The Sam Sanders Show

<p dir="ltr"><em>Looksmaxxing. Mogging. Clavicular. </em></p> <p dir="ltr">There’s an alarming new figure (and vocabulary) taking over influencer culture. What does it all mean for the current internet? Here to explain is author and artist <a href="https://www.jpbrammer.com/">John Paul Brammer</a>, who recently wrote about this for <em><a href="https://www.playboy.com/read/entertainment-culture/clavicular-the-radical-submissive?srsltid=AfmBOor4SI-vjR1aXPfo_iLmT735oPr3cl6mNN1l6BB4f7xrEdnjEMEF">Playboy Magazine</a>.</em></p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">And remember to take our <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSebOJGzPod7DhXNo8NvhFxMcLZxCmdPQL1sMq7sn_7-G4pYXg/viewform">survey</a>! We want to know more about you and what you love about the show.  </p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Kate Hudson has always loved acting, but she feels the most like herself when she’s singing. </p> <p dir="ltr">It’s how she landed her role in the musical drama <em>‘<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqU7iiHFCzw">Song Sung Blue</a>.’ </em>She stars alongside Hugh Jackman as performers in a Neil Diamond tribute band. She’s now nominated for an Academy Award for Best Actress for her performance. Kate tells Sam about how Quincy Jones encouraged her to sing as a kid and how she finally found the courage to share her voice. </p> <p dir="ltr">Kate also gets real about growing up in a famous family and the difficulties of working in Hollywood. Plus, she explains why she will always be grateful for the romantic comedies of her past.</p> <p dir="ltr"><em>“I walk down the street and I connect with girls from 13 years old right now to 70 years old. And I did that because I made movies that might not have necessarily got me nominated, but it's made people feel happy.”</em></p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">And remember to take our <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSebOJGzPod7DhXNo8NvhFxMcLZxCmdPQL1sMq7sn_7-G4pYXg/viewform">survey</a>! We want to know more about you and what you love about the show.  </p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p>

<p dir="ltr">From the Billboard charts to the Oscars, K-Pop is bigger than ever in Hollywood. Along with its global domination, there’s a dark side to the genre. Blatant appropriation of Black American culture. K-Pop stars caught using racial slurs. Fandoms torn apart over anti-Black racism.</p> <p dir="ltr">So, how should we all be thinking about K-Pop in 2026? Sam poses that question to Dr. Sarah Olutola, <a href="https://sarahraughley.com/books-by-sarah-raughley/">novelist</a> and professor at Lakehead University. Her research centers on pop culture, Black culture and K-Pop. They examine the history, geopolitics and future of a global system largely built off Black American art.</p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">And remember to take our <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSebOJGzPod7DhXNo8NvhFxMcLZxCmdPQL1sMq7sn_7-G4pYXg/viewform">survey</a>! We want to know more about you and what you love about the show.  </p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders </p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Today we’re sharing Sam’s episode from <em><a href="https://www.marketplace.org/shows/this-is-uncomfortable-reema-khrais">This Is Uncomfortable</a>.</em></p> <p dir="ltr">The show is all about life and how money messes with it. Sam joins host Reema Khrais to answer listener questions about finances and dating. They tackle issues with scammers, secret investments, and polyamorous partners. </p> <p dir="ltr">Remember to take our <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSebOJGzPod7DhXNo8NvhFxMcLZxCmdPQL1sMq7sn_7-G4pYXg/viewform">survey</a>! We want to know more about you and what you love about the show.  </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Comedian and actor Ms. Pat kinda does it all. </p> <p dir="ltr">She performs standup, hosts her own <a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUemHKGQx4qNbzKbYY59ePpP7FMgZ-3Ua">podcast</a> and created the acclaimed sitcom <em><a href="https://www.bet.plus/shows/the-ms-pat-show">The Ms. Pat Show</a></em> on BET+. The series is known for mixing a laugh track with real issues like racism, sexual assault and immigration. </p> <p dir="ltr">A recent episode follows Ms. Pat’s family as they help a young kid hide from ICE agents, while the show’s fictional President comes to town. Chaos ensues, but the story demonstrates Ms. Pat’s sharp ability to use humor as a vehicle to talk about pain. </p> <p dir="ltr">She tells Sam about the pushback she got from the network’s parent company over the episode and why she will never be silenced.</p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">And remember to take our <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSebOJGzPod7DhXNo8NvhFxMcLZxCmdPQL1sMq7sn_7-G4pYXg/viewform">survey</a>! We want to know more about you and what you love about the show.  </p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">The moment is Mormon. From <em>The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City</em>, to <em>The Bachelorette</em>, to popular TikTok accounts like Ballerina Farm, women of the LDS faith are dominating pop culture right now. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sam breaks it all down with author and journalist Bridget Read. Her latest piece for <em>New York Magazine</em> is titled: <a href="https://www.thecut.com/article/mormons-pop-culture-secret-lives-bachelorette.html">U<em>nder The Mormon Influence</em></a><em>.</em></p> <p dir="ltr">Bridget unveils the ‘<em><a href="https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZgXQPWNcwtk">receipts, proof, timeline…everything</a></em>’ behind this phenomenon. Plus, could all this new attention radically change the religion and its followers?</p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">Please consider taking our <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSebOJGzPod7DhXNo8NvhFxMcLZxCmdPQL1sMq7sn_7-G4pYXg/viewform">survey</a>! We want to know more about you and what you love about the show.  </p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Director Nia DaCosta has done it all. Horror, period drama, and even a Marvel blockbuster. Through it all, Nia is always asking: What does it mean to be human? Her latest films <em>Hedda</em> and <em>28 Years Later: The Bone Temple</em> are no different. </p> <p dir="ltr">She tells Sam about how horror themes mirror the real world, how she found her voice as one of the few Black women directors in the business, and why she’s not interested in teaching white people about race through her films. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">And remember to take our <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSebOJGzPod7DhXNo8NvhFxMcLZxCmdPQL1sMq7sn_7-G4pYXg/viewform">survey</a>! We want to know more about you and what you love about the show.  </p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">As awards season grinds on, we're revisiting a topic that really irks Sam – bad wigs on the big screen. Why do sooo many wigs look so wrong? Here to break down what’s going on is Hollywood hairstylist and wigmaker <a href="https://www.instagram.com/welldressedwigs/">Dawn Dudley</a>. Her work has been seen in <em>A Star is Born</em>, Rob Zombie’s <em>The Munsters</em>, HBO’s <em>Westworld </em>and tons more. She breaks down what’s really happening on Hollywood sets and says it’s often not the hairstylist’s fault. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">And please take our <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSebOJGzPod7DhXNo8NvhFxMcLZxCmdPQL1sMq7sn_7-G4pYXg/viewform">survey</a>! We want to know more about you and what you love about the show.  </p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p>

<p dir="ltr">Actor and comedian <a href="https://www.instagram.com/shrrycola/?hl=en">Sherry Cola</a> often finds wild parallels between the characters she plays on screen and her personal life, including her new role in the hit dramedy <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vWwWjy6r_0">Shrinking</a>. </p> <p dir="ltr">She breaks down how the show normalizes therapy with humor, what she’s learned from years of therapy, and why she picks roles that break the stereotype of the model minority. She also shares how playing a queer character in Freeform’s Good Trouble helped her finally come out to her parents. </p> <p dir="ltr">Plus, how Sherry’s early career on the radio prepared her for the big screen. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">And remember to take our <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSebOJGzPod7DhXNo8NvhFxMcLZxCmdPQL1sMq7sn_7-G4pYXg/viewform">survey</a>! We want to know more about you and what you love about the show. </p> <p dir="ltr"><strong id="docs-internal-guid-b5fcc521-7fff-ae99-450e-640ae40b88d6"></strong><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p>

<p dir="ltr">From the Grammys to the Super Bowl, this is Bad Bunny’s world… We’re just lucky to live in it. But his presence goes far beyond music. </p> <p dir="ltr"><a href="https://www.instagram.com/drnaterodriguez/">Dr. Nate Rodriguez</a>, professor of journalism and media studies at San Diego State University, teaches a course all about Bad Bunny’s influence on media, identity and global culture.</p> <p dir="ltr">Sam and Dr. Nate dive into the contrast of Bad Bunny’s success, while ICE is flooding American cities. They also discuss what the NFL gains from broadcasting his message to the world. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Today we’re sharing Sam’s episode from <em><a href="https://www.cnn.com/audio/podcasts/the-assignment/episodes/53344876-af5e-11f0-94f4-3794a9b57ff8">The Assignment with Audie Cornish.</a></em></p> <p dir="ltr">This year marks a milestone for Millennials: the youngest of the cohort finally turns 30. So what comes next for the first generation of true digital natives now that they have achieved “unc” status? Audie talks with Sam Sanders about the generation that watched media transform from <em>Buzzfeed</em> quizzes into AI slop. They also discuss Millennial activism taking over the generation’s Instagram feed as ICE protests continue in Minneapolis. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Should I have kids? Is there still enough time? Does time even matter? Comedian <a href="https://www.instagram.com/georgeciveris/">George Civeris</a> is grappling with a lot of life’s big questions lately. </p> <p dir="ltr">He explores all of this in his latest standup special <em><a href="https://www.georgeciveris.com/">A Sense Of Urgency</a></em>. He also chats with Sam about making jokes when the world is on fire and his own (sort of) immigrant experience as a gay millennial.</p> <p dir="ltr">Plus, they dive into his hottest takes on <em>The Real Housewives</em>, lost monoculture and gay vacation destinations.</p> <p dir="ltr">Check out George’s podcast <em><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4JwmzfCAD22229A7GJ81j1">Straightio Lab</a></em>.</p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Everyone is well aware of <em>Heated Rivalry</em>’s immense popularity. The gay hockey romance seduced the masses in ways we haven’t seen in years… Maybe decades? The show even has a following in Russia, where queer media is outlawed.</p> <p dir="ltr">Russian journalist Mikhail Zygar is familiar with that climate. He was exiled in 2022 when he came out as a gay and married his now husband. Mikhail recently wrote about the parallels between the show and his own life for <a href="https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/story/heated-rivalry-russian-lgbt-experience?srsltid=AfmBOorP1KArCX0j96lwIHiCd-u_XtNfpCDGoLx6EUvC7vfVHGVW8bue"><em>Vanity Fair.</em></a> He tells Sam about what it all means for state repression, freedom and hope for LGBTQ+ Russians.  </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Today we’re sharing an episode from KCRW’s <em><a href="https://www.kcrw.com/shows/question-everything/latest">Question Everything</a>.</em></p> <p dir="ltr">What happens when TikTokers replace TV hosts and interviewers, and presidential candidates start begging to be on their shows?</p> <p dir="ltr"><em>Question Everything</em> host Brian Reed sits down in a Brooklyn wine shop with four of the internet’s biggest creators: Caleb Simpson, who gets people on the street to take him up to their apartments; Julian Shapiro-Barnum who interviews kids on Recess Therapy; Anania Williams of the LGBTQ quiz show Gaydar; and Jack Coyne, host of the music game show Track Star. Their videos reach more people than many major news outlets. But who gets control over what they run? When is money changing hands? What do they do when politicians like Kamala Harris and RFK Jr. come calling?</p> <p dir="ltr">A frank conversation about the blurry grey area between this new form of entertainment and journalism.</p> <p dir="ltr">Check out the <a href="https://questioneverything.substack.com/">Substack</a>, with more reporting on the war over truth, free speech, and tech’s role in it all.</p> <p dir="ltr"><strong id="docs-internal-guid-5134a570-7fff-dd67-a307-62f68fbe9af5"></strong><em>Question Everything</em> is a production of <a href="http://www.kcrw.org/">KCRW</a> and <a href="http://www.placementtheory.com/">Placement Theory</a>.</p>

<p dir="ltr">Raphael Saadiq has been influential to the music industry since he burst onto the scene with his group Tony! Toni! Toné! — since then he’s produced hits with artists like Beyoncé and scored countless film and TV projects. </p> <p dir="ltr">He’s now nominated for an Academy Award for Best Original Song for his blues anthem “<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGJlfjRUb1s">I Lied To You</a>” from the blockbuster film Sinners. He breaks down what went into creating the song, his connection to director Ryan Coogler and his golden rule for making music for movies. </p> <p dir="ltr">Plus, Raphael remembers his late friend D’Angelo and shares the story behind their iconic song “<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxVNOnPyvIU">Untitled (How Does It Feel)</a>.”</p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr"><strong id="docs-internal-guid-fc1d3e13-7fff-6633-892b-f96e7154b6c4"></strong><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p>

<p dir="ltr">There’s a little trend that’s gaining a lot of traction… Many people are leaving Spotify – and making a fuss on their way out. </p> <p dir="ltr">They’re angry at the platform and the algorithm. They’re angry with how it pays artists. Some users are very angry about the ads Spotify runs. It’s quite the vibe shift for the world’s largest music streaming service. Sam breaks it all down with <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/authors/AVqLhKvqFik/ashley-carman"><em>Bloomberg’s</em> Ashley Carman </a>who recently reported from Spotify’s headquarters in Stockholm.</p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">It’s officially awards season in Hollywood – with endless red carpets, secret ballots, snubs, scandals… and vibes that feel increasingly weird.</p> <p dir="ltr">Joining Sam to check-in on the health of the movie industry are two of the sharpest cinephiles in the game. Amanda Dobbins and Sean Fennessey, hosts of <em><a href="https://www.theringer.com/podcasts/the-big-picture">The Big Picture</a></em> podcast. They unpack the drama shaping this year’s hottest races and break down this era of dramatic mergers, shrinking monoculture, and box office uncertainty. </p> <p dir="ltr">Plus, a round of bold predictions for 2026 and a few under-the-radar films you’ll want to catch up on ASAP.</p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Consumed by a fear of looking bad on camera, dance floors across the country are filled with young people standing still. It suddenly seems everyone is too scared to let loose and move to the rhythm.</p> <p dir="ltr">Artists like Tyler, The Creator and Kaytranada have recently called out their crowds for rigid behavior. Sam breaks it all down with <a href="https://www.wsj.com/arts-culture/music/new-years-eve-dancing-clubs-concerts-7e3f5f19?mod=author_content_page_1_pos_1">Elias Leight,</a> reporter covering the music business for The Wall Street Journal.</p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p><strong id="docs-internal-guid-af4635e0-7fff-9164-a9f2-f9f11425b671"><br></strong><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p>

<p dir="ltr">It’s a new year, so how about some timeless pop culture to lift our spirits?</p> <p dir="ltr">Music that heals, TV shows that inspire joy, movies that create everlasting memories. Sam describes these as Modern Scriptures – the stuff that we can return to again and again to help us stay grounded, centered and connected.</p> <p dir="ltr">Joining Sam for this is meditation and mindfulness expert Dan Harris. He hosts the popular podcast <a href="https://www.danharris.com/s/10-happier">10% Happier</a>. Dan shares the pop culture that always boosts his mental health and gives advice on how to make your New Year’s resolutions stick. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Today we’re sharing Sam’s episode from <em><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/one-song/id1696154359">One Song</a>. </em></p> <p dir="ltr">Is <em>Dreams</em> what it sounds like when personal chaos becomes collective brilliance? Recorded live at On Air Fest at KCRW, Sam joins hosts Diallo and LUXXURY to break down this Fleetwood Mac classic. Together, they dive into the <em>Rumours</em>-era drama and unravel why the magic of <em>Dreams</em> feels both intensely personal and universally resonant.</p> <p dir="ltr">If you like this episode, be sure to check out One Song on<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@OneSongPodcast/"> YouTube</a>,<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/one-song/id1696154359"> Apple Podcasts,</a><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/5HHEFjbW196ymwEuDa2BAx?si=857d6ea63f314d70"> Spotify</a>, or wherever you get your podcasts.</p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">There was a time when popular music was inseparable from civil rights and civil unrest. But today, very few popular songs reflect the grievances seen in the streets. </p> <p dir="ltr">Fela Kuti is an artist who wasn’t afraid to make protest music. Known as the father of Afrobeat, his music became the soundtrack for social change in his native Nigeria. </p> <p dir="ltr">He’s the focus of the new podcast <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fela-kuti-fear-no-man/id1835735529"><em>Fela Kuti: Fear No Man</em></a> created by Jad Abumrad. He tells Sam about the lasting impact of Kuti’s work, his complicated history, and asks… why are musicians today so afraid to get political? </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Today we’re sharing Sam’s episode from the <em><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-to/id1469631127">How To!</a> </em>Podcast. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sam is many things: journalist, podcaster, pop-culture obsessive, and a familiar voice from public radio. He’s also “quite possibly the world’s most hesitant homeowner.” Sam wants to fix up the house he recently bought, but three things are holding him back: First, he doesn’t have a clue where to start. Second, he’s not very handy. And third, he’s intimidated by the thought of talking with contractors (who might discover the first two things about him). In the first episode of a two-part series, host Carvell Wallace brings on home improvement expert and bestselling author <a href="https://www.mercurystardust.com/">Mercury Stardust</a> (aka The Trans Handy Ma’am) to guide Sam in conquering his fears.</p> <p dir="ltr">Mercury’s latest book is <a href="https://www.mercurystardust.com/full-store/p/signed-copy-of-safe-and-sound">Safe and Sound: A Renter-Friendly Guide to Home Repair</a>. </p> <p dir="ltr">Ready for part 2? This conversation continues with <a href="https://slate.com/podcasts/how-to/2025/11/mercury-stardust-sam-sanders-diy-fears">How To Take Charge of Home Repair</a>.</p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Today we’re sharing Sam’s episode from <em><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/life-in-seven-songs/id1749122105">Life in Seven Songs</a>. </em></p> <p dir="ltr">Sam grew up strictly Pentecostal in Texas. Non-religious music was forbidden in his house – so Sam got resourceful, smuggling CDs into the house in his underwear and watching MTV in secret.</p> <p dir="ltr">At 18 years old, just as he was getting ready to leave for Stanford, Sam’s life was turned upside down. Both of his parents suffered major health crises in the span of a few months, resulting in Sam becoming their caregiver. Years later, Sam would face another devastating double-whammy with the death of his mother followed a month later by a crushing breakup.</p> <p dir="ltr">Sam opens up about the music that carried him through – from Janet Jackson videos to soaring gospel tunes to revenge-fueled breakup anthems – and why today, he’s savoring the freedom he’s been chasing his whole life.</p> <p dir="ltr">If you like this episode, be sure to check out <em>Life in Seven Songs</em> wherever you get your podcasts.  </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Even though 2025 gave us big albums from artists like Lady Gaga and Bad Bunny, did pop music fall short overall? </p> <p dir="ltr">Sam breaks down the year’s hits and misses with <a href="https://www.reannacruz.com/">Reanna Cruz</a>, music journalist and producer at <em><a href="https://switchedonpop.com/">Switched on Pop</a></em>. Why does everything sound like it’s stuck in the 2000s? Who are the artists actually pushing boundaries? And is there anything to look forward to in the new year?  </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">NOTE: The Sam Sanders team is taking a short break for the holidays. We’ll be back with a new episode January 2. </p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p>

<p dir="ltr">Grammy winner Samara Joy is a jazz prodigy, but her singing is rooted in gospel music. </p> <p dir="ltr">She tells Sam about discovering jazz in high school, her family’s famous <em>Godmobile</em>, and how faith shaped the artist she is today. Plus, why her music will never be touched by AI. </p> <p dir="ltr">Samara Joy’s latest album <em><a href="https://www.samarajoy.com/">Portrait</a></em> is out now.</p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders</em> Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Tis’ the season! It’s that time of year when we’re bombarded by gift guides. Something for your partner, your friends, White Elephant gifts, and the always daunting task of getting something for your parents. It seems like every year we’re expected to GIVE so much. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sam breaks down the gift guide overload with Avery Trufelman, host of the <em><a href="https://www.articlesofinterest.co/podcast">Articles of Interest</a></em> podcast, a show all about what we wear. Together, they offer some thoughts on how to survive the craze of consumerism this holiday season. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p>

<p dir="ltr">This year saw some pretty spectacular pop culture moments… but there’s a few we hope to never see again. </p> <p dir="ltr">We’re breaking down the best and worst of 2025, from blockbuster hits like <em>KPop Demon Hunters </em>and <em>Sinners</em>, to the rebirth of rock with bands like Geese. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sam takes on this big task with help from <a href="https://www.instagram.com/thestackspod/?hl=en">Traci Thomas</a>, host of <em>The Stacks</em> podcast, and <a href="https://www.instagram.com/franklinjleonard/?hl=en">Franklin Leonard</a>, founder of <em>The Black List.</em> One thing they all agreed on? Ms. Rachel just might be this year’s unsung hero.</p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">HBO’s new gay romance series <em>Heated Rivalry</em> has the internet… <em>feeling things</em>. It tells the steamy story of two feuding hockey players who secretly desire (and devour) each other. The series rounds out a long list of queer pop culture moments from 2025. Alex Abad Santos, correspondent at Vox, joins Sam to look back on it all. </p> <p dir="ltr">From <em>I Love LA</em> to the re-release of <em>Brokeback Mountain</em>, they break down the Year in Queer entertainment, and ask what representation in media can still accomplish today. They also look at the shifting landscape of Hollywood studios. What could it all mean for future queer representation?</p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Oscar-winning costume designer <a href="https://www.ruthecarter.com/">Ruth E. Carter</a> makes people look good on the big screen — especially Black people. </p> <p dir="ltr">She’s the mind behind the costumes for countless iconic films including Malcolm X, Do The Right Thing, the Black Panther franchise, and arguably the biggest movie this year… Sinners. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sam chats with Ruth about the literal blood and sweat that goes into her designs, the first garment she ever made, and working as one of the few Black costume designers in Hollywood. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p> </p>

<p>Solomon Ray is the hottest new voice in Gospel music, but there’s a catch. He’s not real. </p> <p>Sam chats with <a href="https://www.andrewrchow.me/home">Andrew R. Chow</a>, a correspondent for <em>Time</em> where he covers technology. They break down the rise of AI in the music industry and how human artists are fighting back. Are streamers doing anything to filter out tracks made by machines? What can listeners do to avoid AI slop? Plus, why it’s getting harder to identify if a song is human made or not. </p> <p>Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show" target="_blank" rel="noopener">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p>The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p>

<p dir="ltr">To celebrate Thanksgiving, we’re sharing a special episode of <a href="https://lnk.to/yourmamaskitchenSS">Your Mama's Kitchen</a>. </p> <p dir="ltr">In the podcast, host Michele Norris and guests explore how our earliest culinary experiences shape our personal and professional lives. Plus, every guest shares a recipe for a favorite dish from their youth so you can taste a bit of their story.</p> <p dir="ltr">Sam was on the show recently where he took Michele and listeners back to his roots in Texas. Everyone in his house was a cook and there was a local "rabbit" man who sold all kinds of meat from his truck; including possum. Sam also opens up about a special moment he shared with his mom as she was recovering from a stroke, while cooking her special Smothered Chicken Recipe.</p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Now that <em>Wicked: For Good</em> is finally in theaters, has the industry been changed for the better? </p> <p dir="ltr">NOTE: This episode contains <em>hot takes</em> and <em>spoilers.</em></p> <p dir="ltr">Sam breaks it all down with Katey Rich, awards editor at <a href="https://theankler.com/">The Ankler</a>, and host of the <em><a href="https://theankler.com/s/prestige-junkie">Prestige Junkie</a> </em>podcast and newsletter. They dive into the memes, the money, and star power that created the biggest Broadway adaptation ever. Plus, what do all the mixed reviews mean for the film’s awards potential (looking at you, Ariana!) and what’s next for the Oz Cinematic Universe?</p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Danielle Pinnock got her big break in the wildly popular sitcom Ghosts. But just before she landed that role, she nearly quit acting.</p> <p dir="ltr">She tells Sam how a ton of hard work (and a little bit of lying and scamming) finally got her noticed. Danielle also breaks down why she continues fighting for Black stories and body acceptance in Hollywood. Plus, her latest hot take gets us in the mood for the holiday season.</p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Sports betting is a billion dollar industry chock full of scandals. </p> <p dir="ltr">Journalist <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/front-office-sports-today/id1579078258">Baker Machado</a> breaks down how gambling has infiltrated sports from the collegiate to professional level, how players get involved, and how betting companies push fans into spending money they often can’t afford to lose. Spoiler alert: it’s all legal. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Samin Nosrat found a love for cooking through working in acclaimed restaurants and visiting kitchens around the world. She became a star after releasing her hit cookbook <em>Salt, Fat, Acid, Heat</em> – which also became a Netflix series. But to her surprise, all that success left her feeling empty. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sam chatted with Samin in her ‘secret garden,’ surrounded by kumquats, limes and passion fruit. She broke down how hard it was to recover in the spotlight, and how she learned to embrace life’s pleasures. Plus, she dishes on the healing powers of dinner parties and gives advice for pulling them off yourself.</p> <p dir="ltr">Samin Nosrat’s new book is called <em><a href="https://ciaosamin.com/">Good Things</a>.</em></p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Author Michael Lewis is best known for writing <em>Money Ball, Liar's Poker </em>and <em>The Big Short</em>, his seminal book about the 2008 financial crisis that later became an Oscar-winning film. He sat down with Sam for a recent <a href="https://livetalksla.org/">Live Talk Los Angeles</a> event to celebrate the 15 year anniversary and new audio book of <em>The Big Short.</em></p> <p dir="ltr">They revisit the biggest lessons from 2008 and reflect on what’s changed —and stayed the same— in finance, society and entertainment since then. Plus, he shares what’s making him happy during these tumultuous times.</p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr"><em>The Sam Sanders Show</em> is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Comedian Jay Jurden loves seeing just how far he can push a joke. </p> <p dir="ltr">In his debut special, <em>Yes Ma’am</em>, Jay makes fun of everyone from millennials to Kid Rock to his own open marriage. Sam chats with Jay about his writing process, why you won’t hear a single Trump joke in his set, and why every comedian who has ever made fun of you might owe you money. </p> <p dir="ltr">Jay Jurden’s debut special <em>Yes Ma’am</em> is out now on Hulu. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p>

<p dir="ltr">For the first time in 35 years, there are no rap songs in Billboard’s Top 40. Is hip-hop in trouble? </p> <p dir="ltr">Sam breaks down what it all means with Justin Richmond, music journalist and host of Pushkin’s <a href="https://www.pushkin.fm/podcasts/broken-record">Broken Record</a> podcast. The two chat about the warning signs that might have led to this moment, how hip hop has evolved, and how Black music continues to influence artists across genres today. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Comedian Jazmyn W. pokes fun at everything from being a single mom to dating post-divorce. It’s part therapy, part life advice, and 100% real.</p> <p dir="ltr">She chats with Sam about why she isn’t afraid to be honest in her stand up, the realities of working as a comedian and content creator, and why even though she has over a million followers on TikTok, she couldn't care less if the app shuts down. Plus, Jazmyn’s hot take on reality dating shows.  </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Surprise! From now on you’ll be getting double the Sam in your feed every week. </p> <p dir="ltr">In today's episode...When Sam placed Jaws on our <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/horror-movie-faves-should-taylor-swift-retire/id1771084688?i=1000732278116"><em>Horror Movie Mt. Rushmore</em></a> our videographer, Luis Peña, had A LOT to say. Sam and Luis duke it out and find out once and for all what actually makes a horror movie a horror movie.  </p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p>

<p dir="ltr">We were all burned by the #GIRLBOSS era… just ask comedian Phoebe Robinson. Her latest standup special <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVnhpftTLCI"><em>I Don’t Wanna Work Anymore</em></a> gets into all the ways hustle culture made us all tired. </p> <p dir="ltr">Phoebe and Sam break down the realities of the girlboss, trad wives and tired baddies everywhere. They also reflect on the legacy of her comedy podcast <em><a href="https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/dopequeens">2 Dope Queens</a></em>, which she hosted with friend and fellow comedian <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jessica-williams-talks-therapy-and-life-lessons/id1771084688?i=1000681118032">Jessica Williams</a>. Plus, Phoebe shares why it’s just too late for her to become a sugar baby. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p>

<p dir="ltr">Hallelujah! It's finally spooky season! Time to break down the very best of Hollywood horror. Joining the show are culture journalists Brittany Luse (host of NPR’s <em><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/its-been-a-minute/id1250180134">It’s Been a Minute</a></em>) and Tre’vell Anderson (host of the film podcast <em><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/seated/id1841493344">SEATED</a></em>). </p> <p dir="ltr">They rank their favorite scary movies of all time and build the definitive <em>Horror Movie Mount Rushmore</em>. Can anything top Jordan Peele's <em>Get Out</em>? They also dive into the drama of celebrating Halloween while growing up Christian. Plus, pop culture hot takes! Swifties, you’ve been warned. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p>

<p dir="ltr">Maybe there actually was a song of the summer? At least if you’ve seen the hit movie KPop Demon Hunters. The film’s hottest song, Golden, has been dominating the Billboard Hot 100 charts since August. And it’s the most popular film to ever hit Netflix.</p> <p dir="ltr">Songwriter <a href="https://www.marksonnenblick.com/">Mark Sonnenblick</a> helped create the soundtrack’s major pop anthems. He talks about bringing them to life, his songwriting process, and why music is vital to great storytelling. Plus, he shares his hot take, all about another flashy musical… </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p>

<p dir="ltr">Ben Collins became CEO of <em>The Onion</em> after a long career working in traditional news, so he's got major thoughts about speaking truth to power. He breaks down the role of satire in our current politics and what journalism is getting wrong about free speech. </p> <p dir="ltr">Ben also talks about relaunching <em>The Onion</em>’s print newspaper and why AI will never write a good joke. Plus, he shares his pop culture hot take. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Actor June Squibb became a Hollywood leading lady in her 90s, decades after she first began acting. She tells Sam about finding stardom in older age, her Broadway debut in <em>Gypsy</em> in 1959, and why it’s alright to bend the truth every now and then.</p> <p dir="ltr">They also discuss her latest starring role in Scarlett Johansson’s directorial debut <em>Eleanor the Great</em>. The film follows June’s character, Eleanor, who gets swept up in a big lie...</p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p>

<p dir="ltr">Zosia Mamet is known for her breakout role as Shoshanna in the millennial core HBO series Girls. She breaks down the show's lasting legacy, what her character would be up to today, and why younger generations are still connecting with the show. </p> <p dir="ltr">Plus, Zosia’s new book of essays, <a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/703338/does-this-make-me-funny-by-zosia-mamet/">Does This Make Me Funny?</a>, gets candid about being a self-described “B-minus nepo baby” and what it's like to work with badly behaved bosses in Hollywood (it sucks). </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Anna Sale hosts one of our favorite podcasts (and probably yours too) <em><a href="https://slate.com/podcasts/death-sex-money">Death, Sex & Money</a>.</em>  </p> <p dir="ltr">In honor of her show, Sam and Anna roundup their picks for the best movies, tv shows, music and books all about (you guessed it!) death, sex and money. Together they get into the timeless lessons on grief in <em>The Lion King</em>, why Bonnie Raitt’s catalog is the ultimate remedy for heartbreak, and some surprisingly racy Aretha Franklin lyrics. Plus, Anna shares where she found joy this summer.</p> <p dir="ltr">Want more of Anna Sale’s musings? Check out her Substack <a href="https://annasale.substack.com/">From Somewhere</a>.</p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week!</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Pulitzer Prize–winning fashion critic Robin Givhan joins Sam to talk style, luxury, and legacy. Sam also asks the eternal question: which jeans should he wear—skinny, baggy, barrel, or wide leg?</p> <p dir="ltr">Robin offers sharp fashion advice and dives into her new book, <em>Make It Ours: Crashing the Gates of Culture with Virgil Abloh</em>. They unpack the rebellious influence of Virgil Abloh—the late visionary behind Off-White and the first Black designer to lead Louis Vuitton—and how he blurred the line between streetwear and high fashion.</p> <p dir="ltr">She also breaks down the biggest challenges in fashion today, from TikTok microtrends to whether “high fashion” still matters.</p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">Why do bad lyrics happen to good people? </p> <p dir="ltr">From ‘<em>suckin' on a chili dog</em>’ to ‘<em>making love to his tonic and gin</em>,’ even the biggest hits from our favorite artists can feature lyrical turns that make us feel quizzical, offended, or even downright nauseated.</p> <p dir="ltr">Sam joins Nate and Charlie, hosts of the Vulture music podcast <em>Switched on Pop</em>, to plumb the depths of the worst pop lyrics of all time—culled from hundreds of listener submissions—to categorize, historicize, and, perhaps, celebrate the art of the lyrical faux pas. Check out more episodes of <em><a href="http://www.switchedonpop.com/">Switched on Pop</a></em> anywhere you get podcasts. </p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p> <p> </p>

<p dir="ltr">BFF’s Lindy West and Meagan Hatcher-Mays (<em><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/text-me-back-with-lindy-west-and-meagan-hatcher-mays/id1713269318">Text Me Back! Podcast</a></em>) dive into what pop culture gets right (and wrong) about friendships. </p> <p dir="ltr">The duo share their hot takes with Sam, make a case for renaming <em>Love Island</em> to <em>Friendship Island</em>, and ask if MTV’s <em>The Real World</em> ruined the country. Plus, should some problematic celebrities (<em>cough *Cardi B* cough</em>) get a pass for being too real? </p> <p dir="ltr">Want more Lindy and Meagan? Check out their <a href="https://newslettermeback.substack.com/">Substack</a> for <em>Text Me Back! </em></p> <p dir="ltr">Sign up for <a href="https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/the-sam-sanders-show">Sam’s Newsletter</a> to get behind the scenes stuff from every interview each week.</p> <p dir="ltr">The Sam Sanders Show is a production of KCRW and Sam Sanders Productions.</p>