322: Chicago Dibs!

Chicago Dibs!

[00:00:00] Intro: Tired. So tired, Overtired.

[00:00:04] Christina: Hello, you are listening to Overtired, a podcast with, uh, me. I’m Christina Warren, and I’m joined by my great friends, Brett Terpstra and Jeff Severns Guntzel, and, um, I’m back. I, I was, I was in Los Angeles and then Sandy, Utah. So, um, I’m, I’m back and I’m glad to be

[00:00:25] Jeffrey: Sandy, Utah.

[00:00:30] Christina: It

[00:00:31] Brett: Who doesn’t love you?

[00:00:33] Christina: I mean, look, it is beautiful. Like even the airport, which is, you know, uh, recently been, been like, basically they raised it and, and, um, it looks great. Like you see the mountains and it’s a beautiful place. But the problem with going to a conference in Sandy is there’s like nothing out there.

[00:00:48] Christina: It’s, it’s just like Baron like,

[00:00:51] Brett: that actually the name of a city? I just thought you meant Sandy, like Utah

[00:00:55] Christina: no. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Sorry, sorry. No, no. To be clear, that, [00:01:00] that that was not an adjective, that was actually the name of, of, of the, of the town I was in. Yeah.

[00:01:07] Brett: Sandy, Utah.

[00:01:08] Jeffrey: San

[00:01:09] Brett: What’s the big mountain bike destination in Utah? There’s like a national

[00:01:14] Jeffrey: not Moab, moabs, where the, that’s where the Jeeps

[00:01:17] Brett: climbing. Climbing. It’s the climbing, the big climbing and, and mountain biking. Destina, Moab. Yeah. I have friends who used to make, uh, regular pilgrimages to Moab. I think that’s where the big swing is that you can like swing across like the desert

[00:01:34] Brett: It’s

[00:01:34] Brett: huge. It’s

[00:01:35] Christina: I mean that Okay. That

[00:01:36] Brett: 80 feet.

[00:01:37] Christina: I mean, that, that does actually sound fun. Um, I mean, look, it’s beautiful. Uh, and, and if I’d been there for like, to go skiing or something, then that, that might maybe would’ve been different. I was there for Dev Day Salt Lake City, uh, which again took place in Sandy. Um, and, uh, I think is because it was close to where some businesses were.

[00:01:55] Christina: But, um, my only other experience with Utah has been in Park [00:02:00] City, uh, for Sundance. And so this was not Sundance, let’s just say that.

[00:02:05] Brett: Sure. Yeah. When I was a Mormon. kidding.

[00:02:11] Jeffrey: It sounds like the, the spoken beginning of a song when I was a Mormon

[00:02:19] Old People are Touring!

[00:02:19] Brett: previous Swiss career as an architect, um, man ministry is touring again to Duran. Duran is touring again. Uh, the Cure is touring again. Skinny Puppy is touring again. Like all

[00:02:33] Brett: the

[00:02:34] Christina: Taylor Swift is touring.

[00:02:36] Jeffrey: Taylor Swift is touring

[00:02:38] Brett: Like Taylor Swift is at least more recent, like skinny puppy touring. That’s kinda like, whoa.

[00:02:44] Brett: Like that is. That is so, like my childhood is, is back. Like I could get tickets for basically the entire lineup of like 1995 alternative music right now.

[00:02:59] Jeffrey: know what’s [00:03:00] still one of the most bizarre collaborations of all time is, uh, Al Jorgenson from Ministry, who is a, he looks so awful right

[00:03:08] Brett: Yeah.

[00:03:08] Brett: He,

[00:03:09] Jeffrey: and, is a notorious sort of like junky, like forever guy, uh, and an asshole. And he had a side project for one album with Ian Mackay from Fugazi, the

[00:03:20] Brett: what was that? Which one was that?

[00:03:21] Jeffrey: uh, I can’t remember the name, but they did it

[00:03:26] Brett: he had so many side projects. Pig face being the most notable one, but I, yeah, I would, I would love to hear what he did with Ian McKay. That would be

[00:03:34] Jeffrey: It’s not that good. It’s not that good. I saw ministry in 1992. It was awesome, but

[00:03:42] Brett: Uh, the Mind is a terrible thing to taste that.

[00:03:46] Jeffrey: Uh, no, it was the, um, the one after that, uh, the, the, what is it? Jesus Hot

[00:03:52] Brett: Jesus built my heart Rod.

[00:03:54] Jeffrey: Yeah. And I remember when I, it was Lollapalooza, the second Lollapalooza, and it was [00:04:00] ministry and all their like, you know, like blinding flashing lights and dark colors kind of vibe. And then Eddie Vetter in a, I think a sheep’s head, a sheep’s head mask holding, uh, like a long stick with another, some kind of head on it.

[00:04:17] Jeffrey: It’s very strange.

[00:04:18] Brett: I went to, uh, I went, this is, this is very rapidly turned into a, a very organic conversation, but I went to, uh, an art opening at, it’s, it’s a local bar called Ed’s No Name Bar, which is no longer even owned by ed’s, but it’s just, he never felt like naming it. So it literally became no name. Like if you look it up on, on Google, it’ll be the no name

[00:04:45] Jeffrey: Yeah, but putting Eds in there

[00:04:47] Brett: Right. Kind of. Yeah. Kind of. Right. Um, but it became this real like arts hotspot. Like they always have like, uh, some local artists, like all around the second room [00:05:00] and it’s, it’s the crunchy hangout. It’s where all the granola people go to drink and, uh, they have live music, like seems like four, four nights a week.

[00:05:10] Brett: They have live music, um, on a shitty little stage with horrible acoustics. But, um, but I went to an art opening there that was a women and non-binary art show, and it was like ages maybe 15 to 70, like just artists from all walks of life. And there was this weird theme of goat horns. Most of the subjects of the paintings were female, but they had goat horns, which is obviously like a masculine, as far as biology goes.

[00:05:47] Brett: It’s a masculine thing, but it also has like pagan origins. So we had these long conversations about what does it mean that all of these separate artists were drawn toward the idea of goat horns in [00:06:00] their,

[00:06:00] Brett: in

[00:06:00] Jeffrey: wasn’t the official theme. It

[00:06:01] Brett: No, it just happened.

[00:06:03] Brett: It was just

[00:06:03] Jeffrey: like some sort of satanist problem in Winona?

[00:06:06] Brett: Yeah. Satanic panic all over again.

[00:06:08] Jeffrey: Mm-hmm. sounds like it. Sounds like it. Yeah. Well, it’s all the people can tour and I’m still never gonna go to shows. Um,

[00:06:18] Brett: Right.

[00:06:19] Jeffrey: unfortunately.

[00:06:20] Christina: Yeah, I was, I’m trying to, they, they don’t have the, the, the tickets out yet. They’re just like, oh, like, notify me when they’re, when, when we know where we’re going. But, uh, dashboard confessional one of my favorite bands. I mean, it’s really one guy, the band is, is incidental and Counting Crows, genuinely. One of my favorite bands

[00:06:38] Jeffrey: Oh yeah,

[00:06:38] Brett: Excellent. Excellent.

[00:06:39] Christina: touring together.

[00:06:40] Christina: And, uh, and so, and, and they’re like two different generations. So that, that’ll be interesting. Um, but, but I’m a massive, massive, massive county Crows fan

[00:06:49] Brett: it’s, it’s kind of like you, uh, when you look at like, uh, differences in dating ages when you’re 20, dating a 15 year old is out of the question. [00:07:00] Uh, but when you are 70 dating a 65 year old, it doesn’t matter anymore. And I feel like dashboard confessional and counting crows have reached an age

[00:07:09] Christina: Oh, 100%.

[00:07:11] Brett: where they can kind of be considered generational at this point.

[00:07:15] Christina: No, no, I, I totally agree. Not only that though, but like, um, musically, like they’re both kind of like, you know, like songwriter, so songwriter driven, you know, like, like, you know, um, an anthem, you know, like, okay, dashboard confessional, arguably kind of like popularized emo, but like Counting Crows like, was like some like sad white man rock, a little bit Whale Rock, you know, in, in, in, in the, you know, August and everything after and whatnot, which I think is like a perfect album.

[00:07:41] Christina: Uh, no notes on that. Like, that’s just a fucking great album. Um, actually like that, like, uh, recovering the satellites and, um, what’s the, uh, the, the next one, the one, the one with, um, uh, colorblind and Mrs. Potters lullaby. And anyway, those three, al those three albums are like, [00:08:00] awesome. Um, and they’re really, really good live.

[00:08:03] Christina: So,

[00:08:04] Jeffrey: I was, I was not a fan of either of those bands, but my friends who were fans, especially of Counting Crows, have seen them recently and said it was just fantastic.

[00:08:11] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. Um, he, he is like, I remember, and this was like 10 years ago, he somehow was like on the cover of like a a r P magazine, and I was like,

[00:08:22] Jeffrey: Great fucking publicist,

[00:08:24] Christina: Totally.

[00:08:26] Jeffrey: I the good news. I got you a cover

[00:08:28] Brett: It’s kind of like counting Crows is kind of like Dave Grohl for me and like the Foo Fighters. Like, I don’t, I don’t care about the music. Uh, but every time I read a really in-depth music review, um, like Dave Grohl grew on me just because of his, like, just being a fucking awesome guy, right? Uh, count Crows grew on me because I would read, uh, music reviews from people that I respected that just talked about how the depth of like the counting [00:09:00] Crows musical discography and, and, and how great the songwriting was.

[00:09:06] Brett: And I’ve heard some songs and I’ve thought, yeah, it’s okay. It’s okay. But, but I have a lot of respect for the Counting Crows just because they, they have impressed people that impressed me.

[00:09:19] Jeffrey: um, just, uh, my, my game today is gonna be bring everything back to Pearl Jam. Um, I remember I was at, I was at Jazz Fest in 1994 in New Orleans, and I was walking past a club where a really big show was happening and he, the singer of Counting Crows was standing in line with, um, Pearl Jam Sweat shorts.

[00:09:37] Christina: Nice.

[00:09:39] Jeffrey: I was like, oh, awesome.

[00:09:40] Jeffrey: Cool. By the way, pale Head, did you say Pale Head, but that’s what it was. Yeah.

[00:09:45] Brett: pig face, but pale head, I

[00:09:46] Jeffrey: Pale Head was Ian mackay Jorgenson. Sorry about that.

[00:09:49] Brett: And with the, with the guitarist pale head.

[00:09:52] Jeffrey: Yeah. No, that’s Buckethead. You’re thinking of

[00:09:53] Brett: Oh, I’m Buckethead,

[00:09:54] Jeffrey: I don’t think Buckethead anything to do with that. Buckethead is a whole nother story. [00:10:00] We’re talking about a man who joined Guns N Roses and still did his special thing of a guitar solo that involved beatboxing, really good robot dancing, incredible nunchuck work, and then back to guitar, but, and all with a bucket on his head.

[00:10:19] Jeffrey: Right. And a, and a mask. Like I could talk about buckethead all fucking day. Um, cuz Wow. But this is pale head anyway. Sorry,

[00:10:28] Brett: pale head. I think I always conflated the two pale pales and buckets.

[00:10:34] Jeffrey: Yeah. Who can blame you? Who can blame?

[00:10:36] Christina: I have no idea what any of this is.

[00:10:38] Jeffrey: God. Buckethead. I’ll send y’all a link and I’ll put it in the show notes, but it’s something to see. I’m telling you. This is a man who is a wizard guitar player. A Wizard Nunchuck Wheeler. A Wizard Beatboxer who only appears in public in a long white trench coat, a K F C bucket on his head, and a white mask, uh, just like a face mask with no [00:11:00] facial features on it.

[00:11:01] Jeffrey: Nobody’s ever, for the most part,

[00:11:03] Christina: so, he’s, so he’s cia basically

[00:11:05] Jeffrey: Yeah, he’s CIA basically. And for, until very recently, he was the guitarist of Guns N Roses. So next to all of that, was fucking Axl Rose. Like, it’s just like the most bizarre. It’s like I had this dream. It was a fucked up dream. This guy had a bucket and Axl was there.

[00:11:19] Christina: and that, that, no, that was real life. Also, a also Guns N Roses are torian again.

[00:11:22] Jeffrey: yes, they are.

[00:11:24] Brett: Are they really?

[00:11:25] Brett: Full original lineup.

[00:11:27] Jeffrey: reg. Mostly not

[00:11:29] Christina: I think not

[00:11:30] Jeffrey: I don’t think Izzy Stradling, well, I noticed Matt Swarms, not the drummer, the second drummer who I never liked, but

[00:11:36] Brett: Dizzy. Dizzy.

[00:11:37] Jeffrey: Izzy straddling Duff.

[00:11:39] Brett: bass. Yeah.

[00:11:41] Jeffrey: Yeah. And some guy Gibby or Gabby, I don’t

[00:11:43] Brett: Izzy. And Dizzy. And

[00:11:44] Jeffrey: Yeah. Truly. It’s just like a comic book anyway.

[00:11:49] Brett: Are they any good? I did not like Chinese Democracy.

[00:11:53] Christina: Well, nothing could be good after like that much buildup, but like

[00:11:57] Brett: After 10

[00:11:58] Jeffrey: And that [00:12:00] voice, that voice was not, that voice was not made to age. Did you see him at Lisa Marie Presley’s funeral?

[00:12:06] Christina: Yeah.

[00:12:07] Jeffrey: He played like, I think November rain on the

[00:12:09] Christina: played November rain on piano.

[00:12:11] Jeffrey: awful. It was like, at least Elvis at the end was still though he looked terrible, had the voice of a fucking angel. And, and to, to somehow put that man in front of Graceland. Wow. And he’s clearly gotten to the point where he’s not self-assessing, you know, he’s like, I’m a fucking rockstar. What?

[00:12:32] Brett: If he ever did, yeah.

[00:12:34] Christina: I, he’s like, I’m gonna do November rain.

[00:12:36] Jeffrey: Yeah. Alone.

[00:12:38] Christina: It’s like o o, okay. Like, that’s a really anthemic, like, beautiful song, but

[00:12:42] Jeffrey: Yes, it is.

[00:12:43] Christina: can, can you do it still? Like,

[00:12:45] Jeffrey: And he sounds like, you know, when you, when you step on a dog toy and then you let your f you let your foot up and it kind of inhales. That’s what his voice sounds like right now.

[00:12:53] Christina: Ugh.

[00:12:54] Brett: Ste. Stephanie Seymour has aged way better than Axl.

[00:12:57] Christina: Well, yeah, totally.

[00:12:58] Jeffrey: a strange.

[00:12:59] Christina: [00:13:00] great music video.

[00:13:01] Brett: It was.

[00:13:01] Jeffrey: man. You kidding me. Loved it. Loved it.

[00:13:04] Brett: And that guitar

[00:13:05] Christina: Oh yeah.

[00:13:06] Brett: November Rain?

[00:13:06] Christina: Yep. Which goes on and on, and that was such a long music video, but it was so good. Like M T V would aired, edited versions sometimes, but

[00:13:13] Jeffrey: Yeah, that’s right.

[00:13:14] Christina: when you could, when you could watch the whole thing, when they would put that on, like after 10:00 PM or whatever, you could watch the whole thing.

[00:13:20] Brett: Like the, the usual Illusion two version. Weren’t there two versions of November Rain between the user illusions,

[00:13:28] Jeffrey: Oh, I don’t think so.

[00:13:29] Brett: which, there was one song, there was a song

[00:13:32] Jeffrey: There was Civil War. There was Civil War That was really long on one

[00:13:35] Brett: on. No, but there was one that was on both albums with slightly different lyrics.

[00:13:41] Jeffrey: Hmm. I believe you and I, I’m kind of sad that I can’t participate even though I listen to

[00:13:47] Christina: Yeah. I was gonna say, I have no idea, because I really only knew. The stuff that was on M T V and I was really

[00:13:52] Brett: Okay.

[00:13:53] Christina: when you know, they were like at their peak

[00:13:56] Jeffrey: It’s that the thing, the thing , there’s a, a real [00:14:00] demarcation with that band and it’s when Axl started wearing like incredibly tight spandex, short shorts, it’s like, that’s when you, that’s when everything just got a little out of control. But anyway,

[00:14:13] Brett: Um, I’m, I’m looking this up. Disc one, oh, it was don’t cry, I think

[00:14:20] Jeffrey: Don’t you cry?

[00:14:22] Brett: No, wait. Oh, there, wait. The, the, the deluxe release had four discs.

[00:14:30] Jeffrey: That’s but that’s recent. That’s recent though.

[00:14:33] Christina: Yeah. The only band that was doing multiple disks in

[00:14:36] Brett: Yeah. No, it was, it was, it was, don’t cry on, on unusual illusion. Two, there was an alternate lyrics.

[00:14:42] Jeffrey: Okay. Okay.

[00:14:44] Christina: smashing pumpkins is also torn. Again, I will not see them. Because it’s not smashing Pumpkins, it’s Billy Corgan and whatever random people have agreed to continue to tour with him.

[00:14:54] Jeffrey: Yeah.

[00:14:55] Brett: see a good mashup of Smashing Pumpkins. Unplugged [00:15:00] with Dua Lipa.

[00:15:01] Christina: Oh, that I bet would be amazing.

[00:15:04] Brett: I’ll see if I can find that for the show notes.

[00:15:06] Christina: they did unplugged and they did unplug more than 20 years ago, cuz like he basically retired or said he was gonna retire in, in the band in, in 2000 or whatever. Um, cuz I went to one of the final shows and I remember he did like a VH1 storytellers. Um, that was really good.

[00:15:26] Christina: And, and, and that might be, I think that, I think it was that instead, but they might have had an unplugged, but it might have been the VH1 storytellers that, that they used for the mashup.

[00:15:33] Brett: the, the thing about Smashing Pumpkins is their songwriting in general. Par for the course at the time, but his recording methods like layering 15, 20, 30 guitar tracks on top of each other in creating like, like the, the Ramones, the, the rock and roll ar, the, uh, rock and Roll radio [00:16:00] era, like Wall of Sound.

[00:16:01] Brett: I can’t remember the producer’s name behind that,

[00:16:04] Jeffrey: Phil, uh, Phil

[00:16:05] Christina: full

[00:16:05] Brett: yeah. Yeah. So like this idea of the wall of sound. Sure, sure. . Yes. Um, but like, it came to this head kind of with Smashing Pumpkins, where they created this wall of guitar, like Billy Corrigan created this wall of guitar that you couldn’t even pick out.

[00:16:24] Brett: A guitar sound from, cuz it was so many layered tracks and that like listening to Siamese dreamed the album, like the recorded album is a totally different experience than seeing a live video because they were a studio band, in my opinion.

[00:16:40] Christina: No, they were, although I think that they did well at live stuff. Cause I have a, because they, that was my very first favorite band. And so I have a lot of like bootlegs and like live recordings and stuff that I collected over the years. But you’re right. And then I think, but the big thing obviously was melancholy and the infinite sadness when he is very, brings in the strings and, and, and the [00:17:00] orchestra and again, the layering and then just has so many hits off of that album, which was a double album in an era when that was a hard sell because you didn’t have streaming, you didn’t have, you know, other ways, like you had to buy the whole damn, like, two disk thing.

[00:17:16] Christina: Um, but, uh, but then, you know, it’s just the interpersonal stuff unfortunately kind of got in the way. And, and I, and I didn’t mind that the, um, like after Darcy left, I didn’t mind the album with, um, Melissa, um, uh, from whole,

[00:17:32] Christina: um, exactly off tomorrow. Um, and, and man, she has to be like, She has to be a saint cuz

[00:17:39] Jeffrey: she’s put up with some fucking

[00:17:41] Christina: that’s what I’m saying.

[00:17:42] Christina: She had to deal with Courtney love during like peak bad Courtney love period. And she was dealing with Billy Corgan during like peak bad Billy Corgan. Like, holy shit, Melissa, like you’re a, like, you deserve better , you know,

[00:17:57] Jeffrey: Yeah, yeah.

[00:17:58] Brett: How did this, [00:18:00] so, you know what wasn’t on our list of things to talk about today?

[00:18:03] Christina: was music.

[00:18:05] Brett: It was music in general, especially like nineties music. Uh, somehow we spent 20 minutes doing this. I, I can’t even remember how it started. Um, But that’s okay. That was, that was a fun four four. I’m gonna guess our target demo.

[00:18:22] Brett: That was a fun, little fun little walk

[00:18:25] Christina: I think so. I think that that was just like, that was a, that was also a very h d like thing to do. Like we just went on like a genuine, like h d tangent and we didn’t stop ourselves. I’m kind of, I’m kind of into that.

[00:18:35] Jeffrey: Yep.

[00:18:36] Brett: a, I went to a 70 year old trans woman’s poetry reading and, uh, she revealed, she had just been diagnosed with a D H D at like, the age of 60. And like, she had always been a poet. She was very creative, used to be a blues musician. Um, and, and just like all of my questions after, after the reading, you know, [00:19:00] like o open questions, all my questions were like, tell me about being diagnosed.

[00:19:06] Brett: At the age of 60. How did that, how did that change things? Did it change things at all? Did that like change your view? Did it change your poetry? Did it change anything? The basic answer was no. I had just, uh, learned to accommodate my brain at that point. Um, but anyway, sorry, that was an ADHD thing.

[00:19:28] Christina: no, no. Totally. Okay. Um,

[00:19:29] Christina: on

[00:19:30] Jeffrey: You’re like all of my questions.

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[00:19:32] Christina: was gonna say no. No. Um, uh, I, I was just gonna say, this is a great segue, uh, to talk about our sponsor, Zocdoc. Cuz if you’re looking for a diagnosis and you need to find a doctor, uh, I figured we could do our zoc read and then come back and do a mental health corner.

[00:19:46] Brett: Well done. Perfect

[00:19:48] Christina: All right?

[00:19:48] Brett: you.

[00:19:49] Christina: All right. So if you are looking for a doctor because you’re trying to find a cause for your symptoms, Maybe you think you have a d h D, you know, you’re having a hard time focusing. Um, [00:20:00] you, uh, find yourself, uh, kind of pull down rabbit holes. Uh, you might fidget a lot. There are a lot of, there are lot, lot, lot of symptoms.

[00:20:07] Christina: You know, you stumble down a TikTok rabbit hole full of questionable advice from so-called experts. And look, do not trust TikTok for health advice. I cannot say that enough times. Like, do not take medical advice from people on TikTok. That is how you get ants. That is also how like you potentially wind up in the emergency room.

[00:20:24] Christina: Um, there are better ways to get the answers that you want and the care that you deserve from trusted professionals and not random people on the internet. So Zocdoc helps you find expert doctors in medical professionals that specialize in the care you need and deliver the type of experience you want.

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[00:20:58] Christina: Uh, this is a thing I’m, [00:21:00] I’m, I’m, I’m going, dealing with right now, and you’re trying to hold it together, finding great care shouldn’t take up all of your energy, and that’s where Zoc Dot comes in. So using their free app that millions of users rely on, including myself, you can find the right doctor that meets your needs, fits your schedule, takes your insurance.

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[00:21:43] Podcast Swap: Mental Chillness

[00:21:43] Brett: Speaking of mental health. Thank you, Christina. That was a perfect, that was a perfect one. Take read. Um, uh, speaking of mental health though, we, we do have a promo swap, uh, where once again, uh, swapping with mental chillness, [00:22:00] uh, do you want to tell us about that?

[00:22:02] Jeffrey: Yeah, sure. Um, if you’re looking for more mental health podcasts, if you’re in the market, mental chillness is a safe space that heals with the power of laughter, as that sounds nice. It’s led by Khan and Jules, two people with mental illness that come together weekly with occasional guests to share their daily process of working towards mental chillness.

[00:22:26] Jeffrey: Coming from childhood environments that weren’t open about mental wellbeing and emotional self-regulation, Khan and Jewel are opening up the conversations of the everyday struggles of dealing with A D H D, depression and anxiety, epilepsy, and growing into adulthood. They share tips and tricks of emotional awareness from their personal experiences and how they hold themselves accountable through personal bs.

[00:22:51] Jeffrey: What does that mean?

[00:22:53] Brett: It means bullshit.

[00:22:54] Jeffrey: Personal bullshit. Hold themselves accountable through personal bullshit.

[00:22:59] Brett: Why? I think [00:23:00]

[00:23:00] Jeffrey: Check out the podcast. And the way they know how to do it best is with humor. You can keep up with them on any podcast platform and the YouTube channel. Mental chillness for full video contents, mental chillness, Just, I’m just trying to help our own listeners get chill.

[00:23:21] Brett: We’re also on YouTube, if that’s where you prefer to listen to podcast. Look up Overtired on YouTube. We even published some fun shorts.

[00:23:29] Jeffrey: Yep. And I’m auctioning mine. Ha

[00:23:34] Christina: But I’ll bump.

[00:23:37] Jeffrey: Okay. Hi everybody.

[00:23:38] Mental Health Corner

[00:23:38] Brett: I’m just doing feet picks. Should we do mental health Corner?

[00:23:42] Christina: should. Oh my God. Feet picks. Don’t do that. Don’t do that, Brett.

[00:23:45] Brett: I can’t, I have this weird thing on my heels

[00:23:48] Christina: Oh yeah,

[00:23:49] Brett: I think, that I think is like fungal, but they’re like armored. I have like callouses that in case my, and I do not walk around enough to deserve callouses [00:24:00] like that something is

[00:24:01] Jeffrey: What about, do

[00:24:02] Brett: I cannot show this to anyone other than a skin doctor.

[00:24:05] Jeffrey: or a Pedicurist

[00:24:08] Christina: No, they are so judgmental and mean.

[00:24:11] Brett: went,

[00:24:12] Jeffrey: haven’t had that experience yet, but that’s, I’ve only had a couple,

[00:24:15] Brett: we have, we have a, uh, a technical college in town that has a cosmetology school and you can for like five bucks, go get

[00:24:25] Brett: a

[00:24:25] Jeffrey: student anything.

[00:24:27] Brett: and I went, I went, my mom convinced me. She’s like, let’s go get a pedicure. And I’m like, fine, whatever. So I go and they do a chemical bath on my feet and they scrub them, they scrub them clean, which is, it’s nice.

[00:24:42] Brett: My feet are soft. They put a fucking clear coat on my toenails, which I hated. Um,

[00:24:47] Jeffrey: You could say no to the clear

[00:24:48] Brett: I, I didn’t know. I didn’t, I didn’t know what they meant when they said, do you want a clear coat on your toenails? I’m like that, sure.

[00:24:55] Jeffrey: just learning. Yeah.

[00:24:57] Brett: but the chemical bath left a [00:25:00] circle, a dry, a spot, a circle of dry skin on the top of my foot.

[00:25:05] Brett: That lasted for two

[00:25:07] Jeffrey: Jesus. Two years.

[00:25:09] Brett: Two years. I had this

[00:25:11] Jeffrey: Wait, this was at the school.

[00:25:14] Brett: I mean, I wasn’t at the school for two years, but yeah. This

[00:25:16] Brett: happened

[00:25:17] Jeffrey: saying this was the student pedicurist. Uh, no way, man. I was getting, I was getting a, when I lived in New York, I, I got a, um, root canal from a student dentist

[00:25:29] Christina: Oh

[00:25:30] Jeffrey: and at, at Columbia School of Dentist Gym, like, oh, it’s fucking Columbia. Maybe the students are just a little better, you know what happened?

[00:25:36] Jeffrey: So he is, he, this was back in the day where, you know how now they give you like wraparound sunglasses, like you’re fucking barbecuing. Um, and so this was before that. This was when they wore wraparound sunglasses. Um, and, and he was wearing wraparound sunglasses for some reason, and he was doing the filing in my root with the tiny, tiny file, and then he stopped for a minute.

[00:25:57] Jeffrey: And he’s looking and he’s looking, and I, I [00:26:00] motioned for him to take the cotton and shit outta my mouth. And I said, what’s up ? And he goes, I just broke the file off in your route. And so he had to get his, he had to get his, uh, you know,

[00:26:12] Christina: He had to get his boss.

[00:26:14] Jeffrey: or whatever. And in the end of the day,

[00:26:16] Christina: real dentist.

[00:26:17] Jeffrey: yeah, all they could do was Intuit in there.

[00:26:19] Jeffrey: Like, it’s in there. It’s fucking in there. And they were, I was like, could this be a problem someday? They’re like, maybe. I’m like, okay, thanks. I was done with student shit at that point, but he said this look on his face. And I’m like, okay, before you do anything else, you’re gonna tell me why you look like that right now.

[00:26:35] Brett: so would you leave your body to science knowing that it would be students that were

[00:26:39] Jeffrey: I can’t stand the idea leaving my body to science. I had a, I had a cousin who was in medical school and he once, he would sometimes randomly send me pictures of corpse feet while I was in meetings with my phone up. And I was so disturbed by his decision to do that, you know, and I hated, I just felt so [00:27:00] disrespectful, right?

[00:27:00] Jeffrey: Like, um, that I was like, man, I don’t know if I could leave my body to science. I don’t want someone just like toying around. But then again, I don’t know, I’m

[00:27:07] Brett: feel like, I feel like once we get.

[00:27:09] Christina: I was like, I’m gone. I don’t really care. I mean, my whole thing is like, are they actually gonna use it for anything interesting or is it just gonna be like,

[00:27:19] Jeffrey: I don’t want it to be like the lesson for the day, like, here’s

[00:27:22] Christina: that’s what I’m saying.

[00:27:23] Christina: Yeah.

[00:27:23] Jeffrey: Yeah.

[00:27:25] Brett: We should, uh, we should talk about green burial sometime, but first, mental health corner. You’ve all been waiting. It’s time. Now. We’re at 27 minutes in, uh, the mental health corner. Who wants to kick us off? And the answer could be me, but I’ll, I’ll let you guys decide.

[00:27:45] Christina: You go.

[00:27:46] Jeffrey: Yeah, go ahead.

[00:27:47] Brett: Okay, so I’m in this weird fucking cycle.

[00:27:50] Brett: Um, like anyone who’s listening to this show knows that I have like bout to mania that lasts three to five days, followed by a couple weeks of [00:28:00] depression, usually followed by something that could maybe be considered stability, but still leans towards depression. Lately, I’ve been having one day manic cycles.

[00:28:11] Brett: Uh, like I’ll loose sleep for one night, or I’ll get up super early and I’ll just bl like blister through a bunch of code and create a bunch of stuff and be like firing on all cylinders. And then before the end of the day, I’ll feel it crash. And then for like three days I’ll, I won’t be able to wake up in the morning.

[00:28:31] Brett: I’ll just sleep constantly and then get to. What is actually a, a pretty decent stable, uh, not totally depressed, um, which will last a couple days and then boom, another like one day mania. And I don’t know what to make of this. Uh, the cyclo, emia, cyclo Mia is like the one explanation that I’ve been able to find, but I’ve not had a, a psychiatrist [00:29:00] appointment since this started happening.

[00:29:02] Brett: So I don’t have any like, uh, any medical advice on, on what’s going on, but it has been. It has been weird and oddly sustainable. Like, I can work with this, like, being productive every four days of having like a day where I do four days worth of shit. Uh, and then just kinda like sleep and then like have it come back instead of like that three, four weeks of like, not knowing if it’ll ever happen again.

[00:29:31] Brett: Just like having this rapid like turnaround. Um, I, it’s not ideal, like, uh, yeah, it’s, it’s not perfect. I have seriously been looking into microdosing

[00:29:49] Christina: Okay.

[00:29:49] Brett: and like the people that I know that are doing it have seen major improvements in. Depression. [00:30:00] And I think, and I, I, I’ve not, I’ve not run this by my psychiatrist yet, but I will before I do anything.

[00:30:07] Brett: Um, but I think that, uh, like shrooms, for example, could, could help with depression without affecting my other medication. Like, the reason I can’t take an antidepressant is because it can trigger mania. And because I’m bipolar, I can’t effectively treat depression, uh, without risking elevating my mood too far.

[00:30:33] Brett: Um, but I feel like, uh, the, the lesser studied realm of psychotropics. In treatment of depression, and maybe even like ketamine therapy or something. But I feel like a lot of those could have positive results without the usual, uh, downsides of antidepressants for me. So that’s a thing. And I will keep, I will [00:31:00] keep our listeners posted.

[00:31:01] Brett: Um, I, I’m going to do this very carefully and under the advice of medical professionals, but, uh, it is something I’m very curious about.

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