The Dream Journal

What if nightmares are not something to escape—but something to dance with? In this episode, we’re joined by Lana Nasser, dreamworker, ritual facilitator, and creator of The Dream Hive, for a deep exploration of dreams, nightmares, embodiment, and collective dreaming. Together, we explore how dreams connect us to the more‑than‑human world, how ritual can transform fear, and why symbols like bees and snakes carry powerful intelligence for our time. This conversation weaves together ritual dreamwork, ecofeminist perspectives, embodied practice, and collective healing, offering a grounded yet imaginative approach to working with dreams—not as private puzzles to solve, but as living relationships to tend. Whether you’re a dreamer, therapist, ritualist, artist, or simply curious about the wisdom of the unconscious, this episode invites you into a deeper way of listening. 00:00 — Opening: Dancing With Dreams & Nightmares Introducing the episode and the invitation to meet dreams as living teachers rather than problems to fix. 03:45 — Lana Nasser on Ritual Dreamwork How ritual creates a container for working with dreams safely, creatively, and collectively. 08:20 — Nightmares as Initiation Reframing nightmares as gateways to embodied knowledge, not signs of failure or pathology. 14:10 — The Dream Hive: Collective Dreaming in Practice Exploring shared dream spaces and why dreaming together matters in times of crisis. 20:05 — Embodiment & the Body’s Dream Language Why dreams are not just images, but sensations, movements, and felt experiences. 26:30 — Bees, Snakes & Dream Symbolism Working with non‑human dream figures without reducing them to fixed meanings. 33:40 — Ecofeminism, Earth, and the Unconscious How dreamwork intersects with ecological grief, care, and re‑enchantment. 40:55 — Ritual, Safety & the Nervous System The importance of pacing, consent, and grounding when working with intense dream material. 47:25 — Dreaming With Others Without Appropriation Ethics, humility, and listening when dreams cross cultural and ancestral lines. 54:10 — Closing Reflections: Living in Dialogue With Dreams How to continue the relationship with dreams beyond the night. The annual IASD conference will be in Ashland OR June 13-17. Information at IASDconferences.org/2026 The Wisdom of the Mothers online conference will be April 22-23. Information at https://www.yerusha.org/wotm2026 BIO: Lana Nasser is a writer, performing artist, and dream-weaver, she guides individuals and groups in ritualizing dreams—using theater, movement, props, and nature—to enter dialogue with the imaginal. Her practice reveals insight, fuels psychospiritual exploration, and births communal and personal ritual art. An ecofeminist shapeshifting storyteller, she bridges worlds through embodied dreamwork and innovative performance-making practices. Contact our guest: LanaNasser.com This show, episode number 356, was recorded March 26, 2026 and originally broadcast on March 28, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz. Videos available on YouTube at youtube.com/@experientialdreamwork. Popular playlists: “Dream Journal shorts” and “FULL LENGTH VIDEOS”.     Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in: Holding Space for the Mystery with Bonnie Buckner, PhD How Dreamwork Strengthens Intuition: Lucidity, Meaning, and the Medial Archetype with Athena Laz Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones. SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com. The Dream Journal aims to: Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams. Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships. Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites. A dream can be meaningful even if you don’t know what it means. The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Pacific Time on Saturdays. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/. Thanks for being a Dream Journal listener! Available on all major podcast platforms. Rate it, review it, subscribe, and tell your friends.

How do dreams support emotional health—and how can we use our feelings more skillfully in everyday life? On this episode of The Dream Journal, host Katherine Bell is joined by psychiatrist Dr. Loma K. Flowers, author of Catching Your Feelings, for a practical, grounded conversation about emotional competence and the role dreams play in mental health. Dr. Flowers introduces her model of emotional competence—balancing thinking, feeling, judgment, and action—and explains why ignoring emotions can lead to stress, illness, and impulsive decisions. Through real‑world examples, listener call‑ins, and a live demonstration of the dream interview method, she shows how dreams can function like an “emotional MRI,” revealing insights that help us make better choices. The episode includes a step‑by‑step dream exploration of Katherine’s rearview mirror dream, tools for journaling facts versus feelings, and practical guidance on using good judgment as risk assessment. Listeners also share how dreams helped with major decisions, physical healing, and navigating life transitions. This episode is ideal for anyone interested in dream interpretation, emotional intelligence, mental health, psychology, therapy tools, or personal growth. Topics covered include: What emotional competence really means How dreams help regulate emotions and improve judgment The dream interview method (live example) Using journaling to separate facts, feelings, and opinions Managing anger, impulsivity, and emotional overload Why practicing on “small moments” builds emotional skill Chapters 00:00 – Welcome to The Dream Journal & why dreams matter 02:36 – Introducing psychiatrist Dr. Loma K. Flowers 03:43 – Emotional competence: thinking, feeling, judgment, action 07:03 – Ignoring emotions and the body: a powerful personal story 08:09 – Dreams and psychosomatic health (blood pressure case) 10:29 – Dream interview method explained 10:36 – Rear‑view mirror dream: live dream exploration 13:30 – Handling rudeness, anger, and emotional triggers 19:34 – Journaling tool: facts vs feelings vs opinions 22:44 – Good judgment as risk assessment 33:50 – Listener calls: dreams for medical and life decisions BIO: Loma K. Flowers, MD served as Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at UCSF and was the first Chairman of the Board of the IASD in 1984. She collaborated with Gayle Delaney for over ten years as the Delaney & Flowers Center for the Study of Dreams. Dr Flowers has many peer reviewed articles addressing the application of dream exploration for healing mental health issues including substance abuse and psychosomatic illnesses. She developed the Emotional Competence curriculum in 1994 that includes dreams as a powerful internal resource. She is recipient of the APA Distinguished Life Fellow and the 2019 Solomon Carter Fuller Award. Her new book is “Catching your Feelings, Skills to Direct Your Emotions into Constructive Action.” This show, episode number 356, was recorded during a live broadcast on March 21, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz. Videos available on YouTube at youtube.com/@experientialdreamwork. Popular playlists: “Dream Journal shorts” and “FULL LENGTH VIDEOS”.     Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in: Trauma is Universal but So Is Healing with Wendy Correa Understanding Your Mind with Jesse Lyon   Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones. SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com. The Dream Journal aims to: Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams. Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships. Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites. A dream can be meaningful even if you don’t know what it means. The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Pacific Time on Saturdays. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/. Thanks for being a Dream Journal listener! Available on all major podcast platforms. Rate it, review it, subscribe, and tell your friends.

In this episode of The Dream Journal, host Katherine Bell talks with psychiatrist Greg Mahr and visionary artist/psychologist Heather Taylor-Zimmerman about how dreams—especially nightmares—can support healing, personal growth, and creativity. They introduce the Dream Wisdom Oracle Deck, explore “befriending” difficult dream imagery, and share practical ways to re-enter and work with dreams through reflection, art, and intuitive tools. Chapters: 00:00:23 — Welcome + what the show explores 00:01:26 — Catherine’s falling-elevator dream as an opening metaphor 00:03:12 — Greg on nightmares, trauma, and why meaning matters 00:07:11 — Heather on dream rescripting + “active agency” in dreams and recovery 00:10:04 — Using an oracle deck to clarify a dream (simple draw + follow-up draw) 00:11:33 — What “visionary art” means + Jung’s influence and active imagination 00:21:20 — Creative flow: reverie, atmosphere, and leaning into discomfort 00:23:38 — Dreams + psychedelics: overlapping brain states and how dreams are a “mini trip every night” 00:32:49 — Caller dream: foundation stone “portal,” money envelope, and houses as psyche 00:42:13 — Caller question: recurring “raw chicken” symbol + how to work it with cards BIOS: Greg Mahr, M.D., is a psychiatrist actively involved in teaching and research on acute trauma and nightmares. He is on the faculty of the medical schools at both Michigan State University and Wayne State University and has published more than 30 academic research articles. The author of The Wisdom of Dreams: Science, Synchronicity and the Language of the Soul. SoulofCreativity.com Heather Taylor-Zimmerman, Ph.D., is a psychologist trained at Pacifica, a Jungian program in California. She is the director of an experiential teaching program in personal transformation through visionary art, and her healing artwork has appeared in clinics and hospitals as well as in public and private collections. GregMahr.com This show, episode number 354, was recorded during a live broadcast on March 14, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz. Videos available on YouTube at youtube.com/@experientialdreamwork. Popular playlists: “Dream Journal shorts” and “FULL LENGTH VIDEOS”.     Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in: Rewilding the Dream with Laura Smith-Riva Dreaming the Future with Paul Kalas, PhD Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones. SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com. The Dream Journal aims to: Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams. Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships. Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites. A dream can be meaningful even if you don’t know what it means. The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Pacific Time on Saturdays. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/. Thanks for being a Dream Journal listener! Available on all major podcast platforms. Rate it, review it, subscribe, and tell your friends.

Quantum entanglement? Time traveling information? What is behind the phenomenon of precognitive dreaming? Meet astrophysicist, oneironaut, and author Paul Kalas, who argues that precognition is naturally selected for because of its unmistakable evolutionary advantage. Paul Kalas explains that precognitive dreams are dreams that appear to contain information about future events. Paul introduces the concept of the “Oneironaut” (a dream traveler) and draws from his personal archive of more than 300 recorded precognitive dreams. The discussion spans personal anecdotes, neuroscience, evolutionary theory, and physics—particularly quantum mechanics and the many‑worlds interpretation. Kalas describes how some dreams feel “unmistakably precognitive” due to the sense of surprise and improbability felt within the dream and shares a childhood dream involving an unusual phrase that was later spoken verbatim, and a detailed dream sketch that matched a real astronomical discovery nine years later (the offset debris disk around the star Fomalhaut). The episode also explores the possible evolutionary value of precognition, suggesting dreams may “prime” individuals for future learning or decision‑making. Kalas proposes that information may travel backward in time—from future selves to past selves—rather than consciousness traveling forward. The conversation touches on déjà vu as a possible memory of forgotten dreams, the importance of novel environments, and practical advice for cultivating dream recall through journaling. Finally, the discussion turns to the future: how large‑scale dream recording, AI analysis, and neuroscience might one day allow collective patterns in dreams to be identified, potentially offering early insight into future events. 00:00 – Welcome & Can Dreams Really Predict the Future? Katherine Bell opens the show and introduces astronomer Paul Kalas and the topic of precognitive dreaming. 05:00 – So… What Is a Precognitive Dream? What makes some dreams feel different — vivid, specific, and strangely tied to future events and evoking a sense of curiosity even within the dream. 10:00 – A Dream Phrase That Came True Paul shares a childhood dream involving a bizarre phrase that later appeared in real life. 15:00 – Déjà Vu: Have You Dreamed This Before? How déjà vu may come from forgotten dreams — why some moments feel uncannily familiar. 20:00 – Why Would Humans Have Precognitive Dreams? Exploring evolution, learning, and how future information might quietly guide us. 25:00 – When a Dream Matches a Scientific Discovery A remarkable story of a dream sketch that later matched an astronomical breakthrough. 30:00 – Time Travel, Parallel Lives, and Changing Outcomes Could information flow backward in time? A deep dive into many‑worlds and alternate timelines. 35:00 – Listener Question: Is This All Just Interpretation? An audience question sparks discussion about science, skepticism, and testable ideas. 40:00 – AI, Brain Science, and Reading Dreams What neuroscience and artificial intelligence might reveal about dreams — and the future. 48:00 – How to Work With Your Own Dreams + Final Thoughts Practical advice on dream journaling, recognizing meaningful dreams, and closing reflections. AI, Brain Recording, and the Future of Dream Research (00:50:53) BIO: Dr. Paul Kalas is an accomplished astronomer at UC Berkeley who searches for undiscovered planets among the billions of stars in our galaxy. In his book The Oneironauts he documents more than 300 precognitive dreams, explores alternate explanations, describes connections to neuroscience, physics, and evolution, discusses the significance for the individual, and foretells the future impact on humanity. Find our guest at Oneironauts.org Videos available on YouTube at youtube.com/@experientialdreamwork. Popular playlists: “Dream Journal shorts” and “FULL LENGTH VIDEOS”.   This show, episode number 353, was recorded during a live broadcast on March 7, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz. Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in: Precognitive Dreamwork and the Long Self with Eric Wargo Dreaming up the World We Want to Live in with Katrina Dreamer Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones. SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com. The Dream Journal aims to: Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams. Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships. Improv

How dreams cultivate intuition, mediate inner conflict, and connect conscious and unconscious life. Host Katherine Bell speaks with psychologist and author Athena Laz about the “medial” archetype, dreamwork as a bridge between worlds, and practical ways to engage intuition, lucidity, and meaning—especially during challenging times. 00:04 – Welcome & the Power of Beautiful Dreams Introduction to The Dream Journal and Katherine’s flying dream that highlights joy, connection, and the intrinsic value of positive dreams. 00:07 – Introducing Athena Laz & the Medial Archetype Athena Laz discusses her work and explains the “medial” (bridge‑making) archetype that connects inner and outer worlds, conscious and unconscious. 00:09 – Dreams as Mediators of Inner Conflict Examples of how dreams help reconcile head–heart conflicts and guide decision‑making through symbolic imagery and dream figures. 00:13 – Developing Intuition Through Dreams & Play How intuition is often suppressed—and how dream journaling, simple games, and playful practices can rebuild trust in the inner voice. 00:19 – Dreamwork, the Brain, and Intuitive Growth Exploration of how dreaming neurologically and psychologically bridges nonverbal and verbal awareness, strengthening intuition. 00:21 – Sensitivity, Boundaries, and the Collective Unconscious Potential challenges of heightened intuition, including emotional overwhelm, and the importance of grounding and balance. 00:25 – Community, Shared Dreaming & the IASD Conference Discussion of group dreaming, collective wisdom, and the transformative potential of dream‑focused gatherings. 00:33 – Athena’s Dreaming Journey & Personal Practice Athena shares how early lucid dreams, a pivotal experience in her 20s, and ongoing dream‑sharing rituals shape her current relationship with dreaming. 00:39 – Nightmares, Lucidity & Finding the Treasure Working with nightmares, recognizing dream signs, lucid practices, and learning to find moments of clarity, hope, and meaning within difficult dreams. 00:52 – Visitations, Meaning & the Possibility Beyond the Self A closing exploration of visitation dreams, love beyond death, porous boundaries of the self, and dreams as a space of profound connection and healing BIO: Athena Laz is a bestselling author, intuitive, and psychologist who helps people connect to spirit and psyche through the medium of dreams and symbols. Her books are Women Who Dance in the Dark: Awaken Your Inner Seer Through Myths, Dreams, and Stories and The Alchemy of Your Dreams A Modern Guide to the Ancient Art of Lucid Dreaming and Interpretation. Connect with her at AthenaLaz.com or on IG @athena_laz Videos available on YouTube at youtube.com/@experientialdreamwork. Popular playlists: “Dream Journal shorts” and “FULL LENGTH VIDEOS”.   This show, episode number 352, was recorded during a live broadcast on February 28, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz. Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in: Practical Magic with Niki Jaimes Looking Beneath Appearances with Christian Gerike Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones. SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com. The Dream Journal aims to: Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams. Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships. Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites. A dream can be meaningful even if you don’t know what it means. The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Pacific Time on Saturdays. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/. Closed captioning is available on the YouTube version of this podcast and an automatically generated transcript is available at Apple Podcasts within 24 hours of posting. Thanks for being a Dream Journal listener! Available on all major podcast platforms. Rate it, review it, subscribe, and tell your friends.

🎙️ The Dream Journal Dreams, Astrology, & Cosmic Downloads with Madi Murphy From the studios of KSQD in Santa Cruz, host Katherine Bell welcomes astrologer and author Madi Murphy, founder of CosmicRx, for a powerful conversation on dreams as divine guidance systems. In this episode, Madi shares how vivid childhood dreams, prophetic moments, and visitations from her grandfather led her from a publishing career in New York City to shamanic training and evolutionary astrology. Together, Katherine and Madi explore how dreams function as “cosmic downloads,” how astrology offers a blueprint for soul purpose, and why Pisces season is a portal for intuitive insight. If you’ve ever wondered whether your dreams mean something more — or how to move from comfort zone to cosmic zone — this episode is for you. 🌙 In This Episode, We Explore: The dreams that changed Madi’s life What it means to be a “night worker” How to set intentions before sleep The North Node, South Node, & soul destiny Do we choose our birth moment? Pisces season & the power of Neptune Dreams as upgrades to your emotional operating system Using astrology as “divine dress-up” A dream of letting go of an old lollipop to be able to enter the candy store ⏱ Chapter Timestamps 00:00 – Welcome to The Dream Journal04:40 – Childhood Dreams & Prophetic Experiences07:10 – Healer & Shaman Dreams That Changed Everything10:05 – Night Workers & Dream Healing17:00 – “Google North Node”: Astrology as Soul Blueprint23:30 – Do We Choose Our Birth Moment?34:55 – Pisces Season, Neptune & Dream Portals43:00 – What Is a Cosmic Download?45:00 – Dreaming Your Future Into Being52:00 – Final Reflections: Trust Your Dreams 🔮 About the Guest Madi Murphy is an astrologer, author of In the Cosmic Zone, and founder of CosmicRx, a moon-powered movement helping people decode the stars and embody their highest potential. Blending ancient wisdom with modern empowerment, Maddie teaches astrology as a living roadmap to radical alignment. 💫 Connect & Continue the Journey Explore Katherine’s dreamwork at experientialdreamwork.com Discover Maddie’s work at cosmicrx.com Subscribe, rate, and review to help spread interest in dreaming ✨ A dream can be meaningful — even if you don’t know what it means. VIDEO available on YouTube at youtube.com/@experientialdreamwork. Popular playlists: “Dream Journal shorts” and FULL LENGTH VIDEOS”     This show, episode number 351, was recorded during a live broadcast on February 21, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz. Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in: Wisdom of the Soul Astrology and Dreamwork with Jill Eras Transrational Dream Guidance with Hadley Fitzgerald Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones. SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com. The Dream Journal aims to: Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams. Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships. Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites. A dream can be meaningful even if you don’t know what it means. The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Pacific Time on Saturdays. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/. Closed captioning is available on the YouTube version of this podcast and an automatically generated transcript is available at Apple Podcasts within 24 hours of posting. Thanks for being a Dream Journal listener! Available on all major podcast platforms. Rate it, review it, subscribe, and tell your friends.

What if your dreams weren’t symbols to decode… but living encounters? Celebrating seven years of Dream Journal episodes, host Katherine Bell welcomes natural dream work practitioner, artist, and druid priestix Laura Smith Riva for a fascinating conversation about rewilding the dream, animism, and reconnecting with the living intelligence within dreams and nature. Together they explore how dream figures can be experienced as relational beings, how ritual and creativity help integrate dream wisdom, and how fear, vulnerability, and imagination open doorways to transformation and healing. You’ll hear powerful dream stories, live listener dream exploration, and practical guidance on how to begin working with your own dreams. ✨ What You’ll Learn What “rewilding the dream” means How animism changes the way we understand dreams Why dream symbols may be experienced as living encounters Techniques used in natural dream work How ritual, art, and creativity help integrate dream messages How dreams support healing, intuition, and imagination Ways to start your own dream practice ⏱ Chapters 00:00 Rewilding the dream: animism, dream wisdom & spiritual awakening02:06 What is druidry? nature spirituality, animism & learning from trees07:22 Natural dream work explained: why dream symbols are living experiences12:06 Sacred dream encounters: fear, transformation & emotional thresholds16:36 Dream rituals & creativity: using art, altars and symbolism to integrate dreams31:50 Listener dream analysis: how dreams reflect memory, ancestry & emotional healing47:15 How to start dream work: practical steps, courses & following your dream intuition 🔗 Learn More & Connect Laura Smith-Riva is a Natural Dreamwork Practitioner and Priestix of the Green Mountain Druid Order in Vermont. She works with dreamers from many parts of the globe and in her personal work is interested in the connection to the natural world through dreams and vision work and offers expressions of her journey using art, poetry and prose. Visit Laura Smith Riva’s work:👉 https://laura-smith-riva.com Explore Experiential Dream Work:👉 https://experientialdreamwork.com 👍 Support the Channel If you enjoy conversations about dreams, spirituality, creativity, and personal growth: ✔ Subscribe✔ Like the video✔ Share with a dream-loving friend✔ Comment with a recent dream or insight   Find a video clip of the conversation @ExperientialDreamwork on YouTube on the “Dream Journal shorts” playlist. Click here to watch the latest short: Find the video recording of this conversation @ExperientialDreamwork on YouTube on the “Dream Journal podcast FULL LENGTH VIDEOS” playlist. Click here to watch the latest show: This show, episode number 350, was recorded during a live broadcast on February 14, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz. Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in: Dreams and the 12 Steps w Guest Laura Smith-Riva Finding Sacredness in the Mundane with Andrusa Lawson Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones. SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com. The Dream Journal aims to: Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams. Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships. Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites. A dream can be meaningful even if you don’t know what it means. The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Pacific Time on Saturdays. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/. Closed captioning is available on the YouTube version of this podcast and an automatically generated transcript is available at Apple Podcasts within 24 hours of posting. Thanks for being a Dream Journal listener! Available on all major podcast platforms. Rate it, review it, subscribe, and tell your friends.

Can we do more than talk in talk therapy? Our guest Dr. Michael Mollura speaks about some of his creative approaches to psychotherapy including music therapy, dreamwork, Jungian perspectives, and more! 03:03 — Dr. Michael Mollura’s Background: Music, Psychology, and Creativity 05:31 — Why Suppressed Creativity Can Cause Emotional Symptoms 07:54 — Setting Dreams to Music: The Acoustics of the Unconscious 08:31 — Jungian Dream Work and Depth Psychology Explained 10:52 — Why Symptoms Are Symbols in Dream and Depth Therapy 14:23 — How to Begin Interpreting Dreams: Start with Mood, Not Meaning 17:12 — Common Mistakes People Make When Analyzing Dreams 23:00 — The Power of Dream Details and Imagery in Therapy 29:16 — Phenomenology in Dream Work: Experiencing Dreams Through the Senses 35:49 — A Listener Dream about Judy Garland: an Example of Symbolic Meaning in Dream Analysis. 43:34 — Dream Music Demonstration: Improvising Soundtracks to Dreams 46:49 — Therapy as Improvisation: Music, Energy, and Human Connection 50:39 — Final Thoughts: Dreams as Stepping Stones Out of Chaos   Here is a clip of Dr Mollura’s dream soundtracks which we played on the show called “Dream Music Live: Little Boy.” https://ksqd.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Dream-Music-Live-Little-Boy.mp3 And another one called “Whirling through the Infinite Void.” https://ksqd.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/MOLLURA-Twirling-Through-the-Infinite-w-vox.mp3   Find a short video clip of the conversation @experientialdreamwork on YouTube on the “Dream Journal shorts” playlist, or click here to access the latest playlist. Find the full video record of the conversation @ExperientialDreamwork on YouTube on the “Dream Journal podcast FULL LENGTH VIDEOS” playlist, or click here to access the latest shows: BIO: Dr. Michael Mollura is a licensed clinical psychologist with a Ph.D from Pacifica Graduate Institute and a Master’s Degree in Performance Studies from New York University’s Tisch School of the Arts. Find our guest at DrMichaelMollura.com. This show, episode number 349, was recorded during a live broadcast on February 7, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz. Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in: Using Dreams in Therapy and also Dream Telepathy with Suzanne Maniss, PhD Creating Soundtracks for Dreams: The Healing Power of Music with Dr Michael Mollura Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones. SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com. The Dream Journal aims to: Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams. Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships. Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites. A dream can be meaningful even if you don’t know what it means. The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Pacific Time on Saturdays. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/. Closed captioning is available on the YouTube version of this podcast and an automatically generated transcript is available at Apple Podcasts within 24 hours of posting. Thanks for being a Dream Journal listener! Available on all major podcast platforms. Rate it, review it, subscribe, and tell your friends.

We are the dreams of our ancestors; we are their hopes for the future. But sometimes their trauma is transmitted to us through nightmares. Today’s guest, Dream Journal regular Linda Schiller, will be talking about how to heal that intergenerational pain and focus on the gifts of ancestral connection. Linda talks about her own ancestors and how her grandfather, who she called Grandpa Joey, fled Kiev with his family at age of three because of the pogroms and how making borscht soup always helped her feel more connected to that side of her family. We talk about the trauma that we inherit from our ancestors but also the caring and resilience. Linda also talks about synchronicity, public trauma vs private trauma, drawing up a family tree, and dream incubation. After the break, we explore a dream of Katherine’s about doing numerical computations like she used to during her NASA career and about why she might be having this dream now over 20 years after leaving that position. BIO: Linda Yael Schiller, MSW, LICSW is an international teacher, psychotherapist, and dream worker. She is professor emeritus from Boston University School of Social Work and the post-graduate Trauma Certificate program. She is the author of three books: “PTSDreams: Transform Your Nightmares from Trauma through Healing Dreamwork” her classic, “Modern Dreamwork: New Tools for Decoding Your Soul’s Wisdom,” and her new book “Ancestral Dreaming: Healing Generational Wounds with Active Dreamwork” which comes out this summer and is currently available for pre-order through Llewellyn publishing. Find her at LindaYaelSchiller.com Find a short video clip of the conversation @experientialdreamwork on YouTube on the “Dream Journal shorts” playlist, or click here: Find the full video record of the conversation @ExperientialDreamwork on YouTube on the “Dream Journal podcast FULL LENGTH VIDEOS” playlist, or click here: BIO: Linda Yael Schiller is an international teacher, psychotherapist, and dream worker. She is professor emeritus from Boston University School of Social Work and the post-graduate Trauma Certificate program. She is the author of three books. Her new book is “Ancestral Dreaming: Healing Generational Wounds with Active Dreamwork”. Find our guest at: LindaYaelSchiller.com This show, episode number 348, was recorded during a live broadcast on January 31, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz. Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in: Healing Nightmares through Dreamwork with Linda Schiller Trauma, Nightmares and Spirituality with Linda Schiller Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones. SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com. The Dream Journal aims to: Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams. Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships. Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites. A dream can be meaningful even if you don’t know what it means. The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Pacific Time on Saturdays. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/. Closed captioning is available on the YouTube version of this podcast and an automatically generated transcript is available at Apple Podcasts within 24 hours of posting. Thanks for being a Dream Journal listener! Available on all major podcast platforms. Rate it, review it, subscribe, and tell your friends.

Dream​s bring us back to our true self. ​Today’s guest, Dr. Bonnie Buckner, speaks about the visual language of dreams ​which awakens in us feelings​ which are the base of our inner knowing.​ Dreaming ​also reminds us of wonder and mystery​. By embracing mystery, we discover more of our own potentials and possibilities of transformation in the outer world. Bonnie starts by describing some of the competing pulls we have including the desire to fit in vs the desire for connection. She says our true self is often crowded out by thinking, but that dreams bring us back to a visual and feeling-based language. After the break, we take a question from Stacy from Canyon Lake Texas who shares a dream about filming a waterfall and NOT filming a topless woman. We also take a question from Max which starts a conversation about how to bring wonder into our daily experience. Here is a link to a short video clip of the conversation: The Full-Length video can be found here: BIO: Bonnie Buckner, PhD is founder and CEO of the International Institute for Dreaming and Imagery®, author of THE SECRET MIND, and Program Lead for George Washington University’s One Humanity Leadership Coaching Certification Program where she uses dreaming and imagery work to develop coaches. Find our guest at: bonniebuckner.com and at institutefordreamingandimagery.com Her new book is the Secret Mind: Unlock the Power of Your Dreams to Transform Your Life This show, episode number 347, was recorded during a live broadcast on January 24, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz. Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in: Dreams as Medicine with Stephanie Trager Stop Thinking and Start Imagining with Catherine Shainberg, PhD Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones. SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com. The Dream Journal aims to: Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams. Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships. Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites. A dream can be meaningful even if you don’t know what it means. The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Pacific Time on Saturdays. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/. Closed captioning is available on the YouTube version of this podcast and an automatically generated transcript is available at Apple Podcasts within 24 hours of posting. Thanks for being a Dream Journal listener! Available on all major podcast platforms. Rate it, review it, subscribe, and tell your friends.

Does a traumatic childhood doom you to unhappiness and dysfunction? Meet Wendy Correa who overcame a horrific youth. Dreams were a key part of her recovery! Wendy’s debut book is memoir My Pretty Baby: Seeking Truth and Finding Healing. Wendy starts with a pivotal dream of a black jaguar which had her face then talks about how childhood trauma affects life-long mental health including addiction, depression, and even physical ailments like irritable bowel syndrome and heart disease. She says that 64% of people have experienced at least one of the ten traumas highlighted by the “ACE” scale which lists Adverse Childhood Experiences. She encourages listeners to google the ACEs quiz to start thinking about how trauma might be informing our own lives. She describes some of the modalities that were healing for her including meditation, psychotherapy, music, somatic practices saying “the issues are in the tissues.” Wendy describes the work by Bessel van der Kolk and his seminal book “The Body Keeps the Score.” After the break we talk about the dangers of toxic positivity and the art of learning “to suffer well” of which a pivotal component is forgiveness. She also mentions Whitney Goodman and Joan Didion. Here is a link to a short video clip of the conversation: The Full-Length video can be found here: BIO: Wendy B. Correa is a writer, yogi, hiker and public speaker. She has worked in film, music, and radio. She holds bachelor’s degrees in psychology and theater arts. A wife and mother, she resides in Denver, Colorado. My Pretty Baby, an Amazon #1 Best Seller, is her debut book. WendyBCorrea.com This show, episode number 346, was recorded during a live broadcast on January 17, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz. Here are links to other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in: Meditation and Trauma Recovery with Edit B Kiss Post Traumatic Spiritual Growth with Linda Schiller Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones. SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com. The Dream Journal aims to: Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams. Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships. Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites. A dream can be meaningful even if you don’t know what it means. The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Pacific Time on Saturdays. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major

​​​How to really enjoy your dreams. Today Katherine speaks with Stuart Bailey, a British lawyer who has met Queen Elizabeth and sung with Elvis. His book is My Secret Life of Dreams: One Man’s Journey Into the Hidden World of Night. He says dreams are like movies starring ourselves so why not enjoy them? Stuart starts by talking about his recurring childhood dream of flying down beautiful valleys, some of which date from before age 3 and a half. He speaks about how he might start to sink in those dreams but learned that by relaxing, he could keep flying. We also talk about precognitive dreams, deja vu, and an easy way to eliminate nightmares by daydreaming a better ending, his own version of Image Rehearsal Therapy. Here is a link to a short video clip of the conversation: https://youtu.be/hP5GXhtnEVg BIO: Stuart Bailey is a lawyer from the Lake District, United Kingdom, and lives with his wife and two teenage sons. He is the author of My Secret Life of Dreams which explores how the dreams we have at night can guide, heal, and gently shape our lives. This show, episode number 345, was recorded during a live broadcast on January 10, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz. Here are links to some other Dream Journal episodes you might be interested in: Eliminating Nightmares with Dr Michael Nadorff It’s Always Been Me with Megan Walrod Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones. SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on LI, IG, YT, FB, & LT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com. The Dream Journal aims to: Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams. Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships. Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites. A dream can be meaningful even if you don’t know what it means. The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Pacific Time on Saturdays. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/. Closed captioning is available on the YouTube version of this podcast and an automatically generated transcript is available at Apple Podcasts within 24 hours of posting. Thanks for being a Dream Journal listener! Available on all major podcast platforms. Rate it, review it, subscribe, and tell your friends.

We start the new years by welcoming Katrina Dreamer who talks about social justice dreaming and how we can start to dream up the kind of world we’d like to live in. Here is a link to a short video clip of the conversation: https://youtu.be/VPc75rnn3BA Katrina starts by talking about harnessing the power of dreaming for social justice including using dreaming to build support and to find and connect with people. We speak about connecting to ancestors, mutual dreaming, and dream incubation. We then talk about dreaming up the kind of world we’d like to live in and why that can be difficult. The class they are hosting called Social Justice Dreaming has a new cohort starting February 6. You can get 25% off the cost by registering here by January 23: community.dreamstudies.org/c/social-justice-dreaming-winter-2026 After the break, we take a question from Max about day dreams and hear about a precognitive dream from Ellen from Santa Cruz which tried to warn her about getting arrested on a train in Europe. BIO: Katrina Dreamer: Katrina is a pagan/Druid who co-hosts the podcast Dreaming Back to the Earth. They teach dream workshops on the Dream Portal, have presented multiple times at IASD conferences, and have written for Dreamtime magazine. They also write a web comic and are a tutor for disabled students. This show, episode number 344, was recorded during a live broadcast on January 3, 2026 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz. You might be interested in these related Dream Journal episodes: Gender and Dreams with Katrina Dreamer Radical Resistance with Victor Lee Lewis Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones. SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on FB, IG, LI, & YT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com. The Dream Journal aims to: Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams. Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships. Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites. A dream can be meaningful even if you don’t know what it means. The Dream Journal is produced at and airs on KSQD Santa Cruz, 90.7 FM. Catch it streaming LIVE at KSQD.org 10-11am Pacific Time on Saturdays. Call or text with your dreams or questions at 831-900-5773 or email at [email protected]. Podcasts are available on all major podcast platforms the Monday following the live show. The complete KSQD Dream Journal podcast page can be found at ksqd.org/the-dream-journal/. Closed captioning is available on the YouTube versi

What is sacredness and how can I find more of it in my life? Rodger Kamenetz teaches us a spiritual practice that leads us toward a deeper experience of life. His latest book is Seeing into the Life of Things: Imagination and the Sacred Encounter. Short clip of the convo available here: https://youtu.be/rM8OGWNenhg Rodger starts by talking about what&#8217;s changed for him since releasing his pivotal book in 2007, The History of Last Night&#8217;s Dream. He talks about dream images in the context of images in memory and perception and about the power of images to bring feeling, whether those images are from waking life, from memory, or from dreams. We also talk about biophilia, the power of radical amazement, and finding meaning in waking life moments. You can find a description of his blessing practice for free at howimagesheal.com After the break we take a call from Kat from Delaware who asks about how to work with more difficult images which brings up a discussion about feeling vs reacting. Max in the studio asks how this practice is applied to waking life experiences. And finally the caller Donna, from Cleveland OH asks about anxiety and Rodger replies that terror is the perfect cure for anxiety. Rodger ends by telling us about his workshop series that begins January 14. Details and register here: JewishSpirituality.org/courses-programs/seeing-into-the-life-of-things-imagination-and-the-sacred-encounter/ BIO: Rodger Kamenetz founded Natural Dreamwork, an international group of twenty dreamwork practitioners. His sixteen books of poetry and prose include The History of Last Night’s Dream featured on Oprah Winfrey’s Soul Series and The Jew in the Lotus, an international bestseller. His new book is Seeing into the Life of Things: Imagination and the Sacred Encounter. Kamenetz.com TheNaturalDream.com This show, episode number 343, was recorded during a live broadcast on December 27, 2025 at KSQD.org, community radio of Santa Cruz. Previous Dream Journal convo with Rodger Kamenetz: Bring Your Dreams to Life with Rodger Kamenetz &nbsp; Intro and outro music by Mood Science. Ambient music new every week by Rick Kleffel. Archived music can be found at Pandemiad.com. Many thanks to Rick for also engineering the show and to Erik Nelson for answering the phones. SHARE A DREAM FOR THE SHOW or a question or enquire about being a guest on the podcast by emailing Katherine Bell at [email protected]. Follow on FB, IG, LI, &amp; YT @ExperientialDreamwork #thedreamjournal. To learn more or to inquire about exploring your own dreams go to ExperientialDreamwork.com. The Dream Journal aims to: Increase awareness of and appreciation for nightly dreams. Inspire dream sharing and other kinds of dream exploration as a way of adding depth and meaningfulness to lives and relationships. Improve society by the increased empathy, emotional balance, and sense of wonder which dream exploration invites. A dream can be meaningful even if you don&#8217;t know what it means.</stron