The First Degree

This week on Killing Time, Jac, Alexis & Billy explore historic explosions, secret underground tunnels, the many methods of execution, bare legs on airplanes, the cilantro controversy and Elon Musk's baby. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A young mother fails to show up for work. Her husband says his wife, Clara, is sick. But a welfare check is conducted at her house. Her husband now says Clara left him and took the kids with her. The police conduct a search of the house anyway—and discover the truth. In episode 143, Jac, Alexis and Billy cover the tragic case of the Forman family. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A couple’s argument at a local watering hole leads to an altercation. The drunk and belligerent man is asked to leave by the bar owner and a good samaritan. As he walks away, he vows revenge. In episode 142, Jac, Alexis and Billy tell a tale of how domestic violence can not only affects members of the family—but anyone in the vicinity. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The conclusion of our two part series on The Bay Area Ski Mask Rapist. Please support the show by checking out our sponsors! Daily Harvest: Go to DAILYHARVEST.com and enter promo code FIRST to get twenty-five dollars off your first box! Audible: Visit Audible.com/degree or text degree to 500-500 OSEA: Get 10% off your first order with my promo code FIRSTDEGREE at OSEAmalibu.com Barre3: Go to barre3.com/FIRSTDEGREE and enter promo code FIRSTDEGREE to unlock 30% off today. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A young woman is on the phone with her boyfriend, who is out of town on a business trip. She is home alone. She feels a chill, and goes to the thermostat to turn up the heat. But it’s on full blast? Then she looks at the window and realizes why the chill—it’s open, and outside, underneath it is a chair. She runs out of the house, and a swarm of cops run out of the bushes? What the hell is going on? In episode 140, Jac, Alexis and Billy tell the story of the Ski Mask Rapist, and how his reign of terror left more than two dozen survivors in its wake. Please support the show by checking out our sponsors! Prose: Take your FREE in-depth hair quiz and get 15% off your first order today! Go to Prose.com/degree Upstart: Upstart can lower your monthly payments today when you go to UPSTART.com/FIRSTDEGREE. Talkspace: Go to Talkspace.com. Make sure to use the code FIRSTDEGREE to get $100 off of your first month 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A young girl watches her mother as she answers the phone. She can tell by her body language that something isn’t right. But she had no idea how the world of her family was about to be turned upside down. In episode 139, Jac, Alexis and Billy discuss the attitudes of domestic violence in the 1970s and the case of Cathy Callahan. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Last week we took you through the Feb 4th, 2013 disappearance of 21-year-old Kelsie Schelling. She was on her way to visit her boyfriend—the father of her unborn baby. Based on all the evidence, seemingly everyone believe they knew he was responsible. But the Pueblo police department refused to act . On episode 138, Jac, Alexis and Billy conclude the story of Donthe Lucas and Kelsie Schelling. Please support the show by checking out our sponsors! Fitish:Try Fitish CBD for yourself to get the best wellness in the game at Fitish.com and use the code FIRSTDEGREE15 for 15% off your order Ritual: Ritual is offering First Degree listeners 10% off during your their first 3 months. Visit ritual.com/FIRSTDEGREE to start your Ritual today Upstart: Find out how Upstart can lower your monthly payments today when you go to UPSTART.com/FIRSTDEGREE 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

22-year-old Kelsie Schelling has just learned that she was pregnant. She texted a picture of the ultrasound to her boyfriend, Donthe Lucas and drove two hours to see him. Then she disappeared. In episode 137, Jac, Alexis and Billy begin to tell the dark tale of Donthe and Kelsie Please support the show by checking out our sponsors! Fitish CBD: Go to FITISH.com and enter the CODE (FIRSTDEGREE15) at checkout for 15% off your order Audible: Visit Audible.com/degree or text degree to 500-500 OSEA: You can try OSEA risk-free for 30 days and get free shipping on orders over $50. They even send free samples with every order and get 10% off your first order with my promo code FIRSTDEGREE at OSEAmalibu.com Caldrea: Get 20% off with code [FirstDegree20] when you buy online at Caldrea.com 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The police are zeroing in on the unlikeliest of suspects in Dana’s murder—Dana’s favorite niece and her niece’s best friend. But they still don’t know what actually happened that night. And they don’t know which one of them had the motive and means to kill her. Loose lips...and pages in a journal may lead them to answers. In episode 136, Jac, Alexis and Billy complete the twisted tale of the murder of Dana Laskowski. Please support the show by checking out our sponsors! Hello Fresh: Go to HelloFresh.com/first12 and use code first12 for 12 free meals, including free shipping! Talkspace: As a listener of this podcast, you’ll get $100 off of your first month with Talkspace. To match with a licensed therapist today, go to Talkspace.com or download the app. Make sure to use the code FIRSTDEGREE to get $100 off of your first month and show your support for the show 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

36-year-old Dana Laskowski has been found strangled to death in her home—and there are no shortage of suspects. Her ex-husband, her boyfriend, and her new lover. The police attempt to pull on every string to find the killer. But they have no idea what they are about to find. In episode 135, Jac, Alexis and Billy delve deep into the investigation of who killed Dana, and arrive at a suspect that will shock you. Daily Harvest: Go to DAILYHARVEST.com and enter promo code first to get twenty-five dollars off your first box! Noom: Ready to learn how to live healthier? Sign up for Noom today at NOOM.com/FIRSTDEGREE Upstart: Find out how Upstart can lower your monthly payments today when you go to UPSTART.com/FIRSTDEGREE 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A 36-year-old mother fails to show up to her nanny job. Police perform a welfare check and find her dead on the couch of her home—a home she just moved into one month prior. She had been strangled by what the medical examiner determined to be a very strong individual. But who? In episode 134, Jac, Alexis and Billy tell the tale of the murder of Dana Laskowski. Please support the show by checking out our sponsors! Ritual: Ritual is offering First Degree listeners 10% off during your first 3 months. Visit ritual.com/FIRSTDEGREE to start your Ritual today Talkspace: Go to Talkspace.com or download the app. Make sure to use the code FIRSTDEGREE to get $100 off of your first month and show your support for the show 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

An 18-year-old is found running down the street, screaming, naked and covered in blood. In the house she ran from the police find a horrific scene. In a case that seems cut and dry a dark turn emerges. In episode 132, Jac, Alexis and Billy delve into the case of Brent Fitch—the who, the where, and most importantly— the why. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A student who was thriving on campus, a leader in student groups, with a 3.9 GPA, is shot dead. A police officer is behind the barrel of the gun. On episode 131, Jac, Alexis and Billy tell the tragic tale of Scout Schultz, putting a spotlight on the need for mental health awareness and the need for resources on college campuses—as well as cities across the country. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A group of girls are driving home from a John Mayer concert when a man pulls up next to them. The man reaches out his hand, holding up a piece of Swiss cheese. In his hand: a piece of cheese. In his other hand...well, you get the picture. And this wasn’t the first time he did this. In episode 130, Jac, Alexis and Billy tell the sordid, rancid tale of the Swiss Cheese Pervert, with the help of their first degree Kelsey, and a bonus special guest, Paul Holes. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

DJ and Brandy fell in love. They got married and had three children. All seemed good until a guy named Mike entered the picture. A love triangle, physical altercations and a shotgun—Mike’s shotgun—followed. In episode 128, Jac, Alexis and Billy investigate the infuriating case of DJ Fickey. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In the shocking conclusion to the Andrews family story, a man has been arrested for their murder—a man who had a motive. His girlfriend was sleeping with Mr. Andrews. You will never guess how he tried to explain why his DNA was left at the house and why eyewitnesses spotted him at the scene. On top of that, you’re really not going to believe what happened on the jury. On episode 128, Jac, Alexis and Billy finish the horrific tale of the Andrews Family slaying. Please support the show by checking out our sponsors: Cladrea: Get 20% off with code [FirstDegree20] when you buy online at Caldrea.com 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A husband and wife are found slain in their bedroom—him shot in the head, her beaten to death. Their two year old baby, with blood on his socks, is in the house all alone. The killer having called 911 and placed the phone in his tiny hands. Who could have done this? On episode 126, Jac, Alexis and Billy continue the horrific tale of the Andrews Family slaying in part two of their three part series on the case. Please support the show by checking out our sponsors! Daily Harvest: Go to DAILYHARVEST.com and enter promo code FIRST to get twenty-five dollars off your first box! Noom: Sign up for your trial today at NOOM.com/FIRSTDEGREE. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The only sound on the 911 call sounded like an infant. Authorities entered the house and found a toddler. But where were his parents? It would take a search of the house to make a startling discovery. On episode 126, Jac, Alexis and Billy begin the twisted tale of the Andrews Family slaying. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

An extended Killin' Time episode where Jac, Alexis & Billy reflect and wax hopeful about 2021 Please support the show by checking out our sponsors! Chil Wellness: Visit Chilwellness.com and enter 25OFF at checkout for 25% off your order. TalkSpace: Go to Talkspace.com or download the app. Make sure to use the code FIRSTDEGREE to get $100 off of your first month and show your support for the show TheRealReal:Download the RealReal app today to shop and sell your favorite luxury brands and get 20% off select items with code REAL. Plus, new shoppers get $25 off their first purchase. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Please support the show by checking out our sponsors! Chil Wellness: Visit Chilwellness.com and enter 25OFF at checkout for 25% off your order. Embark: Go to EmbarkVet.com now to get free shipping and save $50 off your Embark Breed and Health Kit with Promo code FIRSTDEGREE SimpliSafe: Visit SimpliSafe.com/FIRSTDEGREE for your free security camera today. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Malcolm Burrows is dead. Adam Braseel has been sent to a maximum security prison for his murder. He maintains he is innocent, but no few believe him--Until the cop who was at the murder scene reads a story about his trial. “Why wasn’t I called to the stand?” he wonders. The reason he wasn’t called is as baffling as it is sinister--and his questions set in motion an amazing revelation. In episode 123, Jac, Alexis and Billy bring you the conclusion to a case that truly is stranger than fiction. Please support the show by checking out our sponsors! SimpliSafe: Listeners get a FREE home security camera, when you purchase a SimplISafe system at SimpliSafe.com/FIRSTDEGREE. You also get a 60 day risk free trial Noom: Sign up for your trial today at Noom.com/FIRSTDEGREE Embark: Go to EmbarkVet.com now to get free shipping and save $50 off your Embark Breed and Health Kit with Promo code FIRSTDEGREE. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A woman is attacked in her own home by a man wielding a baseball bat. The man, wearing a white cap, runs out of the house and escapes in a gold car. The police are called to the scene, and find the woman’s brother dead on the side of the road. His skull is nearly split in two. A suspect is arrested. He is picked out of a lineup by the victim. He drives a gold car. He wears a white cap. Sounds cut and dry, right? Not so fast. In episode 122, Jac, Alexis and Billy begin the extraordinary tale of Malcolm Burrows. Please support the show by checking out our sponsors! Chil Wellness: Visit Chilwellness.com and enter “25OFF” at checkout for 25% off your order Embark: Go to EmbarkVet.com now to get free shipping and save $50 off your Embark Breed and Health Kit with Promo code FIRSTDEGREE. NetSuite: Let NetSuite show you how they’ll benefit your business with a FREE Product Tour at NetSuite.com/FIRSTDEGREE RealReal: Download the RealReal app today to shop and sell your favorite luxury brands and get 20% off select items with code REAL 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

16-year-old Emma Walker and 18-year-old Riley Gaul had been together for two years and appeared to be the perfect couple, especially on social media. And they were- until they weren't. On episode 121 of The First Degree, Jac, Alexis & Billy explore the case of 16-year-old Emma Walker. Please support the show by checking out our sponsors! Daily Harvest: Go to DAILYHARVEST.com and enter promo code FIRST to get twenty-five dollars off your first box! Hello Fresh: Go to HelloFresh.com/FIRST90 and use code FIRST90 to get $90 off including free shipping! SimpliSafe: Get 40% off SimpliSafe plus a free security camera today by visiting SimpliSafe.com/FIRSTDEGREE The RealReal: Download the RealReal app today to shop and sell your favorite luxury brands and get 20% off select items with code REAL. Plus, new shoppers get $25 off their first purchase! 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In 2006, a Myspace post began circulating among a group of friends in Stevens point Wisconsin. The claims made in the post were sinister, horrifying and suggested that a murder had taken place. The revelations that followed devastated the community, fractured a group of friends and left loved ones of the victim at a complete loss. On episode 119, Jac, Alexis & Billy profile and search for answers in the perplexing case of Westley Young. Please support the show by checking out our sponsors! Simplisafe: Get up to 50% off SimpliSafe plus a free security camera today by visiting SimpliSafe.com/FIRSTDEGREE Vistaprint: Go to Vistaprint.com/FIRSTDEGREE to get started on your unregiftable gift. The holidays are coming up! Chil Wellness: Visit Chilwellness.com and enter “15OFF” at checkout for 15% off your order. Embark: Go to Embarkvet.com now to get the best deal of the year AND free shipping. Use Promo code FIRSTDEGREE to save $64 off your Embark Breed and Health Kit Green Chef: Go to GreenChef.com and use code first90 to get $90 off including free shipping 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A high school pole vaulting coach doesn’t show up for practice. His car is then found on the side of the roads near the woods, door open, keys still in the ignition. That’s just the beginning of this twisted case. In episode 118, Jac, Alexis and Billy delve deep into the story of Jeremy Scully, and uncover a tale of sex clubs, falling in love, jealousy and murder. Plus, talking dream talk show guests for Killing Time. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Imagine enlisting in the army before you even turn 18. You do two tours in Iraq and Afghanistan, come back home to Boston and pursue a career in law enforcement. Then one night when you’re out with friends, words are exchanged with another group. A brawl ensues. And the unthinkable happens. On episode 117, Jac, Alexis and Billy investigate the murder of Stephen Perez. And if you stick around for Killing Time, you will finally learn what Alexis and Billy were up to on Long Island. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Diane Hood had been murdered in cold blood by her husband’s lover. That much is clear. But what everyone wants to know now is: Did she act alone, or did Diane’s husband come up with the idea? In episode 116, Jac, Alexis and Billy conclude the story of the Fatal Attraction killing, with tales of manipulation, mercy killings, a life insurance policy, and a man twisting Bible verses for evil. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Two women walk through a parking lot at night. They are accosted by a masked figure who demands their belongings. They comply. But as one of them runs away, she is shot in the back. The masked assailant then stands over her and shoots her in the chest, killing her. The police first think it’s a robbery gone wrong. But as they dig further, they find something far more sinister. In episode 115, Jac, Alexis and Billy explore the Colorado Springs murder of Dianne Hood. Support the show by checking out our sponsors: Caliper: Get 20% off your first order when you use promo code FIRSTDEGREE at TRYCALIPER.COM/FIRSTDEGREE Daily Harvest: Go to DAILY HARVEST.com and enter promo code FIRST to get twenty-five dollars off your first box! Noom: Sign up for your trial today at noom.com/FIRSTDEGREE Shapermint: Go to Shapermint.com/FIRSTDEGREE and use code FIRSTDEGREE, to get an exclusive listener added discount of an extra 10% off your order 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Imagine being in college and getting a phone call--the police think one of your best friends from high school, a guy you thought of as a little brother-- murdered his mother and grandmother. Where would your mind go? Would you immediately think “this can’t be true” and go into help mode? Would you be defiant till the end? Or as the evidence piled up against him, would you finally accept it? In episode 114, Jac, Alexis and Billy delve into the murders of Vicki Logan and Wanda Faye Turner. Support the show by checking out our sponsors: Daily Harvest: Go to Dailyharvest.com and enter promo code FIRST to get twenty-five dollars off your first box! Green Chef: Go to GreenChef.com/degree80 and use code degree80 to get $80 off across 4 boxes including free shipping on your first box! Healist: Go to Healistnaturals.com/Firstdegree to sign up and get your free sample today NetSuite: Let NetSuite show you how they’ll benefit your business with a FREE Product Tour at NetSuite.com/FIRSTDEGREE 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In episode 112, Jac, Alexis and Billy conclude with part three of their series on The Oklahoma City Bombing. Please support the show by checking out our sponsors: Healist: Go to Healistnaturals.com/Firstdegree to sign up and get your free sample today Upstart: Go to Upstart.com/firstdegree to find out HOW LOW your Upstart rate can be 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Imagine you just got married six weeks ago. You’re both secret service agents. You work in Phoenix. She works in Oklahoma City, but you are planning your next rendezvous soon. Then one morning, your beeper is filled with pages, one after another. All of them urgent. You learn the federal building in Oklahoma City has been destroyed by a terror attack. In episode 111, Jac, Alexis and Billy are joined by another first degree connected with the Oklahoma City Bombing, and they cover the crime scene investigation and capture of Timothy McVeigh. Support the show by checking out these sponsors: Curology: Go to Curology.com/firstdegree for a free 30-day trial Daily Harvest: Go to DAILYHARVEST.com and enter promo code FIRST to get twenty-five dollars off your first box Healist: Go to Healistnaturals.com/Firstdegree to sign up and get your free sample today Madison Reed: Listeners get 10% off plus free shipping on your first color kit. Go to Madison-Reed.com and Use code: FIRSTDEGREEPODCAST 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Depending on your generation, you have those defining moments of our childhood, where you can recall exactly where you were when it happened. For baby boomers, it's the Kennedy assassination, for GenX’rs, it's the Challenger explosion, for Millennials, its 9/11. But how you would feel if you were a child, watching the events unfold on TV, and not knowing if a loved one who was there at the site of one of these events was alive or dead. In episode 110, Jac, Alexis and Billy delve into the horror of one of the worst terror attacks in American history, the bombing of the Murrah building in Oklahoma City. Please support the show by checking out our sponsors: Caliper: Go to CALIPER.COM/FIRSTDEGREE. Don’t forget promo code FIRSTDEGREE for 20% off your first order! Madison Reed: Go to Madison-Reed.com, Listeners get 10% off plus FREE SHIPPING on their first Color Kit with code FIRSTDEGREEPODCAST Noom: Visit noom.com/FIRSTDEGREE to start your trial today Shapermint: Go to Shapermint.com/FIRSTDEGREE and use code FIRSTDEGREE, to get an added discount of an extra 10% on your order Upstart: Go to Upstart.com/firstdegree to find out HOW LOW your Upstart rate can be 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Imagine being one month away from going on your first plane ride. One month away from seeing the ocean for the first time...and then the opportunity is snatched away, forever. In episode 110, Jac, Alexis and Billy delve into the shocking murder of Mikey Keller, a crime that deals with conspiracy, betrayal, petty greed and a big screen TV. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Janet Downing lay dying in her dining room. Dying from 98 stab wounds. The person arrested for murder was not an escaped mental patient. He was not the boogie man. He was her son’s best friend, the 15-year-old boy who lived across the street, who she had watched grow up. Were there any signs? Any warnings that this cherub-faced child had a bloodlust lurking inside him? Turns out, there very well might have been. In episode 109, Jac, Alexis and Billy delve into the investigation, and uncover disturbing stories about Eddie O’Brien leading up to the murder of Janet Downing. Please support the show by checking out our sponsors Madison Reed: Listeners get 10% off plus FREE SHIPPING on their first Color Kit with code FIRSTDEGREEPODCAST Pretty Litter: Go to PrettyLitter.com and use promo code FIRSTDEGREE for 20% off your first order 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It was the hang-out house in the neighborhood. All the kids would come by the Downing residence, visiting with 16-year old twins Ryan and Paul, chilling in the living room playing Sega, and being served snacks by the mom of the household, Janet Downing. But on the night of July 23rd, the house on Boston Street would become a horror scene. On episode 108, Jac, Alexis and Billy head to Somerville, Massachusetts to delve into the murder of Janet Downing—and uncover the neighborhood secrets that were hiding in plain sight. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When 12-year-old Shannon Leigh Kos disappeared on a Sunday afternoon, the police initially suspected that the rebellious 7th grader was just blowing off some steam and would be home soon. But after days of searching, they discovered the grim reality of what truly happened to Shannon. On episode 107, Jac, Alexis & Billy delve into the brutal, tragic, and utterly senseless events of October 8, 2000, and what transpired in a place called “ZombieLand”. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Can someone be born evil? Or is evil a product of your environment. The McFeelys had their hands full with their teenage grandson, Brian. The boy they had custody of was rambunctious and childish—and then he turned dangerous. He would go away, seemingly get better then come back and get worse. And then one day, the situation became deadly. On episode 106, Jac, Alexis and Billy tell the story of mental illness, child protective services and unspeakable horror. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

When Seath started dating Amber, the 15-year-olds shouted their love from rooftops—and across social media. But as high school romances are want to do, the relationship fizzled, and Amber began to stray. She ghosted Seath, then started posting pictures on facebook of her with another man. These events would lead to jealousy, rage, name-calling, betrayal, conspiracy and, ultimately, murder. On episode 105, Jac, Alexis and Billy head to Summerfield, Florida, for a twisted tale of love and revenge. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Two people fail to come home after a day at high school. One is a 14-year old student and soccer player who just moved into town. The other is a 24-year-old math teacher. After a frantic search, police access the school’s surveillance video and watch a gruesome horror story unfold. In episode 104, Jac, Billy and Alexis delve into the tragic story of Colleen Ritzer and Philip Chism. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

It’s now 2004, and BTK has been lurking in the shadows of Wichita, Kansas for 30 years. The murders have stopped, and it looks like he got away with his crimes...until a newspaper publishes a story on the anniversary of his first murders. And the killer just can’t help himself. In episode 103, Jac, Alexis and Billy explore how Dennis Rader’s narcissism helped police track him down, how his own daughter unwittingly aided in his capture, and the “grand finale” murder he planned to commit right before he was captured. You will also hear the killer in his own words confess to the crimes. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

After murdering five people, the killer known as BTK made his first contact with the media. But now he’s disappeared. For three long years would waits, before forcing his way into the home of a woman and slaying her while her children listened. Nine months later he would kill again, and continue to taunt the police, writing “Do the cops think that all those deaths are not related? Golly-gee yes the MO is different in each but look--a pattern is developing.” The pattern was laid out for all to see. But even when he resurfaces six years later to kill once more, the cops are clueless. In episode 102, Jac. Alexis and Billy are again joined by Denis Rader’s daughter Kerri, and they attempt to answer the question: how do the circumstances in a killer’s “normal” life change the way he chooses victims in his sadistic life. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A mother, father and their two children are found murdered in their Wichita, Kansas home. When a group of men falsely confess to the crimes, the real killer directs the police to a letter. He writes about the monster inside of him. The monster who needs to kill. “Maybe you can stop him. I can't. He has already chosen his next victim or victims. I don't know who they are yet. The next day after I read the paper, I will know, but it's too late. Good luck hunting.” In the 101st episode, Jac, Alexis and Billy delve into one of the most twisted serial killers of all time, Denis Rader, who for forty years was known by the initials BTK. Their first degree guest is the killer’s daughter, Kerri Rawson, who had no idea the loving father who raised her was harboring a monster. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Two young women, their bodies beaten and strangled and found less than a mile from each other in the hills near Stanford University. For 40 years their killer went undetected. Then, during the hunt for the Golden State Killer, a name pops up on law enforcement’s radar: John Getreu. In episode 100, Jac, Alexis and Billy tell the tale of a family man, a boy scout leader, a loving father and grandfather who was attacking and murdering women for decades—and how he was finally captured. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A teenager is getting ready for a school dance. She’s quiet and shy but tonight, her friends are making her look and feel like a million bucks. It’s the summer of 1963, and they will all be dancing to the early strains of rock n roll. But for Margaret Willams, it would be the last dance she would ever attend. The next day her body would be found half naked on a nearby baseball field. Her killer is swiftly captured—but that is just the beginning of this story. In episode 99, Jac, Alexis and Billy look into a serial killer whose crimes spanned across decades and continents—and who was finally captured during the search for The Golden State Killer. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

You drive past a lakefront mansion, see kids playing in the yard under the watchful eye of a smiling couple and you wish you could be that happy. They have it all. But what if there was something lurking in the shadows? Not everything is perfect. In episode 98, Jac, Alexis and Billy enter the home of the Short family on the shores of Lake Minnetonka, Minnesota, and discover that not everything is what it seems. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In the middle of the night, a man bangs on the door of a suburban house. A mother and daughter huddle in the bathroom. A father goes to the front door to investigate. Within minutes, both the mother and father are killed with shotgun blasts. And the daughter was kidnapped. In episode 97, Jac, Alexis and Billy are joined by a true crime obsessive who followed the crime—who learned of her unthinkable connection to the case after Jayme’s miraculous escape. For Killing Time, they discuss the death of Robert Fuller, a black man found hanging from a tree in Palmdale, California. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The story of how Keith Raniere became an international self-help guru — and, later, a convicted sex-cult leader — is one of those cautionary tales that’s not unfamiliar. A man who is a master of manipulation, able to seduce, exploit, alienate and control countless individuals after developing keen abilities to select precise prey, bait them, and slowly coerce them into doing exactly what he wants. In episode 96, Jac, Alexis and Billy are joined by Josh Block of the podcast, Uncover: Escaping NXIVM as they dig into the cult that branded women, controlled their entire lives and eventually was brought to justice. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

This week, we are handing our mic over to our Black listeners to share their experiences of living in this country as a Black American. To everyone who sent their stories in, thank you. We appreciate the time and energy you gave us, and we feel honored that we can amplify your voices. 🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

🎟 Catch up to FOUR bonus episodes per month plus full video episodes over on Patreon: patreon.com/thefirstdegree 📸 Instagram: instagram.com/thefirstdegree 🕺 TikTok: tiktok.com/@thefirstdegreee 👤 Facebook: facebook.com/thefirstdegree Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices