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We live in a loud world that’s getting louder. We encounter noise all around us—from the chatter of polite conversations, to street noise in a big city, to the constant intrusion of the dings of notifications. But what is all of this noise doing to us, and what does it mean to find quiet in the midst of it? In fact, what is silence, anyway? How can it affect our minds, our bodies, and our relationships? Harvard and Oxford trained policymaker Justin Zorn and NASA consultant Leigh Marz join host Ron Steslow to discuss their new book, Golden: The Power of Silence in a World of Noise (02:38) What we can all learn from how the Amish evaluate new technology (07:25) The attention economy and why it’s not working for us (13:44) Understanding “ma” and how we can use it to resolve conflict (22:14) Using quality over quantity to measure productivity (26:26) Ways to incorporate silence in your everyday life (35:35) Silence and expanded states of consciousness using psychedelics You should read Golden: The Power of Silence in a World of Noise : http://bit.ly/3UIGJU2 FollowJustin, Leigh, and Ron on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JustinZorn https://twitter.com/LeighMarz https://twitter.com/RonSteslow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

We live in a loud world that’s getting louder. We encounter noise all around us—from the chatter of polite conversations, to street noise in a big city, to the constant intrusion of the dings of notifications. But what is all of this noise doing to us, and what does it mean to find quiet in the midst of it? In fact, what is silence, anyway? How can it affect our minds, our bodies, and our relationships? Harvard and Oxford trained policymaker Justin Zorn and NASA consultant Leigh Marz join host Ron Steslow to discuss their new book, Golden: The Power of Silence in a World of Noise (02:33) Leigh and Justin’s backgrounds (07:04) Why they began practicing silence in their own lives (12:50) Why silence feels scary (18:30) What is noise? (22:12) Internal silence is what people think it is (30:19) The connection between noise and rigid thinking (37:27) The historical significance of silence You should read Golden: The Power of Silence in a World of Noise : http://bit.ly/3UIGJU2 FollowJustin, Leigh, and Ron on Twitter: https://twitter.com/JustinZorn https://twitter.com/LeighMarz https://twitter.com/RonSteslow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Susan Del Percio (MSNBC political analyst and crisis communications expert) and Hagar Chemali (Former spokesperson for the U.S. Mission to the UN) join host Ron Steslow to unpack some of the most important stories of the week and how they’re shaping the political landscape: (02:44) The deal to raise the debt ceiling (19:30) How getting this close to a default impacts the global economy and foreign affairs (33:52) Dianne Feinstein’s return to the Senate, her increasing reliance on aides, and the calls for her resignation coming from the left [Politicology+ Subscribers Only] The Politics of delusion and how our misconceptions about what other people think could fuel an anti-democracy spiral Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Check out Oh My World with Hagar Chemali on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@omwshow Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/DelPercioS https://twitter.com/HagarChemali What we read: Segment 1: NYT—New Details in Debt Limit Deal: Where $136 Billion in Cuts Will Come From NBCNews—Debt ceiling vote live updates: House will take up the Biden-McCarthy plan tonight NPR—Far-right members threaten a 'reckoning' over McCarthy's debt limit deal AP—House debt ceiling vote to avert default on track with Biden and McCarthy both confident of passage | AP News The Dispatch—Loaded With Gimmicks, but Still Worth It - Brian Riedl - The Dispatch Segment 2: AP News—What it would mean for the global economy if the US defaults on its debt | AP News NYT—Republicans Are Putting Our Standard of Living at Risk Segment 3: NYT—Dianne Feinstein Relies Heavily on Staff to Function in Senate - The New York Times WP—California Democrats divided on Dianne Feinstein serving to term’s end - The Washington Post NYT—Why Dianne Feinstein, Like Many Before Her, Refuses to Let Go Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Molly McKew (Lead author of GreatPower.US) joins Ron Steslow to answer a listener's question about how the current war in Ukraine differs from Russia’s invasion of Georgia in 2008 and the annexation of Crimea in 2014 and why support for Ukraine is greater now than it was then. (01:12) Keith’s question (09:40) Russia’s invasion of Georgia (12:00) How unprepared the U.S. was to respond (15:14) Russia’s invasion of the Crimean peninsula (37:00) Why there was so little resistance to Russia’s annexation of Crimea (43:14) How our domestic politics shaped the lackluster response to Russia’s aggression. (47:51) What makes this invasion of Ukraine different? You should check out Great Power: https://www.greatpower.us/ Follow Ron and Molly on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/MollyMcKew Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Frank Sadler (Chief of Staff to Carly Fiorina), Nina Verghese (senior director and head of campaigns and advocacy at APCO Worldwide), and Scott Tranter (Investor and Advisor to Decision Desk HQ) continue their conversation with Ron Steslow about the 2024 Republican Primary and Tim Scott’s campaign announcement. Get more episodes like this by joining our Politicology+ community. Visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Note: due to technical issues, we were unable to remove the background noise on this week’s episode. It’s not up to our usual standards and we’re working to ensure it doesn't happen again. (00:37) Tim Scott’s campaign launch. Watch his ad: https://bit.ly/3MUU1vc (06:18) Tim Scott’s plan to appeal to evangelical voters (08:37) The significance of Tim Scott’s $22 million war chest (15:10) Kellyanne Conway advising Miami Mayor Francis Suarez as he mulls a presidential campaign (19:30) Mike Pence’ plan to return Republicans to their pre-Trump party (23:40) Is there a constituency for Asa Hutchinson and Chris Sununu Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/nverghese https://twitter.com/stranter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Crack the code of the 2024 Republican primary race with the intellectual firepower of four seasoned strategists with 80+ combined years working and running Republican campaigns. This week, Frank Sadler (Chief of Staff to Carly Fiorina), Nina Verghese (Senior Director and Head of Campaigns and Advocacy at APCO Worldwide), and Scott Tranter (Investor and Advisor to Decision Desk HQ) join host Ron Steslow to discuss Ron DeSantis’s campaign announcement and the rest of the 2024 Republican Primary. Note: due to technical issues, we were unable to remove the background noise on this week’s episode. It’s not up to our usual standards and we’re working to ensure it doesn't happen again. (02:40) Ron DeSantis’s campaign launch (07:20) DeSantis hitting his messaging points and leaning into his covid messaging (13:37) The significance of Elon Musk and David Sacks in the launch (18:30) The impact that DeSantis’s ground game spending could have on early primaries (31:37) Trump’s growing lead over DeSantis (35:00) Nikki Haley tries to brand DeSantis as Trump without the charm Watch her ad here: https://bit.ly/45xAnfP (38:14) Haley’s upcoming CNN town hall Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/nverghese https://twitter.com/stranter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

TikTok's potential risk to US national security is raising tough questions about how to address the challenge—legally. With 150 million Americans' personal data possibly falling into the hands of the Chinese Communist Party and fears of election interference via a foreign-controlled algorithm, TikTok finds itself in the harsh glare of the U.S. government's scrutiny. Broad bipartisan support favors aggressive action to ban the platform, but is such action even constitutional? Join Joe Cohn, Director of Legislative and Policy at the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, and Hagar Chemali, former spokesperson for the U.S. Mission to the UN. Together with host Ron Steslow, they dissect the potential impact of the RESTRICT Act that could not only ban TikTok but delegate sweeping power to the executive branch to go even further.Tune in to explore the delicate balance between national security and preserving free speech rights. (03:10) The tensions between national security and the First Amendment (10:39) How Edward Snowden’s leak shows this tension (16:05) The national security risks that TikTok presents (20:52) What is the status quo for determining if national security concerns can trump free speech rights? (23:57 ) What the RESTRICT Act is and what it does (26:23) First Amendment concerns about the RESTRICT Act as it’s currently written (32:03) How this legislation relates to speech codes (43:43) Changes that legislators could make to the RESTRICT Act to better protect free speech (1:05:40) The new Montana Law banning TikTok (1:07:00) How China might respond if the RESTRICT Act passes Check out Oh My World! with Hagar Chemali on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/c/ohmyworldwithhagarchemali Follow Ron, Joe, and Hagar on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/JoeatFIRE https://twitter.com/HagarChemali Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lanae Erickson (Senior Vice President for the Social Policy & Politics Program at Third Way), Al Cardenas (former advisor to Presidents Regan and George H.W. Bush), and Andy Kroll (Investigative Reporter at ProPublica) join host Ron Steslow to unpack some of the most important stories of the week and how they’re shaping the political landscape: (02:22) Sam Altman at the Senate hearing on Artificial Intelligence (26:00) The Durham Report on the origins of the FBI’s investigation into Donald Trump (37:37) The APA’s warning about the harms of social media use for teenagers and record high rates of depression [Politicology+ Preview] President Biden’s politically-savvy push to bridge the degree gap for non-college educated workers. Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/LanaeErickson https://twitter.com/AlCardenasFL_DC https://twitter.com/AndyKroll What we read: Segment 1: Senate AI hearing NYT—Sam Altman, ChatGPT Creator and OpenAI CEO, Urges Senate for AI Regulation - The New York Times Politico—AI hearing leaves Washington with 3 big questions - POLITICO CNBC—Here's what happened during OpenAI CEO Sam Altman's first congressional hearing on artificial intelligence WP—​​AI chatbots won’t enjoy tech’s legal shield, Section 230 authors say - The Washington Post Segment 2: The Durham Report Politico—Takeaways from the Durham report on the Trump-Russia probe - POLITICO CNN—Special counsel John Durham concludes FBI never should have launched full Trump-Russia probe WP—Durham report sharply criticizes FBI's 2016 Trump campaign probe NYT—Durham Report Finds Fault With FBI Over Trump-Russia Investigation - The New York Times Segment 3: Teens and Social Media Gallup—U.S. Depression Rates Reach New Highs NPR—Major psychologists' group warns of social media's potential harm to kids Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Claire Wardle (co-founder and co-director of the Information Futures Lab, and Professor of the Practice at the Brown School of Public Health) joins Ron Steslow to discuss the challenges( and failures) in improving our information landscape (02:12) Claire’s background and how it led to her research (05:52) Why terms like “misinformation,” “disinformation,” and “malinformation” have become less and less useful (08:45) How the real world doesn’t fit the framework of “misinformation” and “disinformation” (10:50) Why we share stories online and how that shapes the information environment (21:40) The problems that arise from research silos (25:13) How platforms can include users in content moderation decisions (37:07) What role do troll farms actually play in information pollution? (39:44) How the focus on foreign actors stops researchers, academics, and government officials from reflecting sincerely on their failures (44:00) Why we share stories online and how that shapes the information environment (50:28) Improving community-led resistance (55:53) How viewing social media users as a product shapes content moderation decisions (1:01:30) How AI could impact the information landscape… Watch Operation InfeKtion from the New York Times: https://bit.ly/3IjJUxo Read Claire’s piece “Misunderstanding Misinformation”: https://bit.ly/3IlSFa1 Watch the video op-ed where the NYT turned Claire into Adele: https://bit.ly/3MzvNq5 Follow Ron and Claire on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/cward1e Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mike Madrid (Lincoln Project cofounder), Lucy Caldwell (Walsh 2020 Campaign Manager) and Romina Boccia (Director of Budget and Entitlement Policy at the Cato Institute) join host Ron Steslow to unpack some of the most important stories of the week and how they’re shaping the political landscape: (02:05) The negotiations for raising the debt ceiling and cutting spending (34:30) The end of Title 42 and the surge in migrants at the U.S.-Mexico border [Politicology+ Preview] The rise of white nationalist Hispanics Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/madrid_mike https://twitter.com/lucymcaldwell https://twitter.com/RominaBoccia What we read: Segment 1: Debt Ceiling negotiations NYT—Biden and McCarthy Reach No Consensus on Debt Ceiling as Possible Default Looms - The New York Times CNN—Biden to meet with congressional leadership again on Friday as threat of national debt default looms | CNN Politics WP—White House leaves door open to deal that resolves debt ceiling crisis - The Washington Post CNN—43 Senate Republicans vow to oppose debt ceiling increase without spending cuts | CNN Politics NYT—What’s in the House GOP Debt Limit Bill - The New York Times NYT—What Would the G.O.P. Plan Actually Do to the Budget? - The New York Times Cato—The GOP’s Modest Debt Limit Proposal | Cato at Liberty Blog Cato—Designing a BRAC-Like Fiscal Commission To Stabilize the Debt | Cato at Liberty Blog Segment 2: End of Title 42 NBCNews—Biden admin to allow for the release of some migrants into the U.S. with no way to track them Pew—Hispanics’ views on key issues facing the nation | Pew Research Center NYT—U.S. Is Said to Consider Reinstating Detention of Migrant Families - The New York Times Reuters—US family immigration detention won't restart 'at this time,' official says | Reuters Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Donna Redel (former Managing Director of the World Economic Forum) joins Ron Steslow to put the biggest financial stories in the news into context (02:00) What would it mean to hit the debt limit? (03:21) What a U.S. default would mean for individuals (04:30) The role of trust in the monetary system (07:00) How does the Fed control money supply (12:50) Why the size of U.S. debt matters (14:50) How Bitcoin is different from other crypto currencies (20:17) How a new dominant currency would impact the U.S. economy (23:23) The difference between our current currency and central bank digital currencies (CBDCs) (27:00) The risks of CBDCs Follow Ron and Donna on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/DonnaRedel Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mike Madrid (Lincoln Project cofounder) and Jon Ward (Chief National Correspondent at Yahoo News) join host Ron Steslow to unpack some of the most important stories of the week and how they’re shaping the political landscape: (02:00) Artificial Intelligence shaking up our political landscape (34:43) J.P. Morgan’s purchase of First republic bank after it collapsed [Politicology+ Preview] President Biden’s “Freedom” messaging in his reelection campaign and his move to send troops to the border in anticipation of a major influx of migrants next week Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. You should read Jon’s book Testimony: https://www.jonwardwrites.org/ Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/madrid_mike https://twitter.com/jonward11 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In Part 2, recorded 9 months after Part 1, Ron Steslow and Robert Chapman (Candidate for President of Zimbabwe) look at how the landscape has changed since they first talked, Robert’s goals for rebuilding the economy and infrastructure in Zimbabwe, why this is in America’s interest, the growing Chinese influence in Africa, the fight for democracy and the challenges his campaign has faced, and his plan to win. (01:40) The security challenges of Robert’s campaign (07:00) Why Robert is running for president of Zimbabwe (14:10) The challenge of economic development (22:10) The state of the campaign (24:52) Corruption and election interference in Zimbabwe (41:00)The Al Jazeera investigation into Corruption in gold mining (53:00) Building critical infrastructure over empty promises (59:39) The importance of stabilizing the currency (1:05:00) The influence of BRICS countries in Zimbabwe Learn more about Robert’s campaign: https://duz.org.zw/ Follow Ron and Robert on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/DrivenChapman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

To unlock exclusive content, visit: https://politicology.com/plus This is a story about human rights, corruption, hyperinflation, rapacious economic development, a currency war, a diaspora, and one man’s mission to make meaningful change for suffering people in a failed state. Robert Chapman (Candidate for President of Zimbabwe) join Ron Steslow to discuss the history of Zimbabwe and his campaign to become its next president : (02:15) Robert’s background and childhood (09:10) Bitcoin and green energy (11:50) Zimbabwe’s war for liberation (16:35) The Reign of Mugabe (23:17) Land reallocation and hyperinflation (29:39) A military coup and its aftermath (35:50) Economic collapse and government corruption Learn more about Robert’s campaign here Follow Ron and Robert on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/DrivenChapman Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Susan Del Percio (MSNBC political analyst and crisis communications expert) and Hagar Chemali (Former spokesperson for the U.S. Mission to the UN) join host Ron Steslow to unpack some of the most important stories of the week and how they’re shaping the political landscape: (02:15) Fox News and CNN fire Tucker Carlson and Don Lemon (20:35) Joe Biden’s anticlimactic announcement that he’s running for reelection and the responses to it (43:03) President Zelensky’s phone call with Chinese Leader Xi Jinping and what it could mean for Xi’s positioning as a global statesman [Politicology+ Preview] The climate activist group deflating tires and losing support for their cause Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Check out Oh My World with Hagar Chemali on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@omwshow Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/DelPercioS https://twitter.com/HagarChemali Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

To unlock exclusive content, visit: https://politicology.com/plus Mike Madrid (Lincoln Project cofounder) and Anthony York (Senior Communications Advisor to Gov. Gavin Newsom) join Ron Steslow to answer Politicology listeners’ questions: (00:30) Why hasn’t Biden done more to codify political norms? (06:16) How social media has changed the way we connect and political organizing (11:31) How should polling about America being “headed in the wrong direction” reflect on the president? (16:26) Do Democrats really just have a communications issue? (20:28) How can campaigns communicate to people who aren’t interested in listening? Have a question for a future Mailbag episode? Send it over to us at [email protected]! Follow Ron, Mike, and Anthony on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/madrid_mike https://twitter.com/anthonyyork49 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Doug Jones (former U.S. Senator from Alabama), Michael Steele (former Chairman of the RNC), and Hagar Chemali (Former spokesperson for the U.S. Mission to the UN) join host Ron Steslow to unpack some of the most important stories of the week and how they’re shaping the political landscape: (02:38) The bombshell report from the U.S. Government's top Afghanistan watchdog (40:44) The settlement in the Dominion Voting Systems defamation lawsuit against Fox News [Politicology+ Preview] America’s police exodus and the challenges with recruiting and retaining police officers across the country Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Watch the interview with Elon Musk here: https://youtu.be/a2ZBEC16yH4 Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/DougJones https://twitter.com/MichaelSteele https://twitter.com/HagarChemali Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Molly McKew (Lead author of GreatPower.US) joins Ron Steslow to discuss the recently revealed leaked intelligence documents, the 21-year-old leaker, the WSJ reporter detained in Russia, and how all of this impacts the war in Ukraine (01:25) **Conversation Update** What we know about the identity and motivations of the leaker and the leak that there are 14 U.S. troops in Ukraine (14:33) What we know about what’s in the documents (25:00) How this can change how Ukraine and other allies share more information with the U.S. (31:00) A detour about Snowden (36:33) How this leak could impact our relationship with other allies (47:00) The potential goals of the leak (53:33) The WSJ reporter detained in Russia (57:40) The visibility of recent Russian hostages (01:10:00) The significance of Finland joining NATO You should check out Great Power: https://www.greatpower.us/ Follow Ron and Molly on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/MollyMcKew Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lucy Caldwell (Walsh 2020 Campaign Manager), Andy Kroll (Investigative Reporter at ProPublica), and James Kirchick (columnist for Tablet magazine and writer at large for Air Mail) join host Ron Steslow to unpack some of the most important stories of the week and how they’re shaping the political landscape: (02:20) The No Labels insurance plan to … re-elect Donald Trump? (34:34) Jon Stewart’s accusation of “corruption” at the Pentagon [Politicology+ Preview] Tim Scott announces an exploratory committee Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/lucymcaldwell https://twitter.com/AndyKroll https://twitter.com/jkirchick Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Richard Reeves (author of Of Boys and Men: Why the Modern Male Is Struggling, Why It Matters, and What to Do About It) joins Ron Steslow to discuss his book and the struggles facing boys and men. (02:04) The toxicity of “toxic masculinity” (08:00) The “right” at war and the “left” in denial (13:00) How negative partisanship only increases the problem (15:00) The differences in funding and institutional support for men and women (23:00) Redshirt the boys (28:00) The criticism Richard has faced for his writing on boys and men You can order the book here: https://www.brookings.edu/book/of-boys-and-men/ Follow Ron and Richard on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/RichardvReeves Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mike Madrid (Lincoln Project cofounder) and Anthony York (Senior Communications Advisor to Gov. Gavin Newsom) join host Ron Steslow to unpack some of the most important stories of the week and how they’re shaping the political landscape: (02:00) The indictment of Donald Trump, how the prosecution could fuel his campaign, and how this could impact the 2024 presidential election (36:26) The new cyber warfare [Politicology+ Preview] California Governor Gavin Newsom’s plan to combat rising authoritarianism in red states Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/madrid_mike https://twitter.com/anthonyyork49 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Anthony York, Mike Madrid and Ron Steslow discuss California Governor Gavin Newsom’s plan to combat authoritarianism in red states. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Richard Reeves (author of Of Boys and Men: Why the Modern Male Is Struggling, Why It Matters, and What to Do About It) joins Ron Steslow to discuss his book and the struggles facing boys and men. (02:13) Richard’s work and how it led to studying boys and men (04:00) The risks if the problems are not addressed (07:30) The gendered education gap (0z8:20) How economic shifts have impacted men (11:20) Intersectionality in the research on gender (30:30) Recognizing these problems as structural and not individual (34:40) Weighing the biological differences between women and men You can order the book here: https://www.brookings.edu/book/of-boys-and-men/ Follow Ron and Richard on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/RichardvReeves Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lucy Caldwell (Walsh 2020 Campaign Manager) and Frank Sadler (Chief of Staff to Carly Fiorina) join host Ron Steslow to unpack some of the most important stories of the week and how they’re shaping the political landscape: (02:06) The shooting at a private Christian school in Nashville (26:06) The influencers pressuring Congress to block a forced sale of TikTok (42:00) Why public opinion polling on federal spending isn’t helpful and Biden’s attacks on Republican proposals for Social Security—the same proposals he made in the senate. [Politicology+ Subscribers Only] Donald Trump kicks off his “Retribution” Tour at a rally in Waco, Texas Listen to our conversation about hate crimes with Michael Masters: https://link.chtbl.com/fNs7kICy Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/lucymcaldwell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You can pre-order Testimony: Inside the Evangelical Movement That Failed a Generation now at https://www.jonwardwrites.org/ Jon Ward (Journalist and author of Testimony: Inside the Evangelical Movement That Failed a Generation) joins Ron Steslow to discuss growing up in the Evangelical Church, “Christian Trumpism,” and his new memoir. (06:05) Why Sarah Palin resonated with so many Christians (10:36) What having difficult conversations can teach you engagement and defensiveness (20:00) Evangelicals showing more fear than faith (28:50) How the structures in evangelical communities enabled Trump to distort reality (31:06) Right Makes Might vs Might Makes Right (36:32) How can outsiders engage positively with Evangelicals on reforming the movement Pre-order Testimony: Inside the Evangelical Movement That Failed a Generation—https://www.jonwardwrites.org/ Follow Ron and Jon on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/jonward11 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Matt Bennett (Executive Vice President for Public Affairs at Third Way) and Beth Fukumoto (former Hawaii House Minority Leader) join host Ron Steslow to unpack some of the most important stories of the week and how they’re shaping the political landscape: (02:44) The Fed’s rate hike in the midst of turmoil for the banking system, how it will impact consumers, and how that could impact our politics (13:00) The Biden Administration’s crackdown on fentanyl at the U.S. Mexico border (23:00) The left-wing media campaign trying to turn the public against U.S. military support for Ukraine [Politicology+ Subscribers Only] The Trump allies buying property around the Capitol to build a MAGA Campus. Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/ThirdWayMattB https://twitter.com/bethfukumoto Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You can pre-order Testimony: Inside the Evangelical Movement That Failed a Generation now at https://www.jonwardwrites.org/ Jon Ward (Journalist and author of Testimony: Inside the Evangelical Movement That Failed a Generation) joins Ron Steslow to discuss growing up in the Evangelical Church, “Christian Trumpism,” and his new memoir. (03:28) Why Jon wrote the book (08:10) Being a “border-stalker” (14:36) The Jesus Movement (21:07) Understanding the different motivations (abortion and race) for Evangelicals joining the Republican party (23:00) The insular church community and how it impacted his worldview (30:00) How Christian belief in the end times impacts action (32:50) The connection between being a spiritual warrior and a political warrior (36:15) Spiritual ecstasy as a sign of devotion to God (and the burnout it caused) (41:41) How anti-intellectualism reinforced the social bubble Pre-order Testimony: Inside the Evangelical Movement That Failed a Generation—https://www.jonwardwrites.org/ Follow Ron and Jon on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/jonward11 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mike Madrid (Lincoln Project Cofounder), Liz Gilbert Cohen (President of the 2020 Democratic National Convention), and Donna Redel (former Managing Director of the World Economic Forum) join host Ron Steslow to unpack some of the most important stories of the week and how they’re shaping the political landscape: (03:07) The Silicon Valley Bank Collapse (34:28) Biden’s Threat to Ban TikTok, national security, and data security concerns [Politicology+ Subscribers Only] Ron DeSantis’s claim that the support for Ukraine isn’t vital to national interest, the ongoing fight over support for Ukraine within the Republican party, and the opportunity it presents for Democrats…if they can seize it. Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/DonnaRedel https://twitter.com/madrid_mike Follow Liz on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lizgilbertcohen/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

What are the psychological forces driving that partisan animosity? What’s causing Americans to vote for anti-democracy candidates? Are there any interventions that might actually work to turn down the heat and save our democracy? Robb Willer, professor of sociology, psychology, and organizational behavior at Stanford University talks with Ron Steslow about Stanford’s Strengthening Democracy Challenge, reducing partisan animosity and support for anti-democracy candidates . (01:31) Robbs background (02:46) The growth of polarization and partisan animosity (15:08) The Strengthening Democracy Challenge (22:40) Negative partisanship and support for undemocratic candidates (29:46) How cues from leaders can reduce support for anti-democracy candidates (32:17) Working together and respectfully discussing differences reduces partisan animosity (37:47) Misperceptions about how how you’re viewed by members of another party fuels animosity (46:47) Is there hope for overcoming animosity and acceptance of undemocratic candidates? (53:16) How to implement these ideas (59:23) The role of emotions in decision making You should check out the interventions we discussed: Elite Cues: https://bit.ly/3TEeS6Z Positive Contact (Heineken Ad): https://bit.ly/3N74PEM Misperceptions: https://bit.ly/3W4iMaN Fear of Democratic Collapse: https://bit.ly/3W4awHO Follow Robb and Ron on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RobbWiller https://twitter.com/RonSteslow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Susan Del Percio (MSNBC political analyst and crisis communications expert), Scott MacFarlane (CBS News Congressional Correspondent), and Scott Tranter (Investor and Advisor to Decision Desk HQ) join host Ron Steslow to unpack some of the most important stories of the week and how they’re shaping the political landscape: (02:25) Tucker Carlson’s release of clips of security footage from the capitol on January 6th and how he’s shaping the narrative about the attack (21:35) Joe Biden’s budget blueprint,his plans for deficit reduction, and how House Republicans are planning to cut costs [Politicology+ Subscribers Only] Washington, DC’s criminal code reform that’s going to fail in congress, Joe Biden’s announcement that he’ll sign a law overruling the City Council and what it means for home rule in the District Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/DelPercioS https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews https://twitter.com/stranter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In the second part of this two part episode, Donna Redel (former Managing Director of the World Economic Forum) and Justin Weitz (partner at the law firm Morgan Lewis) joins Ron Steslow to discuss the downfall of FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried (03:21) What the guilty pleas from other FTX leaders could mean for SBF (09:40) SBF’s “apology tour” and how it could benefit the prosecution (10:32) The charges against SBF filed in December and the superseding indictment issued in February (12:30) How the FTX saga changes the urgency of conversations about regulation (19:30) The impact of the FTX collapse on public perception Follow Ron and Donna on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/DonnaRedel You can find Justin here: http://bit.ly/3L4spDj Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lanae Erickson (Senior Vice President for the Social Policy & Politics Program at Third Way) and Andy Kroll (Investigative Reporter at ProPublica) join guest host Lucy Caldwell to unpack some of the most important stories of the week and how they’re shaping the political landscape: (02:13) Lori Lightfoot’s defeat in the Chicago Mayor’s race and what this signals about voters’ perceptions of crime (39:17) The bombshell revelations about how Fox News in recent court filings [Politicology+ Subscribers Only] The rise of the perennial candidate and consultant grift Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/lucymcaldwell https://twitter.com/LanaeErickson https://twitter.com/AndyKroll Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Donna Redel (former Managing Director of the World Economic Forum) and Justin Weitz (partner at the law firm Morgan Lewis) joins Ron Steslow to discuss the downfall of FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried (03:20) Differences among types of crypto (06:16) How crypto is viewed by federal law enforcement (08:20) Misconceptions about whether and how Bitcoin can be tracked (13:30) Where FTX sat in the industry landscape before it fell apart (17:15) Crypto farming and the” black box” interview Listen to the full "black box" interview from Bloomberg: http://bit.ly/3yyFu0h (29:35) What makes fraud fraud (32:38) What led to the collapse of FTX Watch that debate: https://bit.ly/3IIwwlt Follow Ron and Donna on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/DonnaRedel Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You can complete the survey here: https://politicology.com/feb24questions Mike Madrid (Lincoln Project Cofounder) and Frank Sadler (Chief of Staff to Carly Fiorina) join host Ron Steslow to discuss the 2024 Republican Primary and Nikki Haley’s campaign announcement. (02:54) Why we’re doing an episode about the Republican primary (17:26) Why the Republican primary will be important for Democrats (27:25) Nikki Haley’s launch ad You can watch the ad here: http://bit.ly/41k4c1n (35:16) The timing of Nikki Haley’s announcement (43:00) Nikki Haley’s lane in the primary field (45:51) Nikki Haley’s Fox News Sunday interview (47:20) Fundraising off Don Lemon’s comment that Haley is “past her prime” Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/madrid_mike Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Anne Applebaum (Pulitzer Prize winning historian) and Tom Nichols (staff writer at The Atlantic ) join Ron Steslow to discuss Russia’s invasion of Ukraine that is now a year old, how it has changed the way the world operates, and where we go from here (01:42) How the world has changed as a result of Russia’s invasion (06:40) How the network of autocracies empowered Putin's invasion (17:07) War being fought in the information battleground (28:00) Ukraine’s values argument shaping perception of the invasion (35:33) The importance of civic patriotism (39:35) The impact the war in Ukraine will have on the global fight for democracy Follow Ron, Anne, and Tom on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/anneapplebaum https://twitter.com/RadioFreeTom Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mike Madrid (Lincoln Project Cofounder) and Justin Talbot Zorn (Cofounder of Astrea Strategies) join host Ron Steslow to unpack some of the most important stories of the week and how they’re shaping the political landscape: (02:26) The train derailment in East Palestine Ohio (26:13) Joe Biden’s plan to request the largest DOD budget in U.S. history (42:24) The House Oversight Committee’s investigation into the Biden family and what it could mean for a reelection campaign [Politicology+ Subscribers Only] Dianne Feinstein announces she won’t run for reelection in a California Senate race that could be the second biggest election of 2024 Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/madrid_mike https://twitter.com/JustinZorn Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jay Schweikert ( research fellow with the Cato Institute’s Project on Criminal Justice) joins Ron Steslow to discuss the qualified immunity doctrine, its origins, and how it stands in the way of protecting civil rights (03:05) What qualified immunity is and how it developed (04:21) How does it stop people from holding law enforcement accountable (11:05) How courts determine that a “clearly established right” has been violated (23:44) The importance of qualified immunity reform in any policing reform discussion (31:19) The arguments against ending qualified immunity (40:05) How qualified immunity applies to public employees beyond law enforcement (44:39) The goals of civil rights lawsuits (46:00) Potential avenues for qualified immunity reform Follow Ron and Jay on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/jay_schweikert Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mike Madrid (Lincoln Project Cofounder), Al Cardenas (former advisor to Presidents Regan and George H.W. Bush), and Liz Gilbert Cohen (President of the 2020 Democratic National Convention) join host Ron Steslow to unpack some of the most important stories of the week and how they’re shaping the political landscape: (02:26) The State of the Union (26:13) The border crisis (42:24) The Chinese spy balloon, “deepfake” misinformation campaigns, and co-parenting with the CCP [Politicology+ Subscribers Only] New York Times article about the Republicans making education issues a centerpiece of their campaigns Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/madrid_mike Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Catherine Sanderson (Poler Family Professor and chair of the psychology department at Amherst College) joins Ron Steslow to discuss emotional intelligence and how it impacts success in the workplace, politics, and our everyday lives (01:40) What emotional intelligence is and how we measure it (03:55) Why emotional intelligence is important (07:03) How self-awareness impacts emotional intelligence (10:15) How you can build self-awareness (13:05) How regulating your emotions shapes your emotional intelligence (16:20) Ways you can improve how well you manage and regulate your emotions (21:19) The importance of grit in emotional intelligence (24:43) Emotional intelligence and being a moral rebel (39:39) The “dark side” of emotional intelligence (41:39) Why emotional intelligence needs a moral backbone (50:53) How you can improve your emotional intelligence You can measure your emotional intelligence using this test: http://bit.ly/3DPYxpX Follow Ron and Catherine on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/SandersonSpeaks Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lucy Caldwell (Walsh 2020 Campaign Manager) and Lanae Erickson (Senior Vice President for the Social Policy & Politics Program at Third Way) join host Ron Steslow to unpack some of the most important stories of the week and how they’re shaping the political landscape: (02:15) The killing of Tyre Nichols and the renewed push for policing reform (24:33) Biden and McCarthy meet in the Oval Office to begin talks on raising the debt ceiling (41:12) The Atlantic piece about how our constant need for entertainment has blurred the line between fiction and reality Read We’re Already Living in the Metaverse: http://bit.ly/3HUqLSP [Politicology+ Subscribers Only] New York Times column about whether and how long Democrats can hold together the new ‘Vote Blue No Matter Who!’ Coalition Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/lucymcaldwell https://twitter.com/LanaeErickson Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Molly McKew (Lead author of GreatPower.US) joins Ron Steslow to discuss the ongoing war in Ukraine, the United States and Germany sending tanks to Ukraine and how Ukraine is preparing for another Russian offensive as we head toward spring (01:32) What led to the U.S. and Germany sending tanks to Ukraine and how it will shape the war (14:36) What other resources Ukraine needs for the next phase of fighting (21:05) What should we expect to come next in the war (24:14) Russia’s attempts to push Belarus into the fighting You should check out Great Power: https://www.greatpower.us/ Follow Ron and Molly on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/MollyMcKew Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Mike Madrid (Lincoln Project cofounder) and Hagar Chemali (Former spokesperson for the U.S. Mission to the UN) join host Ron Steslow to unpack some of the most important stories of the week and how they’re shaping the political landscape: (03:12) The FBI finds more classified documents at President Biden's Delaware home, former Vice President Mike Pence’s lawyers find classified documents in his home. (23:00) Ruben Gallego’s announcement that he’s running for the Arizona Senate seat in 2024 You should check out Gallego’s announcement ad: https://bit.ly/3HaqnxU (44:07) The Wisconsin Supreme Court election and campaigns losing any pretense of judicial neutrality [Politicology+ Subscribers Only] A new plan to get conservative voters to respond to climate messages—as long as they don’t come from liberals Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. You should check out Hagar’s YouTube Chanel, Oh My World: https://www.youtube.com/@omwshow Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/madrid_mike https://twitter.com/HagarChemali Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Pat Condo (Founder and CEO of Seekr Technologies) joins Ron Steslow to discuss the media landscape, their search tool that uses Artificial Intelligence to index websites and news stories to rate the content so readers can make better informed choices about what they read. (02:26) From navigation technology to search technology (05:46) Why he decided to create Seekr (37:50) What makes Seekr different from other search engines (44:22) The incentive structure for news organizations (51:20) How Seekr measures political lean in articles (55:20) How AI generated news stories can change the media landscape (1:02:06) Pat’s end goal in creating Seekr You should check out Seekr: https://www.seekr.com/ Follow Ron on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Susan Del Percio (MSNBC political analyst and crisis communications expert) and Andy Kroll (Investigative Reporter at ProPublica) join host Ron Steslow to unpack some of the most important stories of the week and how they’re shaping the political landscape: (03:14)The evolving story about President Biden’s lawyers finding classified documents and the lack of transparency from the White House (24:41) The looming fight over raising the debt limit and a more responsible way Republicans could lower spending (43:33)ChatGPT, the AI chatbot taking the world by storm, how it could mike our lives easier, and what it could do to our politics [Politicology+ Subscribers Only] Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene renounces QAnon on FOX News and how viral conspiracy theories are hurting democracy . Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/DelPercioS https://twitter.com/AndyKroll Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Susan Del Percio, Andy Kroll, and Ron Steslow discuss Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene renouncing QAnon on FOX News and how viral conspiracy theories are hurting democracy. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

James Kirchick joins Ron Steslow to discuss his book Secret City: The Hidden History of Gay Washington (01:55) Why he wrote the book (06:43) The interwoven political history and gay history in Washington (14:33) The melting pot of the gay community and why it was seen as a threat (19:55) The trope that whatever is bad must be gay (31:51) The Lavender Scare (35:53) The tension between the gay loyal foot soldiers of Ronald Reagan and courting the religious right (49:00) What was challenging about writing the book You should read Secret City: The Hidden History of Gay Washington: http://bit.ly/3wgiORk Follow James Kirchick and Ron on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jkirchick https://twitter.com/RonSteslow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Lanae Erickson (Senior Vice President for the Social Policy & Politics Program at Third Way) and MIke Pesca (Host of the Gist and Not Even Mad) join host Ron Steslow to unpack some of the most important stories of the week and how they’re shaping the political landscape: (02:28) Insurrectionist Speaker Kevin McCarthy, the concessions he made to get the gavel, and how it could impact the House (23:53) The news that classified documents were found in Joe Biden’s former office (33:12) The parallels between the January 6th attack on the Capitol and the riots in Brazil last weekend [Politicology+ Subscribers Only] Joe Biden’s pivot toward the center ahead of an expected 2024 campaign and how the move could help Democrats hold on to some non-college educated voters . Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/LanaeErickson https://twitter.com/pescami Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Founder and CEO of Grassroots Analytics Danny Hogenkamp joins Ron Steslow to discuss how digital fundraising and the incentives of the outrage economy have changed the way campaigns bring in money and how it influences our political landscape. (03:50) The traditional role of fundraising in political campaigns (11:11) Why he decided to create Grassroots Analytics (15:31) The demographic shifts among donors to Republicans and Democrats (27:51) The shift from high dollar to grassroots fundraising on campaigns (32:22) The impact of the outrage economy and hyper-performative politics on fundraising (36:03) How donor lists can move from campaign to campaign (39:50) The use of A.I. in writing fundraising emails (47:06) The criticism that Grassroots Analytics is a “donor pimp” (51:07) More political races are starting earlier and earlier Check out Grassroots Analytics: https://www.grassrootsanalytics.com/ Follow Grassroots Analytics and Ron on Twitter: https://twitter.com/grassroots_data https://twitter.com/RonSteslow Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Katie Hill (Former Congresswoman), Lucy Caldwell (political strategist) and MIke Madrid (Lincoln Project cofounder) join host Ron Steslow to unpack some of the most important stories of the week and how they’re shaping the political landscape: (03:01) Kevin McCarthy’s struggle to secure the gavel as Speaker of the House (38:38) Elise Stefanik’s move from Paul Ryan’s protege to his greatest political disappointment [Politicology+ Subscribers Only] The George Santos Scandal, why the lies should have been exposed during the campaign and one congressman’s proposal to punish politicians who lie about their education and work history Politicology+ is our private, ad-free version of this podcast, with subscriber-only episodes, strategy, and analysis. To join us there, visit politicology.com/plus or subscribe in Apple Podcasts. Follow this week’s panel on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://twitter.com/madrid_mike https://twitter.com/KatieHill4CA https://twitter.com/lucymcaldwell Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

To unlock exclusive premium content, visit: https://politicology.com/plus On the anniversary of the attack at the Capitol, photographer Gabriella Demczuk walks listeners through her firsthand account of the January 6, 2021 insurrection, from Donald Trump’s “Stop The Steal” rally on the National Mall to the gallery of the House chamber as rioters breached the Capitol. (03:01) Getting the assignment for January 6 (05:45) Reading the crowd at the rally (07:35) Rep. Madison Cawthorn, in his own words (10:30) Back to the U.S. Capitol (12:46) Looking out the East Front (13:33) Capitol under lockdown (16:25) Trying to do our jobs (17:10) Sheltering in the House chamber (25:53) Bursting the “safe space” bubble (30:01) Reflections walking home (32:43) [Lack of] Republican remorse (34:33) The fragility of democracy What Madison Cawthorn Saw At The Insurrection by Olivia Nuzzi Want to help build Politicology? Contribute now at https://politicology.com/donate Follow Ron and Gabriella: https://twitter.com/RonSteslow https://instagram.com/gdemczuk https://twitter.com/gdemczuk Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices