The Prestige TV Podcast

Season 6 of ‘The Crown’ has finally arrived! Jo and Amanda sit down to recap the first two episodes of the four-episode drop on Netflix, including all the great performances and a beat-for-beat breakdown of the real-life controversies that inspired the show. Check back in the feed Monday for our recap of episodes 3 and 4. Hosts: Jo Robinson and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Sasha Ashall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In anticipation of the November 16 drop of the first half of ‘The Crown’ Season 6, Jo and Amanda discuss their favorite performances and moments in Season 5 and where the show leaves off, before previewing everything we know about the final season so far. Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Sasha Ashall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill and Sean come together to discuss ‘The Curse,’ the new project from the Safdies, Nathan Fielder, and Emma Stone. They talk about the melding of tones going on in the show, Emma Stone’s choice to be in a TV show despite being such a huge movie star, and the strangeness of the TV streaming landscape right now. Hosts: Bill Simmons and Sean Fennessey Senior Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In anticipation of the next and final season of ‘The Crown,’ Jo and Amanda dig into the best episode (according to us) of the series, “Tywysog Cymru,” in which a young Prince Charles travels to Wales to assume his royal title of Prince of Wales. Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Sasha Ashall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill and Chris join together to honor Matthew Perry by celebrating the success of the ‘Studio 60’ pilot. They discuss the impressive chemistry between Perry and costar Bradley Whitford, highlight the end of a television era with the shift from 22-episode seasons to more unscripted content, and explore the complicated history of Aaron Sorkin’s work. Hosts: Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan Producer: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

JoVanna makes their triumphant return to the feed with Netflix’s spooky season miniseries ‘The Fall of the House of Usher,’ which they recap in full. They break down Mike Flanagan’s body of work and their love for Edgar Allen Poe’s work, and talk about their favorite horror short fiction. Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Van Lathan Producer: Sasha Ashall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill and Amanda get together to talk about the first two episodes of the new season of Apple TV+'s ‘The Morning Show.’ They begin their conversation by commenting on the heavenly lighting, special effects, and camerawork of the Season 3 premiere and catching up on all the story lines from the end of Season 2. They then discuss all of their favorite moments and scenes so far while shining a light on the acting performances of the star players, particularly Reese Witherspoon, Jon Hamm, and Billy Crudup (4:55). Finally, Bill and Amanda make their predictions on how the season will end (40:28). Hosts: Bill Simmons and Amanda Dobbins Associate Producer: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney return to break down the Season 1 finale of ‘Justified: City Primeval.' They recap their overall feelings on the season, share their enthusiasm for the arrival of Boyd Crowder, and hypothesize what a future season of ‘Justified’ would look like. Later, Joanna is joined by executive producer and director Michael Dinner to talk about the epic return of Boyd Crowder, the fascinating process of Walton Goggins’s role reprisal, and much more. Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney Guest: Michael Dinner Producer: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Albanians are back and it is the penultimate episode of 'Justified: City Primeval'! Joanna and Rob are here to give you all you need to know and predict how the finale will shake out! Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It's all about a book and so many double-crosses as Joanna and Rob break down the latest episode of 'Justified: City Primeval.' Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Find out what this old rascal Raylan Givens is up to this time in the fifth episode of ‘Justified: City Primeval!’ Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jo and Mal are back at the Arconia recapping the two-episode premiere of Season 3 of ‘Only Murders in the Building.’ They talk about the murder premise, the new big-name actors, and the musical theater angle on this season before naming their prime suspects. Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Mallory Rubin Producer: Sasha Ashall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chris Ryan and Joe House share their thoughts on the first episode of ‘Winning Time’ Season 2. They discuss the return of the HBO original series and debate whether it’s better or worse to watch the show as an NBA fan, its similarities to producer Adam McKay’s ‘Succession’, and what they look forward to the most for the remainder of the season. Hosts: Chris Ryan and Joe House Producer: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In anticipation of Season 3 of ‘Only Murders in the Building,’ which will premiere two episodes Aug. 8, Jo and Mal recap the best and worst of Seasons 1 and 2, their favorite episodes and bits, and where we left off at the end of Season 2. Then they discuss what we know about the setup of Season 3 and the new cameos and characters to expect. Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Mallory Rubin Producer: Sasha Ashall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna Robinson and Van Lathan return to reflect on the second half of Apple TV+’s ‘Hijack,’ including its recent season finale. They discuss the show’s legacy as original IP, what a potential second season might look like, and more. Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Van Lathan Producer: Devon Manze Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It's time for more hats, bourbon, and Albanians as Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney are here to recap the fourth episode of 'Justified: City Primeval.' Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna and Juliet are joined by Nora Princiotti to discuss two pivotal episodes in the first season of 'The O.C.'—"The Girlfriend" and "The Escape." The three discuss the emerging relationship dynamics between Summer and Seth, Ryan and Marisa, and Sandy, Kirsten, and Caleb. They also reflect on the instantly-iconic soundtrack and the legacy it left in film, TV, and wider culture. Hosts: Joanna Robinson, Juliet Litman, and Nora Princiotti Senior Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jo and Juliet are joined by Alan Sepinwall, author of the upcoming book, ‘Welcome to the O.C.: The Oral History.' Before they dive into the episodes, they debate whether ‘The O.C.’ helped create the online recap community, discuss how the Seth Cohen character impacted pop culture, and how the pacing of the first season affected the characters in future seasons. They discuss the story lines in each episode, Tate Donovan’s role as Jimmy Cooper, as well as Paul Wesley’s role as Donnie. Also, Stephanie Savage’s contribution to the show, what differentiates the show’s writing from others released around the same time, why Adam Brody’s career never blew up, and more. Hosts: Joana Robinson and Juliet Litman Guest: Alan Sepinwall Producer: Jessie Lopez Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna and Rob return to give us the dance behind the glass and recap the latest episode of 'Justified: City Primeval.' Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill, Jo, and Juliet continue the 'O.C.’ Hall of Fame tribute by immediately diving into their favorite scenes and overly dated nitpicks for the show’s second episode, "The Model Home." They quickly pivot to its iconic follow-up, "The Gamble," which ignites a discussion about the casino night phenomenon in pop culture and a debate on whether the series' overall plot was essentially a Seth- or Ryan-centric saga (10:28). After the break, they discuss how modern streaming shows would maximize the amount of dramatic content already presented at such an early point in the series and the complications of developing signature characters within a highly popular show with so many episodes (23:56). They end the pod by pondering why there aren’t more fish-out-of-water stories like ‘The O.C.’ being produced today and waxing nostalgic for network TV programming (33:11). Hosts: Bill Simmons, Joanna Robinson, and Juliet Litman Associate Producer: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill, Juliet, and Joanna get together to celebrate the 20th anniversary of ‘The O.C.’ premiere and begin their conversation by sharing their experiences during both the rewatch of the show and when it first aired in 2003. They then search for contemporary comparisons to series' influence and shine a light on its exquisite casting, particularly Adam Brody’s role as Seth Cohen (8:49). After the break they discuss the first episode’s premise, lament the lack of “appointment television” teen dramas in today’s binge-drop market, and marvel at the perfection of Phantom Planet’s epic theme song (23:21). They end the pod by revealing where they were when they heard the iconic phrase “welcome to the O.C. bitch” and debating the episode’s place amongst the pantheon of great TV pilots (37:27). Hosts: Bill Simmons, Juliet Litman, and Joanna Robinson Associate Producer: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna Robinson and Van Lathan give their thoughts on the first half of the Apple TV series ‘Hijack.’ They discuss Idris Elba’s performance and career arc as a leading man in shows and movies, what makes this show work, and much more. Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Van Lathan Jr. Producer: Isaiah Blakely Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney return to don the hat and take on the mean streets of Detroit in this recap of the two-episode premiere of 'Justified: City Primeval.' Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Rob Mahoney Senior Producer: Steve Ahlman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chris, Mallory, and Joanna come together to revisit “Bloody Harlan,” the Season 2 finale of the Emmy-winning TV series ‘Justified.’ They discuss the underrated legacy of the FX crime drama, why “Bloody Harlan” deserves an induction into the Prestige TV Hall of Fame, and their early thoughts on the brand-new sequel series ‘Justified: City Primeval.’ Hosts: Chris Ryan, Mallory Rubin, and Joanna Robinson Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Charles and Van share their thoughts on the final two episodes of ‘The Bear’ Season 2 and wrap up their coverage of the FX series for this season. They discuss the immense success of the show’s second season, the palpable chemistry between Carmy and Sydney, the crushing final scenes, and where ‘The Bear’ ranks among the best TV shows of 2023 so far. Along the way, the guys talk about the impressive production design behind the new restaurant and how its ambience still feels similar to the Original Beef, as well as whether the Coach K metaphor worked. Hosts: Charles Holmes and Van Lathan Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Charles and Van share their thoughts on the seventh and eighth episodes of ‘The Bear’ Season 2. They discuss whether or not this season would have been better served on a weekly release schedule rather than a binge drop, Richie’s satisfying redemption arc, and criticisms of Claire’s role in the story. Along the way, the guys talk about why art about finding something can be even more compelling than art that revolves around loss. Hosts: Charles Holmes and Van Lathan Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Charles and Van share their thoughts on the fifth and sixth episodes of ‘The Bear’ Season 2. They discuss why “Fishes” is one of the most exciting TV episodes of the year, and the murderers’ row of surprising cameos, Carmy’s love life, and the universal feelings of a chaotic holiday dinner. Along the way, the guys talk about the entertaining family dynamics within the Berzatto family and the intense showdown between Jon Bernthal and Bob Odenkirk’s characters. Hosts: Charles Holmes and Van Lathan Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Charles Holmes and Van Lathan share their thoughts on the third and fourth episodes of ‘The Bear’ Season 2. They discuss Sydney and Carmy’s complicated relationship and growing discontent for one another, why the emotional intimacy in “Honeydew” makes it a standout episode, and Will Poulter’s guest appearance. Along the way, the guys talk about the relationship between art and commerce and how greatness can be suffocating. Hosts: Charles Holmes and Van Lathan Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Charles Holmes and Van Lathan share their thoughts on the first two episodes of ‘The Bear’ Season 2. They discuss the return of the beloved FX series and what it needs to do in order to live up to its excellent predecessor, the different stakes that accompany opening a brand-new restaurant as opposed to maintaining one, and how the arcs of the show’s main trio of characters intertwine. Along the way, the guys explain the meaning behind Michelin stars and how the pursuit of them will move the story forward in Season 2. Hosts: Charles Holmes and Van Lathan Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna Robinson and Van Lathan are back to break down the final three episodes of ‘Black Mirror’ Season 6. They open by talking about series creator Charlie Brooker’s desire to expand the confines of what a ‘Black Mirror’ episode can be this season. Next, they discuss why “Mazey Day” fell so flat before sharing their personal bottom five episodes of the Netflix anthology. Later, they discuss the unbelievable twist ending of “Beyond the Sea,” the lengthy run time of “Demon 79,” as well as how these two episodes balance sci-fi, fantasy, character, and concept. Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Van Lathan Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna Robinson and Van Lathan are here to unpack the first two episodes of ‘Black Mirror’ Season 6. They briefly talk about the shows that came before it and that inspired the Netflix anthology series, as well as their thoughts on past seasons. Next, they share their personal top five ‘Black Mirror’ episodes before diving into what makes “Joan Is Awful” so compelling. Later, they discuss the overarching themes of the season, point out a handful of in-world Easter eggs, and break down series creator Charlie Brooker’s take on true crime in “Loch Henry.” Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Van Lathan Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sean Fennessey is joined by ‘Barry’ co-creator-star-director Bill Hader to break down the series finale. Host: Sean Fennessey Guest: Bill Hader Producers: Bobby Wagner and Stefan Anderson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sean Fennessey is joined by ‘Barry’ co-creator, star, and director Bill Hader to break down the sixth and seventh episodes of the fourth season. Host: Sean Fennessey Guest: Bill Hader Producers: Bobby Wagner and Stefan Anderson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Joanna Robinson is joined by Van Lathan to share their closing thoughts on ‘Succession’ Season 4 and the HBO series as a whole. They discuss Kendall’s fall from grace this season, how the show’s ending compares to ‘Hamlet,’ and the trickle-down effect of the internal strife among the Roy siblings. Along the way, they talk about how it places intimate family dynamics in conversation with the impact of American capitalism and why Lukas Matsson works as the ideal Waystar Royco successor. Later, Joanna is joined by multi-episode ‘Succession’ director and executive producer Mark Mylod to talk about shooting the final scene, the fate of the Roy siblings, the various filmmaking choices throughout the series finale, and much more. Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Van Lathan Guest: Mark Mylod Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill and Sean are back to break down the ‘Succession’ series finale. They discuss how the final episode stuck the landing and stayed true to the show’s themes, what went into Shiv’s last-minute decision to back out, and Kendall’s fate. Along the way, they talk about Tom and Lukas Matsson’s new partnership and the emptiness that comes with the Waystar crown. They close by unpacking the emotional moment between the Roy siblings as they watch an old video of Logan and the intense boardroom vote before giving their concluding thoughts on the beloved HBO series. Hosts: Bill Simmons and Sean Fennessey Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Wos and Rob start the pod by breaking down the individual performances of each of the kids during their the eulogies for Logan Roy and talk about the importance of letting stuff go when facing the finality of life. They then dive into their plot and character predictions for next week’s series finale and discuss how ‘Succession’ was so great at mirroring some of society's most critical real-world media events (16:34). Hosts: Wosny Lambre and Rob Mahoney Associate Producer: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mallory and Joanna break down the Season 2 finale of 'Yellowjackets.' They talk about everything that happens in the episode, from the crowning of a new antler queen in the 1996 timeline to a renewed ritual and a shocking death in present day. They also look ahead to where the story could go next season and beyond. Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Mallory Rubin Associate Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill, Sean, and Joanna are back to break down the penultimate episode of ‘Succession’ Season 4. They discuss Roman Roy’s disconcerting meltdown at Logan’s funeral, why “Church and State” is a masterpiece episode of television, and the indelible performances across the board. Along the way, they briefly talk about series creator Jesse Armstrong’s career before ‘Succession’ and why it might be the British writer’s magnum opus. They close by recapping the eulogies and noting Ken’s performative nature, before updating their predictions on who will be running Waystar Royco ahead of the series finale. Hosts: Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Joanna Robinson Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chris and Wos begin their conversation by talking about how humorous and political Episode 8 was compared to the rest of the series and breaking down the current state of mind of each of the siblings. They then examine Justin Kirk’s performance as Jeryd Mencken and draw parallels between the controversial character and some real-life individuals in American politics (10:41). After the break, they discuss Shiv’s plethora of strategic miscalculations, debate if Kendall will ultimately be wearing the crown at the end, and dissect the Episode 9 preview (17:32). Hosts: Chris Ryan and Wosny Lambre Associate Producer: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mallory and Joanna break down ‘Yellowjackets’ Season 2, Episode 8: "It Chooses." They start by examining Walter’s motives and where his story might go in the finale. Then, they discuss the confessions of Shauna and Misty in the sharing shack and the touching conversation between Jeff and Callie. They also talk about the dark and unusually quick decision that the girls made in the 1996 timeline, as well as the episode’s tragic ending. Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Mallory Rubin Associate Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill, Sean, and Joanna are back to break down the eighth episode of ‘Succession’ Season 4. They discuss the harrowing and accurate portrayal of a presidential election night, Roman’s true nature, and the terrifying impact that the Roy family has on the rest of the country. Along the way, they talk about Justin Kirk’s chilling performance as the far-right presidential candidate and the media’s influence on American politics. They close by unpacking a fan conspiracy theory about Lukas Matsson and updating their predictions on who will be running Waystar Royco at the end of the season. Hosts: Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Joanna Robinson Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chris and Wos immediately dive into the brutal balcony fight between Tom and Shiv and detail what it revealed about their relationship throughout the series. They then examine Kendall’s current state of affairs and speculate on what’s coming up in Episode 8 (9:31) before breaking down the entertaining Matsson-Kendall party showdown and drawing comparisons between ‘Succession’ and ‘The Wolf of Wall Street’ (17:55). Later, Joanna Robinson is joined by ‘Succession’ star Alexander Skarsgard to talk about playing a tech billionaire, how the HBO series tackles American politics, why he wanted to return for Season 4, and more (30:53). Hosts: Chris Ryan, Wosny Lambre, and Joanna Robinson Guest: Alexander Skarsgard Associate Producers: Chris Sutton and Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mallory and Joanna break down ‘Yellowjackets’ Season 2, Episode 7: "Burial." They get into everyone’s reaction to Lottie’s “intentional community,” Van’s tragic reveal, and the cops finding Adam’s body. They also discuss everything happening in the 1996 timeline, from Shauna unleashing her anger on Lottie to Misty’s fake search for Crystal. Then, of course they had to talk about Misty’s incredible musical vision. Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Mallory Rubin Associate Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sean Fennessey is joined by ‘Barry’ cocreator-director-star Bill Hader to break down the fifth episode of the season and why he felt like it was time to take a big swing in the narrative structure of the show. Host: Sean Fennessey Guest: Bill Hader Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill, Sean, and Joanna are back to break down the seventh episode of ‘Succession’ Season 4. They discuss the brutally honest confrontation between Shiv and Tom and whether the two can actually recover this time, the reveal of Matsson’s bogus subscriber numbers, and Kendall’s heated meetup with Rava. Along the way, they talk about the shifting power dynamics between the siblings and the chaos of the pre-election party. They close by updating their predictions on who will be running Waystar Royco at the end of the season and debating the effectiveness of the final season. Hosts: Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Joanna Robinson Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week Wos is joined by Rob Mahoney. Their discussion begins by examining the growing cracks in the Roy brothers’ alliance, praising Lukas Matsson’s role as a narrative chaos agent, and talking about some of their favorite scenes from Episode 6. After the break, they shine a light on the nuances of Tom and Shiv’s onscreen dynamics and dissect the Episode 7 preview (15:48). Host: Wosny Lambre Guest: Rob Mahoney Producers: Richie Bozek and Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Mallory and Joanna break down ‘Yellowjackets’ Season 2, Episode 6: "Qui." They break down everything from Callie and Shauna’s interrogation to Misty’s enjoyment of being “famous’ on Lottie’s compound. They also discuss Shauna, Van, and Tai finally joining the rest of the characters and the tragic ending to the episode. Hosts: Joanna Robinson and Mallory Rubin Associate Producer: Carlos Chiriboga Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sean Fennessey is joined by ‘Barry’ cocreator-director-star Bill Hader to break down the fourth episode of the season, including the various influences Hader drew from in stitching together the episode. Host: Sean Fennessey Guest: Bill Hader Producer: Bobby Wagner Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bill, Sean, and Joanna are back to break down the sixth episode of ‘Succession’ Season 4. They discuss how this episode effectively satirizes the tech and Hollywood industries, Kendall Roy in rare form onstage, and Lukas Matsson’s strategy to drive a wedge between the Roy siblings. Along the way, they talk about an all-time low for Roman and his destructive impulsiveness as well as Tom’s comeback. They close by questioning the legitimacy of the Living+ product launch and updating their predictions on who will be running Waystar Royco at the end of the season. Hosts: Bill Simmons, Sean Fennessey, and Joanna Robinson Producer: Kai Grady Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Chris and Wos start the pod by discussing how Kendall Roy’s transparent fronting was consistently being tested during the Scandinavian trip, and then give flowers to Alexander Skarsgard's excellent portrayal of Lukas Matsson. They later dive into banquet etiquette, the glaring culture clash between the European and American corporate factions, and how Matsson utilized his imposing presence throughout the retreat (6:04). Next, they attempt to decipher the intricate commentary and interactions between the major players, shine a light on the Tom and Shiv saga, and share their favorite one-liners from Episode 5 (16:48). Hosts: Chris Ryan and Wosny Lambre Associate Producer: Chris Sutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices