The Gist

On The Gist, Instagram and FOMO. In the interview, they say president Trump has killed comedy. But in Larry Wilmore's book, comedy isn't responsible for leading us to the "right" kind of outrage or political enlightenment. Its role—get this—is to make us laugh. "Activists should engage in activism, and I always feel like that's why we have these words that are different," Wilmore says. "Comedy exists to be comic." Wilmore is the host of the Ringer podcast Black on the Air and the co-creator of HBO's Insecure. In the Spiel, Uber's IPO and Trump's tariffs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, magic mushrooms afoot! In the interview, every Avengers movie has an argument at its core. In the Marvel franchise's finale—Avengers: Endgame—director Anthony Russo says it's "that you can change destiny, but at the same time, you can't always change it on your terms." He and his co-director (and brother) Joe Russo weigh in on that, the term "fan service," and the fact that in the comics, Captain America is a dud. In the Spiel, Mike answers questions from fellow Slate staffers—some serious, some not—in rapid succession. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, maybe Trump wants to be impeached? Then it's a change of format as all the former and current producers of The Gist gather together for a roundtable. Founding producer Andrea Silenzi discusses the origins of The Gist, past producers Chris Berube and Mary Wilson talk about the thrills of covering the presidential debates, and current producers Pierre Bienaimé and Daniel Schroeder join in to dish on what it's like working with Mike. In the Spiel, Mike reevaluates his mistakes from the past five years. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, president Trump's mixes and matches idioms all the time, but his rhetoric doesn't really suffer from it. In the interview, 2014 was full of retro vibes and repeats, with hits like "Happy," "All About That Bass," and "Blank Space" echoing older styles and Eminem's "Monster" recreating his past chart-topping collaboration with Rihanna. Chris Molanphy is on the show yet again to walk us through the big tracks from the year The Gist was born. Molanphy is the host of Hit Parade and the writer of Slate's "Why Is This Song No. 1?" column. In the Spiel, it's a second interview with evolutionary biologist Patricia Brennan. The topic? Turkey genitals, of course. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, do we need primary debates? We're starting our fifth anniversary celebration week with a look back at the past. Radiolab's Jad Abumrad was a guest on the first episode of The Gist so he's back to reflect on the last five years, how podcasting has changed, and the impact of the medium. In the Spiel, podcasts aren't perfect, but they are progress. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, is it unusual that Attorney General William Barr didn't look at the underlying evidence covered in the Mueller report? In the interview, Tuca & Bertie is the new series from Lisa Hanawalt, best know for her art direction on Bojack Horseman. She's here to discuss the origins of her new series, all the jokes she fits into the background, and how she figured out if China exists in her show's universe. Tuca & Bertie is available on Netflix. In the Spiel, Stephen Moore on the Federal Reserve Board. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, how many people have declared they're running for president? In the interview, breaking a record doesn't always mean going home a winner. Adam Levin learned that in his recent run on Jeopardy!, where he banked more money than any runner-up in the history of the game show (thus walking away with just $2,000). He tells Mike, a fellow Jeopardy! alumnus, about his tactics—and the fact that he has no regrets. Levin is sports information director of Brandeis University's athletics program. In the Spiel, is Barr a chicken? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, the latest in the Mueller report saga. In the interview, the Kentucky Derby is this Saturday, but this year, the horse racing event is overshadowed by high fatality rates among equines in California's Santa Anita Park: 23 have died in just three months. Peter Fornatale follows the races closely, and sees mismanagement on both the park's track and in the appeasement measures that followed: "[It] sort of reminded me of the classic politician's trick of 'you don't like the conversation, okay, let's change the conversation.'" In the Spiel, Bill Barr, hair-splitter general. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, the New Yorker's profile of John Bolton. In the interview, coders have gone from a band of misfits to rulers of Silicon Valley. Clive Thompson is out with a book about that evolution, which examines the reckless product design stoked by the pursuit of hockey-stick revenue growth and a lack of workplace diversity—whether across gender, socio-economic class, or even age. "The ageism is where some of the trouble begins because you don't have people around that can tell you 'oh, we went through this rodeo 15 years ago,'" Thompson says. He is the author of Coders: The Making of a New Tribe and the Remaking of the World. In the Spiel, Stacey Abrams isn't running for Senate in Georgia. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, the news media is getting better at demoting the names of America's mass shooters. That's a good thing, even as the internet's darker corners do the opposite. In the interview, comedian Josh Gondelman is from Boston, but he often comes across as Minnesota nice. Can a comedian get laughs without being a bit of an asshole? Gondelman discusses that, his latest comedy album—Dancing on a Weeknight—and why writing for Showtime's Desus & Mero involves shedding fewer tears than does scripting Last Week Tonight. In the Spiel, if you're going to enjoy this Avengers: Endgame parody, you'll have to contend with a spoiler or two. Cool? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, the 2020 candidates' proposals shouldn't be compared to some progressive ideal, but to some of the stuff we spend taxpayer dollars on now. In the interview, the pace of technological change means we might only be catching onto malicious disinformation techniques after it's too late to counter them. Still, scientific inquiry is useful in telling us how manipulation works. In The Misinformation Age: How False Beliefs Spread, authors Cailin O'Connor and James Owen Weatherall argue that social dynamics often trump intellectual ones in determining what we fall for, including bogus information peddled by anti-vaxxers. "You, in the right social context, would hold a lot of false beliefs too," says O'Connor. In the Spiel, putting the Anita Hill hearings in context. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, the difference between one million and one billion. In the interview, Nathaniel Rich is here to discuss his new book Losing Earth about the decade of 1979-1989 and why they are so important to understanding America's political history of climate change and the current state of denialism we find ourselves in. In the Spiel, is impeachment worth it? If we don't will Trump get reelected? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, whether he's on the most electable part of the political spectrum or not, Joe Biden is about to go through the wringer. In the interview, winning a major sports championship is a thrill few ever get to know. But what happens when you keep stacking trophies, like the NBA's Golden State Warriors have done in recent years? The Athletic's Ethan Strauss covers the team, and wonders "if the Warriors suffer from, shall we call it, winner's ennui." Strauss is the host of the House of Strauss podcast and wrote a chapter on the Warriors in Mike Pesca's book, Upon Further Review: The Greatest What-Ifs in Sports History. In the Spiel, it's one from the vault on HBO's The Jinx, which, it's now come to light, included some misleading editing. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, Kate Smith's rendition of "God Bless America." In the interview, comedian and filmmaker Lake Bell is here to discuss her new tv series Bless This Mess. About a newlywed couple who move from New York City to Nebraska, it's a play on the fish-out-of-water trope, but packed with more jokes than you know what to do with. Bless This Mess airs on Tuesdays at 9:30pm on ABC. In the Spiel, the questions at the CNN town halls weren't all that great. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, Rudy Giuliani was a big, loud, and busy distraction this past Sunday. In the interview, it's a round of "Is That Bullshit?" with Maria Konnikova. In the hot seat: the humble egg. A recent study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association reports that eggs can increase your chances of heart disease. But is this study all it's cracked up to be? The nutritional science has gone back and forth on the health benefits and risks of this breakfast food. Maria boils it down. In the Spiel, dragons roast their victims—and we roast Elizabeth Warren's Game of Thrones critique. This episode is brought to you by Simplisafe. Start protecting your home today at SimpliSafe.com/gist. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, sick children and dead ducks are pretty convincing. In the interview, South African comedian Loyiso Gola is here to talk about his stand up special on Netflix, what it's like performing in different countries, and why talking about the economy is so difficult for everyday people. Gola is performing at the Soho Playhouse until April 21, 2019. In the Spiel, time for an early Antentwig. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, Trump's fundamental misreading of politics. In the interview, Garrett Graff's afternoon was as busy as any journalist's, picking through the redacted Mueller report released by the Department of Justice. There's something new on every page, Graff says, including the Trump campaign's awareness of Russian efforts against Hillary Clinton—and its expectation to benefit from them politically. Graff wrote a biography of Robert Mueller. His latest ebook is Mueller's War. In the Spiel, Mueller did a great job, and if this report came out in a different climate it'd actually lead to real consequences. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, the redacted Mueller report as an exercise in Zen. In the interview, economist Tyler Cowen is just about the smartest person in Mike Pesca's podcast feed. He's on the Gist to answer rapid fire questions on the college admissions scandal, what the likes of Herman Cain would mean for the Fed, and the virtues of big American enterprises. That last topic is the subject of Cowen's new book, Big Business: A Love Letter to an American Anti-Hero. His podcast is Conversations with Tyler. In the Spiel, oh how we forget the gulf that lies between lived experience and public recollection. This episode is brought to you by Constant Contact. For a free trial, sign up today at constantcontact.com/GIST. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, sparing a thought for Notre Dame… and how Americans pronounce it. In the interview, Politico's Anna Palmer on what Trump is doing to America as he navigates a government he doesn't understand. Her book, co-written with Jake Sherman, is The Hill to Die On: The Battle for Congress and the Future of Trump's America. In the Spiel, moms are not off limits for quotes—about their children—published by the New York Times. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, wait, what did I miss? In the interview, Democratic candidates for the presidency recently flew to Iowa for a forum on agriculture to answer some questions. And asking them was Storm Lake Times editor Art Cullen, who knows a thing or two about corporate agribusiness and its impact on Iowans, the food Americans everywhere eat, and Chinese pork companies. Cullen is the author of Storm Lake: A Chronicle of Change, Resilience, and Hope from a Heartland Newspaper, and was previously on The Gist to discuss that book as well. In the Spiel, Rep. Ilan Omar and our selfish president. This episode is brought to you by Simplisafe. Start protecting your home today at SimpliSafe.com/gist. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, two popes is one pope too many. In the interview, songs like "The Sign" and "I'll Make Love to You" dominated the charts in 1994, but they weren't all that emblematic of what was happening in music that year. Chris Molanphy has ideas as to why, and also opines on why there were so few number one singles that year—and why was Lisa Loeb considered alternative rock? Molanphy has answers, and is the host of the Hit Parade podcast. He also writes Slate's "Why Is This Song No. 1?" column. In the Spiel, Rep. Katie Porter's viral moment—taking Jamie Dimon to task for his huge salary—is a little dishonest. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, the political parties of Israel. In the interview, Jean McConville's murder in 1972—when The Troubles were at their bloodiest—sparked what few deaths did in Northern Ireland: a reckoning. The New Yorker's Patrick Radden Keefe joins us to give context to McConville's death, from the various factions at war back then to the country's incomplete reconciliation process and oddly rehabilitated politicians. Keefe is the author of Say Nothing: A True Story of Murder and Memory in Northern Ireland. In the Spiel, Medicare for all isn't as cheap as Bernie wants us to believe. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, Candance Owens isn't digging herself out of this ahistorical, Hitler-relativizing hole. In the interview, Ian Chillag is back with another season of Everything Is Alive, a podcast where he interviews the everyday objects around us that we don't think of. Chioke I'Anson is here too because he played a grain of sand with a surprising amount of philosophy packed in (he's a philosopher himself). Is sand more Kantian or Heideggerian? And what's it like to think as a collective? In the Spiel, president Trump's public insult of Sen. Mazie Hirono rumbles on. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, Trump's latest campaign video is wild. In the interview, Scotland's Daniel Sloss churns out comedy specials at an almost alarming rate, completing his tenth at age 28. He's here to talk about circumcision, Brexit, and why the left is doomed to eternally shoot itself in the foot. Sloss will be back in the United States in June of 2019, and his specials "Dark" & "Jigsaw" are on Netflix. In the Spiel, instant replay is a contentious part of refereeing, particularly at a championship. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The worst part about the Trump administration's high turnover? Every cabinet member is worse than the last. In the interview, Grigori Rasputin bent the ear of the last Russian tsar, manipulating affairs of state behind the scenes as he saw fit. But how did a man like him rise to such power? And what about his spiritual successors like Phil Spector or Tom Brady's trainer? Amos Barshad, author of No One Man Should Have All That Power: How Rasputins Manipulate the World, has our ear. In the Spiel, what does Joe Biden stand to gain from apologizing—and shouldn't a (likely) contender for president think in those terms? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, like every week in Trump's America, this has been a wasted one. In the interview, Maria Konnikova is back for another round of "Is That Bullshit?" She talks chiropractors, whether or not cracking your back and neck is helpful, and what strokes have to do with it. Then, Mike's own chiropractor, Jason Fidler, steps in to offer some adjustments to the conversation. In the Spiel, Mike offers up a Lobstar challenge. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, Mueller's report (or much of it) is bound to go public. In the interview, Wright Thompson has his place on the Mount Rushmore of sports writers, and his signature form is the profile. Tiger Woods, Lionel Messi, Michael Jordan and the like are fascinating in their relationship to fame, but also in their ordinary flaws. "On some level these stories are all about exploring whether or not there is even such a thing as free will," Thompson says. "I'm fascinated by the way things in our past continue to exert gravitational pull on us now." Wright's new book, a collection of his past work, is The Cost of These Dreams: Sports Stories and Other Serious Business. In the Spiel, a list of all the non-scandals hitting the Democratic 2020 candidates so far. Join Slate Plus! Members get bonus segments, exclusive member-only podcasts, and more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, Trump should avoid healthcare. In the interview, Lori Gottlieb is a journalist and a therapist, and she's here to discuss her new book Maybe You Should Talk to Someone: A Therapist, Her Therapist, and Our Lives Revealed, why she became a therapist, how to deal with patients who've Googled you, and why therapists need therapy too. In the Spiel, the Joe Biden crisis isn't a crisis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, calming down about Trump's bombast. In the interview, Nicholas Christakis is here to discuss his new book Blueprint: The Evolutionary Origins of a Good Society, how he studied the progression of goodness throughout human history, the way healthy communities evolve, and why shipwrecks were so important to his research. In the Spiel, the problem with microaggressions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, Joe Biden's nose nuzzle. In the interview, Don Winslow's new book The Border is the final part of his trilogy on drug cartels. He's here today to discuss the work, how it's been twenty years in the making, and the difficulty of trying to get things right. In the Spiel, Betsy DeVos' indefensible Special Olympics funding cuts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, the next wave of start-ups should be like the tech companies we have now, but with a conscience. In the interview, filmmaker Anthony Maras is more wedded to a theme—people in extremis—than a form, and his latest is a thriller based on true events. Hotel Mumbai follows a band of diverse survivors holed up in the Taj, one of the targets in India's 2008 terrorist attacks. "Something kind of magical happened, which is all these barriers that usually divide people evaporated." In the Spiel, Donald Trump: bullshitter or shitposter? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, Mike Pesca, in true hipster fashion, laments the end of Wow Air. In the interview, much of the news media was guilty of hyping up the knockout blow that Mueller's report would deliver president Trump. But a few journalists on the left were always skeptical of the investigation's origins and potential. Among them is Nation contributor Aaron Maté, who saw in the Mueller probe a distraction from the Democratic Party's failure in 2016—and from the stories that really matter. In the Spiel, Rep. Adam Schiff comes out swinging. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, Boeing is in a tight spot. In the interview, the boxing match between Mike Tyson and Buster Douglas was one for the ages. Everyone so expected Tyson to win that people weren't even placing bets until the odds were 42 to 1. In the new 30 for 30 film 42 to 1, Gist guest Jeremy Schaap (and Ben Houser) explore this shocking upset and how the fight changed boxing and these fighters' lives. In the Spiel, if we're going to build a wall, how about the one between church and state? Looking at you, Pennsylvania. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, the latest gridlock facing the Green New Deal should clue in its backers in Congress. In the interview, Huwe Burton was 16 years old when detectives browbeat him into a false confession of murder. He spent about 20 years in prison as a result, and found an outlet in the quarter-mile track that he and other inmates built their endurance on. Since his release and exoneration, he hasn't stopped running. Burton's story is told in a Lope Magazine article—"Innocent People Don't Run"—by Liam Boylan-Pett, who also joins us in the studio. In the Spiel, the Trump reelection campaign's bizarre memo to all "Television Producers" leans on cherry-picked quotes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, we should be willing to accept that the Barr letter and Mueller report won't lead to any indictments. In the interview, David Priess, former CIA staffer and daily intelligence briefer for Robert Mueller, is here to talk about the Mueller report. What do we know? What questions are still unanswered? And where do we go from here? Priess' latest book is How to Get Rid of a President: History's Guide to Removing Unpopular, Unable, or Unfit Chief Executives. In the Spiel, the Mueller report does not exonerate Trump, even if Trump thinks it does. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, ISIS may be defeated, but the people who made up its forces aren't gone. In the interview, novelist John Lanchester is here to discuss his new novel The Wall, the symbolic and practical use of walls, and how closely we should pay attention to our dreams. In the Spiel, Jim Nantz shouldn't be in those Capital One commercials for March Madness. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, who paid for those two Chinese-born tech magnates to take photos with Trump? In the interview, Vanderbilt professor Jonathan Metzl is here to discuss his new book Dying of Whiteness: How the Politics of Racial Resentment Is Killing America's Heartland. In the Spiel, litigating Biden's past. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, have you heard about the mob hit that took place a few weeks ago? In the interview, journalist Sarah Kliff joins us to discuss maternal mortality rates in the United States, what California has done to fix it, and what the rest of the country should learn from them. Kliff is the host of Vox's The Impact. In the Spiel, Donald Trump on John McCain's funeral. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, it wouldn't just be morally right for Trump to finally denounce white nationalism. It would be politically smart. In the interview, Jill Abramson's Merchants of Truth: The Business of News and the Fight for Facts was released to glowing reviews—but valid accusations of plagiarism and factual errors took some of that shine off. As Mike asks Abramson (a former executive editor of the New York Times), were the negative headlines so grabby that they've damned the book's valuable insights? And would that in itself prove many of her worries about journalism in the 21st century? In the Spiel, the New York Times, biased? You don't say. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, Beto O'Rourke, the countertop candidate. In the interview, historian Rutger Bregman got in a spat with Fox host Tucker Carlson, but you wouldn't know it if it weren't for his own video of the incident. Fox never aired it, as Bregman accused Carlson of carrying water for billionaires and Carlson responded with profane insults. Bregman joins the Gist to give us the backstory on that, but not before laying out some of the progressive economic policies—with basis in American history—that he favors, Carlson's disapproval notwithstanding. Bregman is the author of Utopia for Realists: How We Can Build the Ideal Worldand writes for the Correspondent. In the Spiel, New Zealand's unity on gun control is admirable. In the big, diverse country that is the United States, things are a little more complicated. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, Senator Thom Tillis' op-ed, now with moral fiber! In the interview, no one's ever had to wonder what was on tech journalist Kara Swisher's mind (she'll just tell you) and that includes the litany of Silicon Valley oligarchs she's interviewed. Swisher tells us how the modern world is very much shaped by company founders' personality quirks and blind spots, what government regulation of Google and Facebook should look like, and what women can do to get what they want in the workplace. Swisher is the co-founder of Recode and the host of its Recode Decode podcast. In the Spiel, if you want to measure the ills that come with an increasingly connected world, look no farther than the shooting in Christchurch, New Zealand. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, Beto O'Rourke is running for president. But should he? In the interview, Tim Alberta, chief political correspondent for Politico, recently wrote a piece about Reps. Ilhan Omar and Dean Phillips and the current divide in the Democratic party, "The Democrat's Dilemma." Alberta is here today to discuss the difficulty facing the Democratic party as some new members of Congress seem to be pushing the party further left and whether or not that's a good thing. His upcoming book is American Carnage: On the Front Lines of the Republican Civil War and the Rise of President Trump. In the Spiel, Paul Manafort goes to Ostrich Court. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, three stray thoughts on the college admissions scandal. In the interview, Maria Konnikova is back to talk about those naïve millennials. Last year many of them were duped into paying thousands for tickets to Billy McFarland's Fyre Festival, a glamorous event that existed in name only. That begs the question: Are millennials more susceptible to being scammed than other generations, or is that bullshit? In the Spiel, the rich and powerful often get off easy in the court of law (case in point: Paul Manafort). But instead of throwing the book at them, maybe we should sentence everyone else a little more kindly, too. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, Bill de Blasio flapping his arms to R. Kelly. In the interview, Sal Gentile writes for late night television, but he lives in president Trump's mind around the clock. Every day he writes insights and jokes about Trump's latest ramblings for "A Closer Look," a segment on NBC's Late Night with Seth Meyers. Gentile talks about his writing process—lots of jokes go into a first draft, but only a few make the cut—and how the instinct to laugh is itself a reliable bullshit detector. In the Spiel, the college admissions scandal involving Felicity Huffman and Lori Loughlin. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, much ado about a toothpick ban. In the interview, Wikipedia is famously edited by its own readers. And no one has made more contributions than Steven Pruitt. A third of English language pages on the site bear his mark! What goes into editing a Wikipedia page, and is it as toxic as other democratic spaces on the internet? In the Spiel, which Democratic candidate gets The Gist's vote? The one to make Daylight Saving Time permanent. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, Rep. Ilhan Omar and Israel. In the interview, the Guardian's Chris McGreal covered the deadly toll opiates take on poor American communities "long before it became fashionable because of Trump." He speaks to Purdue Pharma's zealous campaign to push OxyContin ("a chemical cousin of heroin", in the words of the New Yorker) onto doctors and patients—and the federal government's failure to stop it. McGreal is the author of American Overdose: The Opioid Tragedy in Three Acts. In the Spiel, another Lobstar of the Antentwig. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, Stormy is in the news (but not that Stormy). In the interview, Donald Trump speaks many untruths every day, and someone has to track them all. Somehow that task has fallen to a Canadian. The Toronto Star's Daniel Dale is here to tell us what counts as a lie, why details matter, and how neither the left nor the right seem satisfied with his work. In the Spiel, theology isn't all that interesting… unless there's drama involved, of course. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, distracting Congress from H.R. 1. In the interview, sexual promiscuity is judged differently among men compared to women, and that goes double for sex addiction. Franco-Moroccan novelist Leïla Slimani's latest protagonist, Adèle, knows that firsthand. Slimani joins us to talk about her relationship with her translator—and her own characters—and the French sex scandal that inspired her initial research. In the Spiel, bad arguments are hard to believe, like those used to defend Michael Jackson. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, Fox News isn't distributing Trump's talking points. Worse, it's defining them. In the interview, reality TV typically thrives on drama and negativity. Top Chef isn't necessarily an exception, but season 16 competitor David Viana says morale was high on set—and that that's a good sign for the culinary world overall. "Better, healthier kitchens are popping up," Viana says. "It isn't the Gordon Ramsay style." David Viana is the executive chef of New Jersey's Heirloom Kitchen. The finale of Top Chef: Kentucky airs March 14, 2019 on Bravo. In the Spiel, more from Trump's nonsensical CPAC speech. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

On The Gist, the White House PR machine. In the interview, John Carlin is a former Asst. Attorney General for the Dept. of Justice and former Chief of Staff to Robert Mueller, and his new book Dawn of the Code War tracks the rise of global cyber threats from Russia and China, and how our country is working to respond. In the Spiel, the CPAC lets Trump get away with anything he wants. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.