The NAVigator

Mark Asaro, director of investments for Noble Wealth Management, says that investors who are staring down low interest rates that have them questioning the classic, traditional 4 percent 'safe withdrawal rule' should be looking at closed-end funds to bolster returns and to act as a paycheck-replacement, providing steady income that -- when applied tactically -- should weather changing inflation and interest-rate conditions.

Mike Taggart, founder and chief executive at Taggart Fund Intelligence -- a new analytical firm being built to cover closed-end funds -- says that individual investors and financial advisers should move away from their obsession over discounts in closed-end funds, noting that total return and other factors drive long-term satisfaction with a closed-end fund investment. He discusses the factors he is focusing on -- and that he thinks investors should be looking for -- as well as the need for independent fundamental analysis of closed-end offerings that he feels the industry currently lacks.

John Cole Scott, chief investment officer at Closed-End Fund Advisors and the executive chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, says that with strong recent performance, 'getting big fat discounts continues to be hard,' but he says that shouldn't dampen enthusiasm for closed-end funds and business development companies. He cites opportunities in energy, real assets and real estate funds and notes that narrower discounts make this a time to consider non-listed funds, which tend to be less levered and volatile in the choppy market conditions we're likely to see moving forward.

Tom Dinsmore, chairman and chief executive at Dinsmore Capital Management, which manages the 50-year-old Bancroft Fund and several other issues that specialize in convertible securities, says that investors looking to increase yields with a 'bond-like equity' will be hard-pressed to create a portfolio of currently available convertible issues that do the job. He notes that many new convertible issues -- coming from health-care and technology companies -- require the underlying common stock to do well, and don't carry big coupons, so that investors should use them as a lower-volatility equity alternative.

Michael Spatacco, director at Bancroft Capital, discusses how ESG investing -- for environmental, social and governmental factors taken into consideration -- is starting to gain a foothold in the closed-end funds with the opening of a new issue from Nuveen that he has been an adviser to. He expects the trend to continue, as the closed-end fund space more fully reflects the rest of the world, which has seen tremendous movement of monies into 'social investments.'

With many experts questioning the validity of classic investment allocations, Patrick Galley of RiverNorth Capital Management discusses how closed-end funds fit into the standard 60-40 stocks/fixed-income mix as a way for investors to get more from the bond side of the equation without actually changing their broad asset plan. He also discusses how current market times -- with the threat of rising interest rates and inflation mixing with lingering discounts from the market meltdown of early 2020 make for interesting opportunities now as both a closed-end fund investor and for fund sponsors.

Keith Ashton, portfolio manager for the Ares Dynamic Credit Allocation Fund (ticker ARDC), talks about why he likes collateralized loan obligations and other credits as a way of adding low-duration, high-yielding income instruments to a portfolio, and discusses what investors should expect from adding these alternative credits for the income-generating side of their portfolio.

Michael Naughton, chief operating officer for U.S. retail at Lord, Abbett and Co., says the interval-fund structure -- which limits shareholder redemptions -- has given managers of the Lord Abbett Credit Opportunities Fund the ability to pursue the firm's best ideas, including illiquid investments, and discusses how the liquidity risk of interval funds can balance out other risks faced by fixed-income investors in today's challenging interest-rate environment.

Craig Packer, co-founder, Owl Rock Capital Partners and chief executive officer at Owl Rock Capital Corp., says that business-development companies held up well through the pandemic -- noting that his own company has been making loans at rates that are twice the cost of the financing -- with better-than-expected performance which should only get better as the economy re-opens. He also discusses the impact of interest rates and inflation and more on lending activity, and whether booming activities in SPACs -- special purpose acquisition companies -- is having any impact or fallout on BDCs.

John Miller, head of municipals at Nuveen, says that the combination of the American Recovery Act and the progress towards recovery and the growing vaccination numbers, have made it so that state and local governments that had been crying poverty are now seeing a boom. He notes that municipal tax revenues have held up better than expected through the pandemic, and now are poised to increase; coupled with stimulus monies, he believes conditions are right for improved credit quality which should help muni bonds thrive for at least the next few years.

Will Rhind of GraniteShares talks about balancing high yields against risk in the GraniteShares High-Income Pass Through Securities ETF, a fund that invests entirely in business development companies and closed-end funds. Rhind discusses why the fund currently favors closed-end funds slightly, how he believes it is miscategorized by the 'stack-and-rank services' like Morningstar and talks about a few investments and why they pass muster with the fund's methodology.

Nick Holmes, portfolio manager for the Tortoise Essential Assets Income fund, discusses how investing in water infrastructure is mostly lumped in with other infrastructure plays, which he considers a mistake, noting that water is viewed differently as an asset class around the world than it is in the United States. He explains why his fund gets involved in private investments, how it was hit harder than most closed-end funds during the market';s 2020 decline and why he thinks both the fund and water assets are poised for success moving forward.

Paul Wick, long-time manager of the Columbia Seligman Communication and Information Fund -- one of the most successful sector funds in history -- talks for the first time about managing a closed-end fund, Columbia Seligman Premium Technology Growth, and discusses the similarities and differences between the two, and whether he views the closed-end fund as a chance to get a bargain price on his flagship fund. One similarity between the funds: annualized average returns north of 15 percent since inception.

Neil Azous, chief investment officer at Rareview Capital, says that 10-year real US interest rates -- which have been on the rise for the last few weeks -- are 'the most impending danger' to investor portfolios. He says the market is now acting as if the pandemic is nearly over and says that investors need to be thinking of the big economic themes beyond the re-opening, including the changing rate picture.

Maury Fertig, chief investment officer at Relative Value Partners, discusses the factors he considers when picking closed-end funds to add to client portfolios, and how those criteria are impacted by current market conditions that have seen closed-end issues get whipsawed by the market over the last year. Fertig appeared on The NAVigator last week, but this appearance in the Money Life Market Call serves as a special bonus episode/follow-up with much more of his closed-end fund insight.

Maury Fertig, chief investment officer at Relative Value Partners, says the market's rebound from a year ago has made it harder to find closed-end issues worth buying and holding now, but he says there are selected opportunities still worth pursuing. He suggested that floating-rate funds and credit funds will continue to perform well, and that closed-end funds still offer value from a discount level, but with discounts narrowing, investors should look at cutting back. He also discusses closed-end funds as an alternative source of yield, why he never buys at a premium and more.

Bill Pekowitz, portfolio manager for the Aberdeen Global Premier Properties Fund, says that lockdowns during the coronavirus pandemic hit brick-and-mortar retail, hotels, office space and the urban apartment sectors, but boosted cell towers, warehouses, industrial data centers and more. Now, with economic recovery, he expects some troubled areas to rebound and suggests balancing real estate investments between those that are peaking with those that are recovering.

Wendy Huang, business development manager for primary markets at the London Stock Exchange Group, discusses the differences between American markets and closed-end funds and those in England and explains why fund sponsors and businesses are finding it particularly lucrative and timely to take their issues overseas now.

Anne Kritzmire, an independent closed-end fund trustee, explains how the role of directors differs in closed-end funds compared to traditional mutual funds, where boards are known for passing everything management's way. She explains the ways in which independent directors in closed-end funds have a more active hand in oversight on key factors like leverage, involvement in alternative and illiquid investments, dividend payout policies and interactions with activist shareholders, and how that involvement is crucial in protecting investors.

Michael Roomberg, manager of the Miller/Howard High Income Equity Fund, says that the end of election uncertainty -- and sustainable fiscal policy that provides a tailwind for domestic consumption -- and the development of vaccines for coronavirus fueled a rally in value stocks at the end of 2020 that should carry through 2020, especially as investors get more excited about stocks and broaden their interest beyond the few names that drove the market a year ago. While value has struggled as an asset class since the turn of the century, Roomberg notes that it outperformed growth stocks for the majority of the 1990s, and he thinks that, pos-pandemic, high-dividend value stocks are set up for that kind of run of outperformance again.

William Costigan, managing director at Guggenheim Partners and senior member of the active fixed-income team, says that with real interest rates low and nominal yields on Treasuries at or below zero, investors must look to creatively expand their bond exposure. He calls for investors to be more creative, more thoughtful and do more homework' -- looking at, for example, alternative credits -- if they are going to be satisfied with returns in the current environment.

Larry Antonatos, portfolio manager overseeing real asset strategies at Brookfield Asset Management, says that infrastructure investments will benefit in 2021 from the political changes in Washington that may spur additional government investments, as well as the end of the pandemic, which should lead to economic expansion. He says that real assets -- and infrastructure in particular -- will benefit from job creation in the short run and long-term GDP growth down the line to pick up performance in the year ahead and beyond.

John Cole Scott of Closed-End Fund Advisors, the founding chairman of the Active Investment Company Alliance, compares 2020 to unusual years from the past, looks at the best and worst performing investment areas for closed-end funds from this year and looks ahead at the opportunities ahead in 2021.

Cheryl Pate, portfolio manager for Angel Oak Capital, says that banks took steps to shore up their balance sheets and now are sitting on excess reserves, which should boost earnings in the latter half of 2021. Coupled with a positive picture on interest rates, inflation and government oversight, she says valuations are poised to show gains next year, although she notes that she has a slight preference for owning financial debt versus equity in the year ahead.

Andrew Kerai, senior credit strategist and portfolio manager at RiverNorth Capital Management, says that investors looking to improve fixed income returns should consider middle-market corporate credits and other issues in the private credit market, but he notes that investors should be attuned to downside risks, noting that they make more with a manager who does better avoiding defaults than with one who chases higher yield but takes on more risk.

James Clark, client portfolio manager at Nuveen Asset Management, says that real assets and infrastructure investments -- normally consistent, defensive investments -- have seen those appealing characteristics under attack because of the pandemic shutdowns, but he noted that Covid-19 tended to accelerate trends that were in place rather than disrupting those movements. With the development of a vaccine,he expects pricing to firm up as uncertainty starts to melt away -- 'the worst case scenario has been taken off the table for a lot of folks' -- but for those positive trends to continue, particularly in an area like industrial real estate.

Jonathan Browne, director of closed-end fund research at Robinson Capital, says that investors should be looking to closed-end funds to help solve the yield challenges they face today, when low interest rates have challenged the traditional 60-40 portfolio and when bonds have performed in lock-step with the stock market. While the industry keeps developing new and different investment solutions, Browne notes that closed-end funds are a more simple half-step toward alternatives that can be just as effective.