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The Nocturnists

The Nocturnists is an independent, not-for-profit medical storytelling organization working to humanize healthcare, transform medical culture, and improve clinician wellbeing.

Our mission is to humanize healthcare and foster joy, wonder, and curiosity among clinicians and patients alike.

208 episodesEN

Show overview

The Nocturnists has been publishing since 2017, and across the 9 years since has built a catalogue of 208 episodes. That works out to roughly 130 hours of audio in total. Releases follow a fortnightly cadence.

Episodes typically run thirty-five to sixty minutes — most land between 31 min and 46 min — though episode length varies meaningfully from one episode to the next. None of the episodes are flagged explicit by the publisher. It is catalogued as a EN-language Health & Fitness show.

There hasn’t been a new episode in the last ninety days; the most recent episode landed 4 months ago. The busiest year was 2023, with 35 episodes published. Published by Our mission is to humanize healthcare and foster joy, wonder, and curiosity among clinicians and patients alike..

Episodes
208
Running
2017–2026 · 9y
Median length
38 min
Cadence
Fortnightly

From the publisher

The Nocturnists is an award-winning medical storytelling podcast, hosted by physician Emily Silverman. We feature personal stories from frontline clinicians, conversations with healthcare-related authors and art-makers, and special podcast documentary series such as "Uncertainty in Medicine" , “Post-Roe America", and others. thenocturnists.substack.com

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Choosing Home with Tiffany Chan, OD

This week’s guest on The Nocturnists is optometrist Tiffany Chan, who told a story live onstage at an event produced by Dr. Rebecca George at the Sierra Valley Health Center in Nevada City, California, in 2025. Tiffany grew up in the Gold Rush town of Grass Valley, built a career in elite academic medicine at Johns Hopkins, and ultimately found her way back home after her mother’s sudden brain bleed transformed her sense of place and purpose.In our conversation, we talk about:* the tension between academic research and the pull of home* how her mother’s medical crises reshaped her understanding of healing* the intimacy and continuity of small-town, relationship-driven medicine* carrying forward her family’s and community’s cultural and caregiving legaciesThe Nevada City storytelling event was produced through our Nocturnists Satellites program, made possible by a generous grant from the California Health Care Foundation.Enjoy,Emily and The Nocturnists TeamFavorite moments from this week’s episodeThe Hamster Wheel“I had just been promoted at one of the top hospitals in the country. I was helping open satellite clinics. My mentor said I could apply for a grant and work toward a PhD. All of those things should have made me happy—but I just felt stuck on this academic hamster wheel, not knowing whether to stay or go.”A Mother Who Knew“She told the ER doctor it felt like an ice pick going through her head. They asked how much she’d had to drink, and she said ‘a whole bottle’—meaning water. They meant alcohol. She was right about the bleed. She just didn’t want to be.”Training for the Unprepared“All those years lecturing on visual field loss—I had no idea I was training for my own mother. Suddenly, everything I’d studied was right in front of me. I realized I had been preparing for this without knowing it.”Crying with Patients“For the first year after my mom died, I cried with a patient every single day. At first it felt unprofessional. Now I think of the exam room as a safe place for tears. Except when it messes up my dry eye samples.”Redefining Success“Leaving Johns Hopkins felt like losing part of my identity. But once I let myself get quiet and think about my values, new doors opened. I realized the doors don’t really close—they just change.”Enjoying The Nocturnists? Check out a new podcast from our friends at Unleashed: Redesigning Health CareUnleashed: Redesigning Health Care is a new podcast features guests are clinician-innovators who have changed care on the front lines. Their stories, their voices, their ingenuity. Learn more at unleashedpodcast.org.Thank you to our sponsorsGet in touch with usRecommend a guest, become a sponsor, or give us feedback. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenocturnists.substack.com

Jan 8, 20261h 14m

A Soft Place to Land with Frances Southwick, DO

What if falling in love meant literally falling down?In this week’s episode of The Nocturnists, physician and writer Frances Southwick shares a story that begins in rural Colorado with unexplained episodes of paralysis. First performed live in Nevada City, this episode is about what it’s like to live inside a body that responds to emotion in unexpected ways, and how a late diagnosis can reframe an entire life.Frances originally told this story at “Medicine Story,” a Nocturnists Satellites event hosted by Dr. Rebecca George of Sierra Valley Family Health in Nevada City in 2025, made possible by a generous grant from the California Health Care Foundation.Enjoy,Emily and The Nocturnists TeamFavorite moments from this week’s episodeLove and Collapse“I was holding my notebooks to my chest, about to tell her how I felt, when suddenly I felt weak—not a little weak, but colossally weak. My notebooks tumbled to the floor, and then I did too. I couldn’t move my fingers, my legs, not even my eyes. Annie was holding my hand, asking if I was okay, and I couldn’t answer.”The Beautiful Things“For most people with cataplexy, the strongest triggers are strong emotions. But for me, the strongest triggers are the beautiful things in life—children laughing, earnest love, and maybe telling a bunch of strangers the most tender moments of my life.”Diagnosis as Narrative Rupture“Learning about narcolepsy forced me to reexamine my whole life retroactively. Being queer, processing trauma, understanding my gender, and then finally understanding this diagnosis—each stage reshaped the story I’d been telling myself. I love doing it, but it’s also tragic, because I see how much suffering might have been avoided.”Writing a Rule Book for Survival“Cataplexy isn’t in BLS or ACLS training, so I wrote my own rule book. We travel with a transport chair. I wear a Medic Alert necklace. I’ve taught my coworkers what to do when it happens. Living with this means planning constantly—but it also means staying alive.”Medicine After Falling“I’ve helped diagnose patients with narcolepsy now, and I have deep empathy for people with neurological conditions—locked-in syndrome, brain injury, autism. There’s a kind of physical empathy that comes from having lived inside a nervous system that doesn’t behave the way it’s supposed to. In that way, it’s been a gift.”Enjoying The Nocturnists? Check out a new podcast from our friends at Unleashed: Redesigning Health CareUnleashed: Redesigning Health Care is a new podcast features guests are clinician-innovators who have changed care on the front lines. Their stories, their voices, their ingenuity. Learn more at unleashedpodcast.org.Thank you to our sponsorsGet in touch with usRecommend a guest, become a sponsor, or give us feedback. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenocturnists.substack.com

Dec 19, 20251h 1m

Medicine Beyond Medicine with Alicia Ashorn and Anthony Thigpen

This week on The Nocturnists, we hear from Alicia Ashorn and Anthony Thigpen, two community health workers with the Transitions Clinic Network who are redefining what care looks like beyond the hospital walls.Alicia and Anthony share their personal stories—Alicia’s journey through addiction and recovery, and Anthony’s path through grief, transformation, and reentry work—and how these experiences shape their care for people returning from incarceration. In our conversation, they explore the power of storytelling, the emotional complexity of supporting clients in crisis, and the wisdom required to balance compassion with boundaries. Through vivid anecdotes from the field, they illuminate the essential yet often unseen role of community health workers as bridges between the clinic and the community, offering trust, dignity, and hope to people navigating systems that routinely fail them.Alicia and Anthony originally told their stories at “Journeys of Healing: Stories of Resilience and Transformation,” a Nocturnists Satellites event hosted by Transitions Clinic Network in Los Angeles in 2025, made possible by a generous grant from the California Health Care Foundation.Enjoy,Emily and The Nocturnists TeamFavorite moments from this week’s episodeThe Chaos and the Calling“There’s no two days the same. I might be helping someone who’s hungry, someone who can’t get their medication, someone going to court, someone sleeping in their car. From the moment I open my eyes, my phone’s ringing. It’s busy—but this is what I’m called to do.” — AnthonySpeaking from the Heart“I had practiced my story for weeks, but when it came time to perform, I froze. Everything I’d written went out the window. So I just spoke from my heart. I still don’t remember everything I said, but I know it was real. And when people told me afterward they could relate—that’s when I understood the power of it.” — AliciaThe Gift and the Curse“Sometimes our clients look up to us so much they’re afraid to disappoint us. That’s the gift and the curse. They see us thriving, and they don’t want to let us down. But I tell them, I’m safe—come to me with the truth. We’ll get through it together.” — AnthonyFreedom in the Truth“This was the first job interview where I was proud to say I’d been to jail. For the first time, my past wasn’t something to hide—it was something that made me right for the job. It felt freeing.” — AliciaWe Are All We’ve Got“The resources are scarce, but we’ve learned to come together. The nonprofits, the community orgs—we’ve realized no one’s coming to save us but us. So we share what we have, we show up for each other, and somehow, we make it work.” — AnthonyEnjoying The Nocturnists? Check out a new podcast from our friends at Unleashed: Redesigning Health CareUnleashed: Redesigning Health Care is a new podcast features guests are clinician-innovators who have changed care on the front lines. Their stories, their voices, their ingenuity. Learn more at unleashedpodcast.org. Thank you to our sponsorsGet in touch with usRecommend a guest, become a sponsor, or give us feedback. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenocturnists.substack.com

Dec 12, 202553 min

Stories that Save Us with Sharon Fennix

This week, we’re joined by Sharon Fennix—a hotline coordinator with the Transitions Clinic Network (TCN), a community leader shaped by lived experience, and a storyteller whose creativity helped her survive 38 years of incarceration. Sharon’s journey has taken her from running fashion shows and directing original plays inside prison to becoming a trusted source of support for people navigating the vulnerable first steps of reentry. She brings wisdom, humor, honesty, and a remarkable ability to see the human story beneath the surface.In our conversation, Sharon reflects on how storytelling became her lifeline on the inside—how sewing costumes for fashion shows grew into writing and directing full productions that helped people connect across divides. She talks about the complexities of coming home after decades away, and how being met by someone who shared her lived experience helped her rebuild trust, autonomy, and a sense of possibility. Today, she offers that same grounding presence to others through the TCN hotline.Sharon also shares her experience co-producing “Journeys of Healing: Stories of Resilience and Transformation,” a Nocturnists Satellites event hosted by Transitions Clinic Network in Los Angeles in 2025, made possible by a generous grant from the California Health Care Foundation.Sharon’s story is full of courage, creativity, and hard-won wisdom. We hope you’ll listen and feel as inspired as we did.Enjoy,Emily and The Nocturnists TeamFavorite moments from this week’s episodeEach One Teach One“Inside, we used to say each one teach one. Go out, tell someone what you learned, and bring them back. That’s how I approached the parole board. I told them, I’m here to teach you who I am—not who I was. And when they said ‘found suitable,’ I hit the floor. Because I knew that storytelling had set me free.”Stories as Healing“Every show I did was someone’s story—women who’d been hurt, abandoned, trafficked, silenced. When they performed, they could finally see their lives from the outside. That’s what storytelling does—it shows you who you are and lets you start over.”The Power of Connection“When people call the hotline, I tell them right away—I did 38 years. I am you. You are my brother. You are my sister. That’s what makes the connection real. Because if you’ve been where I’ve been, you already know the language of survival.”Finding Faith in Art“I started to see that every costume I sewed, every scene I directed, was God showing me I was meant for more. The staff would stay late to watch my plays. Their kids came too. I realized: I was changing how people saw us.”Stories That Save Lives“Now I want to start a podcast called She Just Wants to Talk. Because that’s all it takes—talking. Listening. Meeting people where they are. I want others like me to know that their stories matter, that their voices can save someone else’s life.”Enjoying The Nocturnists? Check out a new podcast from our friends at Unleashed: Redesigning Health CareUnleashed: Redesigning Health Care is a new podcast features guests are clinician-innovators who have changed care on the front lines. Their stories, their voices, their ingenuity. Learn more at unleashedpodcast.org.Minneapolis: Upcoming call for storiesThe Center for the Art of Medicine will host their next live storytelling show, For the Moment, at the Parkway Theater on April 30, 2026. Their call for stories opens in early December, so if you or someone you know wants to share a story, reach out to [email protected] to join the email list and learn more.EXTENDED: Call for stories for Trust in Medicine seriesWe’re excited to announce our new podcast series, Trust in Medicine.This series explores how trust in healthcare is being built, broken, and reimagined in a rapidly changing world—where shifting guidelines, systemic inequities, and new digital voices all shape how patients and clinicians experience medicine today. Thank you to our sponsorsGet in touch with usRecommend a guest, become a sponsor, or give us feedback. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenocturnists.substack.com

Nov 28, 202551 min

The Nurse and the Nun with Linda Wick, DNP, APRN

Dear friends,Nurse practitioner Linda Wick has spent more than four decades in medicine, beginning her journey as a six-year-old watching nurses care for her injured brother. In today’s story, she recalls the early lessons that shaped her career—from the strict nuns who taught her at the College of St. Scholastica to the life-and-death responsibilities of the ICU and dialysis unit. When a medical emergency reunites her with one of her toughest teachers, Sister Helen, Linda is forced to confront the words that haunted her for years.We first heard Linda’s story on stage at Intersections, a live storytelling event produced by the Center for the Art of Medicine in Minneapolis in 2024 through our program, The Nocturnists Satellites. Below are a few excerpts from Linda’s story—on mentorship, mistakes, and the heart of nursing.Enjoy,Emily and The Nocturnists TeamFavorite moments from this week’s episodeA Six-Year-Old’s Awakening “I was six years old when my brother was in a terrible car accident. His legs were crushed between two cars, and he lay in traction for weeks. I remember the nurses—the ones who kept him from getting bedsores, who joked with him when he got cocky, and who comforted my mom. I watched them and thought, this is what I want to do. My nursing career started when I was six years old.”The Nuns of St. Scholastica “The College of St. Scholastica was run by Benedictine nuns—some like mothers, some like tyrants. Sister Agatha made us memorize the periodic table by heart. Sister Helen Claire taught skills and had no sense of humor. She once told me, ‘One day, you’re going to kill someone.’ I was twenty and thought she was just mean. I had no idea how long I’d remember those words.”Integrity When No One’s Watching “Sister Helen also said, ‘Integrity is what you do when nobody’s watching.’ Nursing gives you a thousand chances a day to prove that. You can make a mistake and hide it—and no one would ever know. I remember my first drug error. It wasn’t catastrophic, but I still called the physician. All I could think was: she was right. Integrity is what you do when nobody’s watching.”A Reunion in the Dialysis Unit “When I walked into the dialysis suite, there was blood everywhere. A patient’s fistula had ruptured. And then I saw her face. Sister Helen. My first thought was: Why does it have to be her? I went into ICU mode—calm, steady, focused. I told her she’d be okay, that the surgeon was good, that we’d take care of her. But inside I was thinking: Please don’t die on my watch.”Minneapolis: Upcoming call for storiesThe Center for the Art of Medicine will host their next live storytelling show, For the Moment, at the Parkway Theater on April 30, 2026. Their call for stories opens in early December, so if you or someone you know wants to share a story, reach out to [email protected] to join the email list and learn more.EXTENDED: Call for stories for Trust in Medicine seriesWe’re excited to announce our new podcast series, Trust in Medicine.This series explores how trust in healthcare is being built, broken, and reimagined in a rapidly changing world—where shifting guidelines, systemic inequities, and new digital voices all shape how patients and clinicians experience medicine today. Thank you to our sponsorsGet in touch with usRecommend a guest, become a sponsor, or give us feedback. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenocturnists.substack.com

Nov 17, 202538 min

Birth and Poetry with Doula Sarah Auna

This week, I’m joined by Sarah Auna, a birth doula whose story we first heard live on stage at Intersections, a live storytelling event produced by the Center for the Art of Medicine in Minneapolis in 2024 through our program, The Nocturnists Satellites.In her story, she takes us into a freestanding birth center, where chaplain Katie labors surrounded by her family, her midwives, and the steady encouragement of Sarah’s hands. The story captures what happens when the human body—guided by trust, safety, and love—takes over. It’s a reflection on lineage, nervous system regulation, and the quiet holiness of birth.Below are a few moments that stayed with me. Please enjoy!Enjoy,Emily and The Nocturnists TeamFavorite moments from this week’s episodeThe Sphincter Law “Humans have lots of sphincters in their bodies. Their eyes, their mouths, their cervix—all talking to each other like a walkie-talkie system. When the room feels safe, they open. When the room feels tense, they close. So oxytocin isn’t just about labor—it’s about love, safety, and belonging.”Lioness at the Birth Throne “Her curls have fallen out—tumbles of brown and gray ringlets. There’s not a scrap of clothing in sight. She stalks up to the silks, runs them between her hands, gets as low as she can, and bites down. The midwives’ headlamps tilt toward the floor. Her husband’s arms hold her like scaffolding. And then Jasper is there—all ten pounds of him.”A Birth that Healed a Family “Down the hill, Katie’s mother—an L&D charge nurse—is waiting, along with her two sisters, also charge nurses. Birth, for them, has always been a story of emergencies. But when Katie gave birth outside the hospital walls, their family’s story changed. It became one of joy.”Lioness Returns “Two years later, after a divorce and a pandemic, I walked into a bar for what I thought was a business meeting. I met Rachel—a musician, a single mom, a late-in-life bloomer like me. She told me she’d written a song called ‘Lioness.’ I laughed. That word had carried me through everything. And then I realized—I was falling in love.”The Song of Power “There’s nothing as dangerous as a woman who knows herself. There’s nothing as powerful as a woman who knows herself. That song made it safe for me to proceed on my journey of authenticity and love. It became my anthem, and tonight, it became the room’s.”Upcoming Satellites Live Storytelling EventsLost and Found: A Night of Physician StorytellingSunday, Nov 9 | The Box Riverside, Riverside CA | FreeHosted by the Riverside–San Bernardino Chapter of the California Academy of Family Physicians, this Nocturnists Satellites event brings together five local physicians to share stories of loss, discovery, and what it means to find one’s way in medicine.Free admission — RSVP required.UCSF Institute of Global Health Sciences: A Night of StorytellingWed Nov 12 | UCSF Institute of Global Health Sciences, San Francisco CA | FreeAs part of the UCSF Institute for Global Health Sciences’ 25th anniversary celebration, IGHS is hosting a special evening of live storytelling. Five members of the IGHS community will share personal narratives of challenge, connection, and humor, inviting us to reflect on the past and envision a more compassionate and inclusive future for global health. Free admission — RSVP required.EXTENDED: Call for stories for Trust in Medicine seriesWe’re excited to announce our new podcast series, Trust in Medicine.This series explores how trust in healthcare is being built, broken, and reimagined in a rapidly changing world—where shifting guidelines, systemic inequities, and new digital voices all shape how patients and clinicians experience medicine today. Thank you to our sponsorsGet in touch with usRecommend a guest, become a sponsor, or give us feedback. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenocturnists.substack.com

Nov 7, 202550 min

In This Body with Meghan Rothenberger, MD

This week, I’m joined by Dr. Meghan Rothenberger, an infectious disease doctor whose story we first heard live on stage at Intersections, a live storytelling event produced by the Center for the Art of Medicine in Minneapolis in 2024 through our program, The Nocturnists Satellites.Meghan grew up feeling uncertain and disconnected from her body. As a teenager, she struggled with an eating disorder, trying to make sense of the changes of adolescence and the cultural messages around her. Years later, as a medical student studying anatomy, she began to see the body not as something to control, but as something wondrous and worthy of care. In this conversation, Meghan talks with me about growing up, navigating an eating disorder, and finding healing through science, pregnancy, and the everyday miracle of being alive. Together, they explore how understanding the body can open the door to compassion, connection, and belonging within oneself.Enjoy,Emily and The Nocturnists TeamFavorite moments from this week’s episodeThe Poem That Stayed“The boy on the ski lift yelled, ‘Roses are red, violets are black—why is your chest as flat as your back?’ I laughed like it didn’t matter, but it did. That poem took root. It became a script I recited to myself for years—that my body was a problem to solve.”Control and Disappearing“When I started restricting food, it didn’t feel like punishment—it felt like control. I was good at disappearing. Praise poured in. I didn’t know then that disappearing was the thing I’d have to unlearn for the rest of my life.”The Body as Miracle“In anatomy lab, I looked down at this incredible architecture—nerves like threads of gold, arteries like rivers. I realized my body was doing all of this too. The sheer precision of it was awe-inspiring. It was the first time I thought: maybe my body isn’t ugly—it’s miraculous.”Motherhood as Reclamation“Pregnancy forced me to surrender control. My body was suddenly huge and capable and unapologetic. It was the first time I felt powerful in it, not despite it. I thought, this is what it means to inhabit a body instead of fight it.”The Miracle of Normal“Every day, I open a lab result and look straight at the red numbers—the ones that are off. But what about the ones in range? The ones that mean thousands of things went right today? We overlook the miracle of normal all the time.”Call for stories: Trust in Medicine seriesWe’re excited to announce our new podcast series, Trust in Medicine.This series explores how trust in healthcare is being built, broken, and reimagined in a rapidly changing world—where shifting guidelines, systemic inequities, and new digital voices all shape how patients and clinicians experience medicine today. Submissions close Oct 31 at 11:59pm Pacific.Upcoming Satellites Live Storytelling EventsLost and Found: A Night of Physician StorytellingSunday, Nov 9 | The Box Riverside, Riverside CA | FreeHosted by the Riverside–San Bernardino Chapter of the California Academy of Family Physicians, this Nocturnists Satellites event brings together five local physicians to share stories of loss, discovery, and what it means to find one’s way in medicine.Free admission — RSVP required.A Night of StorytellingWed Nov 12 | UCSF Institute of Global Health Sciences, San Francisco CA | FreeAs part of the UCSF Institute for Global Health Sciences’ 25th anniversary celebration, IGHS is hosting a special evening of live storytelling. Five members of the IGHS community will share personal narratives of challenge, connection, and humor, inviting us to reflect on the past and envision a more compassionate and inclusive future for global health. Free admission — RSVP required.Thank you to our sponsorsGet in touch with usRecommend a guest, become a sponsor, or give us feedback. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenocturnists.substack.com

Oct 31, 202547 min

The Chaplain and The Doctor with Chaplain Betty Clark & Jessica Zitter, MD

Today I’m joined by Chaplain Betty Clark, a hospital chaplain, community leader, and lifelong caregiver, and Dr. Jessica Zitter, a critical and palliative care physician, author of Extreme Measures, and filmmaker. Their friendship sits at the heart of the new documentary The Chaplain and the Doctor, born from years of working side by side at Oakland’s Highland Hospital. Together, they’ve built trust across lines of race, faith, and hierarchy, exploring what it really means to care for patients and for each other. In our conversation, Betty and Jessica reflect on the art of chaplaincy, the courage it takes to face bias and racism in medicine, the healing power of storytelling, and the idea of the “wounded healer.” What emerges is a moving portrait of friendship, honesty, and grace, an invitation to stay, as Betty put it, “blessed in the mess.”Warmly,Emily and The NocturnistsFavorite moments from this week’s episode“Look with your ears, listen with your eyes.”“I tell volunteer chaplains to look with your ears and listen with your eyes. You’re looking for things that may not mean what they seem. You might see a rosary hanging on the bed and think someone’s Catholic, but maybe it’s just decoration. Observation is sacred—it’s how we really hear people.” A Thunderbolt Realization“There are moments in life when you realize you’ve been thinking about something wrong. That’s what happened when I called Betty. I realized how much armor doctors wear—how scared we are, how defensive. Once you see that, it’s hard to unsee it. That’s when I opened up to her, and to friendship.” Language and Respect“There’s certain language you don’t use with African Americans. Don’t say ‘we’re going to wean you off this medicine’—that’s baby talk. Say, ‘we’ll lower your dose as your pain improves.’ Language matters. It’s about respect.”Bias at the Bedside“I’ve been that doctor at 3 a.m., thinking: oh, the patient in bed five with sickle cell, asking for more Dilaudid. Working with Betty made me realize—this is bias. It’s not about being a bad person. It’s about how the tired human brain works. But we have to see it to change it.” Blessed in the Mess“People ask how I’m doing, and I say: I’m blessed in the mess. Blessed in spite of the mess. Sometimes blessed because of the mess. However it goes, I’m blessed.” Join our free storytelling workshop: Trust in MedicineWe’re hosting a virtual workshop on October 29 from 5:30pm-7pm PT/8:30pm-10pm ET to introduce Trust in Medicine, our upcoming series. Come explore what it means to build, lose, and rediscover trust in healthcare, and learn how to share your own story for consideration on the podcast.Call for stories: Trust in Medicine seriesWe’re excited to announce our new podcast series, Trust in Medicine.This series explores how trust in healthcare is being built, broken, and reimagined in a rapidly changing world—where shifting guidelines, systemic inequities, and new digital voices all shape how patients and clinicians experience medicine today. Submit your story today. Uncertainty in Medicine is a 2025 Signal Award winner!We’re thrilled to share that The Nocturnists: Uncertainty in Medicine has won two Signal Awards! Visit the links below to view the official listing. Gold in Indie Podcast, Limited Series & SpecialsSilver in Health & Wellness, Limited Series & SpecialsThank you to our sponsorsGet in touch with usRecommend a guest, become a sponsor, or give us feedback. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenocturnists.substack.com

Oct 17, 202556 min

Questions Without Answers with Sarah Manguso

Dear Friends,What does it mean to write about illness in fragments? How can children’s questions reveal a kind of collective philosophy? On our 70th episode of Conversations, I speak with the writer Sarah Manguso, whose work moves effortlessly between memoir, aphorism, and essay.I first encountered Sarah’s writing in Two Kinds of Decay, her account of living with CIDP, a rare neurological disease. The book, composed of crystalline fragments, became a formative text for me as a young doctor-in-training. In this conversation, Sarah reflects on that early work, shares how her perspective has changed with time, and introduces her latest book Questions Without Answers, a collaboration with illustrator Liana Fink.Below you’ll find a few excerpts from our talk—on illness, writing, and the surprising wisdom of children’s voices.Warmly,Emily and The NocturnistsFavorite moments from this week’s episodeFrench Fries and Apheresis“You’re sitting there having the procedure, eating the french fries, and then you watch as the blood products actually get more greasy and fatty and filled with fat particles. They get cloudy and opaque. That always stayed with me.”Writing the First Memoir“As a younger person, writing before the memoir boom, I was asked more than once, what is a young person like you doing writing her memoirs? You’ve barely lived. And I said, it’s just a memoir of this one experience. I was only remembering one thing. In retrospect, I look at the book and think, this is just blissfully uncomplicated and clear, because that’s how my life felt at the time.”Children as Philosophy Machines“These little creatures are art machines. They’re philosophy machines. Almost supernatural, because they dwell in both worlds. My son’s mind was as interesting as the most interesting adults I knew, but with so little life experience that his questions were just bananas. When he asked, ‘When I was inside your body, did you know me? Did you want to meet me? Did I make the world?’ I thought: these are questions that deserve to be literature.”The Mystery of Necks and Chins“There were so many questions about necks and chins. One reader suggested it’s because children are always looking up at adults, so they see our necks and chins more. Or maybe it’s because a chin has a name but no obvious function. Or maybe it’s just something in the zeitgeist. One of my favorites was simply: How important are necks?”Stories of Resilience: An Evening of Live StorytellingOn October 8 & 9, the Center for Care Innovations is marking 25 years with their 2025 Safety Net Innovation Summit in Berkeley. The gathering kicks off with Wayfinders: An Evening of Live Storytelling on Resilience and Discovery — where health care workers from across the safety net will share journeys of uncertainty, renewal, and resilience, alongside live music, food, and community. Tickets are $99 for the storytelling evening, or $200 for the full two-day summit of workshops, panels, and conversations exploring how disruption can spark equity and connection.Call for Stories: Trust in Medicine SeriesWe’re excited to announce our new podcast series, Trust in Medicine.This series explores how trust in healthcare is being built, broken, and reimagined in a rapidly changing world—where shifting guidelines, systemic inequities, and new digital voices all shape how patients and clinicians experience medicine today. Submit your story today. Thank You Our SponsorsGet in touch with us.Recommend a guest, become a sponsor, or give us feedback. This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenocturnists.substack.com

Oct 6, 202545 min

BONUS - Managing Uncertainty: A Path to Better Patient Care

Today, we're releasing a special bonus episode featuring Emily and our "uncertainty correspondent" Alexa Miller, in conversation with the ABIM Foundation. Together, they reflect on the key insights from creating the Uncertainty in Medicine series. Thank you to the ABIM Foundation for hosting and recording this webinar. To sign up for a webinar in the future, visit buildingtrust.org/webinars. Find show notes, transcripts, and more at thenocturnists.org, and subscribe to our substack. The "Uncertainty in Medicine" series is generously funded by the ABIM Foundation, by the Josiah Macy Jr. Foundation, and the Gordon & Betty Moore Foundation. The Nocturnists is supported by The California Medical Association and donations from listeners like you. Host: Pamela Browner White Uncertainty Correspondent: Alexa Miller Series Illustrations by Eleni Debo This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenocturnists.substack.com

Jul 3, 202555 min

Uncertainty in Medicine: Denial and Acceptance

In the series finale, we explore a different type of uncertainty—the uncertainty that arises around the healthcare system itself. This episode follows Ed Stratton, a stage IV cancer patient who beat his cancer, only to be denied a life-saving liver transplant by his insurance provider. His daughter Erin, armed with industry knowledge and unshakable determination, teams up with a healthcare whistleblower and an AI-powered startup to wage an extraordinary battle for his life. We end with a quiet reflection on uncertainty, and what it means to keep going. Find show notes, transcripts, and more at thenocturnists.org, and subscribe to our substack. The "Uncertainty in Medicine" series is generously funded by the ABIM Foundation, by the Josiah Macy Jr. Foundation, and the Gordon & Betty Moore Foundation. The Nocturnists is supported by The California Medical Association and donations from listeners like you. Host: Emily Silverman, MD Uncertainty Correspondent: Alexa Miller Series Illustrations by Eleni Debo This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenocturnists.substack.com

Jun 26, 202544 min

Uncertainty in Medicine: The Good Life

What does it mean to live well in a world where nothing is certain — not in medicine, not in life? In this episode, we follow a high school teacher who asks his students to examine “the good life” through philosophy, Buddhism, and existential inquiry. We meet two women — a Buddhist monk and a disability rights advocate — who bring spiritual wisdom to the messy realities of illness, caregiving, and embodiment. Their stories, woven with reflections on impermanence, suffering, and compassion, offer a new way of thinking about uncertainty: not as something to fix, but as something to live with. Find show notes, transcripts, and more at thenocturnists.org, and subscribe to our substack. The "Uncertainty in Medicine" series is generously funded by the ABIM Foundation, by the Josiah Macy Jr. Foundation, and the Gordon & Betty Moore Foundation. The Nocturnists is supported by The California Medical Association and donations from listeners like you. Host: Emily Silverman, MD Uncertainty Correspondent: Alexa Miller Series Illustrations by Eleni Debo This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenocturnists.substack.com

Jun 19, 202538 min

Uncertainty in Medicine: How We Die

Today, we explore the paradox of mortality: something both certain and utterly unknowable. Through a haunting parable from Ursula K. Le Guin and stories from doctors and loved ones, we hear what happens when people try to plan for death—or avoid it. A daughter processes her mother’s calm decision to pursue assisted dying. A physician grapples with an ambiguous advance directive. A neurointensivist weighs the line between hope and false hope. What do we do when clear answers are impossible? And what happens when our attempts to control death only bring more suffering? And in the midst of all this uncertainty, how do we find peace? Find show notes, transcripts, and more at thenocturnists.org, and subscribe to our substack. The "Uncertainty in Medicine" series is generously funded by the ABIM Foundation, by the Josiah Macy Jr. Foundation, and the Gordon & Betty Moore Foundation. The Nocturnists is supported by The California Medical Association and donations from listeners like you. Host: Emily Silverman, MD Series Illustrations by Eleni Debo This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenocturnists.substack.com

Jun 12, 202540 min

Uncertainty in Medicine: Trusting the Process with Leila Simon Hayes

Today, we step inside the studio of visual artist Leila Simon Hayes, whose bold, shape-driven designs are born from a process rooted in imperfection, intuition, and trust. Through her story, we explore how Leila’s creative practice helped her navigate decades of chronic pain and medical dismissal, eventually leading her to healing not through certainty, but through listening—both to her art and her body. Her journey invites us to reconsider our own relationship with uncertainty, and to ask: what happens when we stop demanding answers and start embracing the unknown? Find show notes, transcripts, and more at thenocturnists.org, and subscribe to our substack. The "Uncertainty in Medicine" series is generously funded by the ABIM Foundation, by the Josiah Macy Jr. Foundation, and the Gordon & Betty Moore Foundation. The Nocturnists is supported by The California Medical Association and donations from listeners like you. Host: Emily Silverman, MD Uncertainty Correspondent: Alexa Miller Series Illustrations by Eleni Debo This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenocturnists.substack.com

Jun 5, 202521 min

Uncertainty in Medicine: Off Script

Today, we explore the hidden layers of communication in medicine—what gets said, what doesn’t, and how uncertainty lives not just in the clinical data, but in the space between people. From a telemedicine encounter with a stubbornly independent patient in the Santa Cruz mountains, to a deeply personal story of navigating breast cancer risk, and finally to the ICU, where one physician is trying to revolutionize how teams talk about the unknown, this episode invites listeners into the gray zones of uncertainty and the doctor-patient relationship. Find show notes, transcripts, and more at thenocturnists.org, and subscribe to our substack. The "Uncertainty in Medicine" series is generously funded by the ABIM Foundation, by the Josiah Macy Jr. Foundation, and the Gordon & Betty Moore Foundation. The Nocturnists is supported by The California Medical Association and donations from listeners like you. Host: Emily Silverman, MD Uncertainty Correspondent: Alexa Miller Series Illustrations by Eleni Debo This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenocturnists.substack.com

May 29, 202536 min

Uncertainty in Medicine: Precision in Motion with Chris Aiken

Today, we step into the dance studio with improvisational dance artist Chris Aiken, whose work lives at the intersection of uncertainty, movement, and presence. With insights that resonate far beyond the dance studio, Chris explores how attention, poetic instinct, and even failure are essential tools for responding creatively under pressure—much like an ER doctor at a moment of crisis. Find show notes, transcripts, and more at thenocturnists.org, and subscribe to our substack. The "Uncertainty in Medicine" series is generously funded by the ABIM Foundation, by the Josiah Macy Jr. Foundation, and the Gordon & Betty Moore Foundation. The Nocturnists is supported by The California Medical Association and donations from listeners like you. Host: Emily Silverman, MD Uncertainty Correspondent: Alexa Miller Series Illustrations by Eleni Debo This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenocturnists.substack.com

May 22, 202529 min

Uncertainty in Medicine: A Matter of Time

This week, we explore how time and uncertainty are intertwined in the practice of medicine. A toxicologist faces a split-second decision in the ER that could mean life or death for a young patient. A woman with chronic ankle pain spends years searching for answers as dozens of doctors offer snap diagnoses and failed treatments. A rheumatologist navigates the slow, murky waters of autoimmune disease, where diagnosis and treatment often unfold over months or years. And a couple reckons with the long-term implications of a rare and unpredictable heart condition. Through these stories, we see how uncertainty can stretch time out endlessly or collapse it into a single moment and how, in medicine, working with time rather than fighting against it is often the only way forward. Find show notes, transcripts, and more at thenocturnists.org, and subscribe to our substack. The "Uncertainty in Medicine" series is generously funded by the ABIM Foundation, by the Josiah Macy Jr. Foundation, and the Gordon & Betty Moore Foundation. The Nocturnists is supported by The California Medical Association and donations from listeners like you. Host: Emily Silverman, MD Uncertainty Correspondent: Alexa Miller Series Illustrations by Eleni Debo This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenocturnists.substack.com

May 15, 202533 min

Uncertainty in Medicine: Navigating Uncertainty with Admiral Mike LeFever

When a 7.6 magnitude earthquake leveled entire villages in Pakistan, retired U.S. Navy Admiral Mike LeFever was thrust into the heart of the disaster with no playbook and a simple directive: provide humanitarian aid and strengthen U.S.-Pakistan relations. In this episode, LeFever recounts what it was like to lead a massive relief effort in the chaotic aftermath—coordinating aid, rebuilding schools, and navigating diplomacy in a country where his presence was politically charged. As his mission evolved from emergency response to long-term relationship-building, including during the fallout of the Bin Laden raid, LeFever shares hard-won lessons on leadership, humility, and decision-making in extreme uncertainty. Find show notes, transcripts, and more at thenocturnists.org, and subscribe to our substack. The "Uncertainty in Medicine" series is generously funded by the ABIM Foundation, by the Josiah Macy Jr. Foundation, and the Gordon & Betty Moore Foundation. The Nocturnists is supported by The California Medical Association and donations from listeners like you. Host: Emily Silverman, MD Uncertainty Correspondent: Alexa Miller Series Illustrations by Eleni Debo This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenocturnists.substack.com

May 8, 202518 min

Uncertainty in Medicine: Leaps of Faith

What happens when doctors have to make life-or-death decisions in an evidence-free zone — and patients are left to navigate the unknown? In episode 5 of “Uncertainty in Medicine", we bring you three gripping, real-life stories: a neurosurgeon weighing impossible risks in the operating room, a palliative care doctor facing a young man’s quiet resolve to die, and a patient whose long-awaited kidney transplant vanishes in a single phone call. These are high-stakes moments where instinct takes over, control slips away, and the only way forward is a leap of faith. Find show notes, transcripts, and more at thenocturnists.org, and subscribe to our substack. The "Uncertainty in Medicine" series is generously funded by the ABIM Foundation, by the Josiah Macy Jr. Foundation, and the Gordon & Betty Moore Foundation. The Nocturnists is supported by The California Medical Association and donations from listeners like you. This episode is sponsored by a new podcast that fans of the Nocturnists are sure to love. Unleashed: Redesigning Health Care features clinician-innovators who have changed care on the front lines. Their stories, their voices, their ingenuity. Learn more at unleashedpodcast.org. Host: Emily Silverman, MD Uncertainty Correspondent: Alexa Miller Series Illustrations by Eleni Debo This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenocturnists.substack.com

May 1, 202528 min

Uncertainty in Medicine: Root Causes with Ronald Wyatt, MD

What does uncertainty in medicine have to do with Chernobyl? According to patient safety officer Dr. Ron Wyatt, more than we might think. In the fourth episode of our "Uncertainty in Medicine" series, he draws a chilling connection between one of history’s worst nuclear disasters and the quiet, preventable tragedies that unfold in hospitals every day. In both cases, the warning signs were there. People sensed something was wrong. But no one spoke up—or if they did, no one listened. Through his work at the Joint Commission, Dr. Wyatt has spent decades investigating sentinel events, the most serious and avoidable medical errors. What he’s found is deeply unsettling: the root causes rarely come down to lack of knowledge. They come from cultures where fear, hierarchy, and silence override curiosity and caution. And time and again, he’s seen how racism and bias magnify that silence. Here, Dr. Wyatt reveals what truly makes healthcare safe—and what has to change to protect every patient, equally. Find show notes, transcripts, and more at thenocturnists.org, and subscribe to our substack. The "Uncertainty in Medicine" series is generously funded by the ABIM Foundation, by the Josiah Macy Jr. Foundation, and the Gordon & Betty Moore Foundation. The Nocturnists is supported by The California Medical Association and donations from listeners like you. This episode is sponsored by a new podcast that fans of the Nocturnists are sure to love. Unleashed: Redesigning Health Care features clinician-innovators who have changed care on the front lines. Their stories, their voices, their ingenuity. Learn more at unleashedpodcast.org. Host: Emily Silverman, MD Uncertainty Correspondent: Alexa Miller Series Illustrations by Eleni Debo This is a public episode. If you would like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit thenocturnists.substack.com

Apr 24, 202521 min
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