The 'Bring Your Own Agent' Shift Is Coming for Every Agency

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Transcript:

00:00.85
Andrew
Dude, your notifications are non-fucking-stop.

00:04.50
Sean
Yeah, they are. I know. It's terrible.

00:08.08
Andrew
Before you muted it, it was just like, what's... Your Slack noise is like a click clack. It's like a... Okay.

00:13.94
Sean
Yeah, the knock, the Slack knock.

00:15.92
Andrew
did it did

00:16.09
Sean
Yeah.

00:16.75
Andrew
okay I don't ever have noises turned on for anything. It drives me crazy.

00:22.67
Sean
Yeah, I mean, don't know. You used to it, I guess. What are you going to and You know what notifications does drive crazy?

00:27.94
Andrew
Sicko.

00:32.16
Sean
Messages. Yeah,

00:34.98
Andrew
Messages, like iMessage or like Facebook Messenger or...

00:36.68
Sean
yeah, yeah. No, sorry.

00:40.30
Andrew
iMessage.

00:40.84
Sean
iMessage. Yeah, iMessage.

00:41.87
Andrew
Yeah, yeah.

00:42.99
Sean
Noises drive me insane. Slag is okay.

00:46.20
Andrew
It's kind of like a little like bubble burst, right? It's like a bubbly thing, sounding thing.

00:52.18
Sean
Oh, mine is a ding.

00:54.12
Andrew
No, maybe maybe the bubble is something else.

00:54.20
Sean
Mine is like a shark.

00:56.16
Andrew
I don't know.

00:56.88
Sean
The bubble is like when you send a message.

00:56.97
Andrew
some Somebody. Oh, maybe. Yeah.

01:00.56
Sean
Yeah. Yeah.

01:01.36
Andrew
Yeah. Dude, did you get any sleep last night? We were chatting at like 1.30 a.m.

01:09.48
Andrew
Secret pod.

01:13.37
Sean
Yeah. I still have like three hours. It's not that bad.

01:17.44
Andrew
Man, that's so much sleep. what You must be wide awake fucking alert.

01:21.96
Sean
yeah Well, I was going to ask you if you had any sleep last night, but you know.

01:33.12
Andrew
I actually didn't fall asleep until like 3, 4 a.m., something like that.

01:33.70
Sean
Yeah,

01:38.72
Andrew
I have a new favorite Dropout show. can't you You know Dropout, right? We've talked about Dropout.tv, best streaming service the internet.

01:44.46
Sean
yeah, yeah. Yeah, college humor.

01:49.32
Andrew
on the internet

01:52.82
Sean
Oh,

01:52.96
Andrew
uh they have a it's not a new show i've but i i was finally catching up uh what is it called the parlor room where it's like a they played board comedians played board games and you watch so it's like right up my fucking alley i'm cursing a lot today sorry

02:05.75
Sean
cool.

02:07.93
Sean
Nice. It's okay. It's because don't have any sleep. I get it.

02:13.93
Sean
Unlike me, who slept a lot.

02:18.89
Andrew
uh have you ever heard of blood on the clock tower

02:21.94
Sean
No, no, no,

02:22.83
Andrew
It's like a deception game, kind of like mafia kind of vibes, but more complicated and there's, it looks really fun. The thing that makes it, I think, complicated is like the players, the roles that players get can change every time.

02:37.96
Andrew
And you, there are multiple players who can have roles where they think they're one thing, but they're actually something else. They're getting, false information.

02:44.69
Sean
no.

02:46.28
Andrew
So you can be the marionette, which is like you're controlled by like the big bad. You can be a drunk. You can also like get poisoned or something. And then there's like so there's all this stuff where you're like trying to piece things together, but you have to also consider the fact that you might have incorrect information.

03:08.46
Andrew
like the stuff you think you know about yourself might be wrong. It's chaotic as hell.

03:12.93
Sean
that's pretty cool that's pretty yeah that's pretty cool interesting okay that's it every time i hear deception game and i hear like mafia i kind of roll my eyes and internally just because i can't like there's there's just so many you know there's just so many of this like but but i think i think that's a nice that's like a

03:14.95
Andrew
Super fun. Yeah.

03:25.54
Andrew
Sure.

03:29.61
Andrew
I know.

03:35.68
Sean
an Actually, interesting spin on it.

03:35.71
Andrew
yeah Some of them are a lot better than others.

03:37.95
Sean
Yeah.

03:37.98
Andrew
like kuup is pretty fun. Secret Hitler is pretty fun. Generally I don't love deception games though because I like i hate lying, I'm a terrible liar.

03:47.70
Andrew
But my strategy is usually just to be as chao like as chaotic and suspicious as hell even when I'm not the the like person so that that way if I do get the like big bad, everyone's just like Andrew's just being Andrew, he's just an idiot.

03:55.67
Sean
I see.

04:02.77
Andrew
like Ignore him.

04:03.10
Sean
Nice. Nice.

04:05.49
Andrew
i have to like access access because i know i'm going to access when i'm uh actually in trouble

04:13.25
Sean
it's like It's like the opposite of like just always pretending you're bad at lying. So everyone thinks always telling the truth.

04:22.08
Andrew
it's kind of the same thing it's kind of the same thing right yeah

04:22.31
Sean
Anyway. you have you yeah okay anyway do you have do have a favorite game?

04:29.48
Andrew
Uh, yes, but it's like kind of niche. I think my favorite board game is Everdell.

04:33.68
Sean
OK.

04:36.62
Sean
I've heard of that.

04:36.95
Andrew
it it's It's an engine builder where you're living in like kind of like a Redwall-esque world where you've got you're playing as little forest creatures and you're building your little forest like forest kingdom machine thing.

04:51.88
Andrew
And and and it's fun because it's like you can't be that cutthroat with the other players. You're kind of playing your own game and there's a little bit of like sabotage and stuff.

04:58.23
Sean
Mm.

05:01.71
Andrew
but For someone who's very competitive, and it you know my friends tend to get pissed off at me when we play like really cutthroat games, like Settlers or you know something.

05:11.80
Sean
Gotcha.

05:13.03
Andrew
And so it's nice because it keeps keeps everybody happier. Also a big fan of, oh, what's the haunted house on the hill? Betrayal at the house on the hill.

05:25.57
Andrew
So much fun. Campy, kitschy, good vibes.

05:31.24
Sean
Nice. The PvE one doesn't sound fun at all. Just saying. As as also as Everdell.

05:37.77
Andrew
The which one?

05:40.20
Sean
like you You just completely sold me again...