410: It’s Not Escapism, It’s Rest

It’s Not Escapism, It’s Rest

[00:00:00] Introduction and Bird Talk

[00:00:00] Jeff: Hey everybody, this is the Overtired podcast. Hopefully you already know that because you clicked to listen and it’s not on some sort of like autoplay situation, but if it is, hi, surprise, it’s me, I’m Jeff. Uh, I’m here with, with Christina Warren and I’m here with Brett Terpstra and I also have a lot of birds outside my window and I refuse to take measures To block them out, because I think we all, we all need it.

[00:00:31] Jeff: I’m coming with the birds. I

[00:00:33] Brett: not hearing any birds,

[00:00:34] Jeff: Oh, damn. I hear him through my microphone. It’s lovely.

[00:00:37] Brett: that, you got that very directional mic, I uh, I

[00:00:41] Mosquitoes and Immunity

[00:00:41] Jeff: Can you hear the, can you hear the mosquitoes? Cause holy shit. Uh, anyway, yeah, really bad up here. I don’t know why,

[00:00:47] Brett: Yeah, it’s not bad. I live in the same state as Jeff, uh, in far, like two hours south of Jeff. And I gotta say, like, I was just thinking yesterday, there are surprisingly few mosquitoes here.[00:01:00]

[00:01:00] Brett: They all went north.

[00:01:01] Jeff: Brett Terpstra lives in amazing, in a region that has the best name ever. I think you live in the Driftless region, right? And, and isn’t the Driftless region known for a lack of mosquitoes?

[00:01:12] Brett: I actually don’t know if that’s true or false.

[00:01:15] Jeff: mostly just known

[00:01:16] Brett: neither confirm nor deny.

[00:01:18] Jeff: Okay, fine. Fine.

[00:01:20] Brett: So, uh, there, the weird thing is there was a period of about five years where I was immune to mosquitoes. I would, I would be at like a, an outdoor gathering and everyone would be complaining about mosquitoes and zero of them would even land on me.

[00:01:37] Brett: And if they did, they wouldn’t bite.

[00:01:39] Jeff: Okay, I’m gonna make

[00:01:40] Brett: I was just impervious,

[00:01:42] Jeff: gonna make light of something that I am against making light of, but I have a feeling in this friendship in this podcast that’ll work. Was it because you were sweating heroin?

[00:01:49] Brett: no. No, I’m not I can’t rem there was something going on in my life. There was, like, I was eating something regularly, and I can’t remember what I [00:02:00] decided the, the, the X factor was on that. Um, it was during a period of sobriety. It was neither alcohol nor heroin.

[00:02:10] Jeff: it was because of whatever you were detoxing.

[00:02:12] Brett: Yeah, maybe, who knows. It, it ended though. I get mosquito bites now.

[00:02:17] Jeff: Wait, hold on. What if DEET is short for detox?

[00:02:22] Brett: I think it’s short for delirium tremors. Delir yeah,

[00:02:27] Jeff: All right.

[00:02:28] Christina: I’m sorry that you lost your mosquito immunity because I, I definitely, uh, I’m very allergic to so many bugs and, and, um, also pollen and also like the sun and, uh, like every type of like tree and grass blade and whatnot, but mosquitoes. really, really like me. They always have bugs in general. So if there’s anything out there, like with some sort of stinger, like it will find me and, and it will, it will bite me.

[00:02:55] Christina: Um, I got bit by something in New York once on [00:03:00] my, um, I was, I was wearing the jeans that had holes in them and I was at, at, um, uh, dinner with, with a friend of mine and, We were, you know, outdoors, but there were like mosquito lamps and whatnot, and she wasn’t bit. And I was, not only was I bit like through my, um, jeans, like, so like my knee wound up swelling up, but I got bit like on my ring finger and they almost had to cut my rings off.

[00:03:22] Christina: Um, they fortunately didn’t. They were able to give me like a shot of something so they could get my rings off. But like, it was one of those things where like, I had to like, get like a pretty serious antibiotic because they were like, yeah, we’re worried about how infected this could potentially be. And it’s only been like.

[00:03:36] Christina: Twelve hours since you were bit, um. And like, you’re, you’re, you’re, yeah,

[00:03:41] Indoor Cat Life

[00:03:41] Brett: should go outside.

[00:03:43] Christina: you’re not wrong. I mean, this is what I’ve been, I’ve been arguing that for

[00:03:46] Brett: you’re an indoor cat.

[00:03:48] Christina: I am absolutely an indoor cat. 1000%, 1000%.

[00:03:52] Jeff: even one that paws at the windows.

[00:03:54] Christina: No, no, no, no. I mean, honestly, it’s like, you know, give me like the, you know, the blue light therapy stuff to simulate, [00:04:00] um, you know, sunlight, um, But yeah, uh, I’m, I’m definitely an indoor cat.

[00:04:06] Christina: Um, I, I mean, I usually would call myself an indoor kid because that was, you know, uh, a, a joke on, on reality. But honestly, I like indoor cat better. I’m, I’m going to call my, that’s when we call myself now. I’m like, Oh no, I’m an indoor cat. We don’t, we don’t do that.

[00:04:19] Brett: We don’t get tics. I hate tics.

[00:04:23] Mental Health Corner

[00:04:23] Brett: Anyway, let’s do, uh, let’s do a, a constrained mental health corner.

[00:04:28] Christina: sounds good.

[00:04:29] Brett: I can kick off. I, uh, I’m sleeping well. Um, I got, I got the, I got the gabapentin up to like, what is it? 1, 800 milligrams? Um, which is like max dose, but it works. I sleep well. I wake up refreshed. Um, and it’s not making me drowsy all day.

[00:04:51] Brett: And I, I get in for a sleep study in July.

[00:04:56] Christina: Nice.

[00:04:57] Brett: So maybe I can find a way [00:05:00] to sleep without a huge dose of nerve blocking drugs.

[00:05:05] Weight Loss and Medication

[00:05:05] Brett: But I don’t know if I mentioned this before, but I started Wagovi. It’s like Ozempac. It’s like, it’s a different, it’s a very similar drug to Ozempac for weight loss. Yes.

[00:05:20] Christina: Now, I have a question for you. Does Oracle’s health insurance cover this? Okay, that’s really good to know because Apple and Microsoft and also GitHub do not. Unless you have, unless you’ve been diagnosed with diabetes, like, and have been issued it, they don’t cover any of those drugs. And it’s frustrating because They claim both companies, because I’ve talked to people, um, the reason I know about this is because somebody, um, at Apple, um, mentioned this to me and then I looked into it at Microsoft slash GitHub, even though we have different insurance policies, the same is for this.

[00:05:55] Christina: And I found out that even they’re claiming, Oh, well, the science just [00:06:00] isn’t there yet, which fuck you. Yes, it is. It’s been there for like a decade. It’s been there for a very long time. And when you think about like, it’s just that they don’t want to pay 25 grand a year or whatever it is. for everybody to get them.

[00:06:11] Christina: But I’m like, think about how much more money you would save if people who could benefit from this stuff significantly have like lower cholesterol and like better heart. Um, you know, um, uh, you know, like, like, um, lower blood pressure and like their, their hearts are healthier and all kinds of other benefits that come from some of this stuff.

[00:06:31] Christina: So that’s really good to know that, that Oracle covers it because that I can use. In my potentially, my potential crusade that me as a person who will likely never have to be on these drugs, I almost feel like that makes me the perfect person to be like the public face, like to yell at HR and, and like, be like, no, why is this not covered?

[00:06:54] Christina: You know? My health insurance. Sorry, go on.

[00:06:57] Brett: I want to be careful because, [00:07:00] like, health and obesity are, um, widely misunderstood, even in the medical community. There are plenty of people who are obese and have diabetes. Yeah. Yeah. Great health. Um, it’s just

[00:07:14] Christina: and they’re playing at people who don’t.

[00:07:16] Brett: sure, sure. Um,

[00:07:18] Jeff: obese who have

[00:07:19] Christina: Agreed.

[00:07:20] Jeff: I’m not, I’m not

[00:07:21] Christina: no, I know, but, but, but I’m just saying like, like, look, like, like putting, put, put, putting like the, the, the, the political aspect of it aside, there are very real health benefits that some people, not everyone, but some people can benefit from if they reduce their weight. Like it’s, it, it, that, that’s not, that’s not a controversial thing.

[00:07:37] Christina: That’s actually fact.

[00:07:38] Brett: so I’m gonna, I’m not gonna argue this. Um, I have, my weight has really affected my mental health. Um, and so my doctor agreed to put me on it. And I have, I’ve been on it for three months now. It costs me 25 bucks a month. Um, which is considering [00:08:00] like without insurance, it’s a couple grand a month.

[00:08:03] Christina: like, it’s like, it’s like 2000 at

[00:08:05] Brett: Yeah, um, so I’ve been on it for three or four months now, and you slowly up your dosage, and I haven’t seen any weight loss yet, but here’s the interesting thing, and this is, this is a known side effect, uh, it reduces impulsive and compulsive behaviors.

[00:08:27] Jeff: ha!

[00:08:28] Brett: And I, for a long time, have had a wee bit of a drinking problem. Uh, for a couple of years now, I’ve been, I’ve been drinking a bit much. And, um, and like my desire to drink is pretty much gone. Gone at this point. Like I, I can enjoy, I can enjoy like a glass of wine with dinner. That’s nice. But

[00:08:51] Christina: But you, but you

[00:08:52] Brett: whiskey, whiskey in the afternoon, which was like a favorite thing of mine.

[00:08:57] Brett: Um, not a favorite thing, but it [00:09:00] was a habit. Um, it’s like, I just, I don’t. I don’t do it anymore. And I don’t even think about it until like evening rolls around. I’m like, Hey, wow. I haven’t drank any whiskey today. So at for 25 bucks a month, even if that’s the only benefit I get from it, I’m, I’m pretty happy.

[00:09:20] Brett: I would love to lose a little weight. That would, that would be good for me, but also I’m working on just kind of accepting that this is what my, I, I get exercise. I eat very healthy. Um, my doctor looked at my diet and the only thing he could think to change was to like reduce oil. Like I use like a tablespoon of olive oil to cook some potatoes, you know?

[00:09:46] Brett: Um, I’m vegan otherwise. Uh, I mean, that is vegan. It’s just. I don’t

[00:09:54] Jeff: now I need an education.

[00:09:55] Brett: I don’t use dairy based oils and I don’t want to cook [00:10:00] without oil. I know it’s a thing. Like there’s a whole, there’s a whole mood. Well, it’s, and it’s hard, like everything sticks to your pan. Nothing cooks evenly without a little bit of fat.

[00:10:11] Brett: And I also, I don’t believe that fat in a diet is. is unhealthy. Like, you need fat. You, your body, your brain works on fat. Like fat, fat and salt, like we were raised to believe these were horrible health, health affecting, uh, uh, elements, and they’re really not. And so I, I disregarded my doctor on the oil thing.

[00:10:39] Brett: It’s not like I’m drinking bottles of oil or anything, so Anyway,

[00:10:44] Christina: well, and, and no, and the thing is though, like, honestly, I would think that probably based on what you’ve said, like the, what your diet is, there’s either like a metabolic reason, like why maybe you’ve had a hard time losing weight or whatnot, or honestly, and here’s the real thing, it is the [00:11:00] alcohol, right?

[00:11:00] Christina: Like that’s actually

[00:11:01] Brett: not, it’s not, I’ve quit for two years and not lost a pound.

[00:11:05] Christina: huh.

[00:11:06] Brett: It, alcohol, just quitting alcohol has no effect on my weight. This is, my, my body went from 180 to 230 in a, like a, uh, one to two month period. Like it just, it just changed. With no changes in my lifestyle, it just changed. It went back to what it was 10 years prior before I lost weight.

[00:11:31] Christina: Right. Before you got into yoga and everything.

[00:11:34] Brett: like even that, like I got into yoga because I lost weight and had more energy. I didn’t really do anything to lose the weight. I started walking a couple miles a day, uh, but like as I lost weight, I had more energy and so I started running and then I kept losing weight, but like my body just changes.

[00:11:57] Brett: It’s kind of like stasis weight. And right [00:12:00] now, at the weight I’m at, I can, for a week, I can not exercise, I can eat shitty, and I don’t gain weight. I, I just, this is just the weight it wants to be. And I’m hoping the W’Gobi will get me to a place where I’m more, you know, Like, I don’t even like to go out. I feel very self conscious, like just, uh, just hanging out.

[00:12:22] Brett: There’s no way, like, I go to queer dance night and there’s no way I’m getting on the dance floor. I feel like such a, like, weirdo with a, cause all my weight is in my belly. Um, like I don’t gain, like, I have a great ass. My legs look amazing. Um, I just have

[00:12:41] Jeff: actually, he’s showing us his ass

[00:12:42] Christina: We are,

[00:12:43] Jeff: right. It’s really, it’s just nice is what I would say.

[00:12:46] Christina: I was gonna say, I was gonna say the queer dance night crew like really needs to see Bratz Ass.

[00:12:52] Jeff: Yeah. You think about chaps? You ever think about chaps?

[00:12:57] Brett: If you had to, in two words, [00:13:00] how would you describe my ass as you look at it?

[00:13:02] Jeff: Oh, right now? Um, I would describe it as, uh, well, it’s funny because the word bodacious comes to mind, but I think I’m looking for a different

[00:13:11] Christina: well, Bootylicious

[00:13:13] Jeff: Bootylicious, that’s it. It’s my brain was just, yeah, bootylicious was what I

[00:13:18] Brett: that. Thank you. I’ll put, I’ll put, I’ll put my pants back up now. Um, so that’s, that’s kind of my mental health corner. I will, I will hand it off now.

[00:13:26] Jeff: Mental Health Corner ends with you

[00:13:27] Christina: keep us posted on, keep us posted on this, because I’m interested in how it works for you. Because I know that for a lot of people, like, as much, I think some of the discourse, like, I understand if the discourse around these drugs is to be used in any way to shame people who don’t want to take them for whatever reasons, or whatnot, like, how that can be negative.

[00:13:48] Christina: But, I’m interested in it. I, I think that some of the discourse has been really overblown and is, it really overlooks the, the very real, um, uh, medical benefits, again, not just, you know, like physical well [00:14:00] being, uh, but from a mental health perspective, like, you know, you, your things can be, can, whether they should be or shouldn’t be is important.

[00:14:08] Christina: To me, completely beside the point, like how we look and how it has a direct, like, correlation with how we feel. So, um, keep us posted on this cause I’m, I’m, I’m happy, um, to, I’m happy for you. I hope that this, this, um, you know, can be, um, encouraging. Um, and, and I think if the, Interesting thing there is that if it also helps with some of like the more addictive tendencies, um, or compulsive tendencies, like that’s actually an interesting potential augmentation, you know, like for these sorts of drugs, if you think about it, right?

[00:14:39] Christina: Like,

[00:14:39] Brett: The problem is as soon as you stop taking it, All of those behaviors come back, like, and, and same with weight loss. Like as soon as you, if you ever, if your insurance changes and they won’t cover it anymore and you can’t afford a couple grand out of pocket, which who can like, that’s, that’s nuts.

[00:14:57] Christina: No, it is

[00:14:58] Brett: and then everything comes [00:15:00] back.

[00:15:00] Brett: So it’s, it’s an experiment while it lasts,

[00:15:03] Christina: totally. Although I will say, like, I think that the more, um, that people start to, you know, go on these drugs more because they’re, again, like the, it’s what annoys me about like my company’s response is that they’re like, Oh, well we, you know, don’t have, you know, the, the, the data.

[00:15:18] Christina: And I’m like, no, the science is actually incredibly solid here. It’s like 20 years worth. Like it’s, it’s actually, it’s, it’s incredibly solid. And so this is one of those things that, look, maybe not everybody needs to take this. Forever. And maybe that, you know, there can be changes at some point where that’s not possible, but plenty of people have to take supplements or have to take, you know, heart pills or, you know, antidepressants or other things all the time.

[00:15:40] Christina: I’m just hopeful that as more and more of this becomes like more, um, destigmatized, which it is. is a good thing that I’ve noticed even in the last year, like the stigma around this has gone down. Um, although it still exists in some places, which is why I’m probably gonna have to be the vocal person to speak up in like my company matters, even though [00:16:00] like I’m probably never going to be someone who takes a drug like this.

[00:16:04] Christina: Um, I’m hoping as it becomes more destigmatized and whatnot, that it is just going to become one of those things where like the prices will come down. Um, regardless

[00:16:14] Brett: generics will

[00:16:15] Christina: generics, precise, precisely, right? Yeah. So, you know, hopefully it won’t be a bad thing.

[00:16:21] Cat Update

[00:16:21] Brett: can I give you a quick cat update before I end my mental health corner?

[00:16:24] Christina: Yes, of course.

[00:16:25] Brett: Um, so my, my cat, nobody, which we’ve had for a few years now, she will jump up on my desk and very carefully walk around my cords and wires every once in a while, she decides to nest into like a bundle of cables and she’ll unplug some shit, but Generally, as long as she’s, as long, she will occasionally like look for things on my desk that move and then like slowly push them to the edge until they fall off.

[00:16:57] Brett: Um, but that’s like the extent of trouble she [00:17:00] causes. Our new cats, Richard and Morris. Richard has taken to hanging out on my desk, but he is not a cat. Just a bulldozer, like, to get on my desk, he hits the trackpad and the keyboard, has sent multiple messages to people by doing so, just bulldozes my desk, knocks, he’s broken multiple coffee mugs, he is a terror, and I’m not a fan of Richard, that’s my update.

[00:17:30] Jeff: Put him on. Put Richard on. Let’s, let’s see what’s going on with Richard. Let’s have a couple,

[00:17:34] Brett: Richard is absent,

[00:17:36] Jeff: Is that because I saw Richard run off a minute ago?

[00:17:40] Brett: Bod’s right here. You can’t see her, but anyway. Alright, who’s up?

[00:17:49] Jeff: Christina, you ready?

[00:17:50] Christina: Yeah, I’ll go.

[00:17:51] Christina’s Busy Week

[00:17:51] Christina: Um, so I had a, I had a really insanely busy week last week, which is why we didn’t have a show. Um, because I was doing Microsoft build [00:18:00] stuff, uh, and I, including talking to a few people from Oracle, uh, who I’m sure Brett doesn’t know, um, all about, uh, the various partnership between, uh, Azure and, and, um, uh, Oracle, uh,

[00:18:12] Brett: Oh, I didn’t even know we had that.

[00:18:14] Christina: Yeah, apparently some partnership launched like in October where you can now run like Oracle, Oracle ACI. Is that what it’s called?

[00:18:23] Brett: OCI?

[00:18:23] Christina: OCI, um, on Azure. Um, and so I, I talked to some people about that. Um, uh, contact your account managers is, was the real takeaway if you wanted to be part of that, um, which, which is hysterical that, that, that was, I think the, the hardest part of the partnership from what I understood was like getting all the, the, the, the account managers and things like that, like on the same.

[00:18:44] Christina: Page because the idea is basically that if you have like a, an Oracle database, but you also are using multi cloud or want to use Azure for some stuff, you can now have it hosted. I think either on some Oracle servers or Azure servers, but yet you can run Azure services on top of it. I don’t know. [00:19:00] Anyway, I talked to Oracle people.

[00:19:01] Christina: That, that’s, that’s a, and I was like, I know someone at Oracle.

[00:19:04] Jeff: health check in.

[00:19:04] Christina: That is my, I talked to someone at Oracle. No, my mental health check in was just like, I had like an insanely, insanely busy week. Um, and I’m, I’ve kind of recovered from that. But, um, that is, as much as I’m like a extrovert, like there’s still something incredibly draining about like being on for, or two.

[00:19:23] Christina: I don’t know, I had like five 13 hour days, 13 hour plus days, like 13 hours of like the minimum in a row. And that was just like, that was a lot. So, but I survived. I

[00:19:36] Brett: anything go terribly wrong? That’s what I’m curious about.

[00:19:39] Christina: No, not at all. Not at all. Um, you

[00:19:41] Brett: you’re a trooper. You get shit done.

[00:19:45] Christina: I’m gonna try. Um, but, uh, yeah, no. So just, uh, that’s my, my kind of general update. I’m still, I, I’m envious of your sleeping ability cause I am definitely struggling sleeping.

[00:19:59] Christina: Like I [00:20:00] went to bed, I think at, at 5 a. m. this morning and, uh, 5 or 6, and then I was up by Like 8. 45 or 9. 15. So

[00:20:11] Brett: enough sleep.

[00:20:12] Christina: it’s not, it’s not. Hopefully I’ll be able to get some more this weekend, but we’ll, we’ll see.

[00:20:16] Brett: get, do you get a little break now after that hellish, grueling week?

[00:20:21] Christina: uh, kind of, but now like it’s summer dev conference season. So, um, like, uh, WWDC is in two weeks now. I’m going to be in San Jose for that. Um, just hanging out with some folks. And then I’m going to be ironically back in San Francisco, like a week after that, like at the end of June. Um, for, uh, for a workshop, um, at, at some AI conference that I, I found out about, um, this week.

[00:20:49] Christina: I was asked to do it and I, I’m now, I’ve, the problem is I’m happy to do the workshop, but it’s like three hours. Huh. Um, I don’t think I have to do the whole three hours. I think that somebody else can do like an hour and a [00:21:00] half and I can do an hour and a half, but now I have to come up with, an hour and a half workshop.

[00:21:05] Christina: And that’s, that’s going to take, um, a lot of time.

[00:21:09] Brett: yeah. Jeez.

[00:21:12] Jeff: Woof.

[00:21:13] Christina: So yeah. So that’s me. Yeah. But things are up, but things are going up. Things are certainly better than like where I was a year ago. So, um, that, that, that, that’s good. So, um, I keep like reminding myself that it was like a year ago, like you were like actively not wanting to exist anymore and about to embark on the medication from hell, like.

[00:21:35] Christina: So, you know, small victories. Um,

[00:21:39] Jeff: Small, small, big victories.

[00:21:41] Christina: big victories. Yeah, so, um, I, I, um, uh, this really doesn’t fit into the mental health corner, but just as a brief follow up. Um, uh, I, I fucked up by buying the laptop that I bought when I bought it. Just back to Microsoft Build, because the new ARM Uh, machines that, that are new Qualcomm, like, [00:22:00] processor stuff that it was announced last week.

[00:22:02] Christina: These Copilot Plus PCs, um, they look really, really good. Like, I’m gonna obviously wait for the final, like, reviews and stuff to come out, but they look really, really good. And I’m like, damn it. Why did I buy the laptop that I bought? Um, too late now, but, uh, I mean, I might wind up selling it or something, but who knows?

[00:22:21] Christina: But like, uh, uh, That’s just a little bit of follow up for anybody who cares about Christina’s alternative, um, device slash operating system saga. Um, Qualcomm does have a, Qualcomm does have a dev kit though, actually, which is similar to like a Mac Mini. It’s 800 bucks or 900 bucks, I think it’s 900, but it comes with 32 gigs of RAM and like a super fast processor and, um, good storage and then a lot of connectivity and it looks like a Mac Mini.

[00:22:47] Christina: So, that’s it. actually a fairly reasonable, um, solution for people who might want to do like on, on device AI stuff, um, or, or Windows on ARM stuff. So I might pick one of those, but we’ll see. But [00:23:00] anyway, that’s it. I’m, I’m done.

[00:23:02] Jeff: Awesome.

[00:23:04] TV Shows and CGI Rants

[00:23:04] Jeff: I, it’s funny, I’m like, trying to figure out, I, I don’t feel like, I feel like I have like, um, heavy stuff, not heavy, like hard stuff, but just like, and, and then light stuff and I think I’m gonna go with the light stuff, which is that, I have, I don’t even know if this is, this has its shadow side, I’m, I, I know, but, um, I’ve been just like, Taking like, uh, like my kind of lunch break in the middle of the day or in the afternoon or late at night and watching, just going through like mostly limited series TV shows.

[00:23:38] Jeff: And, um, God, it’s been a right, it’s been the right time in my life to just get lost in stories. And, uh, and it’s been lovely. And even like we’ve had a lot of rain, so I can kind of lay on this couch we have that I love. And, uh, and just like, there’s a breeze and it’s raining and watching my stories. And, uh, it’s the most lovely thing.

[00:23:55] Jeff: It’s great. Oh man, I’ve blown through so much. Like, it’s not even [00:24:00] stuff I loved, all of it, but I watched The Regime, which I loved, with Kate Winslet. It’s fucking insane. I really recommend that to see her performance, because it’s basically like, it’s got a real veep quality to it. Like, there’s a point at which she’s like, Oh God, it smells like a pig’s urethra in here.

[00:24:15] Jeff: Um, I guess a lot of that kind of,

[00:24:17] Christina: that wasn’t, that was actually a pretty good impression.

[00:24:20] Jeff: a point at which she’s like, off you fuck. And there’s like some great. Like, she’s amazing. It’s a totally fucked up show. I watched that. I watched Masters of the Air, which like, I didn’t love as a character show, but I just found it fascinating to kind of like, imagine my way into being a kid who’s flying a bomber in World War II.

[00:24:37] Jeff: And you have like, you know, whatever crazy ass chance of surviving any given mission, not to mention the fact that we shouldn’t have been, uh, bombing in those, the ways that we were most of the time, uh, it’s a separate, separate issue. But the problem is who played Elvis in the Elvis movie? Um,

[00:24:52] Christina: Um, uh, Austin, uh, uh, Austin, um, was his face. Yeah.

[00:24:57] Jeff: So he’s, he plays like the main character, but [00:25:00] it’s, I don’t know if he was fucking filming Elvis as he filmed this, but I could not stay in the movie because every time he’d come on he was like, yeah, no, we’re going to find it, it’s going to be fine, we’re going to fly this mission and we’re all just going to be fine.

[00:25:11] Jeff: And it was like so incredible how he did not shed Elvis, either that or he just is that person. Um, what else? I’m watching Dark Matter. Dark Matter. Uh, on, on Apple TV, and, and I love that, and then I finished one other one, I can’t remember even the name, but uh, anyway, just going through them, and like, I kind of love limited series, they aren’t all limited series, most of those are.

[00:25:31] Jeff: Um, I just love that feeling like when it’s over, you’re not like, Oh fuck, I gotta wait two years. It’s just a nice satisfying feeling like when you close the book at the end of reading. Um, so yeah, that’s been, that’s been nice to do. Uh, it relates,

[00:25:45] Christina: Unless it’s big Little lies and then they’re like, oh, it’s limited series. Oh

[00:25:48] Jeff: I never watched. Yeah.

[00:25:49] Christina: The first season is actually incredible. The second season, not as good, um, even though they had Meryl Streep. Honestly, because, like, the author of the book had to, like, write the script.

[00:25:59] Christina: Like, [00:26:00] no one was expecting to do it again. It’s just, it was such a huge success. They were like, oh, we have to make more of this. Sorry, I didn’t mean to cut you off.

[00:26:06] Jeff: No. Oh, and the other one I watched, what is it called? It’s the Apple TV show with Colin Farrell. that takes a really ridiculous turn in the last three episodes, but he’s basically like a, uh, like L. A. noir type character. And I loved, I love watching detectives more than I love watching journalists in movies, but I like it for the same reason.

[00:26:26] Jeff: Um, and he is, I loved his style of being a detective. It was like, I loved it almost like close to how much I loved Columbo, but I wouldn’t compare the two because Columbo is just a massive, incredible thing that, that was created,

[00:26:41] Brett: what was the Colin Farrell one called?

[00:26:43] Jeff: what’s it called? It’s recent, uh, it’s, Colin Farrell, and also the woman that was in The Wire, who was a cop in The Wire for a season out on the, out on the docks.

[00:26:55] Jeff: I hope somebody’s searching it because I’m being

[00:26:57] Brett: I’m looking right now.

[00:26:59] Jeff: But first of all, Colin [00:27:00] Farrell, um, Sugar, yeah. Yeah, I loved it. I hated the turn it took, but I loved it. Um, and Colin Farrell also just has features that are like my brother. And so I, I like watching him, but anyway, that’s all.

[00:27:13] Jeff: That was nice. But it leads me to on our, on our sort of agenda here in our, in our show notes, uh, I had one really stupid thing I wanted to say, and it fits right in with this. And I just seem to say it out loud. Cause my kids are just tired of hearing me observe shit like this. I fucking hate CGI headlights So like I’m picturing, I was watching the regime and it happened in Masters of the Year too, where it’s like an overhead shot and there are cars driving, but like the headlights are obviously CGI and, and it looks so dumb. It almost looks half the time, like they’re disconnected and it’s making you guys, making me crazy, pulls me outta the story.

[00:27:48] Jeff: I’ll tell you what it does.

[00:27:49] Brett: I have no idea what you’re talking about. I’ve never noticed this before.

[00:27:53] Jeff: You know what you want to talk about, Christina? Yeah, I don’t know. I mean, it’s just fucking, I can’t stop seeing it. And it’s probably not even always real, [00:28:00] but it makes me crazy. That’s all. I really,

[00:28:03] Brett: now I’m going to

[00:28:04] Jeff: I felt like this was a safe space and I

[00:28:05] Christina: No, it totally is. I, it doesn’t, those don’t bother me as much, but there are some things like that that have the same effect where like

[00:28:11] Jeff: smoke, breath,

[00:28:13] Christina: Smoke

[00:28:13] Jeff: all of that too.

[00:28:14] Christina: is one of those that, that bothers me. Breath, breath, um, you don’t see as much. Um, although when you see it, it’s almost always like painted in, um,

[00:28:23] Jeff: And it’s like the mouth is here, but why is it

[00:28:25] Christina: Right. Totally. And you’re like, you’re like, I understand that.

[00:28:29] Jeff: a Minnesotan.

[00:28:30] Christina: Well, I was gonna say, I was like, I understand that you’re filming this in Atlanta where it is never cold enough to actually capture someone’s breath. However, you know, you’re trying to like look like you’re, you know, so much, so much colder, but, um, I, I don’t know if I’ve mentioned it on this show or not, but, uh, it’s not a limited series, although, um, I guess it’ll come back next year, um, who knows how long you’ll have to wait, but I think it still fits kind of that vibe or whatnot.

[00:28:56] Raving About Fallout on Amazon

[00:28:56] Christina: Fallout on Amazon, absolutely,

[00:28:58] Jeff: next for me.

[00:28:59] Christina: absolutely the [00:29:00] best show I’ve seen this year, probably like in a couple years. Like, even if you’ve never played the games, um, I think that you’ll like it, but like, I, I loved the games and I was really concerned that they were going to fuck up the tone of that show, uh, because the, the tone is crucial to the whole

[00:29:13] Jeff: Oh my

[00:29:14] Christina: not.

[00:29:14] Christina: And they nailed it on every fucking level. The casting is fantastic. They, they kind of, to your point about the CGI stuff, like they used some of that, but a lot of what they did was actually like practical effects.

[00:29:26] Jeff: Yeah, that’s great.

[00:29:27] Christina: like they, they went to certain locations, you know, to get some of the expansive, like they went to Nairobi or something, I think, to, to shoot.

[00:29:35] Christina: Some of the stuff to kind of like look like like the the wasteland and kind of like, you know a desert and You know, they did more practical effects For other things too. So I I think you’ll like it. It’s really really good.

[00:29:50] Jeff: Awesome. That’s great. I want to, I want to watch it so bad. I have an ambient experience of Fallout because both of my boys played it a ton, and I just loved hearing it being played. [00:30:00] Obviously the music, but also just everything. The music’s unbelievable. It’s just,

[00:30:04] Christina: hmm. And yeah, and they nailed it. It was one of those things I was really, I was optimistic, especially when I saw their installation at South by Southwest, which was a really, really good installation. Like they recreated like the wasteland and they kind of had like a carnival sort of experience and they had actors hired to kind of play, you know, denizens, um, you know, in, in, in the TV show, um, and, uh, kind of, kind of world.

[00:30:27] Christina: And, um, I, I was impressed enough with how that was because it was a really, clearly a very expensive installation and it was something that, that worked really well, but I was like, okay, if they put enough into this, the thought, the thought just for this, I’m hopeful, especially, you know, after we’ve seen some of the previews that the show will be good, but then Amazon did stupid shit.

[00:30:47] Christina: Like they kept changing the release date. They wound up, you know, moving it up a few days. And then they released all the episodes at once. And so that makes you think, okay, well, are they trying to burn this off? And no, they weren’t. The reviews were universally [00:31:00] like incredibly positive. Um, and then which, which like, you know, people were comparing it, you know, to, to the Last of Us.

[00:31:06] Christina: And I

[00:31:08] Jeff: