The Prestige TV Podcast

Juliet Litman and Jodi Walker are back to break down episodes 9 and 10 of ‘The Sex Lives of College Girls’ Season 2. They discuss this season’s inconsistent pacing, how it stacks up against the first season, and the heartbreaking finale, before they close with some superlatives. Hosts: Juliet Litman and Jodi Walker Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna Robinson is joined by Mike White, writer and director of ‘The White Lotus,’ to discuss the second season of the show, including his inspirations for the story lines, his reaction to the copious fan theories that flooded the internet, the execution of the season finale, and a little bit about what next season might look like. Host: Joanna Robinson Guest: Mike White Producer: Sasha Ashall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill, Jo, and Mal get together to share their reactions to the second-season finale of HBO's 'The White Lotus.' They touch on all of their favorite scenes and performances, particularly Jennifer Coolidge's rendition of Tanya, and talk about the overall theme of the season. After the break, they dive into their winners and losers of the episode and speculate on future locations for the show (25:42). They end the pod by submitting their top-five MVP ballots for the season and discuss which characters they'd like to see return for Season 3 (58:50). Hosts: Bill Simmons and Joanna Robinson Guest: Mallory Rubin Associate Producer: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Juliet Litman and Jodi Walker are back to break down episodes 7-8 of ‘The Sex Lives of College Girls’ Season 2. They open with a brief apology to Julia Louis-Dreyfus, before discussing Bela’s self-destructive nature, the two-episode weekly release structure, Leighton coming out to her dad, and a brief look ahead to next week’s final two episodes. Hosts: Juliet Litman and Jodi Walker Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna Robinson and Mallory Rubin convene for a deep dive, as they are wont to do, into the myriad theories circulating the internet and their brains concerning the mysterious finale ending of Season 2 of ‘The White Lotus.’ They are joined by television writer and podcast host Starlee Kine to go through each character grouping and discuss their predictions and the internet’s predictions. Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Mallory Rubin Guest: Starlee Kine Producer: Sasha Ashall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna and Charles return to make sense of the final four episodes of the Netflix show 'Wednesday' and to see what they can look forward to in a potential second season. Hosts: Charles Holmes and Joanna Robinson Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

They're creepy and they're kooky, Charles and Jo are here to discuss the wildly popular and all-together ooky Netflix show 'Wednesday.' They react to the first four episodes and discuss the evolution of the Addams family through the years and what a modern-day adaptation brings! Hosts: Charles Holmes and Joanna Robinson Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill Simmons and Joanna Robinson recap episode 6 of ‘The White Lotus,’ including the cowboy reveal, the violent arcs reaching their ends, and what they think will reveal itself in the final episode. Hosts: Bill Simmons and Joanna Robinson Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

‘The Sex Lives of College Girls’ is back and so are Juliet Litman and Jodi Walker to break down the latest episodes with all the gossip and laughs that come with it! Hosts: Juliet Litman and Jodi Walker Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill Simmons, Joanna Robinson, and Mallory Rubin recap episodes 4 and 5 of 'The White Lotus.' They talk about the addition of Tom Hollander to the cast (1:00), all of the sexual politics going on in the show (18:12), and make some predictions for the rest of the season (38:48). Hosts: Bill Simmons, Joanna Robinson, and Mallory Rubin Producer: Kaya McMullen Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Juliet Litman and Jodi Walker are back to break down episodes 3-4 of ‘The Sex Lives of College Girls’ Season 2. They are joined by Zoe Simmons to discuss cringey aspects of the show, situationships vs. relationships, messy characters, and how the show differs from ‘Euphoria.’ Hosts: Juliet Litman and Jodi Walker Guest: Zoe Simmons Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sean takes a break from the world of film to join Joanna for a breakdown of the streaming television miniseries created by Taffy Brodesser-Akner. Joanna and Sean debate whether the show should have been a movie instead, key missing components, Jesse Eisenberg’s portrayal of the lead character, and more. Plus, they have a broader conversation about the current landscape of streaming and where ‘Fleishman’ ranks among the top shows of 2022. Hosts: Joanna Robinson, Sean Fennessey Producer: Troy Farkas Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Juliet Litman and Jodi Walker briefly recap the first season of Mindy Kaling’s ‘The Sex Lives of College Girls’ before diving into the first two episodes of Season 2. They discuss why the HBO Max comedy series should be considered prestige television, how the show realistically handles sex in college, the most relatable moments in the season so far, and some small nitpicks. Hosts: Juliet Litman and Jodi Walker Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jo and Mal get together to talk about the last four episodes of Season 5 of 'The Crown' on Netflix. They dissect their favorite scenes and react to the remarkable acting performances, particularly Elizabeth Debicki's depiction of Princess Diana. They end the pod by making their predictions for Season 6 and handing out their awards. (1:20:23) Hosts: Mallory Rubin and Joanna Robinson Associate Producer: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill and Joanna get together again to dissect their favorite scenes and performances from the third episode of the new season of 'The White Lotus' on HBO. Along the way they speculate on whether we'll see a Laura Dern appearance this season, debate Michael Imperioli's acting potency, and examine 'The Godfather' tie-ins to the episode (18:54). They end the pod by making their predictions for Episode 4 and revealing their Emmy favorite from the show so far (36:23). Hosts: Bill Simmons and Joanna Robinson Associate Producer: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Charles and Van are back to talk ‘Atlanta’ for the final time. The guys dive into the madness of Darius’s solo journey, then discuss Earn, Alfred, and Van’s experience at a blacked-owned sushi restaurant, as well as the overall surrealism of the show. Later, they rank each season of ‘Atlanta’ and debate where the show falls amongst other shows in the Prestige TV pantheon. Hosts: Charles Holmes and Van Lathan Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jo and Mal are back to break down episodes 4-6 of the fifth season of ‘The Crown.' They discuss the characterization of Philip, share their thoughts on the Charles-centric fifth episode, and of course close the show by handing out awards. Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Mallory Rubin Associate Producer: Mike Wargon Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A new season of 'The Crown' is upon us, and Jo and Mal are here to break down the first three episodes of the full season drop now on Netflix. Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Mallory Rubin Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In anticipation of the fifth season of 'The Crown', Joanna Robinson and Mallory Rubin sit down to take a look back at the first four seasons of the prestige Netflix show and what it can bring to the new season and cast for Season 5. Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Mallory Rubin Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Charles Holmes and Joana Robinson discuss the latest adaptation of Anne Rice’s gothic novel, ‘Interview with the Vampire’ on AMC. While the show has no ties to the 1994 film adaptation, they discuss the differences between the two before praising Jacob Anderson’s portrayal as Louis de Pointe du Lac, and the dedication to maintaining the authenticity of the entire production. They also debate whether the show has enough draw to bring more subscribers to AMC+, how race played an important part of the show, the use of music, differences from the novel, and more. Hosts: Joana Robinson and Charles Holmes Producer: Jessie Lopez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill and Joanna get together to talk about the second episode of the new season of 'The White Lotus' and they begin by exploring the character dynamics between the son/father/grandfather trio of Albie, Dominic, and Bert. They then juxtapose Michael Imperioli and Jennifer Coolidge's famous on-screen personas to their 'White Lotus' performances before dissecting their favorite scenes and Mike White's writing style.(12:01) After the break, they pick their winners and losers of the episode and and make their predictions for the rest of the season.(27:18) Hosts: Bill Simmons and Joanna Robinson Associate Producers: Isaiah Blakely and Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Charles and Van go deep into the countryside as they breakdown Alfred’s wild hog-filled, tractor-ridden adventure and what this solo journey means for the development of the character. Hosts: Charles Holmes and Van Lathan Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill and Joanna get together to talk about the Season 2 premiere of 'The White Lotus' on HBO. They begin their conversation by examining the show's evolution from limited series to Emmy-winning juggernaut heading into its second season while also shining a light on director Mike White's stylistic contributions. They then dive into the show's character dynamics, talk about the effectiveness of releasing a series in a weekly format vs. an all-at-once binge, and debate why 'The White Lotus' is so special.(7:02) Finally, they rank their favorite subplots, appreciate Aubrey Plaza's impeccable performance as Harper Spiller, and break down the pivotal scenes from the episode.(28:49) Hosts: Bill Simmons and Joanna Robinson Associate Producers: Isaiah Blakely and Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van and Charles are back to dive into the eighth episode of the final season of ‘Atlanta.’ The guys discuss the racial history of ‘The Goofy Movie,’ the Disney character Goofy, the Ninja Turtles, and other cartoon characters they consider black, while also breaking down the episode itself. Hosts: Charles Holmes and Van Lathan Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Van is joined by Ringer editor Khal Davenport to dive into the latest episode of ‘the final season of Atlanta.’ The guys discuss the beauty of Sade’s love songs, the potential hidden meaning of the snipe in this episode, and of course Van and Earn’s love finally being solidified. Host: Van Lathan Guest: Khal Davenport Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Charles and Van dive into the ‘Crank Dat’ era of hip-hop, the choke hold that sneakers have on society, and much more as they break down the sixth episode of the final season of ‘Atlanta.’Hosts: Charles Holmes and Van Lathan Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Charles and Van take a close look at Tyler Perry’s reputation while breaking down the fifth episode of the final season of ‘Atlanta.’ The duo dives into what exactly Donald Glover is attempting to say about Tyler Perry as a filmmaker. Hosts: Charles Holmes and Van Lathan Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Charles and Van dive into colorism and broken black family drama as they analyze the fourth episode of the final season of ‘Atlanta.’ Hosts: Charles Holmes and Van Lathan Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill and Joanna get together to discuss Netflix's limited-run series 'Monster: The Jeffrey Dahmer Story,’ and they begin by talking about the decision to go all in on the blood and gore at the very beginning, and if Jeffrey Dahmer was as compelling in real life as Evan Peters’s sensitive depiction. They then dive into how the real-life events from the series were covered in the '90s, the amazing acting performances by Peters and Niecy Nash, and some of their favorite scenes.(6:28) Finally, they examine what we can learn from movies about serial killers, why they continue to be so popular, and compare ‘Monster’ to Ryan Murphy’s other projects.(22:40) Hosts: Bill Simmons and Joanna Robinson Associate Producer: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Charles and Van take a close look at the third episode of ‘Atlanta’ Season 4, while diving into what it means to be an aging rapper in the music industry. Hosts: Charles Holmes and Van Lathan Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Wosny Lambre and Jodi Walker recap the tumultuous finale of the second season of HBO’s ‘Industry.’ They react to the shocking final scene, the arc of Harper's and Yasmin’s characters this season, and the corrosive nature of the show’s writing style. Hosts: Wosny Lambre and Jodi Walker Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Charles and Van are back to break down the first two episodes of Season 4 of 'Atlanta.' The guys dive into the hidden meanings behind the journeys of Earn, Van, Alfred, and Darius in their return to Atlanta in Episode 1 (2:00). Later, the guys take a close look at Earn's trip to therapy and the events that follow in Episode 2 (24:00). Hosts: Charles Holmes and Van Lathan Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Wosny Lambre and Jodi Walker join forces to discuss Episode 7 of HBO’s ‘Industry’ and preview what is sure to be an epic Season 2 finale. Hosts: Wosny Lambre and Jodi Walker Producer: Devon Manze Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill Simmons and Mallory Rubin dive into the series premiere of Showtime’s ‘American Gigolo’ remake starring Jon Berthal. Later, they give predictions on what to expect for the season. Hosts: Bill Simmons and Mallory Rubin Associate Producer: Jonathan Kermah Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Wosny Lambre and Jodi Walker recap episodes 5 and 6 of HBO’s ‘Industry,’ a pair of episodes that both subvert and reinforce what viewers have come to expect from the show. Hosts: Wosny Lambre and Jodi Walker Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Wosny Lambre and Jodi Walker recap Episodes 3 and 4 of ‘Industry’ Season 2. They discuss Yasmin’s character development, the fall of Eric, Harper’s ambition, and much more. Hosts: Wosny Lambre and Jodi Walker Associate Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Ringer's Bill Simmons is joined by Juliet Litman to discuss Nathan Fielder’s return to TV in HBO’s bizarre show ‘The Rehearsal’. Hosts: Bill Simmons and Juliet Litman Producer: Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Ben and Joanna begin their review of the series finale of 'Better Call Saul' by sharing their individual podcast preparation rituals and analyzing the episode's promo art. They then discuss Gene's escape attempt, his transformation back into Saul Goodman once he's in jail, and Marie Schrader's cameo (10:24). Next, they go over Gene's cinematic scene with the prosecuting lawyers and use callbacks from the series to talk about the reappearance of Kim Wexler and Jimmy's climactic trial/confession scene (26:40). After the break, they dive deep into the trio of flashbacks that feature Mike, Walter, and Chuck, while thoughtfully evoking storyline comparisons to H.G. Wells's "The Time Machine" and Charles Dickens's "A Christmas Carol" (41:18). They then pivot to final scenes between Jimmy and Kim, and theorize possible future scenarios for Wexler's character (1:08:34). They end the pod by comparing the 'Better Call Saul' finale to some of their other favorites, and offer their final thoughts on the series (1:25:26). Hosts: Ben Lindbergh and Joanna Robinson Producer: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna, David, and Danny break down the Season 4 finale of 'Westworld' by recapping the episode, asking 10 big questions about Season 4, pondering the likelihood of a fifth and final season, and more. Hosts: Joanna Robinson, David Shoemaker, and Danny Heifetz Producer: Kyle Crichton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Wosny Lambre and Jodi Walker briefly recap Season 1 of HBO’s ‘Industry’ before discussing the first two episodes of Season 2. They discuss the growth of the show since its release, the unique way the show utilizes sexuality and drugs, the dislike for Harper’s character, Yasmin’s journey, and more. Hosts: Wosny Lambre and Jodi Walker Producer: Jessie Lopez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna and Ben begin their review of the penultimate episode of 'Better Call Saul' by examining Kim's new life in Florida, while evoking similar storylines from other series like 'The Shield' and 'Fargo' to determine if this is the most suitable ending for this character. Next, they dissect the phone call between Gene and Kim and ponder the significance of the jail-cell-like office blinds in her office and Gene's recklessness during his heist (23:07). Then, they go over all of the visible series callbacks during Kim's visit to the Albuquerque courthouse, praise Rhea Seehorn's performance during the powerful bus scene, and speculate on Kim's future when she gets back to her life in Florida (34:25). After the break, they dive into the emotional complexities of Gene's heist scene and the welcome comedic relief of Jeff's erratic response to seeing the police outside of the house (45:43). Finally, they touch on the harrowing final scene with Marion, explore its cinematic tie-ins to other classic films, and talk about its place in the history of Gene/Saul/Jimmy's trustworthiness in the character's timeline.(52:00) Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Ben Lindbergh Producer: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna, David, and Danny break down the disappointing penultimate episode of ‘Westworld’ Season 4. First, they recap everything that happened in the episode (3:54). Then, they discuss William’s fate (6:20) before getting into the major character deaths and if they even matter at all (15:34). Later, they look ahead to the finale and if it will be able to change their view of this season (1:02:03). If you have any questions or thoughts about 'Westworld', you can email Joanna, David, and Danny at [email protected] Hosts: Joanna Robinson, David Shoemaker, and Danny Heifetz Associate Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, Wosny Lambre, and Justin Sayles revisit 'The Sopranos' by looking back at Episode 5 of Season 5: “Irregular Around the Margins.” Hosts: Bill Simmons, Van Lathan, Wosny Lambre, and Justin Sayles Producer: Jessie Lopez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna and Ben begin the podcast by talking about their recent Cinnabon adventures and dissecting the promo art for this week's episode. Next, they discuss the tie-ins between 'Better Call Saul' and the film 'The Days of Wine and Roses', and theorize if this series is following a similar plotline. (14:50) They then break down Gene's emotional phone calls with Francesca and Kim and discuss the varying implications of both. (20:04) This leads to a debate about Gene/Saul/Jimmy's morality arc and a thorough examination of the scam montage. (33:22) After the break, they take a look Walt and Jesse's appearance, and all the scenes that connect the 'Breaking Bad' and 'Better Call Saul' timelines. (52:52) Finally, they speculate on what lies ahead in the final two episodes.(1:11:25) Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Ben Lindbergh Producer: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna, David, and Danny break down 'Westworld' Season 4, Episode 6, “Fidelity.” First, they recap everything that happened in the episode (2:37). Then, they discuss Caleb’s journey throughout the episode and what Charlotte’s plans are for him (9:22). Later, they discuss Frankie and what is going on with the human resistance (34:37), before going to Theory Corner (57:40). If you have any questions or thoughts about 'Westworld,' you can email Joanna, David, and Danny at [email protected] Hosts: Joanna Robinson, David Shoemaker, and Danny Heifetz Associate Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna and Ben get together to share a Cinnabon roll and their reactions to the latest episode of 'Better Call Saul', entitled "Nippy". They begin their conversation by praising the expert direction and writing by Michelle MacLaren and Alison Tatlock, and talking about how the misdirection within the episode's description changed their expectations. They then pivot to Carol Burnett's amazing cameo performance as cab driver Jeff's mom and speculate on what the title sequence and a recent Vanity Fair video featuring Bob Odenkirk and Rhea Seehorn may be revealing about the upcoming events in the final stretch of the series.(13:42) Next, they break down what the audience can learn from the college football dialogue within the episode and draw character and timeline parallels between Jimmy/Saul/Gene and Walter White. (34:34) After the break, they discuss how the tension during the heist sequence brought out the best aspects of Bob Odenkirk's acting prowess, their hopes for the end of the series, and how 'Better Call Saul' has changed how they view the 'Breaking Bad' universe.(47:57) Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Ben Lindbergh Producer: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna, David, and Danny break down 'Westworld' Season 4, Episode 5, “Zhuangzi.” They start by recapping everything that happened in the episode (2:13), before discussing Christina’s story and theorizing about who sent Teddy (3:53). Later, they go through other storylines in the episode (34:37) and go to Theory Corner to talk about the frequency of the Earth (57:42). If you have any questions or thoughts about 'Westworld,' you can email Joanna, David, and Danny at [email protected] Hosts: Joanna Robinson, David Shoemaker, and Danny Heifetz Associate Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna and Ben start their conversation by discussing the amazing job director Michael Morris and writer Ann Cherkis did on this episode and the other chapters they worked on together in the 'Breaking Bad' universe (21:19). Next, they dissect the opening montage and compliment Rhea Seehorn's performance in this episode and throughout the series (24:08). They then debate the episode's theme of dual identities and lament Gus's inability to show his true self to the cartel, as well as the metaphorical prison he and Mike have built around themselves as a result of their actions (30:14). After the break, they discuss Howard's memorial at HMM and ponder if this was the moment in which Kim ultimately decides to exit the "bad choice road" and split with Jimmy (47:18). Finally, they end the pod by dissecting Jimmy's cinematic transition into Saul Goodman, theorize how the 'Better Call Saul' and 'Breaking Bad' timelines will be cemented, and look forward to next week's episode and the rest of the season (1:07:46). Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Ben Lindbergh Producer: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna, David, and Danny break down 'Westworld' Season 4, Episode 4, “Generation Loss." First, they briefly recap everything that happened in the episode (5:25) before analyzing each story line—starting with figuring out when in the timeline Christina’s story is taking place (11:52). Later, they go to Theory Corner to discuss what they think will happen in the second half of the season (54:32). If you have any questions or thoughts about 'Westworld,' you can email Joanna, David, and Danny at [email protected] Hosts: Joanna Robinson, David Shoemaker, and Danny Heifetz Associate Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna and Ben get together to celebrate the triumphant return of the final season of 'Better Call Saul', and begin their conversation by discussing Episodes 8's haunting opening scene. They then talk about Lalo's moral code throughout the series, and if his tragic end was respectful to it (12:35). Then they dissect the Jimmy/Saul dichotomy and Kim's loyalty to him, particularly within the construct of their relationship with Lalo (16:09). Next, they look at the tie-ins between 'Better Call Saul' and the movie 'Born Yesterday', which is featured in the episode, and the intricacies Gilligan and Co. have employed to develop each of the characters since the beginning of the 'Breaking Bad' universe (23:53). Finally, they debate if the final confrontation between Lalo and Gus really could've gone down differently, and theorize what will happen in the final stretch of the series (54:26). Hosts: Ben Lindbergh and Joanna Robinson Producer: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices