
The Dr. Phil Klein Dental Podcast Show
<p>The Dr. Phil Klein Dental Podcast is the #1 clinical dental podcast for evidence-based dentistry. Hosted by endodontist Dr....
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Show overview
The Dr. Phil Klein Dental Podcast Show has been publishing since 2018, and across the 8 years since has built a catalogue of 764 episodes. That works out to roughly 250 hours of audio in total. Releases follow a weekly cadence.
Episodes typically run ten to twenty minutes — most land between 15 min and 25 min — though episode length varies meaningfully from one episode to the next. None of the episodes are flagged explicit by the publisher. It is catalogued as a EN-US-language Health & Fitness show.
The show is actively publishing — the most recent episode landed earlier today, with 38 episodes already out so far this year. The busiest year was 2019, with 135 episodes published.
From the publisher
The Dr. Phil Klein Dental Podcast is the #1 clinical dental podcast for evidence-based dentistry. Hosted by endodontist Dr. Phil Klein, DMD - trusted by 250,000+ dental professionals with 750+ episodes since 2018. The fastest-growing dental podcast worldwide, The Dr. Phil Klein Dental Podcast delivers cutting-edge clinical dentistry, state-of-the-art dental education, and actionable practice management strategies to more than 250,000 dental professionals globally. Two new episodes every Monday and Thursday featuring world-renowned clinicians, dental school faculty, academic researchers, specialty leaders, and practice management experts discussing the latest advances in evidence-based dentistry and modern practice growth you can apply immediately in practice. Episodes span every major dental specialty - from implant dentistry, endodontics, and restorative dentistry to cosmetic dentistry, digital workflows, sleep dentistry, oral surgery, periodontics, infection control, and pediatric dentistry - giving dental professionals a single trusted source for cutting-edge clinical education across the full scope of modern dentistry. Guests include leading clinicians from Harvard School of Dental Medicine, University of Pennsylvania School of Dental Medicine, University of Florida College of Dentistry, the American Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry, the American Academy of Endodontists, and top dental institutions across the United States and internationally. Every episode is focused on clinical excellence and state-of-the-art dental techniques — evidence-based dentistry at its highest level. Perfect for: General dentists seeking cutting-edge clinical techniques and evidence-based protocols Dental specialists staying current across adjacent specialties Dental hygienists and assistants accessing clinical education beyond typical CE options Dental students and new graduates building a strong clinical foundation Practice owners integrating state-of-the-art digital workflows, modern dental materials, and proven practice management strategies Full episode library and clinical show notes: philkleindentalpodcast.com
Latest Episodes
View all 764 episodesEp. 770 - Prescribing Nutrition: A Game Changer for Immediate Denture Outcomes
Ep. 768 - Inside the Lines: What Dentists Need to Know About Waterline Safety
Ep. 767 - From Overwhelmed to Empowered: Taking Control of Your Dental Practice and Career
Ep. 766 - Behind the Mask: Mental Health Struggles of Dentists and Their Teams
Ep. 765 - How a NYC Prosthodontist Built a High-Trust, High-Value Practice
Ep. 764 - The End of the Composite Drawer: One Material for Every Case?
Ep. 763 - From Burnout to Balance: Reclaiming Your Energy and Purpose in Dentistry
Ep. 762 - Clear Aligner Success for GPs
Ep. 761 - From Online Visitor to Booked Appointment: Dental Website Strategies That Work
Ep. 760 - From Disease to Remission: A New Framework for Periodontal Care
Ep. 759 - From Diagnosis to Growth: A GP’s Success Story with CBCT
Ep. 758 - The Dental Hygiene Multiplier: How Aligned Systems Fuel Sustainable Growth
Ep. 757 - Antibiotic Resistance: Smarter Prescribing in Dental Care
Are you overprescribing antibiotics in your dental practice? With an estimated 30-85% of dental antibiotic prescriptions being suboptimal or unnecessary, this widespread issue is fueling the dangerous rise of antibiotic-resistant superbugs.Dr. Marie Fluent brings over 35 years of dental experience spanning roles as dentist, practice owner, infection control coordinator, office manager, and dental assistant. She is a recognized dental infection control clinical instructor, educator, speaker, author, and consultant who has educated thousands of dental professionals and students nationally and internationally through her writings, webinars, and invited lectures. Dr. Fluent is passionately committed to improving dental infection control and patient safety.This critical episode addresses the paradigm shift from "prescribe just in case" to "prescribe only when absolutely necessary." Dr. Fluent breaks down the 2019 American Dental Association guidelines for antibiotic prescribing, explores the connection between dental overprescribing and global antibiotic resistance, and provides practical strategies for implementing antibiotic stewardship in your practice. The discussion reveals how definitive conservative dental treatment, rather than antibiotics, should be the primary approach to most dental infections.Episode Highlights:Dentists contribute approximately 10% of all human antibiotic prescriptions in the United States, totaling 25 million prescriptions annually with an average of 200 prescriptions per dentist per year. This significant volume makes dental practices crucial players in the fight against antibiotic resistance.The ADA guidelines specify that antibiotics are not indicated for irreversible pulpitis or pulp necrosis with apical periodontitis when definitive conservative dental treatment can be performed immediately. Only systemic infections with fever, malaise, or lymphadenopathy require immediate antibiotic intervention regardless of treatment availability.Patients reporting penicillin allergies should be reassessed since true penicillin allergies lose their antibody response within 10 years. For patients without history of anaphylaxis, angioedema, or hives, ceflexin 500mg QID becomes the preferred alternative rather than automatically switching to broader spectrum antibiotics.Standard antibiotic duration has shifted from traditional 10-day courses to 3-7 day regimens, with patients instructed to discontinue therapy 24-48 hours after symptom resolution. This reduced duration maintains therapeutic effectiveness while minimizing resistance development and adverse effects including clostridioids difficile infections.Antibiotic prophylaxis for cardiac conditions is now limited to a small subset of high-risk patients including those with unrepaired cyanotic congenital heart disease, prosthetic cardiac valves, previous infective endocarditis, or cardiac transplant patients with valvulopathy. The vast majority of patients with heart murmurs or mitral valve prolapse no longer require prophylactic antibiotics.Perfect for: General dentists, endodontists, oral surgeons, dental residents, and practice managers seeking evidence-based guidance on responsible antibiotic prescribing and infection management protocols.Learn how your prescribing decisions today directly impact the effectiveness of antibiotics for future generations of patients.
Ep. 756 - Finding Fulfillment in Modern Dentistry: A Discussion with Dr. Sheila Samaddar
Is dentistry still a rewarding career path despite rising stress, student debt, and corporate pressures? This conversation explores how modern dentistry continues to offer profound personal and professional fulfillment while addressing the real challenges facing today's dental professionals.Dr. Sheila Sammadar brings a unique perspective to this discussion as a third-generation doctor and nationally recognized clear aligner specialist practicing in the Washington, D.C. area. Internationally recognized and published by Invisalign for top case results annually, she holds a top 10 case recognition with the American Academy of Clear Aligners, making her the most decorated clear aligner GP provider in the D.C. metro area. She serves numerous volunteer roles locally, regionally, and nationally with the Academy of General Dentistry, including as a national spokesperson.This episode examines the evolving landscape of dental practice, from DSO opportunities to insurance independence, while emphasizing the critical role of continuing education in modern practice success. Dr. Sammadar shares insights on managing the profession's physical and emotional demands while maintaining long-term career satisfaction. The discussion highlights how strategic equipment choices and professional support systems can significantly impact both clinical outcomes and practitioner wellbeing.Episode Highlights:DSO employment patterns show most general dentists transition out within 2-3 years, with success depending heavily on choosing doctor-owned organizations that prioritize clinical decision-making over production metrics. New graduates should research DSO cultures carefully to ensure alignment with their professional values and treatment philosophies.Continuing education has evolved from a licensing requirement to a practice survival necessity, with successful practitioners taking 30+ hours monthly through study clubs, weekend courses, and specialized training programs. Focus areas should be limited to 2-4 specialties to develop true expertise rather than attempting to master every dental discipline.Clear aligner therapy success requires systematic case selection and ongoing education, with new virtual orthodontic collaboration platforms providing GP dentists with specialist guidance throughout treatment planning and case management. These platforms offer real-time consultation and case approval systems before treatment initiation.Physical injury prevention centers on ergonomic equipment selection, particularly electric handpieces that reduce hand and forearm stress through decreased vibration and increased cutting efficiency. Modern electric handpieces now rival air-driven units in size and weight while providing superior torque and precision for challenging procedures.Burnout prevention requires building professional support networks that include both dental colleagues for clinical discussions and trusted confidants for emotional processing. Practitioners should establish multiple professional relationships to avoid over-relying on single support persons while maintaining work-life boundaries with family members.Perfect for: General dentists at all career stages, particularly those considering clear aligner therapy, evaluating DSO opportunities, or seeking strategies for long-term practice sustainability and personal wellbeing.Discover why experienced practitioners believe dentistry remains one of the most rewarding healthcare professions despite its evolving challenges.
Ep. 755 - Concerned Team Member Triggers OSHA Nitrous Oxide Inspection
When a pregnant team member asked about nitrous oxide safety testing and didn't get satisfactory answers, she contacted OSHA directly. The result? An unannounced inspection that revealed nitrous levels nearly 10 times higher than permissible limits and serious compliance violations.Dr. Karson Carpenter brings over 25 years of experience as an OSHA-approved trainer and President of Compliance Training Partners. A practicing dentist himself, Dr. Carpenter has guided numerous practices across the United States through OSHA and HIPAA inspections, specializing in infection control, regulatory compliance, and the critical post-inspection process. His expertise in governmental regulations affecting dental practices makes him uniquely qualified to break down this complex case.This episode dissects a real OSHA inspection triggered by employee concerns over nitrous oxide exposure in a dental practice. Dr. Carpenter walks through the inspector's methodology, the documentation they demanded, and the shocking test results that revealed levels reaching 1,000 parts per million in some operatories. The discussion explores how outdated delivery systems, improper scavenging, and inadequate maintenance can create dangerous working conditions that violate federal safety standards.Episode Highlights:NIOSH guidelines establish permissible exposure limits of 50 parts per million over eight hours and 75 parts per million for 15-minute exposures, with quarterly testing recommended by both EPA and NIOSH. OSHA can cite practices under the general duty clause when these national guidelines aren't followed, even without specific regulations mandating testing.The inspection revealed nitrous levels of nearly 1,000 parts per million during short-term exposure tests and almost 500 parts per million for eight-hour exposure limits, indicating severe equipment failures. Contributing factors included older manifold systems, ill-fitting masks, improperly vented scavenger systems, and potential recirculation through HVAC systems.Testing protocols involve exposing badge-style monitors in each operatory for eight-hour periods quarterly, with results extrapolated for shorter exposure times. Approved laboratories analyze samples and provide documentation that practices must maintain for at least five years as proof of compliance.Older wet vacuum scavenger systems can actually circulate waste anesthetic gas back through the office via heating and cooling systems, while modern dry vacuum systems with external air sources and proper ventilation eliminate this recirculation risk. Disposable mask circuits with improved sealing also reduce exposure while addressing infection control concerns.Beyond financial penalties typically ranging from $5,000 to $50,000, OSHA violations create public record documentation, staff disruption, patient scheduling interruptions, and ongoing reinspection requirements. The reputational damage and potential staff turnover often exceed the actual fine costs, making proactive testing a valuable practice management strategy.Perfect for: General dentists and specialists using nitrous oxide, practice owners concerned about regulatory compliance, office managers responsible for staff safety protocols, and dental teams working in environments with anesthetic gas exposure.Don't let a simple safety question from your team turn into a compliance nightmare that could have been easily prevented.
Ep. 754 - Clear Aligner Success in GP Hands: The Case for Orthodontic Collaboration
How do you know when a clear aligner case is beyond your comfort zone, and what happens when treatment doesn't track as expected?Dr. Stout is a board-certified orthodontist from the University of Pennsylvania School of Dental Medicine who completed his orthodontic residency and Master of Science in Dentistry at the University of Washington. He achieved board certification with the American Board of Orthodontics in 2016 and is a published author in the American Journal of Orthodontics and Dentofacial Orthopedics. After practicing in Seattle and New York City for 9 years, Dr. Stout founded besmyle, a cloud-based software platform that provides a full orthodontic vertical and interdisciplinary ecosystem for modern dentistry.This episode explores the critical gap between opportunity and overreach in clear aligner therapy for general dentists. The conversation reveals why case selection expertise and volume experience create fundamental differences between specialist and general practice outcomes, and how virtual orthodontic collaboration can bridge this knowledge gap while keeping GPs in their clinical comfort zone.Episode Highlights:Case selection mastery stems from volume experience, with orthodontists typically evaluating 10 new cases daily compared to what GPs might see in an entire year. This experience gap directly impacts the ability to anticipate treatment challenges, set appropriate patient expectations, and select the correct treatment modality for optimal outcomes.The number one mistake in clear aligner therapy is over-trusting initial treatment designs from aligner companies. These first designs typically come from algorithms, AI systems, and trained technicians rather than clinical specialists, making it essential for GPs to edit and question every aspect of the proposed treatment plan before acceptance.Posterior open bite occurs as the most common complication due to the intrusive forces created by aligner occlusal coverage combined with normal biting forces. Prevention involves adding quarter-millimeter extrusion movements to posterior teeth in the initial treatment design, along with strategic aligner trimming and bite ramp placement when necessary.Appropriate GP cases include Class I malocclusions with 20-40% overbite and mild crowding requiring minor interproximal reduction on lower incisors. Cases requiring referral include moderate to severe crowding exceeding 6mm arch length discrepancy, any skeletal discrepancies in the transverse, vertical, or anteroposterior dimensions, and complex movements requiring extractions or significant expansion.Virtual orthodontic collaboration platforms provide case-by-case screening, treatment planning by board-certified orthodontists, custom educational videos, unlimited refinements, and 24/7 specialist support. This model allows GPs to "refer in expertise" rather than refer patients out, maintaining the doctor-patient relationship while ensuring specialist-level treatment quality.Perfect for: General dentists considering clear aligner therapy, practitioners currently offering aligners who want to improve outcomes, and dental team members seeking to understand appropriate case selection and specialist collaboration models.Discover how virtual orthodontic collaboration can transform your clear aligner success rate while keeping complex cases within your practice.
Ep. 753 - The Rise of DIY Dentistry on Social Media: Why it Matters
Are your patients filing their teeth with nail files or mixing homemade toothpaste after watching viral social media videos? The rise of do-it-yourself dentistry fueled by uncredentialed influencers is creating serious oral health risks that dental professionals are encountering daily in their operatories.Cheryl Calmis is a registered dental hygienist with over 30 years of clinical experience specializing in periodontics and diode laser therapy. She holds a Bachelor of Science in dental hygiene from the University of California, San Francisco, a Bachelor of Science in Biology from San Jose State University, and a Master of Education in Instructional Design from Western Governors University, graduating with highest honors. As a professional educator for Water Pik, Inc., and researcher for Biolase, Inc., she has authored numerous dental articles and delivers continuing education lectures on contemporary topics including social media's impact on dental health.This episode explores the dangerous intersection of social media misinformation and oral health care. The discussion covers how viral DIY dental trends are influencing patients to attempt dangerous procedures at home, the regulatory gaps in oral care products, and practical strategies for dental professionals to identify and address these issues. This conversation provides essential insights into a growing challenge that's affecting practices nationwide as patients increasingly turn to influencers instead of licensed professionals for dental advice.Episode Highlights:DIY tooth recontouring using nail files can remove excessive enamel and potentially expose the pulp chamber, leading to sensitivity issues and requiring endodontic therapy. These procedures are being performed by individuals with no understanding of dental anatomy or the irreversible nature of enamel loss.At-home whitening methods promoted by influencers include repeated lemon juice application and direct placement of 3% hydrogen peroxide on cotton pads against teeth. These acidic treatments can cause severe enamel demineralization and tissue damage, with some viral videos accumulating over one million views despite providing no safety instructions or contact time guidelines.Consumer-grade ultrasonic scalers powered by USB ports are being sold for approximately $30 and used by untrained individuals for calculus removal. These instruments can superheat teeth, burnish calculus deposits, and cause soft tissue trauma when used without proper training or understanding of dental anatomy.Homemade toothpaste recipes containing bentonite clay, lemon juice, and essential oils are being shared widely online. These formulations can be highly abrasive to enamel and soft tissues while potentially containing heavy metal contaminants, and they may promote bacterial overgrowth due to improper storage and application methods.Cosmetic oral care products sold through social media platforms operate without FDA oversight when they make only aesthetic claims rather than therapeutic ones. This regulatory gap allows manufacturers to include undisclosed ingredient concentrations and avoid sharing formulation rationale with dental professionals who may be asked about these products by patients.Perfect for: General dentists, dental hygienists, practice managers, and dental team members who need to recognize signs of DIY dental procedures and effectively counsel patients about social media misinformation.Don't let your patients fall victim to dangerous social media dental trends – learn how to identify the warning signs and protect your patients' oral health.
Ep. 752 - The Missing Data in Digital Dentistry: Jaw Motion Tracking Explained
How many times have you delivered a crown that required extensive occlusal adjustment, leaving you wondering if there's a better way to predict how patients will actually function with their restorations?Dr. Mark Kleive, DDS, brings over 25 years of restorative expertise to this conversation. A distinguished graduate of the University of Minnesota School of Dentistry and Fellow of the American College of Dentists, Dr. Kleive serves as visiting faculty at the renowned Pankey Institute, where he teaches advanced concepts in comprehensive dental care and has become a leading voice in digital dentistry integration.This episode explores how jaw motion tracking technology is revolutionizing restorative dentistry by capturing real patient movement patterns and translating them into precise virtual articulators. Dr. Kleive demonstrates how this technology goes far beyond traditional face bow transfers and semi-adjustable articulators, which rely on straight-path condylar guidance and arbitrary measurements. Instead, jaw motion tracking records every boundary movement a patient can make, creating dynamic motion files that inform restoration design at the laboratory level.The discussion covers the clinical workflow from data acquisition using facial scanners with motion tracking capabilities to software integration with design platforms. Dr. Kleive explains when jaw motion tracking provides the greatest clinical value, emphasizing its importance for high-risk patients with TMD history, excessive wear patterns, or complex multi-unit restorations, while acknowledging that low-risk single crown cases may not require this level of sophistication.Key technical concepts include the difference between static occlusal checking with articulating paper versus dynamic functional analysis, how motion data files integrate with laboratory design software, and the critical relationship between restoration morphology and patient chewing efficiency. The episode also addresses the technology adoption curve in dentistry and return on investment considerations for practice integration.Perfect for: General dentists considering advanced restorative workflows, specialists managing complex cases, dental team members involved in digital dentistry coordination, and clinicians seeking to differentiate their practices through enhanced patient experiences.If you've ever had a patient say 'I like my new teeth, but I don't chew as well with them,' this episode provides the clinical roadmap for ensuring form truly follows function in your restorative cases.
Ep. 751 - Bridging the Dentist-Hygienist Gap: Comprehensive Care Starts in the Hygiene Chair
What if your hygiene department is the most underutilized clinical asset in your practice — and no one has noticed yet? Katrina Klein is a registered dental hygienist with 17 years of clinical experience, a national speaker, author, certified personal trainer, certified ergonomic assessment specialist, and functional range conditioning mobility specialist. She is the founder of ErgoFitLife, a platform dedicated to helping dental professionals prevent, reduce, or eliminate occupational pain through the integration of ergonomics and fitness. Her additional certifications in sleep apnea screening and laser therapy give her a uniquely multidimensional perspective on what the modern dental hygienist can and should be doing in the operatory. In this conversation, Dr. Phil Klein and Katrina Klein explore the substantial gap between how most hygiene departments operate and what they are genuinely capable of delivering — both clinically and financially. The discussion challenges the reductive ""scale and move on"" model, making a compelling case for comprehensive hygiene practice that positions the hygienist as the investigative engine of the dental office. Covering airway screening, co-diagnosis, periodontal documentation, laser therapy, and strategic continuing education, this episode is a frank, clinically grounded blueprint for reinventing the hygiene model. The conversation also confronts the practice alignment question directly: how hygienists can evaluate a potential employer before accepting a position, and how dentists can structure an environment where high-functioning hygiene actually thrives. Episode Highlights: The ""bloody prophy"" problem — why performing subgingival instrumentation during a prophylaxis appointment without patient disclosure or appropriate coding fails the patient clinically, obscures periodontal diagnosis, and ultimately undermines both the provider's integrity and the practice's financial health. Airway screening in the hygiene operatory, including pharyngometer use, OSA risk factor identification, and the systemic connection between untreated sleep-disordered breathing, chronic dry mouth, recurrent decay, and progressive periodontal destruction. Using digital periodontal charting — including probing depths, recession measurements, and bleeding-on-probing indicators — as a real-time patient education tool that turns data visualization into a driver of treatment acceptance, home care compliance, and long-term patient loyalty. Low-barrier strategies for building a comprehensive hygiene model without significant capital investment, including intraoral camera adoption, disclosing solution, silver diamine therapy, oral probiotics, pharmacological medicaments, and laser therapy — all capable of generating billable revenue independent of insurance fee schedules. The ""first date"" approach to practice alignment: specific interview-stage conversations hygienists should initiate with prospective employers about airway protocols, laser scope of practice, adult orthodontic philosophy, local anesthetic authorization, and five-year practice vision before committing to any position. Perfect for: dental hygienists committed to practicing at the full extent of their clinical license, general dentists looking to unlock the diagnostic and revenue potential of their hygiene department, and dental practice owners who want to build a team culture grounded in comprehensive, patient-centered care. If you have ever felt that your hygiene chair is capable of more than your schedule allows, this episode will give you the language, the framework, and the confidence to change that.
Ep. 750 - The One-Composite Question: Can a Universal Material Really Do It All?
If you've ever wondered whether one composite can genuinely handle anterior aesthetics and posterior strength without compromise, this episode delivers a clinician's honest answer — with case results to back it up. Dr. Susan McMahon is a graduate of the University of Pittsburgh School of Dental Medicine and leads one of the largest cosmetic dental practices in Western Pennsylvania. She holds accreditation from the American Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry — one of only 350 dentists worldwide to have achieved that distinction — and is a fellow in the International Academy of Dental-Facial Esthetics and Director of New Product Evaluation for Catapult Education. A seven-time Smile Gallery award winner through the AACD, including two gold medals, Dr. McMahon has been recognized five times as a Top Cosmetic Dentist and voted by her peers as a Top Dentist in Pittsburgh for multiple decades. She is a past clinical instructor in Prosthodontics and Operative Dentistry at the University of Pittsburgh School of Dental Medicine, a guest lecturer at West Virginia University School of Dentistry, and lectures across the United States and Europe on cosmetic dentistry and smile design. She was recently inducted into the American Society for Dental Aesthetics. In this episode, Dr. McMahon joins Dr. Phil Klein to make the case for universal composites as a genuine all-in-one restorative solution — not as a marketing promise, but as a clinical reality she has validated across anterior and posterior cases in her own high-volume cosmetic practice. The conversation centers on Grandioso 4U by VOCO, a 91% filled universal composite with a chameleon optical effect, 4mm depth of cure, and a five-shade cluster system that covers the full Vita shade range. Dr. McMahon walks through her real-world experience with the material, including shade matching strategy, handling characteristics, polish retention at recall, and why she is increasingly choosing direct composite over lower anterior veneers in full-mouth cosmetic cases. The episode also expands into 3D printing workflows and digital collaboration with the lab — areas where Dr. McMahon's practice has become a model for efficiency and productivity. Episode Highlights: Why a 91% filler load does not mean a difficult-to-handle material — and how Grandioso 4U achieves creamy, sculptable consistency while delivering the chameleon optical effect in both anterior and posterior applications The five-shade cluster system that covers the entire 14-shade Vita guide, reduces inventory waste, and eliminates the need for complex shade layering in the overwhelming majority of cases The clinical rationale for choosing direct composite over lower anterior veneers — including concerns about emergence profile, incisal edge thickness, and unnecessary tooth structure removal on small lower incisors How 3D printing has become indispensable in high-volume cosmetic practices, including same-day provisional fabrication for full-arch implant cases through a fully digital lab collaboration workflow The five-minute finish protocol for direct composite and how this material's polishability rivals microfills — making beautiful anterior restorations achievable and repeatable for any clinician, not just those with advanced artistic training Perfect for: Restorative and cosmetic dentists evaluating whether to consolidate their composite inventory around a universal material, general dentists looking to expand their direct restorative confidence in the anterior, and any clinician interested in how digital workflow and next-generation materials are intersecting in a high-production cosmetic practice. If you have ever stocked a dozen composite shades and still ended up with drawers full of expired material, Dr. McMahon's approach to simplification — without sacrificing aesthetics — is exactly what this episode is built around. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts or Spotify to stay current with new episodes every week.