307: Insidious Curly Taxonomies

Insidious Curly Taxonomies

[00:00:00] Intro-Outro: Tired. So tired, Overtired.

[00:00:04] Jeff 1: Hello everybody. Hello. You there in the kitchen and you there in your car?

[00:00:09] Brett 1: You there in the bushes?

[00:00:11] Jeff 1: the rain dripping on your windshield in the bushes. Ugh. Is that like a USB speaker situation? One of those little ones. I am Jeff Severance Gunzel, one of three hosts of the Overtired podcast. Although only two hosts are here for the first few minutes.

[00:00:30] One of them is Brett Terpstra

[00:00:33] Brett 1: Hello, Jeff?

[00:00:34] Jeff 1: and Christina’s, uh, Taylor Swift. She’s getting

[00:00:37] Brett 1: Let, let me read you, uh, Christina’s last message in our, in our group chat says, start without me. I’ve gotta get tickets for my mom.

[00:00:48] Jeff 1: Hmm. Been there. I’ve never been there.

[00:00:52] Brett 1: I’ve never been there.

[00:00:53] Jeff 1: That’s not true. I bought my mom and I tickets for a Parliament Funkadelic show in Chicago about five or 10 years ago. My first, my first concert was my mom and her boyfriend took me to the Met Center here in Minnesota, in Bloomington, and, uh, where the Mall of America now stands.

[00:01:14] And we went and saw, uh, the, the Parliament. And I was like five years old.

[00:01:18] Brett 1: You got the pee funk?

[00:01:20] Jeff 1: I got no memories, but the band lives in me.

[00:01:24] Brett 1: wait. You were young enough that you have no memories, but you bought the tickets.

[00:01:27] Jeff 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Come on now. Focus. I bought the tickets. I bought the,

[00:01:33] Brett 1: right away.

[00:01:35] Jeff 1: I bought the tickets for five to 10 years ago when we saw Parliament Funkadelic,

[00:01:39] Brett 1: Oh,

[00:01:40] Jeff 1: honor of, and as a thank you for taking me in

[00:01:43] Brett 1: Oh my God. Yeah. I’m super scattered today. Like you started talking and I just immediately, just immediately left the room. I’m sorry. It’s not personal. It’s not at all

[00:01:54] Jeff 1: familiar with this response. One time I was, I was upset that my partner had forgotten something that I had told her. And, and I said, I, I mean, it was important. I told, you know, I told you. And, and, and she goes, but you say so much And I was like, oh man. Touche. You won that round.

[00:02:18] Brett 1: right before this episode, I had a therapy appointment and it struck me that my therapist remembers stuff we’ve talked about. Like I don’t, I don’t remember te telling my therapist all kinds of things and he is like, well, a couple weeks ago you mentioned this person and, and your relationship and this regard.

[00:02:38] And I was like, really? We talked about that? Holy shit. Um, But I also appreciate about my therapist that I can change the topic whenever I get bored and he’ll just track with me. He’s like, okay, we’re talking about this now. Which is like having a conversation with an ADHD person who’s perfectly willing to jump when you jump.

[00:02:59] Jeff 1: Well, it’s also like, it’s like I, I would imagine if you’re a therapist and your client is sort of suddenly bouncing out of a topic that, that’s data

[00:03:11] Brett 1: yeah. Yeah, for sure. Scratching the notepad.

[00:03:16] Jeff 1: I see.

[00:03:18] Brett 1: Cannot maintain a train of thought.

[00:03:20] Jeff 1: I had a therapist for about five years and um, who was absolutely incredible at, at holding my story and was able to call back to conversations four years, three years previous in really meaningful, very timely ways. And all she had were handwritten notes and I just thought that was so, I mean, it felt so good and in fact it made it, she retired, which is why I stopped seeing her as the therapist, but like, It was sad to leave just for that reason.

[00:03:56] Selfishly, you know, because it felt like, oh, you , you know so much, you know, maybe more than any other person on earth about me,

[00:04:07] Brett 1: Yeah,

[00:04:10] Jeff 1: just gonna retire. What’s this about? Um, it is a

[00:04:13] Brett 1: But I still need to,

[00:04:15] Jeff 1: I still need you

[00:04:17] Brett 1: yeah.

[00:04:18] Jeff 1: So anyhow, that’s

Mental Health Corner

[00:04:20] Brett 1: Should we do a, should we do a mental health corner, or should we hope that Christina jumps in any second now?

[00:04:27] Jeff 1: Yeah. You wanna talk a mental health corner? Should we walk over here to the corner? Come on over

[00:04:31] Brett 1: Yeah, come on.

[00:04:33] Jeff 1: little stool for you. It’s green.

[00:04:35] Brett 1: I went to a preschool called Poo Corner.

[00:04:38] Jeff 1: No?

[00:04:39] Brett 1: Um, after Winnie the Poo, not, not, you know,

[00:04:44] Jeff 1: Oh, not poo poo. Yeah, no, I, I was tracking, but actually it’s really good you clarified.

[00:04:48] Brett 1: not Poop Corner, but, uh, yeah. At our graduation there were posters of, uh, Winnie and Piglet, and I definitely grew up with a fascination for Winnie the po. Did you ever see, this is kind of mental health corner because this is the recesses of my brain, but did you ever see the more recent Christopher Robbins movie?

[00:05:14] Jeff 1: No, I did not.

[00:05:15] Brett 1: There’s this amazing moment where he wakes up in the hundred Acre Wood, uh, Christopher Robbins, who’s played by, what’s his name? I don’t remember. Anyway, he wakes up in the a hundred acre wood Christopher Robbins as an adult, and he says, oh no, it’s tomorrow when he looks at his, his watch and Winnie the booth says, oh, that’s weird.

[00:05:35] It’s almost always today.

[00:05:38] Jeff 1: Oh

[00:05:39] Brett 1: Blew my mind.

[00:05:40] Jeff 1: Oh, uh, I love that. Oh, that’s awesome.

[00:05:45] Brett 1: I love winning the PO so much. Um,

[00:05:48] Jeff 1: lots to love, lots to love.

[00:05:51] Brett 1: That’s funny. It’s almost always today, Oh man. So I am, I am not, I’m, I’m not depressed, but I’m depressed. And, and this goes back to my whole thing about how I don’t think I ever find stable. Like I am full of anxiety and self-doubt right now. I’ve been losing sleep over upcoming events that I can’t talk about publicly yet. Um, but like things the, so like there’s something coming up that if it happens, it means a major change in my life and I have to make adaptations.

[00:06:37] Before I can make that change. And uh, it’s both sides of that are very stressful to me and I have stress dreams. Even if I try to convince myself like there’s nothing to stress about, uh, it will keep me up all night. And it’s not mania. I wish it was mania, but it’s just insomnia combined with depression and anxiety.

[00:07:03] And it’s driving me insane right now. Um, and if this thing doesn’t happen, then I have to cope with the idea that, you know, the things that I don’t like aren’t gonna change, uh, which is a whole level of stress on its own. I wish I could say, I wish I could be more elaborate about what’s happening, cuz I do much better when I can speak in plain terms.

[00:07:25] Jeff 1: Let me ask you, I have a question. Have you ever seen the, um, we started with poo and now I’m gonna ask you about the feelings wheel. Have you, have you ever seen that?

[00:07:35] Brett 1: No, I don’t

[00:07:36] Jeff 1: it’s basically a, it’s a wheel , it’s a circle, right? And there are 1, 2, 3 rings of that circle, okay? In the center are these emotions or feelings, anger, sadness, surprise, joy, love and fear, right?

[00:07:51] But what it does in the next layer out, if we take fear, it gives you more words. Scared, terror, insecure, nervous, horror, right?

[00:08:01] Brett 1: I have seen something like

[00:08:02] Jeff 1: For terror, there’s historic, hysterical and panic for scared. There’s helpless and frightened. For insecure, there’s an adequate and inferior. It’s like, it’s actually an amazing way to find the.

[00:08:14] I’m actually looking for, cause you’re just saying, I’m depressed, but I’m not depressed, I’m

[00:08:18] Brett 1: yeah. No, I could use this.

[00:08:20] Jeff 1: what would happen if you looked at that because it does actually give you a language. And I will tell you that having known about this for a long time, my, my partner’s a therapist and just like left it out one day, I don’t think intentionally for me,

[00:08:33] And I remember just feeling like, wow, there is so much language to help me describe or even, or even discover how I feel right now, right when I get locked in the same few words.

[00:08:47] Brett 1: Okay. So I found it. I found it on the internet. And, let’s see. Scared where? Let’s see. Energetic, playful, creative. Sad. Mad. Oh, scared. Okay. So scared. I’m feeling insecure. Foolish. Foolish. Am I feeling foolish? No.

[00:09:10] Jeff 1: Right? It might have a different one.

[00:09:12] Brett 1: It, it goes scared, insecure, and then insecure. Just goes straight to foolish. There’s no like mul.

[00:09:18] Jeff 1: interesting. I think there must be many different versions of the feeling wheel, cuz for me, insecure goes to inadequate and inferior and I’m not, I just grabbed one off the internet too, I

[00:09:27] Brett 1: Inadequate. Inadequate. Makes more sense to me.

[00:09:30] Jeff 1: Mm.

[00:09:30] Brett 1: Oh my God. Yeah. Like every one of these feelings will, is different. Yes. But I, I, I found the one that, that has inferior and, and inadequate, and I am feeling inadequate. Uh, like I can’t, I feel like I can’t, I can’t keep doing what I’m doing because I’m not adequate and I’m worried that I can’t do what I wanna do because I’m not adequate.

[00:09:56] Yeah. I’m feeling inadequate. That’s why, that’s my mental health check-in. I’m feeling inadequate

[00:10:01] Jeff 1: Yeah.

[00:10:02] Brett 1: even though I’ve been told I’m perfectly adequate both by my therapist and by my girlfriend, and by the people in my life. Um, it’s hard to convince myself.

[00:10:16] Jeff 1: or is it yourself, your whole self that you have to convince? Or is there just like a part of yourself that’s going inadequate? Inadequate motherfucker?

[00:10:23] Brett 1: a part of myself. Like there’s a part of me that’s really proud of what I’ve done and what I am. Uh, but there’s, there’s a small nagging, but very loud part of me that is convinced that I will, am not, and never will be adequate. Um, I, I’ve resurfaced the di inspirations. I don’t know if you remember my series,

[00:10:46] Jeff 1: Oh, yes, yes.

[00:10:48] Brett 1: uh, of, of inspirational quotes turned upside down and, uh, one of them is, it’s, it’s true because it’s loud.

[00:10:57] Shout your ever critical inner voice. Um, and it’s not imposter syndrome if it’s true

[00:11:08] Jeff 1: Yeah.

[00:11:09] Brett 1: Um, so

[00:11:10] Jeff 1: Put that motherfucker back in the box.

[00:11:12] Brett 1: Yeah, but I’ve been, I’ve been recycling them. I’m starting to put them out again. But I, uh, I have some ideas for new ones. Uh, I feel like I, the intention is to ruin people’s positive outlooks because I find them annoying. But the fact is the audience that they have is people who commiserate with the, the sentiment.

[00:11:35] Jeff 1: You don’t wanna be the one ruining people’s positive

[00:11:37] Brett 1: No, probably not.

[00:11:39] Jeff 1: but, but, but what you’re doing actually, as you just said, is like you’re giving voice to something. I mean, it’s a, those two, you gave us an example are funny because it’s something that we all experience to some degree or another, for sure.

[00:11:53] Right? For sure. Um, My, uh, my check in is like, you know how when you get strapped into the like rollercoaster or one of those rides, they put you, they put those bar, they put that bar over you and it kind of locks. It’s a little tight. It is for me. I’m a big guy. Um, and then when the, when the rollercoaster first goes, it just like jars you, right?

[00:12:18] Like you, it’s kind of a jolting start, even if it’s just going slow. I feel like I’ve been having that jolt, uh, about 17 times a day. It’s just been a period of one thing after another. Today’s example, uh, flat tire. When I tried to take my kid to school this morning

[00:12:40] Brett 1: I hate flat tires.

[00:12:41] Jeff 1: and eye doctor appointment, cuz there’s just some kind of, not necessarily scary vision stuff, but just not quite easy to understand vision stuff, right?

[00:12:50] These just things keep popping up and, and, uh, oh, here comes Christina.

[00:12:56] Brett 1: Yeah.

[00:12:57] Christina 1: Yeah, I’m entirely too pissed, I think, to be of any use at this podcast to venture. So,

[00:13:02] Jeff 1: You’re not even turning on your video. You’re like, motherfuckers, I am not coming in

[00:13:06] Christina 1: um, I don’t know why it is not, oh, it’s not letting me change it. It’s, it’s wanting to use my phone for some reason. I’m incredibly pissed right now.

[00:13:13] Jeff 1: It’s okay. I mean, if you need to like just take a fucking run up a wall or something, but you’re also welcome here

[00:13:21] Brett 1: Yeah. No. Well, like we, we want you here, but feel free to leave and come back and, and we’ll, we’ll like loop you into this mental health check

[00:13:30] Christina 1: Yeah. My mental health is basically, I’ve spent hours of my life trying to get Taylor Swift tickets and can’t, and now all the tickets are gone, so I’m now going to have to pay. God only knows how much for seats to go with my mom in Atlanta. I don’t know how I’m going to get tickets to Seattle. I did get tickets to New York at least, but motherfucker, I swear to God, I am so fucking pissed right now.

[00:13:55] Jeff 1: So do you need to, to bail and just keep trying

[00:13:58] Christina 1: I’ll check in with you guys later, but this is, this is the Christina angry appearance of Overtired.

[00:14:04] Jeff 1: Should we, should we leave this in or edit it out?

[00:14:05] Christina 1: it in. I don’t care.

[00:14:07] Jeff 1: All right. It’s kind. We’ll leave it

[00:14:08] Brett 1: Yeah. And pop, pop back in anytime

[00:14:10] Christina 1: pop, I’ll pop back in. Hopefully I’ll be able to be successful at some point. All right. Bye.

[00:14:15] Brett 1: All right.

[00:14:16] Jeff 1: All right. Good luck, Christina.

[00:14:17] Brett 1: All right, so we’re stopping and starting on a rollercoaster. You got some eye stuff going on.

[00:14:22] Jeff 1: It’s been a really, uh, hard few weeks because little things have been going wrong constantly, as big things are also going wrong, constantly . So one interesting thing. is there is a nationwide Adderall and thereby vi Vance shortage.

[00:14:46] Brett 1: Oh, really?

[00:14:48] Jeff 1: I can’t get a prescription from mine. I take a pretty small dose, 20 milligrams, although I was planning to jump up a little bit, but, um, friends of mine who have been able to get it have only been able to get it by calling around to all sorts of different

[00:15:06] Brett 1: Oh shit.

[00:15:07] Jeff 1: if they have any.

[00:15:09] Oftentimes finding luck with mom and pop pharmacies, but I would imagine that that’s a phase that will be over quickly once everyone realizes you just need to call the mom and pop pharmacies. And so for me that hasn’t been such a big deal. In fact, it just so happens I had a friend who had stopped taking it and had a bottle of it and um, and so I

[00:15:30] Brett 1: depended on the kindness of strangers before.

[00:15:33] Jeff 1: And so I was able to just kind of re-up that way. Um, but just wanna send, uh, send my, uh, my love and care out to anybody out there for whom it’s a real problem that they can’t, um, get ahold of that particular medication. Cause I know for some that, that it’s, they, it’s, it’s, it’s a lifesaver every day. And I also know that it being sort of an amphetamine, like, you know, you could make bad decisions trying to, uh, fill that.

[00:16:02] Brett 1: here’s my concern. I have a refill coming up on Thursday. If, uh, if I were to go, you know, three to four days without my vivs, when I started again, three, three plus days when I started again, it is almost guaranteed to throw me into a manic episode.

[00:16:23] Jeff 1: Oh.

[00:16:23] Brett 1: Like, uh, drug vacations do not work when you have bipolar.

[00:16:28] So for me to run out is not just a matter of not being able to focus for a few days. It’s a matter of probably losing a, a week or more.

[00:16:38] Jeff 1: I just realized, cuz I’ve, I’ve been, I’ve been noticing the last couple days, I feel pretty well treated for bipolar overall. Um, but I do have periods where I feel like, I’m sure this isn’t how it works, this is how it feels like it’s in there, but it’s not quite getting through. Right. And it pops out in certain ways.

[00:17:03] Right. Wow. I just filled that Amazon cart pretty full, you know, like, I’m just gonna go ahead and close that, like, that kind of stuff, you know? And I re I’m, you’re helping me to realize two things. One, That I should be paying close attention to that, given that I did take about a week off cause I ran out and then started at a higher dose.

[00:17:24] Brett 1: yep. That’ll

[00:17:24] Jeff 1: Um, and also just one more thing for me to worry about with people out there in the world who can’t get it, knowing that that can be, uh, what happens if you, if you have to take a break and come back to it. So that really sucks.

[00:17:39] Brett 1: Well, I mean, and it’s not just like, uh, being on stimulants long term fucks with your. Your brain’s ability to produce things like dopamine and serotonin. Um, it alters the way that your brain produces those chemicals. And when you are suddenly without something that your brain has depended on to produce something like dopamine, um, going on and off of it can greatly affect the levels of those chemicals, which, when you have a chemical imbalance like bipolar, uh, can easily lead to swings in one direction or the other.

[00:18:17] Jeff 1: Yeah. Wow. Wow. Okay. Wow. That’s a, that’s a bad situation. That shortage. And I don’t, I don’t have a sense of how quickly it’s supposed to come back. Um,

[00:18:29] Brett 1: What’s sad is if you really wanted to, you could probably find cocaine pretty easily, um, which is guaranteed to send you into a manic

[00:18:38] Jeff 1: Well, and this is what I meant when I said, you know, it worries me because it is an amphetamine that it might be if somebody has a history or just knows how to get cocaine because they did it right and is feeling a little desperate, maybe that’s, you know, a risk. And so everybody out there, be strong.

[00:18:57] Brett 1: Be strong. I know exactly what bar to go to in town to find Coke

[00:19:03] Jeff 1: Any bar

[00:19:04] Brett 1: Yeah. Yeah. Like I know where I, I know where all the Coke heads in town hang out. I know exactly what bar to go to and, and I won’t. Um, I don’t, I don’t need that. My life is fucked up enough already.

[00:19:21] Jeff 1: Yeah. So that’s sort of a mental health check in. Um, otherwise there’s just been a lot of activity in my life that is like, I’ve been noticing partly because of medication, but I think also because I have remembered to remind myself how much I have been through in my life and how many hard things I have passed through and possibly hard things I have passed through.

[00:19:47] And I kind of had that talk with myself because there’s so much coming up and I’ve noticed that now when things like the jolt, what would’ve been the jolt? I actually don’t even feel the jolt. I just kind of go, okay, we’re pivoting now. We’ve got a tire to be concerned about, you know? Um, and so , maybe that’s my advice to anybody out there and talking to all you, you’ve already been through so much, you can get through this too.

[00:20:11] Uh, is is my advice.

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nvUltra News!

[00:22:10] Jeff 1: Brett,

[00:22:11] Brett 1: Yes,

[00:22:12] Jeff 1: you have an NV Ultra.

[00:22:14] Brett 1: I do.

[00:22:16] Jeff 1: Is it a big update? A little update? A medium update?

[00:22:18] Brett 1: No, it’s more of like a what the fuck’s going on. Update.

[00:22:23] Jeff 1: You mean, uh, you’re gonna answer that question, not you’re asking it

[00:22:27] Brett 1: Yeah, so, so I had a, I had a meeting with my co-author of Nvi Ultra Fletcher right before this podcast, and we haven’t talked for a couple months and, uh, things have been kind of like, we’ve just been putting out beta updates to keep it from expiring while, while we sort through some shit. Um, Fletcher has a lot going on.

[00:22:54] He is essentially the only person who can, uh, solve some of the bugs. Like he, he, he owns the code for a good portion of NBI Ultra, and I am entirely dependent on him to fix certain things. And, uh, we had a meeting today. We, we went through our checklist of what’s stopping us from releasing our 1.0. Uh, figuring out what, what is.

[00:23:25] A showstopper, like what has to be done before 1.0 and what we can do after an initial release. And we, we narrowed it down to like three things, uh, two bugs for him to solve. One, one thing for me to look further into. And, uh, and then basically testing for store kit, uh, allowing us to have in-app purchases on the Mac app store.

[00:23:54] And, and we’re at 1.0, we can find, I don’t, it’s been years, uh, like this has been in progress for years and, and I was starting to lose hope. Um, it was going the way of, do you remember Bit writer

[00:24:08] Jeff 1: Yes.

[00:24:09] Brett 1: like I had. I keep hitching my wagon to other people’s stars because I’m not confident enough to put out something that people like.

[00:24:19] With an app like Envy, ot, uh, you are going to put your entire knowledge base into that app. And the idea of data loss of something going wrong and you losing your knowledge base is terrifying to me. Oh, like being responsible for other people’s knowledge bases is terrifying, and I’ve never wanted to do that on my own and be solely responsible for someone losing years worth of notes.

[00:24:48] Um, Which is why I’ve always leaned towards having any app I work with, work with a folder full of markdown files that basically can’t be corrupted. Like there’s no way to lose a folder full of markdown files short of losing your entire hard drive. Um, which is the way I use Nvl. It’s the way we built NV Ultra.

[00:25:10] It’s the way that Bit writer was going to be built. Um, but I’ve still wanted help from people that I trusted more than myself, which is why, uh, Fletcher and I teamed up, or why I teamed up with Fletcher. So we’ve got a great product. Anyone on the beta knows that it’s something that you can use every day.

[00:25:31] As a daily driver, I use it every day.

[00:25:33] Jeff 1: vouch for that. I use it every day.

[00:25:35] Brett 1: I love it. I, I, I don’t know what I would do without it. I would probably switch to obsidian, but obsidian, uh, the, the text editor in obsidian is not ideal for my needs. It’s not compatible with services in pop pop clip extensions. And honestly, I just want Nvi Ultra to reach maturity.

[00:25:59] Um, but I

[00:26:00] Jeff 1: So do I hear you’re saying you’re very, very close.

[00:26:03] Brett 1: I, well, I’ve been saying, I’ve been telling everyone we’re very, very close for like a couple years

[00:26:08] Jeff 1: Okay, let’s upgrade to very, very, very close.

[00:26:11] Brett 1: Very, very, very close. Uh, like we have narrowed it down to three to do items and the only one that is a real show stopper is getting the purchase mechanism set up. And honestly, if we run into further trouble with that, I’m just going to put the app out on, like Paddle, for example.

[00:26:33] Uh, skip the Mac App store and just make it something people can purchase directly.

[00:26:38] Jeff 1: was hoping you were gonna say Pirate Bay

[00:26:42] Brett 1: I’m sure you’ll be able to find it, uh, if you, if you care to pirate it. There’s really nothing you can’t pirate.

[00:26:50] Jeff 1: Brett, that’s exciting. I know, I know from knowing you what a journey this has been and, um, and I can’t imagine, but I do know, um, and, and I love the app and I’m really happy for you that you’re very, very, very close.

[00:27:06] Brett 1: very, very, very,

[00:27:08] Jeff 1: Each one being one of the three items you have to tick off. each. Very

[00:27:13] Brett 1: Yes. So as

[00:27:14] Jeff 1: how we’ll do it from now on.

[00:27:15] Brett 1: as we check them off, we’ll get less and less very close

[00:27:20] Jeff 1: Excellent. That’s fantastic,

[00:27:24] Brett 1: Um, so I wrote, I wrote a Nord VPN script.

[00:27:29] Jeff 1: Yeah. Cats.

[00:27:30] Brett 1: Yeah. Do you? And, and we’ve done it before. You’ve heard it before it, I still find it funny.

[00:27:37] Jeff 1: What about a random word generator?

[00:27:40] Brett 1: What do you, what do you got for me?

[00:27:42] Jeff 1: I don’t know. Uh, we’ll, we’ll, word generator. Great. Wilco song? No, that’s a random name. Generator is the Wilco song. All right, let’s see. Random word generator.com. Way to lock that one down, man. Uh, adjectives all adjectives, And, uh, we want three words. Here we go. Uh, generate concerned, insidious, curly

[00:28:20] Brett 1: Okay.

[00:28:21] Jeff 1: Uh, go ahead Brett.

[00:28:23] Brett 1: I am a huge fan of concerned Insidious Curly television,

[00:28:28] Jeff 1: Uh, yeah.

[00:28:29] Brett 1: which honestly, you can’t find a lot of in the us. Um, none of them are available in my region, and if they were, I wouldn’t necessarily want anyone to know about this obsession with concerned insidious curly television.

[00:28:46] Jeff 1: Yeah.

[00:28:46] Brett 1: I’d like to enjoy those sweet conservations and privacy.

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[00:29:13] Jeff 1: Well, the acronym, and this is funny, it’s cic, but it’s pronounced sick.

[00:29:17] Brett 1: Sick, uh, believes in

[00:29:19] Jeff 1: sick television. Yeah, exactly.

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[00:30:13] Jeff 1: Concerned, insidious curly throttling, buffering,

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[00:30:59] Jeff 1: And if you have any questions for Brett, um, about this particular sub-genre, you can reach him at me at concerned Insidious Curly limo.

[00:31:09] Brett 1: limo. You gotta, you gotta grab those limo addresses while you can, that that TLD is gonna go fast.

[00:31:16] Jeff 1: Ha. We did all right with that. That was good.

[00:31:20] Brett 1: We’ve done worse.

[00:31:21] Jeff 1: That was a fun, uh, let’s say it. Sick. Sick. Hmm.

[00:31:26] Brett 1: Why is nor the only one we fuck with? I wanna fuck with all of our sponsor reads. Nord VPN has been the most lenient about letting us just do whatever we want to with it, as long as, as long as we get that call to action just right.

[00:31:42] Jeff 1: Call to action. Yep. Call

[00:31:44] Brett 1: The, uh, the, uh, the CTA

[00:31:47] Jeff 1: Mm.

[00:31:47] Brett 1: as they say in the biz.

[00:31:49] Jeff 1: As they say in the biz.

[00:31:51] Brett 1: Do you, uh, do you know of any other podcast that listeners might be interested in?

[00:31:55] Jeff 1: Oh yeah. Um, yeah. Daddy. Um, one second. . I gotta get back to our

[00:32:03] Brett 1: Okay. I gotta preface, I gotta preface this. Read with, we had to rewrite it because nobody on this podcast was comfortable saying the word daddy as many times as it came up in the, in the copy that they gave us. So Jeff Valiantly rewrote this to say the word daddy less often.

Podcast Swap: Better Call Daddy

[00:32:25] Jeff 1: Our podcast swap this week is with the Better Called Daddy show host Rena Friedman. Watts. Interviews guests like Jerry Springer, man, that’s a name. Uh, judge Alex, nanny Yvonne and Johnny Spoiler.

[00:32:44] Brett 1: No relation.

[00:32:46] Jeff 1: each. each episode. Rena interviews the guest with her father Wayne Friedman, weighing in at the interview’s.

[00:32:54] You can tune in to Better Call Daddy at. You may have guessed it better. Call daddy.com. Thank you. Better call Daddy. Dammit. I still said daddy a lot

[00:33:04] Brett 1: Better call daddy limo.

[00:33:08] Jeff 1: that we, I I don’t know. They probably bought that up. You know, you always try to buy a few of the more popular ones.

[00:33:13] Brett 1: I feel like that’s a completely different site.

[00:33:16] Jeff 1: Um, yeah, Um, sorry, I’m still trying to shake off saying Daddy so much. Um, Brad, I did something kind of fucked.

[00:33:27] Brett 1: Okay.

Taxonomy Corner!

[00:33:28] Jeff 1: it’s been just a wild couple weeks and it’s hard for me to focus. And I needed a project for mornings and for night. Um, and so I decided for one day I was going to, uh, sort all of my books by Library of Congress, catalog number, um, , just to see, uh, if it, um, sort of grouped my books in ways that were interesting to me.

[00:33:51] And, um, and so , that takes a lot, takes a lot of work. You gotta, you might think you just have to go inside the book. That’s true. It’s usually there. But for, I would say a third of the books, what it says is that Library of Congress ideas been applied for, and it’s not actually written in there, so you have to go searching for it.

[00:34:10] And if you’re me, you wanna find the right edition and all this stuff. And so I wrote it on all my books. I wrote, I wrote the Library of Congress, uh, uh, ID on a post-it note. And um, and I sorted them all that way. Which was awesome because I am at a point where I need to get rid of some books and I’ve already gotten rid of a lot.

[00:34:32] But I also am at a point where like I’m kind of just bored with how I organize my books. I just, the ones that you’re not reading, like if you wanna keep ’em, but you’re not reading them, you just, I want, I need to do something. Um, something to keep me from reading them. So

[00:34:45] Brett 1: you, you need some reason, you need to justify keeping them around.

[00:34:49] Jeff 1: need to Yeah.

[00:34:49] Write that too. Um, but it was, I mean, I don’t know if anybody out there with a lot of books thinks this is interesting, but it was actually quite cool to see how it grouped different books. And I was kind of surprised by some things. But I have one little kind of comical tidbit if, I know you expected the comedy was coming soon.

[00:35:08] Brett 1: I knew it would be.

[00:35:09] Jeff 1: There is a, um, black theologian who was a professor of, uh, my partners at Union Theological Seminary in New York City. It’s a very progressive storied seminary. It was awesome to live there. Rafael Warnock actually overlapped with our time there by a year as a student. Um, and, uh, . Yeah, just getting that news hook in. anyway, there’s this, there’s this guy, James Cone, who, um, is like , a really, really well known and beloved radical black theologian. Um, and in the, I think it was the seventies, wrote a book called Black Liberation Theology. Um, and it was an incredible book, kind of merging black power with some theologies that were emerging in Latin America and just generally coming out with something incredibly crisp and badass and, and just powerful as hell.

[00:36:06] Anyway, James Cohen, may he rest in peace. Uh, I was looking at his library of Congress number and the way that the Library of Congress numbers work. Thank you for asking, is you’ll have like, it’ll be like HN 180 3, A 44, you know, and then the year, right? Like, and the letters at the top tell you a subject and a, and a like, you know, whatever the next level of subject.

[00:36:29] But the author’s name is represented by, The, the, I can’t believe I’m doing this. The author’s name is represented by the, the first letter of the author’s last name, and then a number. Okay. So I look at James Cohen’s book and I look at his library of Congress number and I look at his author id, which is C 6 6 6.

[00:36:51] How awesome is that?

[00:36:53] Brett 1: Oh no. For a theologian when I was a kid, um, I’m talking. 5, 6, 7 years old. I, I collected rocks. That was my thing. I was gonna grow up, I was gonna be a geologist, and I collected rocks. And, uh, my parents to encourage my endeavors, would let me hang out with geologists, which four people who believed the earth is 6,000 years old,

[00:37:22] Jeff 1: Yeah,

[00:37:22] Brett 1: bold, a bold move on their part.

[00:37:25] Um, but, uh,

[00:37:27] Jeff 1: tell the truth.

[00:37:28] Brett 1: right? So, but I had a collection of, I don’t, I don’t know exactly how many, but less than a hundred, less than a hundred specimens. Um, but I had collected, I had collected crystals and, and, and rocks from all over the world. And I decided I was going to create a cataloging system. And like the first two letters were a country of origi