Revenue Builders

Today, we’re revisiting a segment from our episode on selling enterprise software and connecting technical capabilities to business outcomes with John Donnelly. John is a seasoned enterprise sales leader with deep experience scaling complex sales motions across organizations like MobileIron and Kana. In this clip, he breaks down why so many sellers default to features, where discovery goes wrong, and how the best reps connect technical differentiation to real business impact to win complex deals. John Donnelly is a seasoned enterprise sales leader and CRO with a track record of scaling high-growth organizations through IPOs and acquisitions, known for helping teams translate technical capabilities into measurable business outcomes. Connect with John: LinkedIn Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

Most revenue teams believe they have a definedIdeal Customer profile (ICP), but the reality is far less precise, with the majority of pipeline often sitting outside the segments that actually drive retention and expansion. This disconnect creates inefficiency across marketing, sales, and customer success, and is only amplified by AI-driven outreach that scales poor targeting. Dan Sperring, founder and CEO of Align ICP, breaks down why ICP must evolve from a static definition into a dynamic operating system rooted in use cases, lifetime value, and market health. The conversation challenges traditional go-to-market structures, highlights the risks of misaligned incentives, and offers a clear framework for building predictable, durable growth. Dan Sperring is the founder and CEO of AlignICP, a company focused on helping revenue teams align around high-value customer segments to drive predictable growth. He brings experience across customer success, revenue leadership, and scaling SaaS businesses through product-market and go-to-market alignment. Connect with Dan: AlignICP LinkedIn Books mentioned: The Innovator's Dilemma by Clayton M. Christensen The Innovator's Solution by Clayton M. Christensen and Michael E. Raynor Predictable Revenue by Aaron Ross and ​​Marylou Tyler Amp It Up by Frank Slootman Tools and podcasts mentioned: clay.com zoominfo.com The Science of Scaling Podcast Get the Force Management framework for aligning your ICP, sales motion, and customer lifecycle around high-value use cases and measurable business outcomes: The Predictable Revenue Framework: Guide for Leaders Key takeaways from this episode: 00:00 – What Dan Sperring really thinks about ICP and why 70% of pipeline is wasted before it even starts 14:12 – Why use case is the signal most teams miss and what actually predicts expansion and retention 23:37 – What high-performing ICPs all have in common and why most segments fail one of the three tests 25:21 – The hidden tradeoff between product-market fit and sales complexity that early teams underestimate 40:27 – A peek into what really breaks when sales and customer success are separated across the customer journey 56:06 – How top teams shift comp from bookings to LTV and what that unlocks in pipeline quality and predictability Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

Today, we’re revisiting a segment from our episode on Product-Led Growth and modern sales playbooks with Dan Fougere. Dan is the former Chief Revenue Officer at Datadog and former Head of Global Sales at Medallia, now advising high-growth startups. In this clip, Dan breaks down why traditional sales playbooks fail in PLG environments, and how leaders need to shift toward usage-based signals and first principles thinking. He explains how buyer engagement now starts inside the product, what those signals actually look like, and how sales teams should adapt their timing, messaging, and motion accordingly. Dan Fougere is the former Chief Revenue Officer at Datadog and former Head of Global Sales at Medallia, now advising high-growth companies on scaling modern revenue models. Connect with Dan: LinkedIn Get the Force Management framework for building sales motions that align to how modern buyers evaluate and adopt products: The Predictable Revenue Framework: Guide for Leaders Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

High-growth companies demand constant reinvention, yet most leaders underestimate how deeply roles, go-to-market models, and buyer behavior evolve over time. This episode explores what it actually takes to adapt at that level, from navigating internal resistance to aligning product and sales with how customers truly buy. Sahir Azam brings a rare operator-to-investor perspective, unpacking the realities of PLG to enterprise transitions, the cultural discipline required to scale sales, and how AI is reshaping both software and the sales function itself. The conversation also challenges common assumptions around SaaS models, tooling, and where value will accrue as AI infrastructure matures. Sahir Azam is a Partner at Index Ventures investing in AI infrastructure, and former Chief Product Officer at MongoDB where he led the Atlas transformation into a multi-billion-dollar platform. He brings a rare operator's perspective on building go-to-market discipline, scaling sales culture, and navigating the product-distribution balance that separates winners from founders who fail. Connect with Sahir: Index Ventures LinkedIn Get the Force Management framework for navigating product-go-to-market fit and building the sales discipline that separates scaling companies from those that fail: The Predictable Revenue Framework: Guide for Leaders Key takeaways from this episode: 00:00 – How Sahir Azam went from building MongoDB Atlas into a multi-billion-dollar platform to investing in the infrastructure shaping AI’s next wave 06:24 – The secret to driving change inside a company before trying to win in the market 10:10 – What PLG and enterprise sales actually have in common when you design around the buyer 12:18 – What it’s really like to move upmarket and why most companies underestimate the cultural shift required 23:50 – Sahir Azam’s unexpected perspective on technical founders who struggle to scale 41:12 – A peek into where real value in AI is being built and why infrastructure is the leverage point 01:02:00 – What you can do right now to stay relevant as AI reshapes how top sellers operate Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In today’s conversation, former Chief Revenue Officer and private equity operating partner Bob Ranaldi shares why great revenue leaders focus less on static metrics and more on the trends behind them. In this segment, Bob explains why looking at a single month of pipeline or bookings can be misleading, and why CROs and CEOs need to study the progression of key metrics over time. He also breaks down how leading indicators like discovery meetings, pipeline growth, and conversion rates help leaders make better decisions before problems show up in the number. If you’re a CRO, founder, or sales leader responsible for forecasting and revenue planning, this segment highlights why data trends, not snapshots, should guide your decisions. Bob Ranaldi is a former Chief Revenue Officer and current operating partner in private equity, where he works with portfolio companies to improve sales performance, leadership alignment, and revenue growth. He brings experience as both an operator and investor, giving him a unique perspective on what boards and CEOs expect from revenue leaders. Connect with Bob: LinkedIn Resources mentioned: The Qualified Sales Leader by John McMahon Get the Force Management framework for building predictable revenue and aligning leadership teams around the metrics that matter: The Predictable Revenue Framework: Guide for Leaders Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

If you treat AI as just tech or a tool, you’re likely missing out on the true strategic benefit to your organization. Many leaders are waiting on IT, governance, or the “right stack” while competitors are already compounding gains through faster execution, better preparation, and tighter alignment. Marcy Stoudt returns to unpack why AI adoption starts with mindset, how productivity gains break without cross-functional integration, and why the next competitive edge will come from leaders who drive curiosity, coaching, and clarity in how their teams actually sell and hire. Marcy Stoudt is Founder of Revel Companies, where she advises revenue leaders on AI adoption, talent strategy, and organizational alignment. With deep experience in executive recruiting and sales leadership, she helps organizations shift from treating AI as a technology decision to embedding it into how work gets done across teams. Connect with Marcy: LinkedIn Website Get the Force Management framework for building AI-native revenue systems that drive repeatable execution and growth: The Predictable Revenue Framework: Guide for Leaders Key takeaways from this episode: 04:00 – Why AI adoption breaks when leaders treat it like a tech stack decision instead of changing how work actually gets done 14:17 – What CROs get wrong when they wait on IT to lead AI strategy while competitors move faster 23:00 – The daily discipline that separates leaders who are compounding AI advantage from those falling behind 30:00 – What it really looks like to use AI to create space, reduce noise, and improve how you think 39:40 – Where your real inefficiencies actually live and why your frontline already knows the answer 49:30 – What hiring looks like when every resume sounds perfect and signal gets harder to find 59:15 – Why AI is increasing the value of leadership fundamentals like alignment, coaching, and culture Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

Today, we're sharing a segment from our episode on leadership, discipline, and relationship-building with Coach John Mosley Jr. Coach Mosley is best known for leading East Los Angeles College and for his role on Netflix’s Last Chance U, where his leadership philosophy is on full display. In this particular conversation, Coach Mosley breaks down a simple but often overlooked principle: rules without relationships lead to resistance. He explains why leaders who rely on compliance lose their teams, how genuine connection creates trust, and why discipline only works when it’s grounded in relationship. Coach John Mosley Jr. is the head basketball coach at East Los Angeles College and gained national recognition through Netflix’s Last Chance U: Basketball. He is known for his relationship-driven leadership style, focused on discipline, accountability, and developing young athletes both on and off the court. Get the Force Management framework for building predictable pipeline, disciplined execution, and aligned revenue teams: The Predictable Revenue Framework: Guide for Leaders Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

Many teams are finding it harder to generate pipeline these days. Is this new pipeline reality here to stay? Generating strong pipeline is still attainable — but the winning approach has changed. Most sales teams are running highly individualized pipeline gen tactics, without the structure, preparation, or leadership discipline required to sustain it. In this replay episode, Chris Vik breaks down why pipeline fails when it’s treated as an event instead of a system, and how high-performing teams connect pipeline generation to partners, community, field marketing, and recruiting to create durable growth. This conversation reframes pipeline as a leadership responsibility, not a rep activity, and challenges leaders to rethink how their entire go-to-market motion fits together. Chris Vik is VP EMEA at Samsara and a former CRO at Leapwork and Go Autonomous, where he scaled go-to-market teams across new markets and high-growth environments. He is known for building structured revenue systems that connect pipeline generation, sales execution, and recruiting. Resources mentioned: Flip the Script by Oren Klaff Pitch Anything by Oren Klaff Get the Force Management framework for building and scaling predictable pipeline and revenue systems: The Predictable Revenue Framework: Guide for Leaders Key takeaways from this episode: 00:00 – Why pipeline generation isn’t dead, but most programs fail due to poor structure and lack of leadership ownership. 01:31 – Why pipeline generation alone burns reps out, and how the five-cylinder model creates more durable growth. 12:20 – Why pipeline generation breaks down before execution, and how lack of preparation shows up as low activity and poor results. 18:55 – How real conviction comes from understanding how a business makes money and where it’s vulnerable. 37:39 – Why insight-led outreach outperforms generic messaging and earns you the right to a conversation. 46:45 – Why deals are won or lost early, based on whether you identify and build a true champion. 52:04 – What candidate preparation actually signals, and why it’s one of the strongest predictors of performance. 01:02:58 – How clearly defined leadership values shape hiring, trust, and day-to-day execution. Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In today’s segment with Eric Erston, longtime sales leader and CRO of RegScale, Eric shares what separates top-performing sales teams from the rest – from maintaining laser focus on metrics and success definitions, to rigorously qualifying leads based on budget, timeframe, and pain points. Eric emphasizes the critical importance of deeply understanding both the ideal customer profile and the individual persona, including the human motivators behind decision-makers, not just their titles. He also discusses how this evolved understanding of persona dynamics becomes essential when transitioning from being an individual seller to leading and scaling a sales team. Eric Erston is a longtime sales leader and currently serves as Chief Revenue Officer at RegScale. With deep expertise in sales process, qualification methodology, and building high-performing teams, Eric shares insights on what separates top performers from the rest of the pack. Want to build a sales organization grounded in clear qualification, defined success metrics, and repeatable execution? Get Force Management’s Predictable Revenue Framework: Guide for Leaders . Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

When the relationship between a CRO and CEO breaks down, the symptoms show up quickly in the forecast, the sales plan, and ultimately the boardroom. Strong revenue organizations avoid that trap by anchoring leadership decisions in shared data, realistic planning, and constant communication. In this replay episode, John Kaplan and John McMahon sit down with former CRO and private equity operating partner Bob Ranaldi to break down what effective CRO leadership looks like from both the operator and investor perspective. The conversation explores how CRO-CEO alignment shapes company performance, why sales efficiency has become a defining metric in private equity environments, and why revenue leaders must take ownership of the forecast from day one. Bob Ranaldi is a former Chief Revenue Officer and current operating partner in private equity, where he works with portfolio companies to improve sales performance, leadership alignment, and revenue growth. He brings experience as both an operator and investor, giving him a unique perspective on what boards and CEOs expect from revenue leaders. Connect with Bob: LinkedIn Resources mentioned: The Qualified Sales Leader by John McMahon Get the Force Management framework for building predictable revenue and aligning leadership teams around the metrics that matter: The Predictable Revenue Framework: Guide for Leaders Key takeaways from this episode: 00:00 – What strong CRO–CEO alignment actually requires and why frequent communication grounded in shared goals and hard data determines whether the partnership works. 04:30 – Why unrealistic revenue targets quietly create hiring mistakes, missed forecasts, and morale problems long before leadership realizes it. 12:00 – Why looking at a single quarter of metrics can mislead leadership teams and how five-quarter trends reveal the real health of the business. 24:20 – Bob Ranaldi’s simple test for whether a CRO is operating with an owner mindset or just protecting their department. 31:00 – What new CROs often get wrong in their first 90 days and why early wins matter more than sweeping changes. 40:00 – A look inside the three groups every CRO inherits in a sales organization and how early wins turn the middle group into champions. 54:00 – What the best CEOs do differently when building leadership teams and why great leaders hire people they can learn from. Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In today's minisode, AI pioneer and enterprise sales leader Amanda Kahlow shares why intent data as we know it is dying – and what replaces it. Amanda is the founder and CEO of 1mind. In this segment, she discusses how SI “superhumans” can operate inside live deals with access to every document and data point, and why the future of go-to-market may move toward agent-to-agent negotiation… with humans stepping in only for the final mile. If you're a CRO rethinking your funnel, a sales leader questioning the future of the SDR role, or an operator trying to understand how AI fits into active pipeline management, this episode is for you. Amanda Kahlow is the Founder and CEO of 1mind and the Founder of Sixth Sense. She is a multi time enterprise founder building AI systems designed to transform the full go-to-market lifecycle. Connect with Amanda: LinkedIn 1mind Get the Force Management guide to adapting your go-to-market execution for the AI age: The Predictable Revenue Framework: Guide for Leaders Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

Amanda Kahlow joins Revenue Builders to unpack what happens when AI stops assisting go-to-market teams and starts replacing entire functions. Drawing on her experience founding SixthSense and now leading 1mind, she explains how technology originally built for Alzheimer’s caregivers evolved into AI “superhumans” capable of running demos, qualifying buyers, building business cases, and onboarding customers. The conversation gets real about some of the uncomfortable questions facing sales today: what happens to SDRs, how the AE role changes, why traditional handoffs between Sales, Marketing, and Customer Success break down, and what “the final mile” of human selling really looks like. For revenue leaders, the bigger question isn’t whether AI will impact go-to-market… it’s how quickly org design, skill sets, and accountability models need to adapt. Amanda Kahlow is the Founder and CEO of 1mind and the Founder of Sixth Sense. She is a multi time enterprise founder building AI systems designed to transform the full go-to-market lifecycle. Connect with Amanda: LinkedIn 1mind Get the Force Management guide to adapting your go-to-market execution for the AI age: The Predictable Revenue Framework: Guide for Leaders Key takeaways from this episode: 00:00 – How tech built for Alzheimer’s caregivers evolved into AI that can qualify buyers, run demos, and move deals forward. 05:09 – What Amanda really means by a “superhuman”, and why it’s far beyond an AI SDR bolted onto your website. 06:27 – Why buyers are increasingly more comfortable with AI than humans in early-stage conversations, and what that does to traditional sales handoffs. 16:48 – How automated knowledge ingestion and system integrations are collapsing AI onboarding timelines from ~4 months to ~4 weeks. 30:23 – The GTM shakeup: SDRs disappear, AEs become strategic operators, and humans remain for one thing only… the “final mile.” 46:36 – The ultimate question: can AI replace high-cost revenue roles profitably? And what happens to trust, security, and data ownership in regulated industries? Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In this minisode, Cedric Pech, President of Field Operations at MongoDB and former CRO, shares a formative leadership moment from early in his career at PTC that shaped how he thinks about building revenue organizations. He tells the story of a manager who invested in him personally before he had proven himself professionally. It is a lesson in what real leadership looks like under pressure. For CROs and frontline leaders alike, this clip is a reminder that culture is built in moments like these, not in mission statements. Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

Scaling from regional VP to global CRO is not a promotion. It is a shift from managing execution to defining meaning at scale. In this replay conversation, Cedric Pech reflects on leading a 2,000-person global sales organization at MongoDB, integrating complex routes to market, and building culture that withstands market volatility. He breaks down the difference between compensation-driven leadership and purpose-driven leadership, why execution alone creates burnout, and how resilient organizations are built long before downturns arrive. For CROs and revenue leaders navigating scale, volatility, or retention pressure, this episode offers a grounded perspective on building durable teams without burning them out. Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In today’s minisode, Football coach and author Brian White shares essential leadership lessons on building winning cultures that apply far beyond the field. Brian breaks down why trust must flow both ways, from the individual entering a new organization and from the team itself, and reveals why assimilating into an existing culture before trying to change it is the key to lasting impact. Whether you're a sales leader establishing yourself in a new company, a manager building team cohesion, or a CRO creating a culture where people compete selfishly but give selflessly, this episode delivers actionable insights on peer leadership, the power of direct human engagement, and why the huddle is always more important than the position. Brian White is a veteran Division I football coach, Assistant Coach of the Year, and author of The Locker Room Is Not for Sale. Over 55 years in and around elite programs including Notre Dame, he has coached national champions, developed NFL talent including Heisman Trophy winner Ron Dayne, and built cultures grounded in respect, accountability, and the human touch. Resources mentioned: The Locker Room Is Not for Sale by Brian White The Qualified Sales Leader by John McMahon Want to know how top-performing organizations create a culture of consistent success? Check out Force Management’s guide to the Predictable Revenue Framework: https://hubs.li/Q03-T6NH0 Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

There’s no shortcuts to a winning sales culture. When leaders compromise standards for convenience, talent, or short-term wins, they erode the very foundation that sustains performance over time. Brian White joins John Kaplan and John McMahon to unpack why elite teams are built on respect first, why trust is collective (not individual), and why commitment without conditions is the only kind that lasts. Drawing from decades inside championship locker rooms, Brian outlines what it takes to build peer-led accountability, accelerate young talent, demand excellence without demeaning people, and create environments where pride replaces entitlement. This conversation is for revenue leaders who want to build a long-lasting high-performance culture that goes beyond incentives.Brian White is a veteran Division I football coach, Assistant Coach of the Year, and author of The Locker Room Is Not for Sale. Over 55 years in and around elite programs including Notre Dame, he has coached national champions, developed NFL talent including Heisman Trophy winner Ron Dayne, and built cultures grounded in respect, accountability, and the human touch.Resources mentioned:The Locker Room Is Not for Sale by Brian WhiteThe Qualified Sales Leader by John McMahonWant to know how top-performing organizations create a culture of consistent success? Check out Force Management’s guide to the Predictable Revenue Framework: https://hubs.li/Q03-T6NH0Key takeaways from this episode:16:53 – Why respect, not trust, is the true starting point of elite team culture25:55 – The human touch as a competitive advantage, not a soft leadership tactic35:27 – Caring is competence, and why pride is earned through preparation and standards40:54 – Why three clear values outperform forty two vague ones47:48 – How peer leaders, not titles, protect the integrity of the locker room55:06 – You don’t rise to the occasion, you fall to your level of preparation01:02:06 – Why great leaders get talent in front of experience and refuse to hide behind youth 01:06:22 – Why direct engagement eliminates fear and prevents cultural drift Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

Today’s minisode features Carlos Delatorre as he shares two hard-earned leadership lessons that every sales leader scaling an organization needs to hear. He reflects on an early moment in his career when he learned the difference between being a top-performing rep and becoming a true manager, and why doing the work for your team might feel helpful in the moment but ultimately breaks scale. If you’re a manager trying to transition into leadership, or a CRO navigating rapid growth and wondering whether your leadership bench is ready to scale, this clip is for you. Carlos Delatorre is a seasoned sales leader with over 25 years of enterprise software and SaaS experience. He has served as CRO at MongoDB (driving 100%+ annual revenue growth), TripActions/Navan, and ClearSlide, and as CEO of Vera. Carlos is also an active investor and advisor to high-growth software companies including Starburst, Outreach, and Modern Treasury, and serves on the board of Yalo.Connect with Carlos:LinkedIn Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

Climbing from individual contributor to CRO requires far more than strong execution. It demands disciplined leadership, intentional systems, and the ability to scale through complexity. In this replay episode, Carlos de la Torre joins John McMahon to unpack lessons from decades of enterprise sales leadership, including how he evaluates CRO opportunities, why complex selling environments demand sophisticated go-to-market engines, and how pipeline generation, leadership hiring, and management operating rhythm drive sustainable growth. Carlos also shares hard-earned insights on developing leaders, avoiding common scaling traps, and protecting personal sustainability as organizational demands increase.Carlos Delatorre is a seasoned sales leader with over 25 years of enterprise software and SaaS experience. He has served as CRO at MongoDB (driving 100%+ annual revenue growth), TripActions/Navan, and ClearSlide, and as CEO of Vera. Carlos is also an active investor and advisor to high-growth software companies including Starburst, Outreach, and Modern Treasury, and serves on the board of Yalo.Connect with Carlos:LinkedInForce Management resources on scaling predictably:The Predictable Revenue Framework: Guide for LeadersKey takeaways from this episode: 04:18 - The three non-negotiables Carlos uses to evaluate a CRO role: a market big enough to scale, a product that delivers real business value, and a leadership team capable of growing with the company.06:43 - Why complex selling environments require more than great reps, and how elite go-to-market engines translate technical products into business outcomes across multiple stakeholders while navigating internal politics.20:47 - The MongoDB lesson every scaling CRO needs to hear: why waiting 6-9 months too long to hire senior leaders creates capacity gaps, forces Q4 heroics, and caps your upside.34:00 - How defining clear stage criteria, tailoring messages by persona, and training the entire team on a single system fuels consistent 100%+ growth.41:44 - What to analyze after the quarter closes: how revenue mix, productivity per AE, and stage conversion rates reveal which reps and behaviors are actually driving outsized results.49:12 - Why blocking time by day, week, month, quarter, and year is the only way to protect focus and maintain execution.54:56 - Staying connected to what’s really happening in the field, why office walks, open office hours, and time on sales calls give CROs earlier signal, better coaching moments, and stronger strategy. Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

Today’s minisode features Chris Degnan, former CRO of Snowflake. In this clip, Chris explains what it really takes to grow with a company as it scales, and why earning your role does not stop once the title changes. He shares how treating every quarter like a 90-day contract, staying open to feedback, and knowing when to shift from grinding in the business to building leaders helped him navigate board pressure and scale through hypergrowth.If you’re a sales leader navigating rapid growth, or questioning how to evolve without losing your edge, this is a perspective worth hearing.Chris Degnan is the former Chief Revenue Officer of Snowflake, where he helped build the company from zero to more than $1B in consumption revenue. He is known for his expertise in scaling go-to-market organizations through early-stage ambiguity, enterprise expansion, and consumption-based selling models.Connect with Chris:LinkedInFrom Zero to Billions: How Snowflake Scaled its Go-to-Market Organization by Denise Persson & Chris DegnanResources mentioned:Multiple Myeloma Research Foundation Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

Building a company from the ground up is rarely clean, fast, or glamorous. It requires leaders who are willing to earn their role repeatedly, adapt faster than the business evolves, and stay grounded in customer reality even as pressure to scale intensifies. In this replay of one of our favorite Revenue Builders Podcast conversations, Chris Degnan shares what it actually took to help build Snowflake from pre-product uncertainty into a billion-dollar revenue engine. Drawing on his experience joining the company two years before general availability, Chris breaks down the stages of growth, the discipline required to identify real product-market fit, and the leadership mindset needed to scale teams, go-to-market motion, and accountability without losing velocity or culture.Chris Degnan is the former Chief Revenue Officer of Snowflake, where he helped build the company from zero to more than $1B in consumption revenue. He is known for his expertise in scaling go-to-market organizations through early-stage ambiguity, enterprise expansion, and consumption-based selling models.Connect with Chris:LinkedInFrom Zero to Billions: How Snowflake Scaled its Go-to-Market Organization by Denise Persson & Chris DegnanResources mentioned:Multiple Myeloma Research FoundationIf you’re responsible for scaling a go-to-market organization, drive predictability at scale with Force Management’s Predictable Revenue Framework. Get the free guide: https://hubs.li/Q03-T6NH0Key takeaways from this episode:05:10 – Why joining an early-stage company means earning your role every quarter, not relying on past success or title10:25 – How defining a narrow and honest ideal customer profile creates momentum, while chasing outliers quietly destroys focus and capital16:45 – Why velocity and enterprise selling must coexist, and how overcommitting to one creates instability as companies scale20:05 – How coachability and adaptability determine whether leaders grow with the company or get replaced as scale increases21:55 – Why consumption-based selling demands accountability beyond the deal, and how reps must own customer success to earn full value26:30 – Why resisting the urge to replace leaders too early preserves institutional knowledge and strengthens culture during scale Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

Today’s minisode features Bob Kocis, author of The President’s Club Mindset. In this clip, Bob explains what separates elite salespeople from the rest, and it’s not just about skill. It’s about the discipline of watching yourself. He breaks down how top performers review their own “game film,” recognize what’s actually happening in the deal, and make micro-adjustments that lead to macro results.If you’re a rep trying to sharpen your edge, or a leader building a culture of accountability and growth, this is a mindset shift you’ll want to hear.Bob Kocis is the author of The President’s Club Mindset, released in December 2025. He has held senior revenue leadership roles across global enterprise organizations for more than 20 years and has spent his career studying what drives sustained excellence in sales.Connect with Bob:WebsiteLinkedInBuy The President’s Club Mindset by Bob KocisResources:Join our live discussion with Bob Kocis on February 10, where he’ll break down President’s Club performance and answer your questions.Wondering how to drive consistent President’s Club-level performance across your entire org as a leader? Check out Force Management’s Predictable Revenue Framework. Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

President’s Club performance is rarely about talent alone. It is built on discipline, preparation, curiosity, and the ability to lead without authority in complex, high-stakes sales environments. In this episode, Bob Kocis joins John McMahon and John Kaplan to unpack what truly separates perennial President’s Club winners from the rest of the field. Drawing on decades of enterprise sales leadership and insights from interviewing top performers across tech, Bob breaks down the habits, mindset shifts, and behaviors that drive consistent elite performance. These include agenda-free listening, proactive selling, building champions, neutralizing enemies, and staying adaptable as markets evolve.Bob Kocis is the author of The President’s Club Mindset, released in December 2025. He has held senior revenue leadership roles across global enterprise organizations for more than 20 years and has spent his career studying what drives sustained excellence in sales.Connect with Bob:WebsiteLinkedInBuy The President’s Club Mindset by Bob KocisResources:Join our live discussion with Bob Kocis on February 10, where he’ll break down President’s Club performance and answer your questions.Wondering how to drive consistent President’s Club-level performance across your entire org as a leader? Check out Force Management’s Predictable Revenue Framework.Key takeaways from this episode:02:00 – Why attitude and effort are table stakes, but curiosity is what separates elite sellers from average performers over time04:20 – How resilience and persistence create unfair advantages in long sales cycles, and why most reps quit one call too early06:00 – Why top performers attract internal resources naturally by leading without authority and acting as the quarterback of the deal14:25 – How agenda-free listening and deep preparation unlock better questions, stronger discovery, and more credible leadership with customers25:20 – Why elite sellers move at a different pace, understand their own conversion math, and operate with extreme self-awareness29:30 – How great reps turn skeptics into champions by connecting pain, solution, and personal win -- not by pushing for the close41:00 – Why the best sales leaders focus on serving their people first, and how that mindset leads to long-term success and legacy Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In this episode, John Kaplan and John McMahon sit down with Jeremy Duggan, President of Multiverse, to talk about a tension every manager feels: how do you genuinely care about your people while still holding them accountable? They dig into a real story of a high-potential rep who wasn’t thrilled about a big quota increase—and what it took to turn resistance into growth. Along the way, they break down how the right intent, honest conversations, and data-backed coaching can elevate performance, and they share the practical frameworks and tools that separate good managers from true leaders.Jeremy Duggan is the President of Multiverse and an advisor to high-growth technology companies navigating scale. He is known for helping leaders transition from managing outcomes to building people-first organizations that deliver extraordinary results.Connect with Jeremy:MultiverseLinkedIn Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

Managing people and leading them are often treated as the same skill, but the gap between the two is where many organizations stall. In this replay episode, Jeremy Duggan joins the conversation to explore one of the most critical distinctions in business leadership: the difference between driving results and developing people. Drawing on real-world experience scaling multiple companies to billion-dollar valuations, Jeremy unpacks why great leaders prioritize belief, execution, and long-term growth over short-term outcomes, and why vision only works when it’s paired with disciplined follow-through. Whether you’re struggling to balance leadership with management or looking to elevate your team to extraordinary performance, this conversation reveals the principles that separate good managers from truly great leaders.Jeremy Duggan is the President of Multiverse and an advisor to high-growth technology companies navigating scale. He is known for helping leaders transition from managing outcomes to building people-first organizations that deliver extraordinary results.Connect with Jeremy:MultiverseLinkedInResources mentioned:Bill Parcells “This is why you lift all those weights” Super Bowl clipKey takeaways from this episode:04:00 – Why great leaders focus on making people great, not just making the work great, and how that mindset consistently produces stronger results08:50 – How difficult conversations, when rooted in genuine care and clear intent, become defining moments that unlock coachability and long-term growth13:30 – Why people want to be led only if they believe a leader can take them somewhere they cannot reach on their own21:00 – How vision shows where you’re going, purpose explains why it matters, and belief bridges the gap between ambition and execution34:00 – Why belief isn’t motivation. It’s built through proof, planning, and helping people see what’s possible before they can see it themselves46:00 – Why leadership without process creates empty inspiration, and management without vision limits performance and development59:30 – How true leadership legacy is measured by the people you develop and the leaders who emerge after you leave Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In this episode, Mark Roberge, author of the upcoming book The Science of Scaling, breaks down why so many companies fail to evolve their Ideal Customer Profile (ICP) despite changing market conditions—and reveals the surprising truth: it's emotional decision-making, not data, holding them back. Discover the game-changing "green, yellow, red" framework that separates truly ideal customers (those with high lifetime value) from those draining your resources, and learn how to strategically reallocate your team's efforts to maximize retention and expansion. Plus, explore how getting your ICP right doesn't just boost sales—it aligns your entire organization, from marketing and product development to customer success, creating a powerful go-to-market engine that drives real scaling.Mark Roberge is the founding Chief Revenue Officer of HubSpot, a senior lecturer at Harvard Business School, co-founder of Stage 2 Capital, and the author of The Science of Scaling and The Sales Acceleration Formula. He is widely known for helping companies design go-to-market systems that scale sustainably. Connect with Mark: Stage 2 CapitalResources mentioned:The Science of Scaling by Mark RobergeThe Sales Acceleration Formula by Mark RobergeForce Management resources on scaling predictably:The Predictable Revenue Framework: Guide for Leaders Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

Scaling often looks like momentum on the surface: more pipeline, more headcount, more pressure from boards and capital. But underneath? Many leaders feel the strain of decisions moving faster than their systems can support. In this conversation, Mark Roberge sits down to unpack why scaling is not a milestone, but a system that must be intentionally designed and continuously recalibrated. Drawing on his experience as HubSpot’s founding CRO, a Harvard Business School lecturer, and the author of The Science of Scaling, Mark offers a clear, data-driven perspective on how leaders can move beyond reactive growth and build systems that scale with intention.Mark Roberge is the founding Chief Revenue Officer of HubSpot, a senior lecturer at Harvard Business School, co-founder of Stage 2 Capital, and the author of The Science of Scaling and The Sales Acceleration Formula. He is widely known for helping companies design go-to-market systems that scale sustainably. Connect with Mark: Stage 2 CapitalResources mentioned:Pre-order Mark's book now. All proceeds will be donated to McLean Hospital, a global leader in mental health research and care.The Science of Scaling by Mark RobergeThe Sales Acceleration Formula by Mark RobergeForce Management resources on scaling predictably:The Predictable Revenue Framework: Guide for LeadersKey takeaways from this episode:04:45 Why scaling too early, often triggered by capital of board pressure, creates more downstream problems than it solves09:20 Why your ideal customer profile is defined by who your sellers actually close, not what’s written in your pitch deck12:43 Why revenue is a misleading indicator of product-market fit (and what leaders should pay attention to instead)13:58 The critical difference between product-market fit and go-to-market fit, and why skipping the latter derails scale19:36 How using leading indicators of retention removes guesswork from growth decisions40:02 Why top-down revenue targets fail, and how bottoms-up capacity planning creates sustainable scale53:55 Why Mark chose to donate all book proceeds to mental health, and why leadership conversations must make room for humanity Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

In this episode of the Revenue Builders podcast, returning guest Doug Holladay joins the show to explore why forgiveness is not just a personal virtue, but a critical leadership skill. Drawing from Doug’s book Rethinking Success and decades of leadership experience, the conversation reframes forgiveness as a way to reclaim mental bandwidth, build trust-driven cultures, and prevent resentment from quietly eroding performance. The discussion moves beyond theory into real stories, practical distinctions, and leadership behaviors that directly impact how teams operate and scale.Doug Holladay is an author, educator, and leadership advisor known for helping leaders examine the internal patterns that shape culture, decision-making, and long-term success. He is the author of Rethinking Success and a frequent contributor to conversations on leadership, humility, and organizational health.Resources mentioned:Rethinking Success by Doug HolladayThe Wounded Healer by Henri NouwenWhat Happened to You? by Bruce Perry and Oprah WinfreyKey takeaways from this episode:01:33 Why holding onto resentment quietly drains a leader’s focus, energy, and decision-making capacity10:45 What most leaders get wrong about culture, and why how you handle conflict matters more than what’s written on the wall12:28 The difference between forgiveness and reconciliation -- and why waiting for an apology keeps leaders stuck23:34 What forgiveness actually looks like in real leadership moments (and why it’s not about fairness or closure)26:44 Why leaders who avoid examining their own role in conflict rarely move forward – even when they’re “right”35:42 Why humility isn’t weakness -- and how strong leaders redirect power instead of using it defensively49:13 How shifting from “What’s wrong with them?” to “What happened to them?” changes the way leaders respond under pressure Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management

Don't miss these resources from Force Management: Read the Guide on Six Critical Priorities for Revenue Leadership in 2026: https://hubs.li/Q03JN74V0Enjoying the podcast? Sign up to receive new episodes straight to your inbox: https://hubs.li/Q02R10xN0 Hosted by five-time CRO John McMahon and Force Management Co-Founder John Kaplan, the Revenue Builders podcast goes behind the scenes with the sales leaders who have been there, done that, and seen the results.  This show is brought to you by Force Management. We help companies improve sales performance, executing their growth strategy at the point of sale.  Connect with Us: LinkedInYouTubeForce Management