415: Making the Best of Goat Castration

Making the Best of Goat Castration

[00:00:00] Welcome to the Brett and Jeff Show

[00:00:00] Brett: Welcome back to Overtired. Um, I want, uh, to have special theme music when it’s just a Brett and Jeff episode. It’s a Brett and Jeff episode! Brett and Jeff episode! Womp womp. Yeah, that works. Um,

[00:00:21] Jeff: fair enough.

[00:00:22] Brett: Well, it’s me, Brett Terpstra, here with Jeff Severins Gunthal. How you doing, Jeff?

[00:00:26] Jeff: I’m,

[00:00:28] Brett: Yep, there you go.

[00:00:29] Jeff’s COVID Experience

[00:00:29] Jeff: I’m, I’m getting over Covid. Uh, and I’m good. And I’m good.

[00:00:33] Brett: was so well timed.

[00:00:35] Jeff: Yeah, I

[00:00:35] Brett: not even, I’m not even gonna edit out the cough. That was just

[00:00:38] Jeff: No, it’s fine. It’s, it’s true. What’s true is what’s true, is true. You know, can’t hide the truth.

[00:00:44] Brett: So, how did you get COVID?

[00:00:46] Jeff: I don’t know. Transmission, uh,

[00:00:49] Brett: Aerosols.

[00:00:51] Jeff: aerosols, who knows? My groceries. Probably it was my groceries. I stopped wiping them off and I knew I shouldn’t stop wiping ’em off. Um, I [00:01:00] don’t know. I was traveling.

[00:01:01] Jeff: I don’t know.

[00:01:01] Brett: Yeah, traveling.

[00:01:03] Jeff: Yeah, I don’t know.

[00:01:04] Jeff: I was, I mean, I helped my, helped my, uh, firstborn move into his dorm. So I was around a lot of, a lot of people

[00:01:12] Jeff: that weekend. That might’ve been it.

[00:01:14] Jeff: That might’ve been it.

[00:01:15] Brett: I got home from Maxstock and got an email that someone at Maxstock reported being, testing positive for COVID.

[00:01:24] Jeff: It’s really, I mean, from what I understand, this strain is super contagious. Like so many people I know have It

[00:01:30] Jeff: It can, it really can still kick your

[00:01:32] Brett: yeah, totally.

[00:01:33] Masking and Public Perception

[00:01:33] Brett: And, and we’ve kind of, we’ve stopped taking precautions. Like even liberals have mostly stopped wearing masks except for people who are immunocompromised and are mad at everyone else for not wearing masks. But, um, yeah, it’s kind of, I don’t, I get it. I don’t want to wear a mask anymore.

[00:01:56] Brett: Like I want it to just be over, but it’s really not.

[00:01:59] Jeff: I, [00:02:00] for me, when I put them on, like, I, um, it just triggers so many fucking bad memories. And, and so I, I, as soon as I feel the heat of my breath in a mask, I’m just like, God damn it. I mean, I was a masked person to the end and, and M, I mean, I masked, I had to go one place and it was a big box store. I mean, it was better than a big box store.

[00:02:19] Jeff: It was Fleet Farm, but I, and that place is always like, A, empty and gigantic. And I was, I think on the end of my I think I was, I probably was past being contagious, but anyway, I was careful. I wore a mask.

[00:02:32] Fleet Farm Adventures

[00:02:32] Jeff: But because I was at Fleet Farm, which is like, it’s a demographic. I mean, I’m part of the demographic

[00:02:38] Jeff: for sure.

[00:02:39] Brett: they are big Trump supporters. it’s a

[00:02:41] Jeff: yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and, and yeah, lots of bubble trucks in the, in the, uh, in the parking lot. But I knew, cause I,

[00:02:48] Jeff: I,

[00:02:49] Brett: of camo

[00:02:49] Jeff: I remember wearing, um, I remember wearing a mask early days to Fleet Farm, because I am part of the Fleet Farm demographic. My son actually made a Fleet Farm out of clay [00:03:00] in eighth grade. Um, but like, I, I remember going into Fleet Farm early days before everyone was wearing masks, but when like, when the liberals were wearing masks.

[00:03:10] Jeff: And I, I, I remember just walking in feeling like I was ready to fight. I was just like, I was feeling defensive. I was like, why are you fucking looking at me? I’m wearing a mask, motherfucker. And I went in, I went in this time, no reason to believe that’s, that people were thinking anything about me wearing a mask, but I went in the same way.

[00:03:27] Jeff: I’m like, you want me to fucking cough on you? Like, I literally had like an attitude

[00:03:31] Brett: No, I, I have, I have, I have literally done that exact same thing at the exact same store.

[00:03:37] Jeff: yeah, yeah,

[00:03:38] Jeff: yeah, you gotta have, I bet you have a great fleet farm in

[00:03:40] Jeff: Winona,

[00:03:40] Brett: a fleet farm. I could walk to my fleet farm. It’s so

[00:03:44] Jeff: Oh, that’s like, let’s live in a dream.

[00:03:47] Brett: um, the, uh, the big, big news about our local fleet farm was Ivanka Trump showed up to pretend like she was of the people

[00:03:59] Jeff: she there to buy [00:04:00] horse hairspray? Because

[00:04:00] Jeff: that’s something you can buy there.

[00:04:02] Brett: had, like, a photo op with, like, some stuffed animals or

[00:04:05] Jeff: I remember this, actually. I remember this. Yeah,

[00:04:08] Brett: It was.

[00:04:09] Jeff: Stuffed animal. I mean, if you’re going to do a photo op of Fleet Farm, you have so many options. Like, there is a whole, there’s a whole horse section where you

[00:04:15] Jeff: can get horse, you can get horse toys,

[00:04:17] Jeff: you can get horse hairspray. There’s a

[00:04:19] Jeff: section in my hometown where we have not Fleet Farm.

[00:04:23] Jeff: But, Farm and Fleet.

[00:04:25] Jeff: Um,

[00:04:25] Brett: Wisconsin thing, isn’t it?

[00:04:27] Jeff: that was Iowa, too.

[00:04:28] Jeff: It’s Blaine’s or Blair’s, I forget, which I always get that wrong, even though I’ve been going since I was a kid. But you can get like, um, a bag of 100, 150, uh, goat, um, castration bands, which, Which look like the kinds of rubber bands you use for braces, which is terrible, because

[00:04:44] Jeff: they’re that small.

[00:04:45] Brett: holy shit.

[00:04:46] Jeff: But what’s funny is my son and I, my youngest and I were there and we were, I like to, when I go to a new fleet farm or farm and fleet, I walk it because it, it all is a little different. If you’re in a, a more rural area. So my hometown is like a farming community slash [00:05:00] factory community. You’re going to get a lot more like proper farm stuff than maybe like in just.

[00:05:04] Jeff: The immediate suburb of Minneapolis. So I walk every aisle, any fleet farm or farmer fleet I go into, cause I just love seeing what’s there. So we see these like goat castration bands. My, my partner’s like, you’re not buying those. I was like, they’re a buck 50. Like you never know when you’re going to need a small rubber band.

[00:05:20] Jeff: And then, and then my son notices right after I say, you never know. Cause it’s some things you look at and you’re like, I can use that for problem solving down the road. You know, not just for, not just for goat castration. And, and all of a sudden my son notices that they’re using the goat castration bands to hold price tags onto all of the little price tag holders.

[00:05:40] Jeff: And I was like, see, see, but I haven’t been back without her yet. And I mean, whenever I do go back without her, I’m buying my, I asked for him for a stocking, stocking stuffer this year. So we’ll see. But

[00:05:51] Brett: Yeah.

[00:05:52] Jeff: you know, I love a good, You know, something you can look at and go, I can problem solve with that.

[00:05:56] Brett: It might be the only gift you get.

[00:05:59] Jeff: That’s fine.

[00:05:59] Jeff: I [00:06:00] really want them. I can’t stop thinking about them. It’s like when someone mentioned some like shitty food that you shouldn’t eat that, that, you know, you know, the second they mentioned it, all you’re going to think about till you actually get it is that thing, Fruity Pebbles are like that. Fuck. I did it. for me. But anyway, but yeah, so I, yeah, I had COVID, I was traveling.

[00:06:18] Parenting and College Drop-Off

[00:06:18] Jeff: I dropped my, my, um, oldest off at a, at a college far away and, and that was a life experience. And now I’m on the other side of that and COVID.

[00:06:27] Brett: Well, welcome back to, I guess, normal existence. Minus one sun.

[00:06:33] Jeff: Yeah. Minus one, one son. It’s pretty wild,

[00:06:37] Jeff: but I was able to sleep in his room while I had COVID. That was a bonus. I met, I called him and I was like, your bed is super comfortable. And he goes, thanks.

[00:06:48] Brett: Did you, did you spend more on his mattress than on your own?

[00:06:52] Jeff: No, his mattress is like the one we had back when we lived in New York when he was like a little baby. Um, and it’s still super comfortable. So, [00:07:00] mission accomplished? I don’t know.

[00:07:02] Brett: I still have, I still sleep on a, on a, Oh God, I don’t even remember. I think it’s purple. I got, I, over the years I’ve gotten two mattresses, uh, from people that sponsored our shows, um.

[00:07:17] Jeff: Casper.

[00:07:18] Brett: Casper was the first one, which now Elle has. And then the second one, whatever it was, is the one I still sleep on. And they’re, they’re very comfortable.

[00:07:29] Brett: You know, the ones that show up in like a two foot by four foot box and like you unroll them. Um,

[00:07:37] Jeff: like back in the Halcyon days when every podcaster had a Casper, a Synology, and a Sonos system?

[00:07:44] Brett: Synology sent out, Oh, I would

[00:07:46] Jeff: Well, they would have sent, probably to the ATP guys. Maybe That’s

[00:07:49] Jeff: separate. That’s probably its own thing. You could send them things and it’ll really be worth it.

[00:07:55] Brett: Um, I, speaking, let’s do a [00:08:00] mental health corner.

[00:08:01] Mental Health Corner

[00:08:01] Brett: We’re kind of already, we’re kind of already in it as is the way our show

[00:08:05] Jeff: We’re already, we’re already in the corner.

[00:08:08] Brett: Um, the only thing I have to report, I’ve been taking a break from therapy, not intentionally, just scheduling over the summer. Um, and I’ve gotten really bad about like doing parts work on my own.

[00:08:21] Brett: Like I just, I just would rather go to

[00:08:24] Jeff: we have therapists.

[00:08:25] Brett: Yeah. Um, and. I did make the mistake. So I’ve been taking, in order to fall asleep these days, I need, I think I’ve talked about this, an excessive amount of gabapentin. Um, I’ve tried like all kinds of FDA approved sleeping, uh, medicines and none of them did anything and I was still not sleeping.

[00:08:47] Brett: So gabapentin was the answer. I take the maximum allowable amount, 1800 milligrams of

[00:08:55] Jeff: It’s like one, one bottle.[00:09:00]

[00:09:00] Brett: It’s three 600 milligram tablets, um,

[00:09:03] Jeff: I haven’t, I don’t know what to compare. Like what’s a, so what would a, like, I’m just starting out a dose

[00:09:09] Brett: 300 milligrams.

[00:09:10] Jeff: okay. Got it. Ugh.

[00:09:12] Brett: Um, it, I think is the normal, like, we’ll try this first and see how it goes. So I went from 300 to 600 to 1200 to 1800 and 1800 works. I stay asleep most of the night. I still, I get up around five after six to seven hours of sleep. Uh, I went to a sleep study, uh,

[00:09:33] Jeff: When?

[00:09:33] Brett: I went to sleep medicine, um,

[00:09:36] Jeff: Oh, not like an overnight,

[00:09:37] Brett: it, well, they, it was a home, they, they sent me home with this thing that you wear a wristband, a chest monitor, like sticks to your chest, and then it has like audio.

[00:09:50] Brett: It can detect you snoring. It detects you breathing. It detects your oxygen and pulse. And, and I just wore that overnight at [00:10:00] home. Um, and they diagnosed me with minor sleep apnea, like 3%, which was so low that. My local vendors wouldn’t supply me with a CPAP. Um, so I had to drive to La Crosse, Wisconsin or, or La Crosse, uh, La Crosse, La Crosse, Wisconsin.

[00:10:23] Brett: And, and I got, I got my CPAP and I’m trying so hard to get used to it. And I don’t think it makes any difference in how I sleep. And so the next step with that is like CBT, uh, for sleep, which.

[00:10:41] Jeff: behavioral therapy. Oh,

[00:10:44] Brett: Um, so I, I’m going to keep trying the CPAP for a while, but anyway, all this is to say, so I’m taking all this gabapentin and just for shits and giggles, one night, L and I made root beer floats [00:11:00] with, um,

[00:11:00] Jeff: did it. Now I got to have one of those.

[00:11:02] Brett: with, with THC laden root beer,

[00:11:07] Jeff: The, the whole cereal. Okay. Got it. I don’t

[00:11:11] Jeff: know what that is. THC. What’s that? Oh, but it’s

[00:11:13] Brett: Uh, sure, yeah, Delta 9 THC, which has

[00:11:18] Jeff: Delta variant.

[00:11:21] Brett: it has very minimal effect on me and I didn’t even, I felt a little bit relaxed, but then I took my gabapentin and there was an interaction and I conked out, slept through the night, woke up like at like 8am, tried to stand up, got so dizzy, I just.

[00:11:41] Brett: Passed out back in bed and the effects didn’t wear off for like 24 hours.

[00:11:48] Jeff: I know, because I sat in this lonely, lonely room waiting for you to come on to record and I was like, this is not like Brett, except for the one time, I think, that you were totally crashed out at recording time. Long time ago.[00:12:00]

[00:12:00] Brett: Yeah, well, this was

[00:12:01] Jeff: Normally, you’re the guy that’s like, hey, everybody on? Alright, ten minutes, let’s go.

[00:12:05] Brett: Yep, yep, I’m usually first one at the party, last to leave. Um, yeah, yesterday was rough and I tried to like, work, but I was just so, um, dazed and like everything I said came out like monotone. I was just very low affect and it was, so I’m, until I stopped taking gabapentin, no more THC for

[00:12:31] Jeff: like a, there’s a interaction, that’s a serious interaction,

[00:12:34] Brett: Yeah, I looked it up, and, like, they talk about, uh, interactions with alcohol and with THC, and it’s not, like, highly studied, but multiple studies have shown, um, they actually use gabapentin in the treatment of THC addiction.

[00:12:52] Jeff: Oh, really?

[00:12:53] Jeff: Like to make it almost like when you make the thing, like when a

[00:12:56] Jeff: dog gets an ointment so that when they lick it, it hurts,

[00:12:59] Brett: Right, [00:13:00] or those, there’s like treatments for alcoholics that make you violently ill whenever you drink. Um, and I, I think that might, I don’t know anything beyond the fact that they verified that there were interactions with THC and gabapentin. But anyway, how are you?

[00:13:19] Jeff: I’m good, but, uh, CPAP, I just have to say one thing about CPAP. Did you ever see the person who made an Alien Facehugger cover for their CPAP?

[00:13:29] Brett: No.

[00:13:29] Jeff: Well, it’s going in the show notes, baby, right now. It’s amazing. Um, and terrifying looking, actually.

[00:13:37] Jeff: Uh,

[00:13:37] Brett: Do not think I could sleep with that. Mine just goes over my nose.

[00:13:41] Jeff: oh, okay, not a full, like, uh, whatever,

[00:13:43] Brett: It’s not a full mask. It like, it works with a beard and it’s pretty, it’s pretty small. I have trouble breathing out through it though. Like I get

[00:13:54] Jeff: ugh, that sounds, that made me feel a tightness in my chest as he’s saying

[00:13:59] Brett: Yeah, that [00:14:00] big breath in is no problem because it’s assisted and then you try to breathe out and it’s like pushing against, well, resistance and, um, it does cause feelings of panic.

[00:14:14] Brett: Um, and it’s really hard to fall asleep when you’re panicking on a regular

[00:14:18] Jeff: you got a new problem.

[00:14:20] Brett: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[00:14:24] Jeff: doing good. I, you know, um, I don’t want to.

[00:14:28] Emotional Reflections

[00:14:28] Jeff: I know doing parent stuff when you’re not a couple of parents can be tedious or if you’re listening or whatever, but I do want to say that it was complete and utter agony leading up to dropping my son off at college. I mean, agony, like, I know that it is not a death and I don’t mean to minimize the experience of people dying.

[00:14:49] Jeff: I wouldn’t minimize it just based on my own terrible experiences with it. But one thing. that I experienced in like the morning of especially was like, it was like [00:15:00] almost like a natural causes death where like, You can’t be mad at anybody? You can’t turn it around? You almost can’t understand it? Like, how the fuck did we get to this point?

[00:15:10] Jeff: Like, I you were just this little thing, you know? And now you’re this, like, grown ass man who’s going to college? Uh, you know, and if you were just looking at Me, it’d be a first generation college student. Uh, but my wife has two master’s degrees. So he, I always knew he could choose. He was like, Oh God, don’t follow me.

[00:15:31] Jeff: Um, but it was, I mean, it was, it was awful. And, and I was just, and I don’t. I don’t cry easy, and this is not a point of pride, um, actually I, I cry so easily in movies or shows or if I hear a sad radio

[00:15:44] Jeff: story, but um, but in, in other parts of life when it would be good to cry, uh, not, not so easy, and I was just on and off, I was like low grade crying for like two days, like I was sniffling, like anything, I couldn’t say words related to him leaving, [00:16:00] in even like the most logistical way without like choking up.

[00:16:03] Jeff: Um. But I realized something that was pretty important. I should say that like after dropping him off, it was really lovely. I mean, like, I felt really proud and excited and kind of in awe of him. And that quickly replaced the agony. And that’s more like me. I’m not Someone to like, overly grieve something that isn’t real.

[00:16:28] Jeff: Um, I might do it in a flash. I might think about how, when I think about the fact that my wife or I will die before the other, most likely, uh, and when we don’t know which one that is, there are times when I think of that and it gives my heart a stop, a start, whatever. I guess it doesn’t stop or start because it’s already going.

[00:16:45] Jeff: Um, but like overall, I don’t. And. And I had to stop myself like, uh, months ago, last summer, actually, when I realized it was the last summer with him, everything we did that was a normal summer thing, it was like, the last time we would do it. And it was killing me. [00:17:00] And I had to decide, and I probably discussed it in a mental health corner on this show, like, I can’t spend this year grieving something that’s not even here yet.

[00:17:08] Jeff: Like, I will be able to grieve it when it happens. And that helped for a while. And then I had the agony. And I actually, like, one of those days when I was sort of like, just Low grade crying. I was like, okay, this is awful. And I realized that like, I wasn’t crying through it. I was crying at it. Like I wasn’t moving through it.

[00:17:30] Jeff: I was moving at it. The thing,

[00:17:32] Jeff: right? Like the transition, the move. Like I was, I was just like, I was approaching it. Like it was a wall I had to slam into. And, and then like what helped me a little bit for those couple of days, but really, really helped me when I had a felt sense of it afterwards. It’s like, no, it’s just move through this.

[00:17:47] Jeff: Don’t. Don’t charge it, don’t move at it. Like this is something that’s, it’s inevitable. It’s just happening. You can’t stop it. And it’s beautiful. And it’s, it’s hard. And it’s, it’s all those things at once. That helped me a lot [00:18:00] in that last day, but it didn’t, it didn’t mean I didn’t experience agony. Anyway, in the days since, like.

[00:18:06] Jeff: It’s been a little over a week, like, I can’t believe, because I tell people he is like, um, a great roommate. We don’t have, we have a great relationship. He has a great relationship with my wife. He has a great relationship with his brother. Um, they’ve never fought, like, that I can remember, except when they were little kids and they would have little, whatever, stupid baby fights.

[00:18:26] Jeff: But like, um, I love having him around. And, and so that, that is strange, but it’s, Yeah, I’m so relieved that I, that I hold it as something really sweet and

[00:18:41] Jeff: beautiful, and I hope the best for him. He said, you know, we were talking, he’s like, it’s pretty cool to make my own decisions every minute of the day. that is pretty cool.

[00:18:50] Jeff: Like, you’ll lose that. You’ll lose

[00:18:51] Jeff: that. You’ll, you’ll have it for the next like five, maybe 10 years. Then you’ll lose it. I didn’t say that. I don’t say shit like that. I don’t say shit like that. Uh, [00:19:00] cause I think that’s just not Awesome stuff to say as a parent. Just let him, let him have it. Anyway, so like, I’m feeling really good and that, and that’s a, that is a mental health thing.

[00:19:11] Jeff: Like I, I worried I’d just be like curled up in a ball for a week or two, but it’s been really nice.

[00:19:17] Jeff: So, and it helps that he texts me back mostly. Um, but yeah, so anyway.

[00:19:22] Brett: So this, uh, this crying on a hair trigger. Did you always have that or did that develop later in life?

[00:19:30] Jeff: definitely developed later in life.

[00:19:31] Jeff: I’ve had it, I’ve had it for probably like a few years that I can remember. It definitely increased after I became a parent. I just became more emotional,

[00:19:40] Brett: didn’t become a parent. I just suddenly, like a commercial could. And not outright. Not like tears running down my face, but like choked up, can’t talk. Like eyes, eyes watering a little bit. And. And like, I just choose not to say anything in those times so it doesn’t come out all choked up,[00:20:00]

[00:20:00] Jeff: yeah, right.

[00:20:01] Brett: like anything even remotely emotional or about like someone with, in like pain or someone who’s experiencing like hope.

[00:20:12] Brett: Um, and like anything that causes an emotional reaction, I react to, and I don’t know if it’s like medication changes or just aging or, you know, I, I don’t know, but like something, something happened and now I tear up, uh, it’s stupid.

[00:20:31] Jeff: Yeah,

[00:20:31] Brett: not stupid,

[00:20:32] Jeff: no, but like,

[00:20:34] Brett: I’m easily emotionally manipulated and I hate that when something, when it feels like I just teared up over something that was designed to be a tearjerker.

[00:20:45] Brett: Um, and then I get mad at the thing. Um,

[00:20:49] Jeff: I think it’s funny because I definitely do it and I do it very secretly. Like I, if somebody is, or it’s really would only be watching TV with my partner, but like, um, I just have a little [00:21:00] heave in my

[00:21:00] Jeff: chest. When something happens,

[00:21:02] Jeff: but like, it’s, it is a little out of control. Cause like I was listening to a baseball game, not even a huge baseball fan, but I do like listening to games.

[00:21:10] Jeff: I was listening to a game and the beginning famous Minnesota twin, Joe Maurer was, was inducted into the baseball hall of fame. I don’t give a shit about Joe Maurer. I don’t give a shit about the baseball hall of But he was giving a speech. And by the way, the baseball player giving a speech, uh, you know, to the, to the fans about, you know, thank you for all the years, whatever it, baseball players do not give emotional speeches.

[00:21:31] Jeff: And this was not one, but just in him expressing all the years he spent and all that it meant to him to have crowd this big. You know, to be able to do this thing. I did the thing. And I was like, damn it.

[00:21:46] Brett: Right.

[00:21:46] Jeff: a shit about Joe Maurer. Like, he seems like a super nice guy. But like, that’s fine.

[00:21:52] Jeff: There’s lots of nice guys. Um, so yeah, it’s out of control. It’s out of hand.

[00:21:57] Brett: Yep. All right. Uh, where are we? [00:22:00] 21 minutes in.

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[00:23:07] Brett: Those are the unmanaged devices, shadow IT apps, and non employee identities like contractors. Most security tools only work on those happy brick paths, but a lot of security problems take place on those shortcuts. 1Password Extended Access Management is the first security solution that brings all these unmanaged devices, apps, and identities under your control.

[00:23:30] Brett: It ensures that Every user credential is strong and protected, every device is known and healthy, and every app is visible. 1Password Extended Access Management solves the problem traditional IAM and MDM can’t. It’s security for the way we work today. And it’s now generally available to companies with Okta and Microsoft Entra, and in beta for Google Workspace customers.

[00:23:56] Brett: Check it out at onepassword. com [00:24:00] slash product slash xam. That’s onepassword. com slash product slash xam. And now, hit I wanted to play. I love One Password. I was on a Zoom call with somebody yesterday. And I had to log into Oracle’s cloud, interface there, ue. And um, I just quick hit my keyboard, shortcut it, it loaded up.

[00:24:29] Brett: ’cause they have a PAs key login for Oracle now. So it, I loaded up, uh, the little thing comes up, I sign it with my passkey. Uh, it also requires a password that , because Oracle is. Logins suck. Um, but 1Password filled that in for me automatically, and, and my coworker was very impressed. I guess they have not been using password managers, which seems odd in this day and age, [00:25:00] but,

[00:25:01] Jeff: Why do that when you’ve got a Google Doc? Called Passwords.

[00:25:04] Brett: right.

[00:25:05] Brett: Um, yeah, but like the Passkey, uh, integration, I started using it with SSH credentials, uh, which is cool. But here’s the problem I ran into. And I want to talk to 1Password about this, but, um,

[00:25:21] Jeff: this is where you go to camera one and you talk to one

[00:25:23] Brett: yeah, 1Password, uh, can’t meet me at, meet me at camera too. Um, I. So it’s great to have logins from Terminal pop up and I can just authenticate with like my watch or whatever.

[00:25:37] Brett: But if I am logged in over, say, an SSH session, or I’m using TMUX, then I don’t get the pop up. Uh, because it pops up on a remote machine, and then my process hangs, and I need a way to force the identification when there’s an [00:26:00] SSH session to use my, like, uh, private keys in my ssh folder instead of the 1Password identity management.

[00:26:11] Jeff: Okay, Mr. Terpstra, I’m gonna put you on hold and try to get a manager for you.

[00:26:16] Brett: But anyway, yeah, 1Password. I’ve been using it for, Jesus, like a decade or more. And I’ve been using it since it was called 1Pissword.

[00:26:28] Jeff: What? That’s a thing?

[00:26:31] Brett: The original name was 1Pissword. SSWD.

[00:26:37] Jeff: Oh yeah, back in the fuckavowel days.

[00:26:41] Brett: back in the Flickr days. Um, yeah, so I’ve been using it since before they rebranded. That’s all, like, that’s all I know. I lose track of time, but I’m a die hard user. I’ve actually worked for the company in the past, but I wasn’t good. They fired me.

[00:26:59] Jeff: You weren’t good. [00:27:00] Did you compromise security?

[00:27:02] Brett: No, I just failed.

[00:27:04] Customer Support Onboarding Challenges

[00:27:04] Brett: So when you first start, everyone, no matter what your position is, is required to do customer support. Um, and like, that’s how they kind of onboard you is by throwing you in and

[00:27:18] Jeff: It’s like being an apprentice at a machine shop. Alright, you’re sweeping up the shavings.

[00:27:23] Brett: and, and I did not do well with that. And so I felt like I never really integrated into the team. And then I, I had like some ADHD procrastination going on and I was working two jobs and I just kind of failed at being a strong employee for

[00:27:44] Jeff: And now you won’t even read the fucking ad read in Leave It Be.

[00:27:50] Brett: No,

[00:27:50] Jeff: changed! Nothing’s changed, Brad!

[00:27:52] Brett: I love them. I feel bad, but. Yeah.

[00:27:56] Jeff: Well, anything, you know, loving and feeling bad, they’re interchangeable. [00:28:00] Um,

[00:28:02] Brett: Like love and hate, uh, two sides of the same coin. I get that. But

[00:28:07] Jeff: yeah?

[00:28:08] Brett: loving and feeling bad, that just seems dark.

[00:28:11] Jeff: Hm.

[00:28:13] Mental Health and Emotional Struggles

[00:28:13] Jeff: Back to mental Meet me back in the mental health corner.

[00:28:17] Jeff: Alright, you got business.

[00:28:18] Brett: yeah.

[00:28:19] Political Commentary and YouTube Recommendations

[00:28:19] Brett: So speaking of Minneapolis, have you ever heard of Leija Miller?

[00:28:23] Jeff: No.

[00:28:24] Brett: She’s a lawyer out of Minneapolis who has a YouTube channel where she talks about Um, mostly politics. Um, her last video was about why the left is so bad at organizing. Um,

[00:28:40] Jeff: a favorite, a favorite talking point of people.

[00:28:45] Brett: she digs into, like, how, like, unionization is at an all time low and how the right, um, has very, kind of, they have history on their side, um, like the country [00:29:00] had, like, misogyny and, uh, racism built in from the beginning, and so a party that Feeds on those things has a built in advantage and, uh, people can be, um, the, the, the right, the conservatives have one, one difference, and that is that they see the world as a hierarchy.

[00:29:25] Brett: Uh, everything is hierarchical. You

[00:29:28] Jeff: Whereas the liberals play out the world as a hierarchy and pretend there isn’t one. Yeah, exactly. I

[00:29:35] Jeff: got it. I see you, Nancy Pelosi.

[00:29:37] Brett: But yeah, yeah, God, Neolibs and yeah, like I’m, I’m talking more about progressives than I’m talking about liberals, but like for conservatives, like the idea that there are winners and there are losers, um, erases their need to try to level the playing field through government [00:30:00] intervention, uh, whereas progressives see.

[00:30:03] Brett: More of the gray area and why they want, they want to remove things like racist policies, um, that. that don’t, that, that make the playing field so unlevel and conservatives just outright don’t want to do that. And so it’s really easy to message to conservatives. But anyway, I’m, I’m just, I’m, I just want to recommend the YouTube channel, Legion Miller.

[00:30:30] Brett: Um, I’ll link it in the show notes. And I just, I, I was curious because she is from Minneapolis, so I didn’t

[00:30:36] Activism and Personal Experiences

[00:30:36] Jeff: Back in, in my Iraq activism days, I, uh, I would do just about anything up to risking my life, but I would not carry a fucking sign. And that is why progressives can’t organize. It’s just, there’s too much room for that kind of bullshit.

[00:30:53] Brett: Yeah,

[00:30:53] Jeff: Carry a sign, guy. Chant out loud, guy. No, I won’t do it, man.

[00:30:58] Jeff: There’s too much nuance.

[00:30:59] Brett: I [00:31:00] did the Black Block when I was

[00:31:02] Jeff: Yeah, which is like, Which is like, put a fucking bandana on your fucking face and what? And get drunk.

[00:31:11] Jeff: I’m not gonna lie.

[00:31:12] Brett: it’s

[00:31:13] Jeff: And and if you’re lucky, cash your trust fund check. That’s that’s 70 percent of Black Block. I know that. I’ve done the research, but not you. It’s not you, my man.

[00:31:22] Brett: Um, that was not my experience with Black Block. It was mostly gutter punks and, um, people who, I guess, yeah, could afford to be activists, which is kind of a privileged

[00:31:36] Jeff: No, but that’s okay. I’m not actually dissing on that. I just, Black Block guys, it’s too easy for the law enforcement to pretend they are them. That’s one of my problems.

[00:31:47] Brett: Impersonation.

[00:31:48] Jeff: Yeah, I’ve also, I’ve also never lied. I mean, in terms of the bandana thing, I’ve always been super against hiding your face and your identity and your intentions, even though it makes total sense.

[00:31:59] Jeff: Uh, [00:32:00] but it, but it doesn’t make sense if you’re not actually working towards something meaningful, which for me, The Black Block folks were like chaos agents and they were young.

[00:32:08] Jeff: and and to me, it’s like, you’re not even working towards something. If you were Daniel Berrigan, uh, who, this Catholic prie