327: Single Drunk Episode

Overtired 327

[00:00:00] Brett: Hey, you’re listening to Overtired. I am Brett Terpstra. I am here with Christina Warren. Jeff is off this week. Christina, how you doing?

[00:00:13] Christina: I’m doing pretty good. I’m doing pretty good. Um, we’re probably gonna talk about it some, but, uh, I, the, the day started off, we’re recording this one on Monday, so we’re recording this a little bit differently than we normally do with some, uh, very big media news happening in the world. Like some, some seismic like earth shattering media news, which doesn’t directly affect me in any way at all.

[00:00:33] Christina: Um, but it is very exciting for me as, as a media watcher. So, um,

[00:00:39] Brett: so your choice, you want to, do you wanna kick into that before a mental health corner, or should we get mental hor Health corner squared away?

[00:00:46] Christina: let’s square away mental health corner and then we can talk about all the, all the media upheavals.

[00:00:50] Mental Health Corner

[00:00:50] Brett: So how’s your mental health, Christina?

[00:00:52] Christina: It’s doing okay. It’s doing okay. Um, I was able to convince my mother that Taylor Swift, uh, is, is not, [00:01:00] um, a, a devil worshiper.

[00:01:03] Brett: That’s a win.

[00:01:03] Christina: That is a win. And so I’m taking her to the concert, um, this Friday. So I’m flying into Atlanta, and then we’re gonna go to the concert, and then I’m gonna stay in Atlanta for like another week, um, or 10 days I guess, so that I can be there for my nephew’s, um, second birthday, and then I’m, I’m coming back.

[00:01:22] Christina: So,

[00:01:23] Brett: So what tipped the scale? What, uh, how did you convince your mother that this, the witchcraft accusations were nonsensical?

[00:01:31] Christina: well I’d already kind of had a conversation with her and then I kind of let it go. Like I didn’t talk to her for a while and then I, when we were on the phone again, I was like, okay, I wanna bring this up because, you know, like, I, I haven’t done anything yet, but, but it’s, I, I can still get tickets and, and, and I, I wanna do this.

[00:01:51] Christina: And she was able to, um, I think that that had dissipated, I think that, that, like, the fear on that, she was like, and you don’t think, and I was like, no, not even [00:02:00] remotely. Her fears were about like, being around all these people and potentially getting covid. And I was like, that’s fair, but you know, you can, you can wear, wear a mask or whatever.

[00:02:08] Christina: And I was like, I was, I was like, she was like, well, you know, we could go another time. And like in my mind I’m like, not wanting to say like obvious, which is like, you know, next time she tours, like, you might be in a different place in your life where you might not wanna do this. So I instead, I just kind of appealed.

[00:02:22] Christina: I was like, look, this is literally getting heralded. It’s like one of like the best tours of like all time, like this is like, this is like a once in a lifetime sort of event. And I was just like, I, I wanna share this with you, so.

[00:02:38] Brett: So, cuz like, despite being 29, your mom’s kind of up there in years, right?

[00:02:43] Christina: Right, right.

[00:02:44] Brett: So you never know. You never know if she’s gonna be mobile and, and so, okay, side side note, did you know that the current season of Sex in the City, the Stars are older than the first [00:03:00] season stars of, uh, golden Girls?

[00:03:03] Christina: Yes. And it fucks me up.

[00:03:05] Brett: That’s so weird.

[00:03:06] Brett: That’s so weird.

[00:03:08] Christina: Well wait, well what it does though, is it kind of like reaffirms like, I mean, you know, they called all the golden girls and you’ve had Pi Arthur and um, um, what’s her face? Um, uh, the woman who played, um, Sophia who had gray hair, but like, they were still like fucking and stuff on the show and, and, and, and we all thought they were old, but I think it was cuz of the title, right?

[00:03:32] Christina: Like, if they hadn’t called it that, like, I don’t know.

[00:03:36] Brett: that is how they sold it,

[00:03:37] Christina: That is how they sold it. Exactly. But, but it’s so funny because now I think, you know, if you’re like, oh, you know, selling a show about women in their fifties, no one would think that they were like golden. Anything. You know what I mean? Like, like that, like that that implies like you’re in your seventies, you know, like whatever.

[00:03:53] Christina: But like

[00:03:54] Brett: like in my, in my mind, that’s gotten worse, not better, but apparently [00:04:00] like women in their fifties are now viewed as, you know, viable human beings in a way they weren’t

[00:04:05] Christina: Oh, 100%. 100%. 100%. And, and you know who I have to weirdly credit this with, and this, this feels weird to say Andy fucking Cohen, because Real Housewives, like that whole franchise has made women like, who are 50 plus, like they are, that is the women who star and like run that world. Like, they like, they like they started in on their forties, but like really it’s when they’re in their fifties and they are getting into drama and they’re getting into relationships, they’re getting into all kinds of other shit and like, They are, you know, that is, that is who runs that franchise,

[00:04:39] Brett: my girlfriend is edging up on 50 and as a, like, I, it doesn’t, it, it’s just a number, right. But at the same time it’s 50. Like, I’m gonna be dating a 50 year old and like that’s taken some, I’ve had to come to terms, she’s five years older than me, [00:05:00] and, uh, it’s like, it’s five years. I’m, I’m 45, so like, I’m 44, almost 45, but like five years is very insignificant.

[00:05:11] Brett: We’re the same age in, in the grand scheme of things. And I don’t know why it ever bothered me, but I think it’s a societal thing. This like idea of like 50 years old. You’re you’re pasture prime. Yeah. You’re, but she’s not at all. She’s a, she, she does yoga four times a week. And

[00:05:31] Christina: she’s probably better, honestly, she probably is better in shape than like women who are

[00:05:35] Brett: Mo most thirties. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:05:38] Christina: Um, uh, certainly better shape than me. Um, and like, yeah, no, it, it is weird how it is such a societal thing and like, it’s, it’s,

[00:05:48] Brett: don’t tell her that. It freaked me out though, because it freaks her out. Like turning 50, freaks her out. Um, and she doesn’t need to know that. It also freaks me out a little.

[00:05:58] Christina: No, I mean, yeah. No, [00:06:00] she

[00:06:00] Brett: This is just between you and me.

[00:06:01] Christina: yeah, and, and, and the internet and, and ho and, and, and, uh, and, and hopefully l doesn’t listen, but if she does, I hope she knows like a, it is just a number. There are plenty of people who are younger who are in worse shape and plenty of people are older. Like you see it all the time.

[00:06:15] Christina: Like, again, I, I also have to say, I have to give a little bit of credit to the Kardashians here because their whole like refusal to like, stop being like hot online is doing great things for women in their forties. And like, they’re not gonna stop, like when they turn 50, you know what I mean? Like, like, they’re never like, like, like, like people make fun of Madonna and granted, she’s like done too much shit to her face lately.

[00:06:40] Christina: She’s also 65 years old. So like if you think about Madonna in her fifties, Madonna in her fifties was still really fucking hot and like, hadn’t fucked up her face that way, right? So, so there’s, you know, like my whole thing with her now, I’m like, look like you can do whatever the hell you want. You’re [00:07:00] Madonna, you’re the best.

[00:07:01] Christina: Um, maybe lay off some of the fillers or like get better surgeons. However, like do whatever you wanna do. You still are amazing and can still kill it. So I, I’m grateful that we didn’t have this in the eighties, but now we have like these examples of like, Viable, like hot people who are, it hasn’t changed the whole thing cuz people still, like, if you’re over 30, people still consider you out to pastor if you’re a woman.

[00:07:28] Christina: But, um, and this has never been that, that way for men ever. Um, like, uh, Catherine Zeta Jones and, and, and, um, Sean Connery we’re in a movie together where they played love interests and he was literally twice her age. Um, so like, and then that, that was in 1999. But like now, I think it’s, it is getting to the point where at least we have like better pop culture examples of like, women who are still super fucking hot,

[00:07:58] Brett: Because there is [00:08:00] every chance that l will listen to this episode. I would like to say that I have officially dealt with my reservations. Like I’m totally fine with it. Like I, I came to realize I’m gonna be 50 in a few years myself, and I, I don’t, I, I’m not interested in girls half my age. Um, 25 year old girls still have a lot to figure out and I really enjoy, um, age appropriate women.

[00:08:28] Brett: And, and, and Elle is, Elle is fucking fine and looking great and I, I, I love her. So,

[00:08:37] Christina: you love her and,

[00:08:38] Brett: I get through it.

[00:08:39] Christina: well, and like, it’s not like you’re trying to have kids, right? Like this is like the one example that men will, will give, where they’ll be like, well, I still wanna have children. And like that, that’s the only biological limiter that like women do, genuinely have. Like, is that you go through menopause or whatever and um, but like if you’re not trying to have kids, [00:09:00] then who cares?

[00:09:00] Brett: Yeah. And I, I took care of that problem a few years back,

[00:09:05] Christina: Right. So, which is good. I’m glad you took care of that problem because usually it’s us who has to take care of that problem, uh, and on, on every

[00:09:11] Brett: so easy for guys to get a mastectomy. It’s

[00:09:15] Christina: I know, I know. You, you get a snip, you

[00:09:17] Brett: don’t even have to go under for it.

[00:09:19] Christina: no, you get a snip, you, you, you get some ice, you get some pain, you get some painkillers if you’re allowed to take those.

[00:09:25] Christina: And that’s it.

[00:09:26] Brett: yeah. And then it’s, and then it’s done and it’s safe. And a hysterectomy is, holy shit. That is the most invasive procedure I can think of.

[00:09:36] Christina: But the number, the number of, of, of women that I know who, and the, these are like women who are like younger than me, who are like, yeah, my boyfriend, my husband, whatever, won’t get a mastectomy and I’m worried about this and that, so I’m gonna have to get my tubes tied. And I’m like, I’m like, holy shit.

[00:09:49] Christina: It’s usually, it. It’s, it’s getting your tubes tied rather than a hysterectomy. Um, which, which is less invasive than that, but it’s still not great.

[00:09:56] Brett: Yeah. Yeah, dude, seriously, [00:10:00] guys, it’s not that hard. Like it, it takes, you recover for like a week, but like everything was really fine for me after about three days. And, uh, uh, and it can, it can technically be reversed if you ever change your mind. So, and your insurance will cover it and you can, you can opt to be put under, but you can also do it totally awake with a doctor’s visit.

[00:10:26] Brett: Just fucking do it. I think guys in their twenties should do it.

[00:10:32] Christina: spay and new to your pets spay and new to your men.

[00:10:34] Brett: Yeah, totally. We have enough kids in the world. We really do. You don’t, you don’t need many mes running around. Um, so anyway, is that, is that your mental health

[00:10:48] Christina: that’s my mental health update. Yeah.

[00:10:50] Brett: All right. I, um, I am, I’m doing pretty well. I’m having a super A D H D day today. Um, like I have [00:11:00] a few like high pressure tasks that are due on Wednesday and I am sitting here feeling bored, which is like, To, for me, that’s a sign that my A D H D has taken over.

[00:11:15] Brett: When like, I know there’s shit that needs to be done. There are fires burning behind me and I’m like, oh, I’m so bored. What, what could I, what can I do? Um, so I’m working on that. Uh, the microdosing is going well. I have found, um, tolerance to be an issue, uh, where 200 milligrams was. Was really like doing it for me.

[00:11:43] Brett: Um, I was feeling like attentive and creative and, and things were going well. Now it takes like 400 and it’s only been a week. Um, it’s not, it, the tolerance builds up fast. So you have to take breaks, you have to, [00:12:00] like, one recommendation I saw said three days on, two days off. And my brain is like, but it’s working.

[00:12:07] Brett: Why would I stop? And, um, so I’m trying to like, I’m trying to convince myself that it’s worth taking a couple days off, maybe even a week off, uh, to try to prevent this tolerance from building up. But in general, man, it is, it has totally been the answer for me. I’m very, I’m very excited about microdosing.

[00:12:28] Brett: Um,

[00:12:29] Christina: That’s awesome. I was talking, I was talking to a friend last night, um, about how she’s been doing, and I didn’t know this, but she’s been doing, um, ketamine therapy for the last two years and it’s really, really helped her. And that’s reinforced my, like, resolve to actually start doing that.

[00:12:45] Christina: Sorry, go on.

[00:12:46] Brett: Yeah. No, I highly recommend it. Um, I’ve heard from, because I’ve been pretty open and public about it, I’ve heard from, uh, a bunch of people, about half of them sharing their own stories, um, [00:13:00] about, um, like weekend retreats followed by a microdosing schedule and how beneficial that’s been. Um, and then about half of them just saying, I’ve heard so many good things.

[00:13:14] Brett: I just wanted to like, get more about your story and, and what’s working for you before I go out and try this. And most of the people who are curious about it have never tripped before in their lives. Like they have no. No foundation for understanding of, uh, psychoactives and, and hallucinogens, um, which I did going into it.

[00:13:38] Brett: Um, but, but those people, uh, understandably are, uh, they don’t have a clue. They don’t, they don’t know what it’s like to, to trip, to have your, your mind like open like that. Uh, so honestly, I would recommend [00:14:00] to anyone curious about microdosing that you, that you full dose once and understand like what the drug you’re, you’re looking at can-do.

[00:14:11] Brett: And it’s like full potential before you start, like just teasing it with the microdose. Um, but anyway,

[00:14:19] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. No, that makes sense. I was gonna say, I’ve never done any sort of hallucinogen, so I would, yeah, my whole thing is like, I’ve like, wanted to go, I’ve wanted to try it, but I’m like, I would need to be in a guided experience. Um, and, and

[00:14:33] Brett: Oh, oh,

[00:14:34] Christina: by that.

[00:14:34] Brett: I recommend the guided experience, like, it is, it is like a hair trigger to have a bad trip. Like you can have a real bad, you can still come out of it with the benefits of like, if you’re working on quitting drinking or changing habits or, or, you know, um, improve, uh, helping depression. Like even a bad trip can help you get there.

[00:14:57] Brett: But the nice thing about a retreat is they [00:15:00] really focus on an intention going in and they provide you with a really safe space that, that is more likely to give you a good experience with it. Um, so I do, I do recommend at the very least, having a guide, if not a full retreat.

[00:15:19] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that, that, that, that’s, that’s what I would do because, um, I just. A, I wouldn’t necessarily know like, am I taking the right amount or like, what, what are you picking up on? What are you not Like, it was just, it, it would be like when I went skydiving, like just go with someone else.

[00:15:36] Brett: for sure.

[00:15:36] Christina: like be tethered.

[00:15:37] Christina: Have someone else tethered to you, like Yeah,

[00:15:41] Brett: Yeah. I can’t imagine going skydiving without a guide, at least the first time.

[00:15:46] Christina: totally.

[00:15:47] Brett: Um, there’re even, there are even studies showing M D M A as a treatment for depression. Um, and honestly, like my experience with [00:16:00] recreational ecstasy, um, like it’s, it’s a blast. Like the drug itself is amazing. The come down is scary.

[00:16:09] Christina: right. And my experience with with recreational is that it had no effect on me whatsoever.

[00:16:15] Brett: what? Oh, that sucks. I’m so sorry cuz it is so much

[00:16:19] Christina: Right. Well, that’s what everybody told me and I tried multiple times.

[00:16:24] Brett: Really? So it wasn’t just one bunk batch, you’re just like immune to

[00:16:28] Christina: Immune. I’m just immune to it.

[00:16:30] Brett: Wow. That sucks.

[00:16:31] Christina: like the same thing with cocaine. I’m just immune.

[00:16:33] Brett: Oh, that

[00:16:34] Christina: It really

[00:16:35] Brett: so sorry for you. I, I know drugs are bad. I know, but oh my God, I love drugs.

[00:16:44] Christina: Okay. Should we go into, uh, should we go into our next topic before we talk about, uh, and we, we don’t wanna talk about any of our sponsors right now, right after that,

[00:16:52] All Tuckered Out

[00:16:52] Brett: no, we should give it, we, we need a buffer. So, so let’s talk about this big media news. [00:17:00] Tell us what’s happening in the world of media.

[00:17:02] Christina: Well, okay. So again, we’re recording this on a Monday morning and, um, the, the, the top host of both Fox News and CNN n are out. Uh, Tucker Carlson is gone from Fox News.

[00:17:15] Brett: Uh, according to the press release, they agreed to part ways, but I really don’t feel like it was voluntary on Tucker’s

[00:17:21] Christina: No, no, no. They had to pay out his contract, I’m sure. Uh, this was not a Bill O’Reilly’s situation where they, they’d paid out, you know, over the years, many, many, many millions of dollars on Bill’s behalf because of, of his weird sex pervert stuff. Um, and, uh, and then they fired him finally. This, I’m sure they had to pay out the remainder of Tucker’s contract, which was probably a lot of money.

[00:17:45] Christina: But they have agreed to part ways. Um, they’re losing their number one host far and away. I mean, he’s one of the top rated programs on all of cable, let alone cable news. Uh

[00:17:57] Brett: the most dangerous program on [00:18:00] Fox. So losing them is, is kind of a net benefit for, for society. But

[00:18:05] Christina: this is a, this is a positive, to be clear. Um, I’m already seeing people try to like, Downgrade this be like, oh, well he’ll just go to newsmax. And I’m like, okay, first of all, newsmax doesn’t have Tucker money. Second of all, newsmax doesn’t have Fox reach and the people who watch Fox News don’t know how to use the internet well enough to watch newsmax.

[00:18:24] Christina: So it doesn’t matter. Like cuz cuz they don’t have the distribution. It’s like o a n, like who cares? Um, I’m not saying that it’s not a potential problem, but it’s, it’s not the same thing. Um, you know, in a different world where cable television were still relevant, it could be a concern that they might have a decade to catch up and then take over.

[00:18:43] Christina: But like in a decade, cable news is not going to exist. So I don’t, you know, again, it’s just like whatever. Um, no, but that’s massive. Um, uh, the, the underlying implication there is that this is because of the Dominion lawsuit. Um, and, uh, dominion and, and Fox, um, settled, [00:19:00] um, over, uh, libel claims and Fox agreed to pay Dominion 737 million, um, which is, uh, Um, less than what they were trying to go for, would’ve gone for in a lawsuit.

[00:19:11] Christina: And a lot of people were angry on the internet about that settlement. I, from the get go, I’ve, I’ve said this is going to have a substantial impact on the network and is going to like, cause actual change to happen. And people are like, oh no, it won’t. They’ve just been, they got off easy. No, you don’t lose 25% of your cash and equivalence position in one lawsuit and still have others.

[00:19:34] Christina: You have to settle and not have to make substantial changes. Um, especially with the discovery that had come out. Um, and, and Tucker’s discovery, even though he, you know, um, Ebola host, he probably did the, the best job of not directly libeling any company while he was on air. Uh, he certainly, um, was allowing.

[00:19:59] Christina: You know, [00:20:00] uh, wasn’t speaking out. I mean, he was speaking out, but he, he also wasn’t speaking out like the, the, the behind the scenes emails were fascinating because it, he made it clear that he can’t stand Trump, that he thinks a lot of the people he works with are idiots. Uh,

[00:20:11] Brett: Lindela is insane.

[00:20:12] Christina: that, that he, that he thinks their viewership are idiots.

[00:20:16] Christina: Um, and, and so there was nothing but disdain for all of those things. Um, but, uh, you know, um, he’s also, uh, would bring on people who would potentially say really crazy things, not push back. So, so he’s gone. I don’t know how Maria, um, uh, Baro still has a job. She needs

[00:20:36] Brett: Right. Oh my God.

[00:20:38] Christina: She’s the worst, and I’ve always disliked her.

[00:20:41] Christina: So, um, like even before she moved to Fox. So

[00:20:45] Brett: Yeah,

[00:20:45] Christina: personally, I’m like, she’s, she’s awful.

[00:20:47] Brett: She’s

[00:20:48] Christina: She’s awful. Janine Perro needs to be gone. Like, I don’t know how that those people are still employed. I have a feeling the other shoe will drop with them, but then over on cnn, which is having a hell of a [00:21:00] time under, its his new president, um, ever since Jeff Zucker was, was, was fired under, I’m gonna be honest, I think pretty shitty circumstances.

[00:21:09] Christina: I, I, I don’t think it was fireable. Everyone knew, literally everyone knew that he and, and his subordinate, um, who didn’t even really necessarily like whatever. Everyone knew they’d been in a relationship for many, many years. Like I knew, like everyone knew. It seemed to me like a complete and utter like, just, uh, facade to get rid of him in, in that way.

[00:21:31] Christina: Um, but, but Chris, like the new guy, he’s been having a hard time. He created this CNN morning show, which has been getting terrible ratings. And it’s hosted by, um, uh, Don Lemon and, um, two other, um, um, p uh, uh, poppy Harlow and, uh, Caitlin, I can’t think of her last name. Uh, and, uh, Don Lemon’s out. Don Lemon has been fired.

[00:21:55] Christina: Um, after this morning, um, a couple of months ago, [00:22:00] speaking of, uh, our earlier discussion about like ageism, uh, he made some really shitty comments on the air about Nikki Haley and saying that she didn’t have it anymore cuz she’s 51 and kind of implied that she was too old to run for president and, and shouldn’t be like acting like

[00:22:16] Brett: in an era when the two prime primary, uh, contenders are both in their fucking eighties. Yeah.

[00:22:24] Christina: Yeah, 100%. When you literally have like men in their seventies, like running for, you know, second terms, like, uh, our, you have a, you know, our president, like, let’s just be completely honest, doesn’t seem to have all of his mental faculties.

[00:22:38] Brett: Fair. Fair.

[00:22:39] Christina: it, like it’s probably better than Reagan was.

[00:22:41] Christina: But we also know that Reagan like had Alzheimer’s, like, while he was in office. So I don’t know if the bar’s super high there to be really honest with you. Um, and, uh, you know, like, you know, it was, it was a shitty thing to say because there’s nothing wrong. Like you can have problems with Nikki Hilly’s, um, politics, but a, i, I think she looks great.

[00:22:59] Christina: I [00:23:00] don’t

[00:23:00] Brett: Yeah. She does.

[00:23:01] Christina: honestly, and, and B, like 51. Is really fucking young for a presidential like candidate. Like, let’s not, like, let’s not even talk about like how old Hillary was when she was running. You know what I mean? Like, like, and I get it. Hillary’s never been hot in her life, so she’s never gonna be part of that conversation, which is sexism for a whole other reason, but whatever.

[00:23:21] Christina: It is what it is. She’s never been the hot girl. That’s fine. Um, Nikki Haley, like has, it’s an, is an attractive woman, but it was a shitty statement. And then Variety, I think it was, came out with a really damning expose a few weeks ago detailing his history with women at CNN over the last 17 years as well as with other people.

[00:23:42] Christina: And just, he seems like he’s a diva nightmare to work with. I will say I have been on, um, air with Don Lemon at least a dozen times. He was always very nice to me, but I never worked with him. Um, but, but, but I will say like of the hosts that I interacted with a lot on cnn, when I used to go on CNN n a lot, he [00:24:00] was always very kind to me.

[00:24:01] Christina: So, You know, um, uh, I can’t speak to the, any of the rest of it, but I also don’t doubt the reporting. Um, and so I, I have a, but my, my, my gut on that is that, um, they are using the Dominion lawsuit again as cover to be able to fire him because they might have had a difficult time firing him otherwise, but now they can say, okay, we could potentially have liability issues because of his tendency to kind of go off on the air.

[00:24:32] Christina: And now

[00:24:33] Brett: despite belonging to two protected categories.

[00:24:37] Christina: precisely, despite Right, be because, well, that, because that’s a difficult thing with, with Don Lemon and, and, and, and it, and it should be to be clear, if, if you are part of two protected categories, it should be harder for people to fire you, in my opinion. Um, but uh, that doesn’t mean that it’s, that it’s impossible, and it doesn’t mean, especially in a business like television, which is.

[00:24:56] Christina: All about trust and is all about like brands, you know, integrity [00:25:00] and other things. Like, and also it’s, it’s also about looks, it’s about a lot of really surface things that people don’t like to admit, but like, that’s what, that’s what the business is about. Um, it’s one of the reasons why, like me doing on air stuff, like I, I don’t go on TV anymore, but, you know, I, I hear things like, it’s in my great advantage to look as young as possible.

[00:25:21] Christina: Like,

[00:25:21] Brett: Sure.

[00:25:22] Christina: no, but like genuinely, like I, you know what I mean? Like, I can’t afford to look old or tired or aging. Like you can’t. So, um, in this case, I think that the dominion, this is just trickle down from that because CNN is like, okay, we can now use this as potential. You know, this and all the other things can be like, okay, he’s now, he’s a liability for the network.

[00:25:47] Christina: And, and as you mentioned, the Fox shareholder lawsuits, like that’s not even a, a, you know, a question mark thing. And, and, um, the, like, that, that becomes like a, cuz that, that’s a genuine concern. I [00:26:00] think liability now for, for, for these, um, networks, which is honestly, I think the best case scenario from all of this.

[00:26:06] Christina: Again, a lot of people in my opinion, and I’ll stop talking about this in a second, we can talk about tv, but a lot of people were really pissy about dominion settling. And I think that that was really misguided on two levels. One, a lot of the discovery already got out and was very damning and that was good.

[00:26:23] Christina: Two, even though in this case I totally thought the dominion had a really, really strong case. I personally was really worried about the precedent that would be set. If slash when Dominion was found, um, uh, the Fox was found, you know, um, libelous in that case, because I think that First Amendment protections in this country, especially against the news, are incredibly important.

[00:26:50] Christina: And I would hate for something like this. And, and to be clear in this case, I absolutely do believe that Dominion had a point. I think I’m somebody who is very against most libel cases against news [00:27:00] organizations. I think the bar has to be exceedingly high because otherwise you cannot do what we do. And, and if you look at how the libel situation works in, in other countries, they cannot, they do not have the freedoms that we have and, and they’re reporting this not as good as a result.

[00:27:14] Christina: It’s just not. Um, but in my opinion, just looking at, at like what the facts were as we saw them, I was like, okay, if there’s ever been a case of libel actually happening, this is an instance. And I was very worried about the precedent that would be set. I. If, you know, the court found in, um, in dominion’s favor because I, it was one of those things where you, you worry could a New York Times versus Sullivan thing could, could something like that be unset and that that would be a disaster for, for, for, for the press and for freedom of the press.

[00:27:49] Christina: So I think, sorry, go on.

[00:27:50] Brett: No, somatic has said that they won’t settle for less than Dominion, got 737 million. Um, [00:28:00] which means because their, uh, their value, their valuation is lower than Dominions, uh, that the settlement would be like the ratio would be off and it would almost be a benefit to Fox to go to trial. Um, do you think that that is a danger, uh, in the way that Dominion was?

[00:28:26] Christina: I don’t think it is in the same way, but I do think it is a danger. I’ll also say, and I’m not a lawyer, but just watching these things, that feels like a bluff to me to be like, we won’t settle for any less. I feel like if somebody comes with a really good offer, especially with the amount of billable hours and things they’ve had, at a certain point, if you don’t take it, it looks really bad.

[00:28:45] Christina: Especially because I don’t think, and again, not to say that the case isn’t really strong. But Smart Matic wasn’t the name that you heard all the time. Like I think the reason that it was a slam dunk for Dominion was because most of us had never heard of that company before, and then all of a sudden [00:29:00] we heard it and we heard it in a really negative way.

[00:29:02] Christina: Where I think you can draw a direct parallel to there being like immeasurable and demonstrable like impact damages. Like I think you can do it. I don’t know if you can make the same argument Formatic. I don’t. I, I honestly don’t. And so I think that would be a gamble and I think they’d be stupid to not settle for 500 million or 350 million like I think they would be.

[00:29:22] Christina: So I think we’ll see. But I do, I do have that concern. Um, but um, I think that so far anyway, this has been the best possible scenario because we don’t have the precedent set to potentially like, Dis, you know, to, to, uh, potentially like, you know, unth thwart no New York Times versus Sullivan. Um, but we also are seeing very real impact on the business, on the news business, uh, which is what you want, right?

[00:29:51] Christina: This was a big enough judge, this was a big enough settlement. It’s not like they can just come back from this. It’s 25% of their cash and equivalence is the amount of money they’ve [00:30:00] had to pay. Like they had to finance this in very specific ways to even, you know, be able to pay this off. Like, this is not a small thing.

[00:30:07] Christina: I could see Dominion potentially doing like, and not Dominion Smart Medic. Maybe they would get away with their, um, you know, their, their, their stance. Maybe they could wiggle room if it was like maybe a stock in cash thing. Like I could see that as, as being maybe, you know, part of it being like, oh, well, we’ll, we’ll get a certain amount of equity or, or stock grants or something else.

[00:30:27] Christina: I, I, I don’t know how that would work, but, um, It really did impact them significantly in the pocket. And now as we’re seeing, it’s having, uh, a very significant impact on, um, on their talent and on their programming. So I think that’s a win for democracy and for like fresh freedoms for all of it.

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[00:34:21] Christina: I was gonna, I was gonna say, this is what appeals to me. Um, I’m, I’m, um, I’m sad now that I didn’t like, fill out the form, that I didn’t like pay attention

[00:34:28] Brett: You didn’t do it.

[00:34:29] Christina: I didn’t do it. No, but, but because the, this is the thing that appeals to me, like the frozen meals. Like it’s not, it’s not,

[00:34:36] Brett: they’re never as good.

[00:34:38] Christina: yeah, I’m not, and again, I’m like, I’m not opposed to that, but like, in theory.

[00:34:41] Christina: But it’s just, yeah, they’re never as good. And then, I’ll be honest with you, the meal kits, that’s, that’s too much effort.

[00:34:47] Brett: That’s paying, that’s paying somebody else to put you to work.

[00:34:50] Christina: Exactly. Right. You know, that, that, I mean, you know, that’s, that’s like the blue apron. Like you have like the single egg, like in like the little cute container with all the plastic and stuff.

[00:34:58] Christina: And again, that’s fine. But again, like if I’m [00:35:00] ordering these meal plans, it’s because I don’t have like the, the talent to put these things together. Like shopping is not the problem. I could just order food directly from a delivery like grocery store or go to the grocery store myself. It’s, it, it is the putting it all together part that for me is a challenge, um, as with a, a cooking challenge person and an A D H D time management challenge person.

[00:35:23] Christina: So I, I like this, that they’re like not frozen, that they