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Sarah Longwell is back and ready to go! They dive into Trump’s accelerating authoritarian moves, from masked cops snatching people off the streets to purging the Federal Reserve, while Gavin Newsom trolls Trump with meme-style politics that energize Democrats but raise doubts about his 2028 chances. Meanwhile, the DNC looks out of touch, bogged down in land acknowledgments and bad messaging, leaving many wondering if the party is ready to stand up to Trump’s power grab.

JVL, Tim Miller, and special guest Andrew Egger get into the rise of Trump’s cult cops, the right’s open flirtation with Caesarism, and whether Newsom’s new “mean streak” is a weapon or a trap for Democrats.Head to https://greenchef.com/50NEXTLEVEL and use code 50NEXTLEVEL to get 50% off your first month, then 20% off for two months--with free shipping!Go to https://zbiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL and use NEXTLEVEL at checkout for 15% off any first time orders of ZBiotics probiotics.Get 60% off your first Smalls order PLUS free shipping when you head to https://Smalls.com/THENEXTLEVEL.Go to https://GetSoul.com and use the promo code THENEXTLEVEL for 30% off.

Sarah and JVL defend the honor of Baby Boomer protestors and debate the merits of anti-fascist sandwich throwing before hunkering down for a loooong conversation about whether Trumpism is a perversion of conservatism, or a fulfillment of it.

Sarah, Tim and JVL are BACK! Trump turns a late-night DC fight into an excuse for a full-blown National Guard takeover — complete with a TV personality running the cops. The gang tackles this absurd “Big Balls” pretext, Trump’s upcoming Alaska summit with Putin (and the Billy Joel geography lesson), his bizarre choice of an unqualified weirdo to cook the jobs numbers, and what it all means for the economy, authoritarian crackdowns, and the next elections. Plus: Sherrod Brown’s uphill Ohio battle, and why Democrats need real butch he-men running for office.

Bill Kristol fills in for JVL during this extra super secret edition of the Secret Podcast. Trump’s economy is cracking under its own weight—grocery prices, tariffs, and a sputtering job market are chipping away at his support. Could these numbers spell trouble for 2026?

Go to https://zbiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL and use NEXTLEVEL at checkout for 15% off any first time orders of ZBiotics probiotics.Tim, Sarah, and Sam talk Trump’s continuing Epstein nightmare, the GOP’s redistricting chaos in Texas, and RFK Jr.‘s disastrous anti-vax decisions. Plus, Megyn Kelly picks a fight with Sarah, Acosta creeps everyone out by interviewing an AI ghost, and conservatives suddenly think they made human breasts cool again.

Sarah and JVL give you the mega-show you’ve been waiting for: Trump’s $200 million presidential palace ballroom! Tariff TACOs! Kamala’s book! Hunter Biden! Vegas, Baby! All this and Sydney Sweeney, too. It’s a super-sized go-home show as JVL heads out for vacation.

Sarah Longwell, Tim Miller and JVL discuss the recent ICE job postings. These listings describe positions for “Deportation Officer”, "Criminal Investigator" and "General Attorney". They suggest this is part of a broader strategy to staff a loyalty-vetted enforcement agency with little oversight or transparency. Then back to Epstein, who “stole” a 16-year-old girl from a Mar-a-Lago Spa, to work for him. They examine the deeply unsettling context of this story and how Trump appears to recount it without moral concern. They connect it to a broader pattern of normalization of sexual misconduct and the erosion of outrage in political culture. Finally, the story of Luke Farritor, a young man who used AI to help decipher text from a scroll. Then went on to work for DOGE and who is to blame for his work. Get 10% off your first month of therapy with BetterHelp at BetterHelp.com/THENEXTLEVEL. #sponsored

Sarah and JVL talk about Hulk Hogan, MAGA’s coming pivot on Ghislaine Maxwell, and Derek Huffman, the MAGA dad who joined Putin’s war on Ukraine. And the new Superman movie, too.It’s a doozy.This is a special preview of an episode that’s JUST for paid Bulwark subscribers. If you’d like to hear the full episode, you can subscribe via thebulwark.com, YouTube, or right through Apple Podcasts!

Celebrate the chaos with Sarah, Tim and JVL! Trump panics over Epstein revelations and demands Barack Obama’s arrest for “treason,” sending MAGA into conspiracy-theory overdrive. Republicans literally flee Congress to avoid tough votes, Jerome Powell’s Fed independence hangs by a thread, and Gen-Z conservatives openly embrace fascism as their new ideology. Meanwhile, Trump’s Oval Office gets a garish, gold-plated, dictator-inspired makeover. Get $35 off your first box of wild-caught, sustainable seafood—delivered right to your door. Go to: https://www.wildalaskan.com/NEXTLEVEL. Get 60% off your first order with Smalls at https://Smalls.com/THENEXTLEVEL Get 30% off your first order with Soul at https://GetSoul.com and use the code THENEXTLEVEL. Go to https://zbiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL and use NEXTLEVEL at checkout for 15% off any first time orders of ZBiotics probiotics.

Sarah and JVL break down the WSJ Trump-Epstein story. Sarah has some rage and JVL has a brand new conspiracy theory involving JD Vance.This is a special preview of an episode that's JUST for paid Bulwark subscribers. If you'd like to hear the full episode, you can subscribe via thebulwark.com, YouTube, or right through Apple Podcasts!

Tim Miller, Sarah Longwell and JVL debate whether Trump’s reaction to the Epstein files, calling it a “hoax” and lashing out at former supporters, marks a turning point. They explore whether this could crack the deep trust his base has in him, especially conspiracy-driven voters who saw him as the one to expose elites.They also argue Democrats should lean into the issue, pushing for hearings and accountability. While Trump’s health and appearance come up briefly, the real question is whether this controversy could shake his hold on crank-aligned voters who once saw him as their truth-teller.Sponsors:Get free shipping and 365 day returns from Quince at https://Quince.com/thenextlevelGet 50% off your first order with Green Chef at https://GreenChef.com/50NEXTLEVELGet 15% off OneSkin with the code THENEXTLEVEL at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod #sponsored

Trump fumbles through a chaotic cabinet meeting, announcing new tariffs and cluelessness to the Ukraine weapons pause. Meanwhile, MAGA world erupts over the Epstein files, Grok turns into a bigoted chatbot, and ICE has transformed into Trump’s personal police force. Special guest Sam Stein joins Sarah and JVL to discuss yet another wild week.show notes Will Sommer’s False Flag “MAGA World’s Mega Meltdown Over Latest Epstein Flop” JVL’s Triad “The American Police State Is Here”Go to https://zbiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL and use NEXTLEVEL at checkout for 15% off any first time orders of ZBiotics probiotics. Get 20% off plus free shipping at BollandBranch.com/NextLevelFor 15% off your order and a special gift, head to Pacagen.com/THENEXTLEVEL and use code THENEXTLEVEL.

Tim Miller, Sarah Longwell, and JVL break down the latest news. On today’s show, we will be covering the House vote on Trump’s fugly bill, ICE expansion, and the cowards at Paramount. Get 10% off your first month with BetterHelp at https://BetterHelp.com/THENEXTLEVEL. To get 6 bottles of wine for $39.99, head to NakedWines.com/THENEXTLEVEL and use code THENEXTLEVEL for both the code AND PASSWORD. Get 40% off your first box with Hungryroot at https://Hungryroot.com/THENEXTLEVEL, promo code THENEXTLEVEL.

Watch Tim Miller, Sarah Longwell, and JVL break down the latest news. On today's show, we will be covering Mitch McConnell's threats, the Iran war, and the New York City mayoral primary results.For a limited time only, get 60% off your first order PLUS shipping when you head to https://Smalls.com and use code THENEXTLEVELGo to https://zbiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL and use NEXTLEVEL at checkout for 15% off any first time orders of ZBiotics probiotics.Bring on the good vibes and treat yourself to Soul today! Go to https://GetSoul.com and use the code THENEXTLEVEL for 30% off your order.

Tim, Sarah, and JVL discuss Trump continuing to TACO causing increasingly slipping support, more Democrats getting arrested over immigration policies, the mixed feedback from Tim’s interview with NYC mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani on FYPod, and Tucker Carlson and Ted Cruz’s heated conversation. Show Notes Arrest of NYC Comptroller and mayoral candidate Brad Lander Zohran Mamdani: FYPod Crossover Tulsi’s Bizarre and Creepy Nuclear War PSA Get $35 off your first box of wild-caught, sustainable seafood—delivered right to your door. Go to: https://www.wildalaskan.com/NEXTLEVEL For an extra 25% off your order and a special gift, head to https://Pacagen.com/THENEXTLEVEL To get 6 bottles of wine for $39.99, head to NakedWines.com/THENEXTLEVEL and use code THENEXTLEVEL for both the code AND PASSWORD

The gang discuss Trump’s extreme response to protests in L.A., his unsettling rally to a cheering military crowd, and the upcoming birthday parade. Also: Elon Musk’s 3am apology, RFK Jr. dissolving the vaccine board, and Mikie Sherrill’s primary win.Go to https://zbiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL and use NEXTLEVEL at checkout for 15% off any first time orders of ZBiotics probiotics.Get 15% off OneSkin with the code THENEXTLEVEL at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod

Tim Miller, Sarah Longwell and JVL discuss the Elon Musk and Donald Trump breakup thats amplifying throughout all of MAGA, how the primaries for New Jersey governor and New York mayor could shape the future of both parties, Joni Ernst’s comments on everyone dying show how much MAGA is losing their minds, and Curtis Yarvin’s dangerous influence.For an extra 25% off your order and a special gift, head to Pacagen.com/THENEXTLEVEL

Live from Chicago, Tim Miller, Sarah Longwell, and JVL break down the latest wave of Trump pardons, the rising authoritarian behavior from GOP leaders, and the Democratic Party’s identity crisis. Also, who is the worst (and best?) cabinet member so far, and what comes next.To get 6 bottles of wine for $39.99, head to NakedWines.com/THENEXTLEVEL and use code THENEXTLEVEL for both the code AND PASSWORD.For a limited time only, get 35% off plus an additional 50% off your first order when you head to Smalls.com and use code THENEXTLEVEL. Go to https://zbiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL and use NEXTLEVEL at checkout for 15% off any first time orders of ZBiotics probiotics.

The gang discusses the incompetence of Kristi Noem on constitutional matters, Bernie Sanders’ views on the Democratic party, Joe Biden’s campaign mismanagement, the Republican tax bill, and Tesla’s business struggles. Listen now to the NPR Politics Podcast, only from NPR – wherever you get podcasts. Go to Hungryroot.com/THENEXTLEVEL to get 40% off your first box and a free item of your choice for life. Get your summer savings and shop premium wireless plans at MINTMOBILE.com/thenextlevel Go to wildalaskan.com/NEXTLEVEL for $35 off your first box of premium, wild-caught seafood.

The gang discuss the extensive corruption of President Trump's Middle East business dealings, Republicans' focus on state and local tax deductions while letting democracy burn, and the latest revelations on former President Biden old age in office.Go to zbiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL to learn more and get 15% off your first order when you use NEXTLEVEL at checkout.Go to Quince.com/thenextlevel for free shipping on your order and three hundred and sixty-five -day returns.Go to GetSoul.com and use the code THENEXTLEVEL for 30% off.

The gang talk the latest on President Trump’s obsession with owning Canada and Greenland, new Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney’s based first meeting in the White House, the administrations cruel immigration agenda, and DOGE’s complete failure.Get 15% off OneSkin with the code THENEXTLEVEL at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpodGo to Quince.com/thenextlevel for free shipping on your order and three hundred and sixty-five -day returns.

The gang bask in the utterly abysmal first quarter of President Trump’s second presidency. Plus, they react to Gretchen Whitmer and Hakeem Jefferies not understanding the authoritarian moment we’re in, and advise Democrats how they can capitalize on just how unpopular Trump will be come 2028. To get 6 bottles of wine for $39.99, head to NakedWines.com/THENEXTLEVEL and use code THENEXTLEVEL for both the code AND PASSWORD. Go to Quince.com/thenextlevel for free shipping on your order and three hundred and sixty-five-day returns

The gang break down the latest developments in the market, and how it’s sent the Trump administration into panic mode. Plus, Trump loses grounds in new immigration polling, Tesla might be unsalvageable, and Pete Buttigieg takes on the manosphere.Buy tickets to our live shows in Chicago (May 28) and Nashville (May 29) here: https://www.thebulwark.com/p/chicago-and-nashville-here-we-comeListen now to the NPR Politics Podcast, only from NPR – wherever you get podcasts.Get 15% off OneSkin with the code THENEXTLEVEL at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpodGot to Hungryroot.com/THENEXTLEVEL, code THENEXTLEVEL to get 40% off your first box and a free item of your choice for life.Shop data plans at MINTMOBILE.com/THENEXTLEVEL

The gang dive into the constitutional crisis as President Donald Trump refuses to return Kilmar Abrego Garcia, against the ruling of SCOTUS, Democrats planning a trip to El Salvador to demand the Maryland man's release, Harvard University's refusal to fold to Trump's defunding threats, and Elon Musk's continually disturbing mission to impregnate different women.

Trump has no idea what he’s doing, and America’s financial standing in the world, as well as the security that comes with it, is forever diminished.Note: Today’s episode of TNL was recorded before President Trump rescinded some of his tariffs, which the GOP then claimed was part of his brilliant plan all along. We think this commentary on the chaos, economic uncertainty and long term consequences of Trump’s tariffs still stands. Enjoy!Get PrivacyHawk and run your FREE privacy scan here https://go.privacyhawk.com/nextlevel Use code LEVEL20 (iOS) / level20 (Android) for full access to the Platinum Suite: $1M ID theft recovery insurance, dark web alerts, sensitive info monitoring, and much more—all at a special price!For a limited time only, get 35% off plus an additional 50% off your first order when you head to Smalls.com and use code THENEXTLEVEL. Upgrade your sleep during Boll & Branch’s Annual Spring Event! For a limited time get 20% off at BollAndBranch.com/nextlevel.

The gang discuss President Donald Trump's ridiculous "Liberation Day" declaration and the foolish harm his tariffs will cause, the results of yesterday's Wisconsin election, Sen. Cory Booker's new filibuster record, and more!

Sam Stein fills in for Sarah to talk the continued fallout of the Trump administration’s signal group chat, with newly released texts detailing the “attack plans.” Plus, Tesla’s brand disintegration continues and Vice President JD Vance gets roped into accompanying his wife, Usha, to Greenland.Go to Hungryroot.com/THENEXTLEVEL and use code THENEXTLEVEL to get 40% off your first box and a free item of your choice for life.

The gang discuss President Trump’s bonkers interview with Laura Ingraham, his obsession with making Canada the 51st state, his call with Vladimir Putin, Federal Trade Commission firings, and how Sen. Chuck Schumer is not meeting the moment as Minority Leader.Plus, what happens when Bad JVL meets Bad Tim & Sarah?For 50% off your first order, head to Smalls.com and use code THENEXTLEVELGo to GreenChef.com/nextlevelfree and use code nextlevelfree to get started with FREE Salads for two months plus 50% off your first boxHead to GetSoul.com and use code THENEXTLEVEL for 30% off your order.

The gang's all in person this week! They talk the state of the stock market, President Trump's expected invocation of the Alien Enemies Act, the arrest of Columbia University protestor Mahmoud Khalil, Gov. Gavin Newsom's new podcast, Pete Buttigieg announcing he won't run for Michigan's open Senate seat, and more!Shop plans at MINTMOBILE.com/thenextlevelStart with 50% off your EveryPlate first box with code nextlevel50 at EVERYPLATE.com/podcast

The gang break down the administration’s shameful abandonment of Ukraine, and speak to how our allies can no longer trust the United StatesThey also discuss Trump’s joint address to Congress, Sen .Elissa Slotkin’s response, Gavin Newsom’s new podcast, whether tariffs will actually stick around this time, and Sen. Lindsey Graham “joking” about Trump 2028.Get tickets for our live Phoenix show here: https://www.thebulwark.com/p/bulwark-eventsMake laundry day the best day of the week! Get 20% off your entire order @LaundrySauce with code THENEXTLEVEL at https://laundrysauce.com/THENEXTLEVEL #laundrysaucepodGet 15% off OneSkin with the code THENEXTLEVEL at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod

The gang break down the bomb threat they experience at the Principles First Summit. They also discuss the White House announcing they’ll decide which journalists are in the press pool, the access Elon Musk now has to the government’s data, the House GOP’s budget resolution, and how some MAGA voters are angry DOGE eliminated their jobs.Eat smart with Factor. Get started at FACTORMEALS.com/FACTORPODCAST and use code FACTORPODCAST to get 50% off your first box plus free shippingGet 15% off, plus free shipping on your first set of Boll n Branch sheets at BollAndBranch.com/nextlevel

The United States is one of the bad guys now, with Donald Trump publicly calling Ukrainian President Zelenskyy a dictator. The gang react to the idea of America as a hero in the world shattering before their eyes.Plus, Elon Musk does a joint interview with Trump on Hannity and The Free Press’s Bari Weiss pisses her MAGA following off by lightly criticizing far-right.Thrive all year with clean, easy meals from Green Chef. Go to GreenChef.com/nextlevelfree and use code nextlevelfree to get started with FREE Salads for two months plus 50% off your first box.

The gang react the startling deterioration of our government under Elon Musk’s shadow presidency, and question what hold Musk has over Donald Trump that’s preventing Trump’s ego from firing him. When will the negative impact of DOGE be felt my the electorate that put Trump back into office? And will they just blame Democrats?Plus, inflation is up again under Trump and the White House goes after the Associated Press for continuing to refer to the Gulf of Mexico by its name.Get up to 10 FREE meals and a free high protein item for life at HelloFresh.com/thenextlevel10fm

We’re two and a half weeks into the second Trump administration, and it already feels like a century has passed. All of Donald Trump’s nominees are getting confirmed, and Elon Musk is taking a chainsaw to our government institutions. The gang rip apart Trump, Musk, the GOP, the bad billionaires, and the “Uncommitted” movement in this super-sized episode!Get 15% off OneSkin with the code THENEXTLEVEL at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod

The gang went live Wednesday night to discuss RFK Jr.’s Senate hearing, the farce that was the questioning from Republicans, Trump’s funding freeze debacle, the first White House press briefing, and whether any of these things matter one bit.Eat smart with Factor. Get started at FACTORMEALS.com.thenextlevel50off and use code thenextlevel50off to get 50% off your first box plus free shipping

Donald Trump has been sworn in as the 47th president of the United States. The gang react to his first three days, the resigned vibe from Democrats, the capitulation from Republicans over Trump’s sweeping Jan. 6 pardons, and Trump’s flurry of executive orders, which some (Tim) might describe as a bukkake. For 30% off your order, head to GetSoul.com and use code THENEXTLEVEL. Go to Quince.com/thenextlevel for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order! Get up to 10 FREE meals and a free high protein item for life at HelloFresh.com/thenextlevel10fm

The gang discuss the hearings for Pam Bondi and Pete Hegseth and the changes of "norms" in Joe Biden's final week in office, as Zuckerberg, Bezos, and Musk prepare for Donald Trump's inauguration that Michelle Obama has decided to skip, plus the TikTok ban that could really happen.Head to FACTORMEALS.com/thenextlevel50off and use code thenextlevel50off to get 50% off your first box plus free shipping.

The gang discuss Aileen Cannon continuing to be a completely stooge for Donald Trump by ordering Merrick Garland not to release Jack Smith’s report on the incoming president. They also unpack President Joe Biden’s latest interview and Trump’s insane desires to bring Canada and Greenland into the United States.Get 15% off, plus free shipping on your first set of sheets at BollAndBranch.com/nextlevelGet 15% off OneSkin with the code THENEXTLEVEL at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpodRhone’s premium performance clothing is made to move you. Use code THENEXTLEVEL to save 20% at https://www.rhone.com/THENEXTLEVELGo to GreenChef.com/nextlevelfree and use code nextlevelfree to get started with FREE salads for two months plus 50% off your first box!

The gang discuss the GOP’s plans to investigate Liz Cheney, Elon Musk potentially causing a government shutdown before Donald Trump’s new term has even begun, and Bret Stephens renouncing the Never Trump title. Head to FACTORMEALS.com/50thenextlevel and use code 50thenextlevel to get 50% off your first box plus free shipping. Go to greenchef.com/nextlevel50 and use code nextlevel50 for 50% off your first box plus 20% off your next two months! Head to GetSoul.com and use code THENEXTLEVEL for 30% off your order.

Sarah and JVL have a loooong talk about RFK and vaccines and collateral damage. One of them might be a heartless monster and you’ll never guess which one! Then they do a full after-action report on Sarah’s DealBook panel. You do not want to miss this part. It’s solid gold. And we’d like your thoughts on Sarah’s big question. Discuss in the comments. Want to hear the whole thing? Full, ad-free episodes of the Secret Podcast are available exclusively to Bulwark+ members. Sign up here: https://www.thebulwark.com/subscribe

The gang talk Sen. Joni Ernst folding to MAGA on Pete Hegseth’s nomination, Donald Trump already acting like president, the shocking amount of support for alleged murderer Luigi Mangione, and Kimberly Guilfoyle getting offered Ambassador to Greece amid her breakup with Donald Trump Jr. Dealbook Summit audio Visit GhostBed.com/thenextlevel and use code THENEXTLEVEL now to claim your 50% off discount. Go to lumen.me/THENEXTLEVEL to get 15% off your Lumen. Head to FACTORMEALS.com/50thenextlevel and use code 50thenextlevel to get 50% off your first box plus free shipping.

Sarah joins Tim and JVL fresh off a heated panel at the Dealbook Summit with Kevin McCarthy, Kellyanne Conway, Anita Dunn and more. The gang also discuss Pete Hegseth’s potentially doomed nomination for Secretary of Defense, the possibility of Ron DeSantis replacing him, Lara Trump becoming the senator for Florida, and Donald Trump’s concepts of a plan to end the war in Ukraine. Get 25% off, plus free shipping on your first set of sheets, at BollAndBranch.com/nextlevel Get 15% off OneSkin with the code THENEXTLEVEL at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod Head to ZBiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL and use the code NEXTLEVEL at checkout for 15% off.

Donald Trump won by aligning with cranks like RFK Jr. Should the Dems follow suit to win? Plus, Rep. Nancy Mace’s bullying of her new trans-coworker and the latest ridiculous picks to join the Trump administration.Sam Stein fills in for Sarah on today’s episode!Head to http://lumen.me/THENEXTLEVEL for 15% off your purchase.Head to GetSoul.com and use code THENEXTLEVEL for 35% off your order now until December 3rd.Get 15% off OneSkin with the code THENEXTLEVEL at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpod

The gang discuss Donald Trump's "joke" to the House GOP that it's possible he'll run for a third term. Plus, Trump's insane Cabinet nominees, the mistakes of Merrick Garland and Elon Musk's weird, and potentially doomed, relationship with Trump.Go to greenchef.com/nextlevel50 and use code nextlevel50 for 50% off your first box plus 20% off your next two months!For 25% off, plus free shipping on your first set of sheets, head to BollAndBranch.com/nextlevelUpgrade your closet with Rhone and use THENEXTLEVEL to save 20% athttps://www.rhone.com/THENEXTLEVEL

It’s been three days since Donald Trump beat Vice President Kamala Harris to be our 47th president. The gang attempts to start to unravel the question of what the Democratic Party must do to win working class voters, and debate what type of insanity we should root for from a second Trump term.Get 15% off OneSkin with the code THENEXTLEVEL at https://www.oneskin.co/ #oneskinpodGo to zbiotics.com/NEXTLEVEL to learn more and get 15% off your first order when you use NEXTLEVEL at checkoutGet 10 FREE meals at HelloFresh.com/freethenextlevel

Sarah and JVL have a lot of thoughts about Trump’s threat against Liz Cheney, Larry Hogan’s latest, and the refusal of some leaders to get off the sidelines. Also about J-Lo and Hustlers. Which is a wildly under-rated movie. Want to hear the whole thing? Full, ad-free episodes of the Secret Podcast are available exclusively to Bulwark+ members. Sign up here: https://www.thebulwark.com/subscribe

The gang assemble for their last official episode before the election on Tuesday. They give their final thoughts on where the race is at, alongside discussion on the closing arguments of both candidates and President Joe Biden’s gaffe last night.This holiday season, give the gift of Soul. Head to GetSoul.com and use code THENEXTLEVEL for 30% off your order.

Sarah and JVL look at the polling and the vibes and come to slightly different conclusions. Then Sarah lets it rip about John Kelly. (Again.) And then JVL goes to the Dark Place. It’s a real journey. Want to hear the whole thing? Full, ad-free episodes of the Secret Podcast are available exclusively to Bulwark+ members. Sign up here: https://www.thebulwark.com/subscribe

The gang reacts to the revelations that Gen. John Kelly, Donald Trump’s former chief of staff during his administration, believe the former president is a fascist and admired Adolf Hitler’s generals.This should be the October surprise, but the media seems incapable of treating it with the time and gravity the news requires. Meanwhile, Trump’s defenders claim Kelly to be a liar or minimize the disqualifying nature of the general’s testimony.Upgrade your closet with Rhone and use THENEXTLEVEL to save 20% athttps://www.rhone.com/THENEXTLEVELGo to greenchef.com/nextlevel50 and use code nextlevel50 for 50% off your first box plus 20% off your next two months!