/Made-from-scratch-with-Mignon-Francois Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at StackingBenjamins.com/201. Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Summer is here! Robert Niles kicks off our summer season by sharing deals and thrills around the nation's theme parks. We ask Mr. Theme Park Insider himself about how we can save money when we take the family but also (and maybe more importantly) how we actually make the day more fun so that it's worth the money we pay. Robert delivers on both fronts, with both wallet-saving and excitement-upping tips. We talk about some of the best theme parks in the USA plus the "big boys" of Disney and Universal. Plus, in our headline, one bank CEO thinks that we should impose some rules around "short selling." What is short selling anyway? How can people pick on "short" so much? We'll explore all of that. Of course, Doug will share some of his mouth-watering trivia AND we'll answer a fantastic question from the state of Wisconsin...proving that even though we thought Doug ruined it for us, this midwestern state still finds a way to love us. FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/summer-theme-park-episode-robert-niles-1359 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at StackingBenjamins.com/201. Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Can you actually sit back and make money without lifting a finger? Is winning the lottery truly a passive endeavor? Our Roundtable is diving into the world of 'passive' income strategies that have left them scratching their heads. Joining us today is the dynamic duo of Nurse Naseema from the Nurses on Fire podcast and the financial powerhouse behind Financially Intentional. Plus, we have the one and only Doc. G from our sister show Earn and Invest. And let's not forget our very own OG, ready to unleash his unique brand of actively passive aggressiveness. Will Naseema claim the trivia throne and surprise us all by having her baby during the recording? Will OG stay in the basement for the trivia score, meaning will he stay in last place in the mind-boggling trivia contest? FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/fri-roundtable-1358 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.StackingBenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Erin Lowry broke on the scene six years ago with her bestselling and groundbreaking book Broke Millennial. Today she's back on she podcast to dive into lessons she WISHES we'd learned from her original book and tips from her new workbook. We'll chat about credit, emergency funds, managing debt, reward points, and more! In our headline segment, who knew that you couldn't buy things with zero cash today, promise to pay installments, and NOT DO IT? #shocker. Pay later apps like Klarna and Affirm are in the news. We'll explain why on today's show. Of course we'll also throw out the Haven Lifeline to a lucky Stacker (today it's Will...go Tigers, Will!), Doug will share a helping of trivia, and much more. FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/erin-lowry-1357 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at StackingBenjamins.com/201. Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Steve Chou has made lots of money. He didn't do it by "following his passion." He sold hankerchiefs with his wife, who wanted to quit her job. Together they created businesses that rolled in cash. But Steve will be the first to tell you that the method he used was flawed. Today he'll dive into his mastakes and share kes to help you start your own business and make "a couple million" a year (Steve's number) without ruining your life, your relationships, or resorting to the "hustle culture" that chews up and spits out so many would-be entrepreneurs every year. In our headline segment, we'll dive into the automation craze. Chat-GPT is doing homework, writing ad copy, creating books...what can't automation do? The government is casting it's gaze on automation and has issues some strong warnings. We'll share those AND what you should think about when you're considering automation (or recommendations that come from automation) in the future. Of course, we'll also wind up the TikTok minute, Doug's trivia, and much more! FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/steve-chou-1356 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at StackingBenjamins.com/201. Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

As Stackers, it's second nature to want to be the best at everything; but when is it enough to just be good and not great? Are there instances where "good" may actually be preferable to "great?" Joining Paulette and Len for our roundtable to tackle this tricky topic, we welcome the host of the Money Confidential podcast, creator of the award-winning "Too Ambitious" newsletter, writer, entrepreneur, and all-around awesome human being Stefanie O’Connell Rodriguez. Plus, Doug Joe's mom's cousin, Diana, will surprise you with a bit of telephone patent-related trivia. Will Stefanie do OG a solid and make the year-long competition a 3-way tie? Will Paulette pull ahead again and put Team Paulette/Paula (#teamPP) in the lead? Will Len arise from his bunker under Los Angeles to win the day? Be sure to tune in and find out! FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/fri-roundable-1355 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.StackingBenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What happens when your marriage is struggling? Today we'll share some of the horrible stories and (more importantly) how to solve them OR how to make sure that you're able to function during a divorce. Forensic accountant Tracy Coenen and attorney Sarah Jacobs join us with their expert advice to hopefully avert a divorce or to help you navigate the heady waters of a marriage gone wrong. In our headline segment we dive into the world of high yield savings! Apple has introduced an account that pays among the best in class and also is connected to their credit card AND Apple pay! What could go wrong? We'll share how convenience might not always work in your favor. That's not all. Of course, we'll throw out the Haven Lifeline to a lucky listener and Doug will share some of his delicious Knight Rider themed trivia! Oh yeah! FULL SHOW NOTES: stackingbenjamins.com/tracy-coenen-sarah-jacobs-1354/ Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at StackingBenjamins.com/201. Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

What makes a great leader? What can you do to become one? We welcome the former CEO of United Airlines, Oscar Munoz, down in the basement to tackle these questions and learn from his business lessons over the span of his decades-long career in corporate leadership. He shares stories from his amazing turnaround, including his own story of a major health crisis early during his administration at the popular transportation company. During our headlines segment we'll dive into a story you've all probably been following: mortgage fees have changed and there's been LOTS of rhetoric about it…but what's the truth? We'll share a story you (sadly) probably aren't hearing enough. Are we returning to the dangerous mortgage business practices that resulted in the Great Recession of 2007-08 ? Or is it all overblown? Plus we'll throw out the Haven Lifeline to Luke in California who has a question about what types of investments he and his wife might consider if they're looking to retire early in about 10-12 years. FULL SHOW NOTES: https://www.stackingbenjamins.com/oscar-munoz-1353 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at StackingBenjamins.com/201. Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Don't be caught blindsided by uncomfortable money questions! Tune into this roundtable conversation where Paula, Len, and O.G. try to come up with the right ways to respond when faced with awkward money moments. The show originally aired in 2020 so ignore any mention of current events. Check out the original show notes here. FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/fri-roundtable-rewind-1352 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.StackingBenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Before you fly off on your summer vacation, don’t miss our podcast rewind episode where we interview Betty Thesky of Betty in the Sky with a Suitcase, where she shares some of the craziest stories you've ever heard from the perspective of a flight attendant. She came down to the basement to share some of her anecdotes that will leave you #ROFL. The show originally aired in 2016 so ignore any mention of current events. Check out the original show notes here. FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/betty-thesky-rewind-1351 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at StackingBenjamins.com/201. Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Don’t miss our podcast rewind episode where we interview Bola Sokunbi on the topic of why it's essential to be involved and in control of your financial decisions. Especially if you have the tendency to outsource your financial management, you want to tune into this important rewind episode! The show originally aired in 2019 so ignore any mention of current events. Check out the original show notes here. FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/bola-sokunbi-rewind-1350 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at StackingBenjamins.com/201. Enjoy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When money is tight, you gotta do what you gotta do. But who should you add to your financial accounts? What could possibly go wrong if you share money with your buddy? Today we are happy to have the creator of the blog Mark's Money Mind, CFP Mark Trautman, on to share his experiences in financial account sharing. Paulette Perhach joins us to share her financial sharing memories. And Len Penzo jumps in to give his perspectives on Affleck and Damon's level of trust. What are some smart rules to follow when sharing financial accounts with your spouse or other family member? What are some potential pitfalls, and how can you avoid them? Under what conditions is financial secrecy acceptable? Doug shares some trivia about how common financial sharing is among married couples. Will Mark make OG proud and put him squarely back into a first-place tie with Len; will Paulette bring the noise to the boys; or will Len extend his trivia dominance by another point? Tune in to find out! FULL SHOW NOTES: https://stackingbenjamins.com/Fri-roundtable-1349 Deeper dives with curated links, topics, and discussions are in our newsletter, The 201, available at https://www.StackingBenjamins.com/201 Enjoy! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices