412: Weirdly, A Sports Episode

Weirdly, A Sports Episode

[00:00:00] Introduction and Host Welcome

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[00:00:02] Brett: Hey, you’re listening to Overtired. I am Brett Terpstra. I am here with Christina Warren. Jeff is out this week, but filling in, we have Jay Miller. Welcome to the show, Jay.

[00:00:15] Jay: What’s up? It’s always good to be here. Also, sorry if I sound not like me. I’ve been, I’ve been conferencing a lot lately. So,

[00:00:24] Christina: The voice, the voice goes out a little

[00:00:25] Brett: good. You sound good.

[00:00:27] Jay: the voice is always low.

[00:00:29] Christina’s California Adventures

[00:00:29] Brett: And Christina just got back from California.

[00:00:32] Christina: I did. I did. And I’ll be back in California in a week.

[00:00:37] Brett: That’s a lot of California.

[00:00:38] Jay: That sounds like my July.

[00:00:41] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. Um, this, this was not like an intended thing. Like, Christina thought that she was going to be in California. Last week, and then was asked to, well, thought that the ask was to be in California for maybe a day or two next week.

[00:00:56] Christina: Turns out, no, I misinterpreted some things, or maybe some things are [00:01:00] misinterpreted to me. Regardless, I’ll be in San Francisco the week of the 24th through the 28th, so

[00:01:07] Brett: started that in the third person and finished in the first person. That was a,

[00:01:11] Jay: I love it.

[00:01:12] Brett: that was a cool transition.

[00:01:14] Jay: I, um, I made the, the concerted commitment with the job that I’m at to not travel a lot. And then after.

[00:01:21] Travel Plans and Pet Dilemmas

[00:01:21] Jay: Uh, my wife and my daughter are planning a month long trip, um, also to California and I’m staying home to do work. It was like, well, I could probably travel a little bit more. So the, the week of like July 8th, I’m going from New York, from New York to Toronto.

[00:01:43] Jay: I’m back home for two days, then I fly back to New York, and then I’m there for another four more days. I get back, I’m back for a week, and then I fly to London for the Relay event. And I was just like, I did not realize how stupid I was in all of my [00:02:00] bookings.

[00:02:00] Christina: right, right. Yeah, it totally, if you thought about that more, like, you probably would not have, like, gone back and forth between, like, Toronto and and home just to come back to New York,

[00:02:11] Jay: Well, it’s like I have to, I would have to pay And like, our, our company was like, we’ll pay for the event plus a day before and after. So I was like, okay, that’s awesome. But that also means that I like fly home for three days and do nothing. And then like, do I even get my dogs out of like the pet hotel at that point?

[00:02:34] Jay: Or like, do I just leave them in?

[00:02:35] Brett: Of course you do. You gotta see your dogs.

[00:02:39] Jay: I mean, they’re kind of dumb. I love them, but they’re kind of dumb.

[00:02:44] Christina: Well, no, but that is like a hard thing to figure out like yeah Cuz you’re there like just long enough where you’re like, okay It does make sense for me to pick them up, but I’m gonna have to drop them back off Anyway, probably the day before I leave depending on when I’m leaving. So you’re like, okay So is it worth it for 24 [00:03:00] hours, right?

[00:03:00] Christina: Like is it like yeah, that that that That’s a hard calculus.

[00:03:04] Brett: I think it would take me like two weeks to miss my dog. Um, like she’s lovable in short bursts, but Man, like, give me a week away and I’m like, oh, man, I don’t miss that dog.

[00:03:18] Jay: I feel like it’d be cool if I could just do visitation rights. Just like, Hey, can I just go to the pet hotel and be like, Hey, I see you.

[00:03:24] Brett: There you go.

[00:03:25] Jay: look

[00:03:25] Christina: I mean, honestly, I mean, honestly, that would be the best thing. You’d be like, look, I’m going to continue to pay you continuously. But like, I would love to take, can I take the dog out? Can I take him out for a walk?

[00:03:34] Brett: Yeah. You get all, you get all the fun, the visitation. You’re like the, the divorced dad who, who gets to like spoil his kids on weekends and then doesn’t have to do childcare the rest of the week.

[00:03:49] Christina: Mom is so pissed. Mom in this case is, is, is, is the pet hotel. Although the pet hotel is getting

[00:03:54] Jay: they’re getting paid. You’re getting, you’re getting dog support. Like, I feel like

[00:03:57] Christina: to say

[00:03:58] Brett: like alimony. [00:04:00] I’ve never been, I’ve never had kids. I don’t know what I’m talking about.

[00:04:04] Christina: Yeah, I, same, but, but I was gonna say this is, this is gonna be like double alimony, right? This is like double child support.

[00:04:09] Christina: You’re like, oh, mom, you get, you get this and the kids get stuff. So like, actually don’t be as much of a bitch about this, because I promise.

[00:04:16] Jay: of a broken home, it tracks.

[00:04:19] Brett: Oh, wow. I wonder how many people we just offended. Or, or hurt. Happy Father’s Day!

[00:04:26] Christina: Yeah.

[00:04:26] Jay: Yeah.

[00:04:30] Christina: Oh my god. I have to, I have to call, I have to call my dad,

[00:04:33] Brett: Yeah, I remembered, I remembered like an hour before this, I sent my dad a Amazon gift card. Um, which is what I do on stupid holidays like Father’s Day and Mother’s Day. I’ll show up for a birthday.

[00:04:46] Jay: They called me, so I feel like, I feel like that was their hand of like, Oh, I should probably tell them Happy Father’s Day. I

[00:04:54] MHC: Family Visits and Birthday Plans

[00:04:54] Brett: Um, So yeah, if I could start a mental health corner, it’s actually kind of [00:05:00] related. Um, I went to breakfast with my parents, which I haven’t done for like a year because of the whole like religious trauma, complex PTSD thing, and I showed up and they had hidden all of their religious stuff. Uh, they took down like God is love stuff off the wall.

[00:05:21] Brett: They took all the like, uh, they had like Newsmax magazines and stuff. Last time I visited and all of that was hidden. Everything that could trigger me was hidden away and it felt super respectful. And the conversation stayed on like family and work and. Nothing triggering, and it was actually a pretty good visit.

[00:05:42] Brett: We decided we’ll try to do it monthly moving forward instead of weekly. But yeah, I was impressed. Yeah. Um,

[00:05:51] Jay: feel like quarterly would have been my goal. Like, I, I, I love, like, Seeing my parents and then [00:06:00] having that space, like, I mean, this whole move out east was to be like in between my parents and my grandparents. And it was like, great, Thanksgiving comes around, Christmas comes around, birthdays, like

[00:06:13] Brett: you have to, do they show up at your place in between? Do you have to host them?

[00:06:18] Jay: Yeah, which I don’t mind, like, I mean, we have the space now. And like, honestly, the kitchen that we we grabbed, like, the big selling point was the double ovens. So that like, Cooking and doing the big, the big family get togethers is, it’s like, kind of like, you can do it. Um, and then they’ll bring stuff, so that’s always nice.

[00:06:39] Jay: But yeah, instead of people complaining that, oh, it’s a five hour drive, or it’s a flight, it’s like, well, now it’s a two hour drive. And, um, Yeah, and I’ll make that like, I’ll go visit my mom for Mother’s Day or whatever, and then I’ll go up and visit my grandparents for their birthdays, and then, you know, at that point, I’m seeing someone once a quarter, and I’m like, this is good.

[00:06:59] Jay: This [00:07:00] is, this is just enough

[00:07:01] Brett: Yep. That sounds about right. Someday I’m going to get a real house that I can like host people in. Um, I don’t, I would have like a two day limit on anyone visiting. Um, back when I had a house with Aditi, like her parents would come for like a week and that it’s just too much time to share a house with your parents.

[00:07:23] Brett: Um, So like two day, two day, maybe three days on special occasions. But like, I have a birthday coming up in July and I’m trying to organize a birthday party and we can comfortably host like four people at my house and I haven’t had a birthday party in, Um, I was supposed to do a hitchhiker’s themed party for my 42nd, but then COVID happened.

[00:07:50] Brett: And so I just, I haven’t had a party and I really like my birthday. Like, uh, if. If I don’t get enough happy birthday [00:08:00] attention, I get depressed about it. Like, I crave that, like, it’s my special day and I’m not a guy who’s going to be like, it’s my birthday week and everyone has to celebrate me for a whole week, but for one day, one day show up, just say happy birthday.

[00:08:15] Brett: Um, and, and I’m happy. I don’t need gifts. I don’t need any of that. I just need attention. So I’m throwing a party and I’ve invited 25 people. Six of them have confirmed that they are coming, and two maybes, and maybe the rest of my friends just don’t check Facebook that often, or they’re ignoring me, which I get, I get.

[00:08:36] Brett: I invited some people that I know peripherally.

[00:08:39] Christina: No,

[00:08:39] Brett: Yeah, you think so?

[00:08:40] Christina: I think, I think it’s the Facebook thing. You might need to find like an alternate way of inviting them.

[00:08:45] Brett: It’s just the easiest way to put an event together,

[00:08:48] Christina: You’re not wrong. You’re not wrong, but people don’t use Facebook anymore.

[00:08:52] Brett: Yeah,

[00:08:52] Jay: I’m, I’m just incredibly impressed that you have, like, friends that you didn’t meet on the internet.

[00:08:58] Brett: I do. I have [00:09:00] like, I have like 25 people right here in, in town.

[00:09:04] Christina: Yeah, that’s amazing. I have, I, I have 25 people I could invite to my birthday. They are not in Seattle.

[00:09:10] Jay: Yeah, like,

[00:09:12] Brett: I

[00:09:12] Jay: my friends that are local I met on the internet.

[00:09:15] Brett: I considered inviting people from Minneapolis, but I just don’t feel like my birthday is important enough to make that two and a half hour drive. So, you know. Okay, I’m gonna shut up. I, I watched, uh, uh, a guy, a city planner who reviews cities did a thing on YouTube about Minneapolis, and he was really impressed with like the neighborhoods, Dinky Town, Uptown, Sewer, uh, not sewer.

[00:09:46] Brett: What is it called?

[00:09:47] Jay: That’s a lovely

[00:09:48] Brett: it sounds like soot, soot, sewer. Wow, I forgot the name of it. But anyway, um, he was really impressed with that. But downtown, because it’s, because it’s Minnesota, downtown is [00:10:00] all skyways. Um, like you can walk from like downtown to like Target State, Target. Stadium all in Skyways and you can navigate the whole city and never see street level.

[00:10:15] Brett: So a lot of businesses are up on like the second story and it’s like one big strip mall and there’s really no like downtown walkable. It’s kind of a desolate lot of cars. I mean, there’s some bike paths, but anyway, I digress.

[00:10:32] MHC: Jay’s PTSD and Conference Experiences

[00:10:32] Brett: So Jay, how are you doing?

[00:10:34] Jay: Um, I’m, I’m doing better. Um, I had to go back and figure out when was the last time I was here and it was in January. So I was like, okay, what’s happened since January? PTSD is what has happened since January. I’ve had a corporate offsite in Spain, which was great, except for it wasn’t because we were stuck on a like hotel, basically like the [00:11:00] hotel attached to an amusement park.

[00:11:01] Jay: But if like the amusement park was like a discount Six Flags,

[00:11:07] Brett: Okay.

[00:11:07] Jay: And the actual event was planned by the amusement park staff, so they really didn’t want you leaving.

[00:11:15] Christina: Oh no. So you, you, you’re instead of being like at a Disney resort, which could be annoying and frustrating, but at least it’d be a Disney resort. You’re at not even a Six Flags.

[00:11:25] Jay: yeah, I was at like four flags. It was, it was great. Um, but eventually I just said screw that and then I snuck out and then actually went into like Tarragona, Spain and had an amazing time. Um, but the event was You know, your normal startup, corporate, you know, all hands get together. Flashing lights, loud noises, no visual sensitivity or photosensitivity warnings anywhere, the same food for five days.

[00:11:57] Jay: You know, it’s, it’s what you expect. [00:12:00] Um, and yeah, since then I’ve been having these weird like anxiety attacks following like loud noises. And I, I got diagnosed with PTSD a while back, but I. Felt like it was more tied to like trauma and not like tied to bangs or anything. Like I’ve never, I’ve never been in a combat zone.

[00:12:21] Jay: So like, it doesn’t make sense to, to have that. But there, there’s like a level of like, I don’t feel safe here, including with loud noises that have been triggering like really bad panic attacks. And, um, Yeah, that happened this past week at Render. Um, for those that don’t know who are listening, Render Atlanta is like this conference that I think was supposed to be one thing at one point, and then when they learned we can make a ton of money off of this, so now it’s slowly evolved into like South by Southeast.

[00:12:54] Christina: They’re trying.

[00:12:55] Jay: Yeah, that’s how they promote it. So

[00:12:58] Christina: I’m curious what your [00:13:00] take was from the event, because I’ve been the last two or three years, I wasn’t able to be there this year, and yeah, I’m bothered by their attempt to call it a South by Southeast thing, because I’m like, you’re not South by Southwest, you don’t want to draw those comparisons right now, like, you’re not ready for that, like, which,

[00:13:17] Jay: also don’t want to go to South by Southwest.

[00:13:19] Christina: there’s that, but it’s also like, for me, like, it’s just, I’m kind of like, you had this really good thing.

[00:13:24] Christina: You’re not actually ready to be in the conversation of a South by Southwest. You’re not actually there yet as, as an event. People will have, people will have expectations for, for what an event will be, and it’s not that.

[00:13:36] Brett: our, our tourist center tried to make our town slogan keep it weird.

[00:13:41] Christina: Oh

[00:13:41] Brett: I was like, you, you can’t, you, we’re a, we’re a town of

[00:13:45] Jay: It’s already taken.

[00:13:46] Brett: Yeah. It’s a, it’s not, it’s not a comparison that we are, um, safe drawing.

[00:13:52] Jay: Yeah. So like, the, the really good of Render is that everybody that I want to see except for Christina, who wasn’t there [00:14:00] this year, like, is there. Like, it, You have YouTubers, like someone, someone introduced themselves as like, Hi, I am a social media influencer on Instagram. Can I take a picture of your outfit?

[00:14:13] Jay: And I was literally wearing like a company t shirt and like some cargo pants and like some clean, like brand new Adidas. And I was like, I mean, I guess. Like, I don’t, I didn’t, I didn’t think that I dressed up for this, but sure.

[00:14:30] Brett: I would have said Define Influencer.

[00:14:32] Jay: I mean, it’s, whatever.

[00:14:34] Christina: trying to be nice.

[00:14:35] Jay: yeah, if the company is happy and they want to keep paying for me to go to places, then like, you know, as long as it’s on, I have some say in it, then cool.

[00:14:44] Jay: Um, but yeah, no, that was great. Like, I mean, Ashley was there, um, Emily Freeman. Like if you’re in the DevRel space, like all of the major people in DevRel were there, like across all

[00:14:59] Christina: there. [00:15:00] I think like all my, all my friends were there and, and I was with my other friends who were in, you know, San Jose. It was like, it was very hard for me. I was like, I wanna be with all my friends at once. Why do they have to be the same week anyway?

[00:15:12] Jay: and I, and I, I got to, I mean, I had several conversations with like Kelsey Hightower and like so many folks and I, it was, it was one of those things where a lot of people that I have spoken with online and that I look up to and that I talk to on a regular as like in kind of a mentor, mentee relationship with me being the mentee were like there, I got to, I got to let Ashley win her own, like her first pie raffle.

[00:15:39] Jay: So I went to Pie Bar. Um, for those that don’t know, uh, Ashley Willis McNamara. Um, I can never remember which

[00:15:47] Christina: It’s, it’s Will, will, will. Willis. Is Willis. Willis, but it used to be back in America, but Yes, but it’s Willis and she’s the

[00:15:53] Jay: Um, but yeah, she would award, she would like, I think once a month or something, buy a [00:16:00] pie for a random, uh, one of her, her employees. And. Ashley and Christina were two of the people who interviewed me for my role at Microsoft.

[00:16:12] Jay: And I, I had heard about this and one of the interview questions that when she’s like, Oh, do you have any questions for me? I was like, yeah, what pie do you like? Because I had seen this and I had heard about this. So like, you know, we had that conversation. So the last day of render, like I stopped at pie bar in Marietta on the way and like bought her a whole pie.

[00:16:33] Jay: It was like, here. I was like, where are you? And she’s like, Oh, I’m outside the expo. I was like, all right, I’ll be right there. And I show up with like this, like grub hub order. And she’s like, Oh my God, is that a pie? And I was like, it is. It’s a pie.

[00:16:45] Brett: we’re talking about actual edible

[00:16:47] Christina: yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:16:48] Brett: I just assumed, I just assumed we were talking about raspberry

[00:16:51] Christina: No, no, no, no, no. Although

[00:16:53] Jay: this is a physical

[00:16:54] Christina: although Ashley would also love raspberry pies to be clear. She would love those. She has them all over her office, but no,

[00:16:59] Brett: ever buy like [00:17:00] gluten free pies for people?

[00:17:01] Christina: would buy whatever pie they want.

[00:17:03] Brett: Wow.

[00:17:04] Christina: Like, like, I got, like, I got an amazing cherry pie or an apple pie or something, but it was freaking great.

[00:17:08] Christina: Like, she’d get you whatever type you want.

[00:17:10] Brett: That’s awesome.

[00:17:11] Jay: but, but the, you know, the downside of that is this event is incredibly loud. It’s very well marketed and in my opinion, very poorly organized. And that is, that is just someone who spent several years trying to figure out how to put on my own conference and interacting with probably over a hundred conference organizers at this point across multiple like communities.

[00:17:37] Jay: I think all of them would say that this was a poorly organized event. There were like six tracks with five other associative things going on all at the same time. There were talks during lunch, so like people have to choose, am I going to go to this talk or am I going to eat? And Basically, at the end, they were like, well, we [00:18:00] hired really big names to come and give like the closing key, like Shannon Sharp gave the closing keynote.

[00:18:04] Jay: And I like, I was like, this is kind of cool. It also probably costs a ton of money. The speakers didn’t have a green room. The speakers didn’t have water, which I was like, that’s wild. Like the VIP, like they had like a VIP area, which they upcharged for people to be able to go to unless you were a speaker.

[00:18:25] Jay: They were literally just tables. Like there was no, like no drinks, no snacks, like nothing. And I was just like,

[00:18:33] Brett: What were the tables for?

[00:18:35] Jay: I guess if people wanted to like get away and that’s what it seemed like is that you were paying for privacy. And I was like, this feels weird. Um, I don’t, I kind of don’t like that, but at the end I bumped into a friend who’s Dominican and I was like, yo, this is going to sound like kind of racist, but do you love baseball?

[00:18:54] Jay: And he goes, why, because I’m Dominican? And I was like, yes. And he’s like, yes, I absolutely love baseball. [00:19:00] And I was like, how about we blow the keynote and just go to a Braves game instead? And then I proceeded to have like, one of my friends who I’ve known for years, which is why I was okay asking if they like baseball, even though I knew they were Dominican, they probably like baseball.

[00:19:13] Jay: Um, but we went to like, probably one of the best games I’ve been to. And I’ve been to like 15 games in the last. So like, it felt absolutely amazing, and I know that that event was the reason that that happened, but at the same time, like, the event itself just put me in such a bad place, and I had like, I had a couple of PTSD events while I was there, which is like tying it all together.

[00:19:41] Jay: Um, So yeah, like I’m better now now that the events over like me and my daughter hanging out this week we’re just like we’re just chillin my wife is away and Yeah, like I’m in a good spot now, but jeez last last week was It’s horrible.[00:20:00]

[00:20:00] Christina: I’m so sorry to hear that and like and it sucks. I think you’re right Like I I’ve always really enjoyed render, but I felt the same way in terms of the organization to me It’s been one of those things where I’m like, I’m gonna put up with like the lack of Organizing stuff like because the the hallway track and stuff is so important and is so good that like that’s fine for me, but I’m glad to get your experience on that, but also that’s just like, that sucks, especially with your PTSD, you know, getting like triggered and

[00:20:35] Brett: Not feeling safe.

[00:20:36] Christina: not feeling good and not having, not having, you know, like not having like adequate rooms for speakers.

[00:20:42] Christina: Right. Like that to me is, is like a, I can forgive a lot of stuff, but the thing is, is like Shannon Sharpe. You know that he had water, you know what I mean? You know that they, they, they, like, had, like, proper arrangements for him. Um, as they should, to be very clear. Like, he’s, he should absolutely [00:21:00] be given, like, all the things.

[00:21:01] Christina: But, like, you, I don’t know, if you’re going to have a speaker like that there, you’re going to have, like, you need to have a decent VIP experience for all of your speakers,

[00:21:12] Jay: And, and that was kind of like my biggest upset, like upset about the entire just situation was again, having talked to so many organizers, like we’ve had so many conferences in the Python ecosystem that are, that have shut down since COVID. Like, and a lot of it is just due to lack of sponsorship. And it’s not like people are asking for hundreds of thousands of dollars, like, Pi Ohio is a free event that’s like, one day, and it was held at, at Ohio State, now they’re having, they’re having to actually have it in like a different venue.

[00:21:45] Jay: And like, 15, 000 is enough to probably fully fund that event. To like cover its operating costs, and they can’t find sponsors. Like, no one will sponsor, and this event’s been going on for almost a decade. So it’s just [00:22:00] like, It’s wild that, you know, PyCon US struggled with sponsors. You know, PyOhio and these small regional conferences are struggling with sponsors and events like PyTennessee and PyCarolinas and PyColorado have just shut down.

[00:22:14] Jay: And, you know, I’m doing what I can to sponsor some of these events with, you know, Black Python devs and stuff now that we’re a non profit. But, I mean, we have a total operating budget of 20, 000. So like, we would go bankrupt sponsoring like one of these events outside of like what we’re like, what we’re promising them, which is like 600, 700.

[00:22:37] Jay: But even then, like that is going miles for some of these organizers. And then when we look at like, What was the marketing budget for Render? I would have loved for Render to be able to like just sponsor some of these conferences out of their marketing budget and be like, Hey, come to Atlanta. And it would, it would do the thing that these conferences always promised to do, which is like [00:23:00] build the community, build up a healthy ecosystem of diverse developers all over the, you know, all over the U.

[00:23:06] Jay: S. And It’s like, it’s, it’s really, it’s just a money making thing. And that’s where like, to me, I’m okay. I’m okay with them calling themselves, you know, South by Southeast or whatever, because what I think that’ll do is that will remove the idea of this is a technical conference for like developers. And it’s more of, this is an influencer event.

[00:23:28] Christina: Yeah, I mean, if that’s what they want to do, I guess that’s what they need to do. I still feel like, um, I, and maybe it was different this year, but I know like last year, like, and they, and they, even the year before that, like, they’ve tried multiple times to like have additional music and other sorts of content alongside it.

[00:23:41] Christina: And it’s, it has flopped. It has not been good. And so that’s part of the thing where I’m like. You can’t call yourself like this Omni Conference if you’re not like it’s a great meetup time and it’s a great space for people, you know, to get together and like, yeah, if you want to call it an influencer thing, that’s fine.

[00:23:57] Christina: I just feel like you’ve got to be careful. Like South by Southwest [00:24:00] like has like a very like is an actual music festival is an actual film festival is an act, you know what I mean? Like has actual stuff for that. Like, Render does not. So if they want to be on that level and get the money that can go along with that, like, you know, to your, like, I think that they’ve been able to be really successful getting money because it’s been, you know, kind of a, a good place for, for a lot of like, uh, you know, tech people to come and, and, and tech companies to, to come and feel like they can, you know, hopefully, um, You know, like engage with like a community that frankly a lot of tech companies don’t engage with and, and, and all that stuff.

[00:24:39] Christina: Um, but if you’re going to go like into this Omni thing, yeah, if it’s really going to bring in a lot of people. Um, I think you’re right. I think the organization in general probably just has to step up. But I’ve always had a really good time, but the people there are why you go. Um, you know, the, the event itself.

[00:24:56] Christina: Maybe not so much, but it, but it’s disappointing that they didn’t have their shit [00:25:00] together, especially for, for speakers, you know, and that they didn’t have things like quiet spaces and stuff like that, like basic things that conferences who were way smaller do have their shit together on that. Like, that’s always, that, that, that’s always disappointing when there’s

[00:25:14] Jay: that’s it for me.

[00:25:15] Christina: Yeah,

[00:25:17] MHC: Christina’s Week at DubDub and Pixar Visit

[00:25:17] Brett: All right, Christina, how you doing?

[00:25:19] Christina: I’m doing okay. Um, I was in San Jose this week, which was, which was great. So I was at DubDub while I was quote at, I wasn’t really, like, I didn’t get to go to the keynote. Um, but, um, I, I watched that with, with, um, some community members, but I did go to the talk show and I went to a bunch of other, um, kind of evening events and got to meet up with people who I haven’t seen in years and years, which was fantastic.

[00:25:40] Christina: I also got to, um, uh, shout out to Colin Allen who invited me, Command Tab on, um, the various platforms who invited me over to Pixar on Friday. And so I, I went over to Emeryville and I got to see Pixar, um, which I’ve never been to before. And then I actually really coolly, I got to go see Inside Out 2 with, um, the Pixar systems

[00:25:59] Brett: to see that. Don’t [00:26:00] don’t spoil it for

[00:26:01] Christina: no, I’m not

[00:26:01] Brett: but I’m so excited for that movie.

[00:26:03] Christina: I’m not going to spoil anything except to say out there, it’s really, really good. Like, Pixar has needed a hit for a lot of reasons, and I haven’t really liked a lot of the last few Pixar films, if I’m being completely candid. Um, I hadn’t, I hadn’t kept up with anything on Inside Out 2 before I saw it.

[00:26:18] Christina: It’s great. It’s really, really

[00:26:20] Brett: I loved Inside Out 1, and I’m told Inside Out 2 is great for people with anxiety.

[00:26:26] Christina: It definitely is. It definitely is. And I would say it like definitely like you’re not gonna cry the same way you would with like the the first one because it doesn’t have that like little kid kind of thing, but it it um, Uh, the only i’m not spoiling anything, but yeah, it’s great for people. The anxiety thing is a really good.

[00:26:40] Christina: Um, uh, Kind of description of what that stuff is. Um, if you have been a teenage girl before, you are going to have some secondhand embarrassment in moments of it. That’s just a, that’s just a preparation thing. That’s not a spoiler. Um, but no, it’s, it’s, it was really, really good. And it was really cool to watch that with The [00:27:00] Pixar folks, but only enough, Jay, you’ll, you’ll appreciate this.

[00:27:03] Christina: So I’m in Emeryville. I like, we walked from the Pixar campus to the AMC movie theater. I’m, um, a bunch of Pixar people, you know, got tickets and stuff for us. And I was, it was so kind of them to invite me along, like genuinely, like that was one of the highlights, like of my life to like watch a movie with like, a, you know, Theater full of Pixar people.

[00:27:23] Christina: But in that theater, a guy walks up to me and taps me on the shoulder and says, Hey, how are you? And it was Brian Douglas.

[00:27:30] Jay: Oh,

[00:27:31] Christina: Brian Douglas happens, happens to live in the area and happened to be there with his kids. Um, they were in the show. It was, he’s the guy who, um, used to be my boss at GitHub and, and runs Open Sauce.

[00:27:41] Christina: Fantastic guy, but, but, um, but Jay knows him as well.

[00:27:43] Jay: I’ve known Brian for, I’ve known Brian as long as I’ve been in tech.

[00:27:48] Christina: Brian’s fantastic, but it was just the smallest world ever. I’m like, I’m in Emeryville, like of all the places to be, like where I would run into somebody that I know. Yeah, I do too. I do too. It genuinely was like [00:28:00] freaking amazing because I was like, it was this very odd thing. I was explaining to like the, some of my new Pixar friends.

[00:28:05] Christina: I was like, Oh yeah, no, I used, he used to be my boss. Like he, he has his own startup, um, you know, he’s doing great, but it was just a very funny small world. Um, so

[00:28:16] Jay: for that opportunity to surprise Brett, just some random like encounter, like, Hey, I didn’t know that you were in the third floor of somewhere in Minneapolis today.

[00:28:28] Christina: yeah, no, I would love that.

[00:28:30] Brett: I will be, I will be in Minneapolis at a hotel for Aaron’s Black Metal show on the 29th. If you, if you are traveling through Minneapolis, look me up. Or if you live in

[00:28:45] Jay: if the twins are playing. Maybe I’ll like, I’ll go to a baseball

[00:28:49] Brett: after, after Christina is done and we have done a sponsor read, I really want to talk about sports, which is weird for me.

[00:28:58] Christina: no, no, no. [00:29:00] No, I’m just going to finish up. So I had a great week with people. Um, it was really, really great to see folks. I am a little bit stressed about work right now because I have a bunch of stuff that I have to get done in a week. Um, that, um, is, is a whole lot. So I’m about to be under, like, it’s going to be one of those big tests for my ADHD to be like, okay, all right.

[00:29:22] Christina: All right. Hyper focus skill, like come in handy, like save me. Um, So I’m a little bit stressed about that. Um, but, uh, and, and I’m, uh, not super enthused to be leaving town in a week from now for another week, but it, it, it’s okay. I’ll, I’ll, I’ll make it work. But, um, but no, overall, my mental health was good.

[00:29:41] Christina: It was really nice to be around people.

[00:29:43] Balancing Work and Personal Events

[00:29:43] Christina: Like, um, It was, I was able to, unlike being at, I missed being at Render, but unlike being at Render, because I was working during the day, it was one of those nice things where I kind of had like a good separation, you know, between how much you have to be on and whatnot.

[00:29:59] Christina: And I also have to [00:30:00] say selfishly, like, It was really nice being at an event that is not my event because then like the expectations that are on you are different,

[00:30:08] Brett: would be way less stress, I

[00:30:10] Christina: right? Well, and then also that, you know, that I’m not speaking at to that point too, right? And so it kind of reminds me why I do try to put at least one of those things on my calendar a year where it’s like, this is just a thing I’m doing for me that I’m not speaking at, that I don’t have a work obligation to like XOXO will be my next one.

[00:30:27] Christina: And that’s going to be the last XOXO. Um, but like, it’s, it’s nice to just have those things Where you can be around people, but like, there’s not a work obligation. There’s not a speaking obligation. This isn’t a thing that I have to, you know, be on all the time for that. I can just go and enjoy people with, which, um, you know, it’s how normal people attend conferences, but that’s not how, um, you know, uh, we, we attend conferences.

[00:30:51] Christina: So

[00:30:53] Upcoming Speaking Engagements

[00:30:53] Brett: Speaking of, um, I will be speaking at Macstock, a much smaller conference this year, [00:31:00] um, which has an illustrious panel of previous speakers, including Jay Miller. Um, I, uh, I, if you want to go, it’s July 12th through 14th. And if you use the code TTSCOFF, uh, when you buy your tickets, you get like 30 bucks off.

[00:31:19] Brett: Um, which is the, the major cost of MACSOC is the hotel. Um, so if you can get an Airbnb cheap, then go for it, but

[00:31:30] Jay: Like that and maybe a rental car. If you’re Like flying in.

[00:31:35] Brett: yeah. Or taking a train in, which I’m considering doing.

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