The Art Bell Archive

Art Bell speaks with bestselling author Graham Hancock about the newly released Mars Global Surveyor photographs of the Face on Mars and the broader mysteries of the red planet. Hancock criticizes the media's rush to declare the controversy settled based on a single ambiguous image, arguing that only a manned landing on Mars will resolve the debate. He draws a parallel to the disputed underwater monument at Yonaguni, Japan, where two qualified geologists reached opposite conclusions after diving to the same structure.The discussion expands into Hancock's research for his forthcoming book on Mars. He describes the planet's line of dichotomy, a boundary where the northern hemisphere sits three kilometers lower than the devastated, crater-scarred south, as evidence of catastrophic bombardment by comet fragments. He connects this to the work of Victor Clube and others on giant comets, warning that Earth faces similar dangers that governments and scientists have failed to communicate to the public.Hancock also provides updates on the political landscape surrounding the Giza plateau, describing improved relations with Egyptian antiquities chief Dr. Zahi Hawass following a series of private meetings. He discusses the planned eight-month closure of the Great Pyramid and the possibility of investigations beneath the Sphinx, while noting that Edgar Cayce's readings pointed to 1998 as the year for a discovery of the Hall of Records.

Art Bell broadcasts what he calls a first in national radio history as two Hopi elders from the Hopi Sinome join the program from Phoenix, Arizona, with Robert Ghost Wolf participating from the Black Hills of South Dakota. The elders' identities are concealed due to threats they have received for sharing these prophecies publicly. Grandfather One speaks in Hopi while Grandfather Two translates, explaining that ancient teachings passed down through careful oral tradition in the kivas have compelled them to come forward.The elders warn that three major events are approaching in close succession: extreme weather changes destroying crops, widespread starvation, and a third world war connected to what they call the purifier. Grandfather One states the weather disruptions now visible are the first signs, noting that crops on Hopi land were planted late and are being burned by erratic winds and frost. He places these events near the year 2000, describing them as a domino effect where each catastrophe triggers the next.Grandmother Hopi joins briefly to address the crisis among children, attributing it to mothers too busy working to teach spiritual values at home. The elders describe a coming purification after which the world will return to a state of harmony and simplicity. They emphasize that while prayer can lessen the severity of what approaches, it is already too late to prevent the changes entirely.

Art Bell hosts a two-part Dreamland broadcast beginning with Linda Moulton Howe's report on environmental contamination in the Arctic. She interviews Canadian zoologist Dr. Andrew DeRocher about polar bear cubs discovered near Svalbard, Norway with both male and female sexual organs. The researchers link these abnormalities to extremely high concentrations of PCBs moving up the food chain through contaminated seal blubber, raising broader concerns about toxic chemicals affecting immune function and reproductive development across species, including humans.The second half features Steven Jacobson, creator of the audio series Mind Control in America, who argues that television inherently induces a hypnotic trance state through its flickering visual pattern at 30 frames per second. He contends that repeating graphics, newscaster speech patterns, and subliminal messaging techniques deepen viewer suggestibility. Jacobson claims there are no enforceable laws against subliminal advertising despite widespread public belief otherwise, citing the Library of Congress magazine Civilization as acknowledging the practice is commonplace.Jacobson connects media manipulation to economic pressures and educational shifts dating back to John Dewey's progressive reforms, which he says replaced intellectual development with socialization. He argues these combined forces amount to a coordinated psychological warfare campaign designed to produce a controllable population, contributing to the rise of youth violence and societal breakdown.

Art Bell interviews Al Bielek, who claims to be a survivor of the Philadelphia Experiment, the Navy's 1943 attempt to render the USS Eldridge invisible. Bielek provides an extraordinarily detailed technical description of the Tesla-based technology used, including a rotating RF antenna system operating at 160 megahertz with four-phase amplitude modulation, paired with conical electromagnetic coils standing seven feet high and water-cooled to handle massive current loads.Bielek recounts the first test on July 22, 1943, which achieved optical and radar invisibility but left sailors on deck severely disoriented. He describes the disastrous second test on August 12, when Dr. John von Neumann's switch to a pulsed system at eight-megawatt peak power caused the ship to vanish entirely. Bielek says he and his brother Duncan jumped overboard and found themselves transported to 1983 at Montauk, Long Island, where an aged von Neumann sent them back to destroy the equipment with axes.The account includes sailors embedded in the ship's steel deck, personnel fading in and out of reality, and a government cover-up that declared the victims lost at sea. Bielek addresses his claimed age discrepancy by explaining he was born in 1916 as Ed Cameron and was later age-regressed and given a new identity. Callers challenge and question his extraordinary claims throughout the broadcast.

Art Bell welcomes futurist Gordon Michael Scallion to discuss his Earth change predictions and the visions that transformed his life. Scallion recounts how a sudden loss of his voice in 1979 led to a mystical hospital experience where a mysterious woman revealed future events to him. He describes his process of seeing three simultaneous "screens" showing probable futures for individuals and the planet.The conversation turns to Scallion's forecast for July 1998 and beyond. He warns of accelerating volcanic activity along the Ring of Fire, major earthquakes exceeding magnitude seven on the West Coast, and erratic weather patterns driven by changes in the sun's magnetic field. He explains that a magnetic pole shift is already underway, beginning in the 1930s, and predicts a series of six-to-seven degree magnetic jolts occurring over a three-year window that will trigger tectonic upheaval and massive weather disruptions.Scallion also addresses the deeper forces at work, connecting solar cycles to shifts in Earth's core plasma and the planet's magnetic envelope. He shares that he now sees only one screen remaining for the future, indicating these events have moved from probable to near certain. Callers press him on preparations, insurance concerns, and whether individual action can still lessen the severity of what lies ahead.

Art Bell welcomes prolific author Brad Steiger, who has written over 140 books exploring the paranormal, UFOs, and spirituality. Steiger shares his foundational experience at age five when he caught a dark entity with enormous cat-like eyes peering through his family's farmhouse window in rural Iowa. Decades later, he encountered a woman from a neighboring town who had seen an identical being on the same October night, an experience that shaped both their lives.The conversation covers Steiger's near-death experience at age eleven, during which he saw geometric forms that communicated an ecstatic sense of meaning and purpose accompanied by cosmic sound. He connects this to similar accounts from other experiencers, including Gordon Michael Scallion. Steiger presents his unified theory that UFOs, ghosts, angels, spirit guides, and paranormal phenomena all originate from a single source, a perspective he acknowledges frustrates those who prefer neat categories.Steiger discusses his book "Guardian Angels and Spirit Guides," drawing parallels between Native American shamanic traditions and Western angelology. He recounts verified out-of-body experiments conducted live on ABC television and reveals that a mentor of his underwent medically controlled death experiences after surviving a morgue revival. Art and Steiger agree that prophecies of imminent earth changes are converging from every tradition they have studied.

Art Bell interviews Dr. Charles Tart, the first holder of the Bigelow Chair of Consciousness Studies at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, and a founding figure in transpersonal psychology. The two bond over their shared backgrounds in ham radio before Tart makes a bold declaration: five paranormal phenomena are proven beyond reasonable doubt. He names telepathy, clairvoyance, precognition, psychokinesis, and healing as established through hundreds of experiments, criticizing colleagues who reject the evidence without examining it.Tart explains that the mind operates as a virtual reality generator, constructing experience from sensory input during waking hours and creating dream worlds during sleep. He describes experiments showing that psychological expectation shapes altered states of consciousness more powerfully than sensory deprivation itself. Art shares his experience with a software program called Shape Changer that demonstrates psychokinesis, reporting scores of 70 to 90 percent when concentrating versus 15 to 20 when absent.The discussion turns to survival after death, with Tart citing cases where deceased individuals communicated information no living person could have known. He argues that the mind is fundamentally different from the brain, noting that telepathy shows no inverse square law degradation with distance and may even be amplified inside electrically grounded Faraday cages.

Art Bell opens the program with wide-ranging discussion on current events, including the India-Pakistan nuclear tests and his strong suspicion that underground detonations triggered the devastating earthquake in Afghanistan. He challenges the mainstream media for refusing to even speculate about a connection, citing his own experience feeling nuclear test blasts sway buildings in Las Vegas from 90 miles away. Callers weigh in from across the continent, largely agreeing that the silence is suspicious.The broadcast takes its most memorable turn when Art dedicates a phone line exclusively to anyone who believes they are the Antichrist. The first caller describes a car accident that left a 666 scar visible on his skull in X-rays, a healing gift that has cured a dozen people, and a dying mother who revealed family ties to the Temple of the Golden Dawn. A second caller claims to be the genuine article, predicting a U.S. economic collapse in 2006 and describing himself as a private counterpart to the original public Christ.Between these extraordinary calls, Art announces that two Hopi elders have agreed to appear on the program June 15th because they believe earth changes are imminent. A caller who was mysteriously awakened by his ringing phone with no explanation provides one of the night's most unsettling moments.

Art Bell speaks with wildlife expert and outdoor writer Don Zaidle about his book "American Man Killers," which documents the alarming increase in animal attacks on humans across North America. Zaidle explains that more predator attacks have been recorded in the past decade than in the preceding hundred years combined, driven by growing animal populations, more people venturing into wild areas, and animals losing their fear of humans.The conversation covers chilling accounts of mountain lion predation, including children snatched from yards and hikers found in kill beds. Zaidle describes how coyotes have attacked toddlers in suburban neighborhoods from Lake Tahoe to Los Angeles. He argues that even domestic dogs are responsible for millions of injuries annually and recounts cases of family pets killing infants and feeding on deceased owners. Ferrets, deer, and bears all receive attention as potential threats that the public vastly underestimates.Zaidle challenges the popular perception of animals as harmless creatures, criticizing organizations like PETA for fostering dangerous misconceptions. He contends that many missing persons, particularly children, may have been killed and consumed by wild predators, a possibility that officials routinely suppress to avoid alarming tourists and undermining wildlife funding.

Art Bell welcomes Robert Ghost Wolf, a Metis of mixed Native American and European descent, to discuss the Seven Thunders, a series of prophetic warnings compiled from elders across multiple tribes including Hopi, Lakota, Algonquin, and Cherokee. Ghost Wolf explains that these prophecies were compared at a council in the Taos Mountains in the early 1980s and describe a sequence of escalating global crises.The first three thunders, which Ghost Wolf says have already occurred, encompass mass starvation ignored by the world, the arrival of Comet Hale-Bopp as a celestial marker, and the spread of mysterious fungal diseases linked to experimental agricultural chemicals sprayed on fields. He connects the smoke drifting from burning Mexican fields into the United States to contaminated crops carrying what he calls stealth viruses that attack at a frequency level.Ghost Wolf reveals that the prophecies have now reached the fourth and fifth thunders, a point of no return marked by catastrophic weather patterns, devil winds exceeding 200 miles per hour, and the collapse of social, religious, and financial structures worldwide. He announces that Hopi elders feel the changes are so imminent they have agreed to speak publicly on the program for the first time.

Art Bell welcomes Richard C. Hoagland for a wide-ranging discussion connecting weather anomalies, volcanic activity, school violence, and animal behavior through the lens of hyperdimensional physics. Hoagland argues that the geometry discovered at Cydonia on Mars points to a century-old branch of physics pioneered by Maxwell and Kelvin, suggesting that energy from higher dimensions flows into our reality through rotating planetary bodies and their changing configurations.Hoagland presents laboratory evidence that the gravitational constant, long assumed to be fixed, has shown measurable deviations of six-tenths of one percent across experiments conducted in New Zealand and Germany. He contends that if fundamental constants like gravity are not truly constant, then cosmological models built on those assumptions, including redshift-based distance measurements and dark matter theory, may be fundamentally flawed. He also questions whether the December gamma ray burst was truly 12 billion light years away.Connecting these ideas to current events, Hoagland notes that Popocatepetl volcano sits precisely at 19.5 degrees latitude, the key angle predicted by his model for peak hyperdimensional energy transfer. He suggests that rising sea levels, intensifying hurricanes, El Nino, and even unusual animal behavior are all manifestations of a long-period cycle driven by undiscovered outer planets approaching a peak configuration.

Art Bell interviews Gary North, a prolific author and economist who has spent years documenting the Year 2000 computer problem. North lays out a cascading failure scenario rooted in the original programming shortcut of using two-digit dates on 1950s punch cards, a practice that spread throughout decades of mainframe code and embedded systems. He reports that no major bank, airline, public utility, or military system in the United States has achieved full Y2K compliance.North predicts bank runs beginning in the second half of 1999, triggered first by Japan and Canada rolling into fiscal year 2000 on April 1. He warns that the interconnected nature of modern banking means even compliant institutions will be reinfected by non-compliant data from partner systems. The FAA's outdated routing computers face shutdown, and the electrical power grid, dependent on computerized coal shipments by non-compliant railroads, could experience prolonged blackouts.Drawing from his own preparations on 60 acres with natural gas wells and generators, North advises listeners to stockpile food, secure water sources independent of electrical pumps, and keep cash in small bills. He argues the collapse of electronic payment systems would bring the modern division of labor to a halt, potentially lasting years if the power grid fails beyond 60 days.

Art Bell launches a 48-hour shortwave listening experiment on 6.890 megahertz, inviting extraterrestrial beings to transmit on the frequency while millions of listeners monitor with their receivers. He also presents a striking UFO photograph taken at a national veterans cemetery in Hawaii that he considers one of the best unexplained images he has received.Professor Paul Dixon of the University of Hawaii, a three-time Nobel Prize nominee, joins to warn that high-energy particle physics experiments at Fermilab near Chicago could trigger a catastrophic transition into what physicists call de Sitter space, an adjacent dimension containing energy densities vast enough to produce a supernova on Earth. Such an event would vaporize not only the planet but the entire solar system and everything within 50 light years. Dixon explains that he previously helped convince Fermilab's director to keep the accelerator 10 percent below full power for a decade.With Fermilab planning to increase energies tenfold by 1999, Dixon urges the public to pressure Congress and demand a thorough safety review before the upgraded accelerator comes online. He argues that Type Ia supernovae observed in distant space may themselves be evidence of advanced civilizations that accidentally triggered this same catastrophic physics.

Art Bell presents a packed evening beginning with Whitley Strieber and Mexican journalist Jaime Maussan reporting on the catastrophic wildfires engulfing Mexico and Central America. Maussan describes the worst environmental crisis in Mexican history, with smoke reaching from Albuquerque to Miami, underground fires burning invisibly beneath the surface, and volcanic activity intensifying at Popocatepetl. He draws connections between the volcano's location and persistent UFO sightings along Mexico's neo-volcanic axis.Dr. Roger Leir, Derrel Sims, and an anonymous general-class military officer known as General A then join the broadcast. They describe witnessing a brilliant golden object traverse the sky near the Rocketdyne facility on October 3, 1996. General A recounts returning to the site with military credentials and encountering elite special services personnel guarding a charred, intensely hot hillside. He reports being told a nuclear-powered craft had landed for repairs and departed.Multiple callers and fax reports corroborate the sighting from locations across the San Fernando Valley. General A states he received clearance to share these details publicly, suggesting a possible gradual disclosure effort. The Galaxy 4 satellite failure is also reported during the broadcast.

Art Bell welcomes Dr. Barry Taff, a world-renowned parapsychologist who investigated more than 3,500 cases of ghosts, hauntings, and poltergeists during his 30-year career at UCLA's parapsychology laboratory. Dr. Taff recounts the real story behind the 1983 film The Entity, starring Barbara Hershey, which was based on his 1974 investigation of a woman named Doris in Culver City, California, who claimed repeated attacks by unseen forces.The team witnessed objects flying across rooms, photographed mysterious balls of lime-green light, and observed a half-bodied apparition that formed in front of multiple witnesses. Dr. Taff then describes an even more harrowing case from 1989 in San Pedro, where investigator Jeff Wheatcraft was physically attacked multiple times, including being strung up by a clothesline wrapped around his neck by an invisible force. Human blood plasma was found seeping from a kitchen cupboard.The program opens with Art discussing India's underground nuclear tests, the massive fires burning across Mexico and Guatemala, and the resulting smoke haze reaching the U.S. Art also shares news about Robert Bigelow's research funding efforts and considers the possible connections between paranormal phenomena and UFOs.

Art Bell opens with alarming news of India's three nuclear detonations and the revelation that U.S. intelligence analysts were asleep when satellite imagery captured test preparations six hours before the blasts. He releases two controversial photographs he has held for months, asking listeners with satellite imagery expertise to help identify what they depict.Peter Davenport of the National UFO Reporting Center presents new developments in the Bangor, Washington UFO case from April 22, 1998. A witness in Poulsbo describes a 50-to-60-foot glowing disc with a black center hovering roughly 300 feet above the ground near the submarine base. The object was first spotted north of Seattle before streaking south, pausing over Bangor, then hooking east toward Yakima. A former Marine guard from the facility calls in to describe security protocols. Davenport reveals that a civilian official who initially confirmed the incident has reversed his account after media inquiries, and reports that a civilian videotape of the object may exist.During open lines, a listener named Sandy plays a chilling audio recording of a ghostly voice captured on her daughter's tape recorder in a house where a murder-suicide had previously occurred. The disembodied voice appears to whisper a short plaintive sentence that leaves Art visibly unsettled.

Art Bell hosts Dr. Mark Eastman and Chuck Missler for a Christian perspective on the UFO phenomenon. Eastman, a family physician and ten-year UFO researcher, argues that the DNA molecule carries a digital error-correcting code far too complex to have arisen by chance, making a compelling case for intelligent creation over Darwinian evolution. He explains that left-handed amino acid exclusivity in living organisms creates a mathematical impossibility for random origin of life.Missler, a former Air Force branch chief of guided missiles who held deep security clearances, confirms the reality of well-funded government disinformation campaigns targeting the UFO field. He suspects the 1997 Phoenix lights may have been a military projection holography test from a classified non-lethal weapons program. Both men affirm that UFOs are real but argue the evidence points to interdimensional beings rather than extraterrestrials from other planets.The guests present their controversial thesis from the book "Alien Encounters," connecting the UFO phenomenon to Genesis Chapter 6 and the biblical account of supernatural beings interbreeding with humans. They argue that modern abduction reports involving genetic experimentation parallel these ancient accounts and suggest that a coming deception involving apparent extraterrestrial contact may fulfill biblical prophecy about the end times.

Art Bell speaks with Lori Toye about her prophetic "I Am America" map, born from recurring visions she experienced beginning in 1983. In those visions, four white-robed beings she identifies as Ascended Masters presented a detailed future map of the United States showing catastrophic earth changes. Over 80 meditation sessions conducted from 1988 onward, Toye received precise geographic details including new coastlines, submerged states, and massive inland waterways.The map depicts California, Nevada, and Utah completely underwater, with Arizona becoming the new Pacific coastline. The Mississippi and Missouri rivers widen into a vast bay, Lake Michigan disappears, and much of the East Coast breaks apart. Toye notes striking similarities between her map and those of Gordon Michael Scallion and Billy Meier. She describes five protected "Golden City Vortex" areas across the country that the masters identified as safe zones during the changes.Toye emphasizes that prophecy is not prediction but a spiritual teaching meant to inspire change. She discusses the sequential nature of the changes through a new six-map scenario and connects current extreme weather patterns, El Nino, and Antarctic ice shelf instability to the early stages of the prophesied transformation. Art openly shares his belief that these changes are underway and his acceptance of remaining at what Toye calls ground zero in southern Nevada.

Art Bell welcomes retired Command Sergeant Major Robert O. Dean, who spent 27 years in the U.S. Army and held a cosmic top-secret clearance at NATO's Supreme Headquarters Allied Powers Europe. Dean describes a classified 1964 NATO study called "The Assessment" that concluded Earth has been under survey by multiple extraterrestrial civilizations for a very long time. He reveals seeing autopsy photographs of 12 identical small beings recovered from a crashed 30-meter disc in northern Germany.Dean shares a stunning account from Minot, North Dakota in 1981, where a UFO allegedly lifted the 20-ton silo door off a Minuteman missile, scrambled its guidance computer, and melted the uranium-plutonium warhead. He claims three witnesses are willing to testify before Congress about the incident. Similar events reportedly occurred at Soviet missile sites, suggesting a deliberate warning against nuclear weapons.The discussion turns to government secrecy and disinformation campaigns surrounding UFOs. Dean advocates for open congressional hearings and credits Art Bell's program as part of an ongoing disclosure process. He expresses his belief that humanity is being prepared for something extraordinary and that friendly intelligences are watching over the planet.

Art Bell welcomes Father Malachi Martin to discuss the brutal murder of exorcist Father Alfred Kunz, found with his throat slashed in Wisconsin in what Martin identifies as a Satanist-inflicted killing. Martin reports a 750 percent increase in demonic possession cases since the early 1970s, including disturbing new patterns of young professionals making deliberate pacts with Satan and children as young as six showing signs of possession.The conversation shifts to breaking news of a shocking triple death inside Vatican walls, where a Swiss Guard member apparently killed his commander and the commander's wife before turning the gun on himself. Martin connects the violence to a broader spiritual crisis under Pope John Paul II's papacy, describing the Pope as a tragic and isolated figure surrounded by hostility from his own entourage.Martin discusses the Pope's controversial ecumenical outreach, including meetings with voodoo priests and Hindu rituals, suggesting these actions have drawn unwanted demonic attention to the Vatican. He addresses the signs of the Antichrist from scripture, the Vatican's growing interest in extraterrestrial life, and the possibility that profound upheaval awaits the Catholic Church in the years ahead.

Art Bell brings together spy satellite designer Ron Regehr and former CIA operative Derrel Sims for a discussion about what U.S. surveillance satellites have detected in Earth's atmosphere. Both guests report sudden unexplained telephone outages just before airtime. Regehr explains the five degrees of satellite image resolution and reveals that by 1978, sensors could resolve objects down to four-tenths of an inch, with current technology likely an order of magnitude better.Regehr shares data obtained through the Freedom of Information Act showing 316 "fast walker" detections recorded between 1973 and 1992 by geosynchronous orbit sensors. These objects displayed time-intensity profiles that could not be matched to any known aircraft or natural phenomena. He also describes a 1964 incident in which an Atlas F ICBM launched from Vandenberg was filmed being destroyed by a UFO that circled it and fired light beams at the missile. The Soviet Union expressed concern that mass UFO transitions could trigger false identification as a missile attack.Sims discusses his discovery of the pilots who intercepted UFOs over Washington, D.C. in 1952, revealing they were threatened into silence after landing. He describes collaboration with Regehr to correlate abduction cases with satellite detection data, potentially proving UFO presence at abduction locations during reported events. Both guests also question why Mars imagery appears deliberately degraded compared to known satellite capabilities.

Art Bell hosts UFO lobbyist Stephen Bassett and Dr. Steven M. Greer of C-SETI for a wide-ranging discussion about the state of UFO disclosure. Bassett announces the launch of his Paradigm Research Group website featuring the "Paradigm Clock," modeled after the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists' Doomsday Clock, tracking proximity to formal government acknowledgment of an extraterrestrial presence. He also discusses White House correspondent Sarah McClendon's continued investigation into UFO secrecy.Dr. Greer describes C-SETI's two main programs: the Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind Initiative training teams worldwide to attempt real-time communication with UFOs, and Project Starlight's effort to identify top-secret military witnesses and brief senior government officials. He recounts briefing CIA Director James Woolsey, who reportedly said he could not penetrate the secrecy surrounding UFO-related programs despite heading the intelligence community. Greer reveals that a key witness was spirited away before congressional briefings to prevent testimony about plans to use back-engineered alien reproduction vehicles to stage a false invasion scenario.Greer calls for a privatized civilian disclosure process involving primetime documentaries and a global press conference featuring dozens of top-secret witnesses, estimating the effort would cost roughly two million dollars. He reports having over 150 identified military and intelligence witnesses ready to come forward.

Art Bell speaks with UC Davis psychology professor Dr. Albert Harrison about his book "After Contact: The Human Response to Extraterrestrial Life." Harrison brings expertise in the psychological and sociological dimensions of space exploration and serves on the SETI Committee of the International Academy of Astronautics. The conversation examines what would actually happen to human society if contact with extraterrestrial intelligence were confirmed.Harrison discusses the protocols SETI has developed for handling a confirmed signal, acknowledging concerns that government agencies could quickly take control of the process. He addresses the 1960 Brookings Report finding that scientists, politicians, the mentally ill, and religious fundamentalists would be the groups most disrupted by such a discovery. Art raises the issue that 20 percent of his mail comes from religious fundamentalists who would view any alien life as demonic. Harrison argues that democratic societies tend to move away from war and that advanced civilizations likely would have evolved beyond conflict.The program also covers the psychological challenges of extended spaceflight, whether humans can conceive in space, and the dangers of technology transfer between civilizations of vastly different advancement levels. Harrison suggests that meeting on neutral ground like the moon could help manage the risks of physical contact.

Art Bell interviews futurist Barbara Marx Hubbard about her book "Conscious Evolution" and her vision for humanity's potential future. Hubbard describes herself not as an optimist but as a "potentialist" who identifies positive possibilities emerging from current global crises. She frames the planetary crisis as a birth process for the next stage of human evolution and argues that humanity stands at a crossroads between self-destruction and transformation into a universal species.The discussion spans a wide range of topics including space exploration and the stalled manned program since Apollo, the environmental movement and its struggle against fossil fuel interests, renewable energy and zero-point energy research, the population crisis, and the awakening of feminine creativity. Hubbard introduces her concept of "supra sex" as the arousal of creative purpose beyond reproduction. She and Art find common ground on the idea that humanity has passed a point of no return but disagree on the likely outcome.Callers challenge Hubbard from religious and skeptical perspectives. Art reads a breaking report about a battleship-sized UFO tracked by the RAF at 24,000 miles per hour over the North Sea. The conversation touches on the role of the internet in empowering individuals and the need for an evolutionary vision to replace humanity's current lack of direction.

Art Bell welcomes astronomer Dr. Tom Van Flandern to discuss newly enhanced images of the Cydonia region on Mars. Van Flandern holds a doctorate from Yale in celestial mechanics and has spent his career studying the moon and planets. He shares his reaction to the latest photographs from Mars Global Surveyor, which Art describes as the first images that made the anomalous features visible even to his untrained eye.The conversation covers features found across three photographic strips of Cydonia, including structures with right angles, symmetry, and building-like characteristics that Van Flandern says are unlike anything seen elsewhere in the solar system. He explains that the odds against the facial features arising naturally exceed a billion to one, based on fulfilled predictions confirmed by the higher-resolution imagery. He also discusses competing cosmological models and his skepticism of the Big Bang theory.Van Flandern warns that NASA must photograph Cydonia again within months before the orbit shifts to higher altitudes and sun angles worsen. He notes that the next two Mars missions carry no cameras, meaning this window may be the only chance to resolve the question of artificiality in their lifetimes.