281: No One Ever Respected Billy Ray Cyrus

281: No One Ever Respected Billy Ray Cyrus

[00:00:00] Christina: You’re listening to over tired. I’m Christina Warren joined as always by Brett sharp, stra and Jeff. Uh, fuck. Now I can’t, I can sever Severen. Gunzel Severen. Gunzel

[00:00:15] Jeff: edit. Edit.

[00:00:18] Brett: It’s

[00:00:18] Christina: severance console, right? Did I

[00:00:20] Brett: That is correct. Yes,

[00:00:22] Jeff: Yes. Yes,

[00:00:23] Christina: Fuck. I’m the worst? Um, uh we’re well, we’re okay. We’re we’re back after, after like three weeks apart, the trio is back together. Yay.

[00:00:33] Brett: Yeah.

[00:00:34] Jeff: everybody.

[00:00:35] Brett: Oh, you’re not going to retake that. We’re just going to roll with that.

[00:00:38] Jeff: Yeah, well,

[00:00:39] Christina: I mean, I

[00:00:41] Brett: Yes, Jeff. Jeff. Fuck. All right.

[00:00:44] Christina: Jeff. Fuck

[00:00:45] Jeff: That’s

[00:00:46] Brett: All right.

[00:00:46] Jeff: name from really

[00:00:48] Brett: me to list you in the show notes?

[00:00:50] Jeff: Hmm. Oh,

[00:00:51] Christina: F um, uh, Astros Astros, I guess. Cause, cause we need it for SEO purposes. Like I’m a big fan of putting fucking headlines and, and [00:01:00] putting fucking other things. But I also know that it can like hurt your S chances.

[00:01:03] Brett: I, uh, I was talking with R w w so like all the podcasts on backbeat media, not all of them, uh, a few of them get together once in a while. And we talk about how to improve podcasts. And I brought up the fact that, uh, shows like some more news with Cody Johnson do extremely sarcastic ad reads, um, that, that are actually worth watching.

[00:01:32] Like, they’re, they’re very funny to me. And, and I asked if we could get away with. Writing some more comedic ad reads and, and they were down there like, yeah, if your show says, fuck all the time, and then you don’t say fucking the ad reads, it feels like a real separation from reality. And, and most sponsors are okay with it.

[00:01:55] So I would have to present copy for approval. [00:02:00] And I don’t know if you’ve ever tried to write comedy in a vacuum like by yourself, but you really, you need, you need at least one other person to bounce ideas off of. Uh, so if you guys weren’t up for it, I was going to see if I could, uh, hire my coworkers, Victor and Aaron, who are very funny people, um, hire them to be my little writers’ room and we could come up with some amazing ads.

[00:02:27] Jeff: an overtired writers’ room?

[00:02:29] Brett: I am.

[00:02:30] Jeff: its own

[00:02:30] Christina: Uh, no, this is the real question is like, like, does this come out of your cut of the pay or does this

[00:02:35] Brett: this would be, this would be me. This would be me. This would be my own interest and funnier

[00:02:40] Christina: I don’t care. I mean, I don’t care. I’m just, I’m just

[00:02:43] Brett: Like I’ve tried to punch up our ad rates a little bit here and there, but, uh, but it is, it’s hard to be funny. I’m just not that funny on my own. how, how, how’s your mental health, Jeff.

[00:02:57] Jeff: Oh, I’m doing good. I just spent a [00:03:00] week, uh, up north in Northern Minnesota, um, on the shores of lake superior with my

[00:03:06] Brett: Oh, all the way north. All right.

[00:03:08] Christina: I was, I was, I was going to say like Northern Minnesota. Isn’t that? Just Canada.

[00:03:12] Jeff: it’s basically Canada. It’s like we go to the colder place for spring break every year. Um, it’s just, uh, we have this lovely spot. That’s much cheaper because it’s not vacation season and it has all these windows that look out on the lake and you can sit in these chairs and actually all you see is water.

[00:03:30] And, um, and, and it’s just lovely. And we, we, we cut internet and phones and like computers and laptops and everything to the extent that we can, which I’m the only one that sometimes dips back in. Well, besides my teenagers probably sneak back in, but, um,

[00:03:47] Christina: Yeah. I was going to say, I was going to say like, how, how, how does the family feel about that? Like, cause that could be.

[00:03:52] Jeff: no, I mean, so this was the first year actually. So, my kids are, um, are both teenagers and this [00:04:00] was the first year where it felt like, yeah, maybe at least for one of them, like, you just need some time to just chill on your phone. Like I get it. Um, but until this time, and that was just cause it was bad weather the whole time, my bad weather, I mean, cold and cloudy and rainy and snowy, not just cold.

[00:04:18] Um, but actually, so anyway, for me, like I’ve done that this is our sixth year doing that. Um, and it’s not like a big, like, you know, it’s not like let’s get away from the evils of technology. It’s just like, what happens if our main input is the sound of waves 24 hours a day for a week, right?

[00:04:36] Brett: So, what does happen is that, is that good for you?

[00:04:39] Jeff: I just relaxed, like I love, so I do not feel like I have to do anything when there are loud waves.

[00:04:46] Cause I feel like somehow the waves are living for me. Like, they’re like, we’ll do the work over here. We’re doing the hard work, all the tumultuous stuff that’s normally going on in your head. That’s us now you just relax. And so [00:05:00] I just really let go and It’s I find it extremely easy to, um, to relax and

[00:05:05] Brett: It’s like a,

[00:05:06] Jeff: happy to get back on my phone.

[00:05:08] Brett: it’s like a really big white noise machine.

[00:05:11] Jeff: It is, it’s a perfect, in fact, my first night there, this week, I woke up in the middle of the night and I’m like, shit that I left the white noise machine. on so loud

[00:05:21] Brett: Some people, some people pay a lot of money for that.

[00:05:24] Jeff: Yeah, I know.

[00:05:25] Brett: We S we spent a lot of technology replicating your, your wave machine.

[00:05:31] Jeff: I know. And, uh, so yeah, I liked, I liked the water. I have, I have a personal relationship to that lake that goes back to my childhood. And so I’ve thrown a lot of my problems into that water and,

[00:05:43] Brett: like, not like a childhood drowning experience.

[00:05:45] Jeff: No, nothing like that. You can’t get in that water. It’s too goddamn cold all the time.

[00:05:50] Brett: I have a friend who has an, a relative who owns like a resort up in Duluth. And, uh, and he’s allowed to go up [00:06:00] there and just take a cabin anytime in the winter. So a couple years ago we went up there in January and the high temperature was negative 20 degrees Fahrenheit. And, and I was like, fine. We’re in a cabin with a fireplace and we have internet and I’m just gonna, we’re just gonna hack for the weekend.

[00:06:22] Uh, but he was going out like cross country skiing and it was like negative 50 wind chill. And he’s like, he’s like, yeah, I’ll be back in 30 minutes. And I got worried like 30 minutes later. I’m like, he’s probably an icicle somewhere out there and I’ll never find him, like the waves were coming in off of the lake and they were just freezing in like, Tide.

[00:06:46] Jeff: yeah, yeah.

[00:06:46] Brett: And there was this huge, like pile of just ice around the, around the lake. It was, I was surprised it wasn’t frozen all the way across what apparently huge bodies of water don’t do that.

[00:06:58] Christina: Huh?

[00:06:59] Jeff: [00:07:00] not that one at

[00:07:00] Brett: I live in, I live in Southern Minnesota, which is land of lakes. And we have a lot of, a lot of very small bodies of water that do completely freeze over and all winter, there are pickup trucks out on the lake ice fishing.

[00:07:16] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say like, like what, what, what’s the movie? Uh, oh, frozen river. Um, uh, the, the ups, you guys know the movie.

[00:07:26] Jeff: no.

[00:07:26] Christina: Okay. So this was, I mean, it’s actually kind of a sad, uh, film, but it’s good. It was, uh, Melissa Leo I’m I’m, uh, pretty sure she didn’t win best ask actress for it. She, um, got a best supporting actress for the fighter, but she was nominated for it.

[00:07:39] It’s um, upstate New York. And it’s like a woman who is basically driving people across a frozen river, um, uh, between like Canada and the United States. She is, she’s kind of doing human trafficking a little bit. Um, and, uh, and.

[00:07:54] Jeff: Is that, is there such a thing as a little bit of human trafficking, I guess

[00:07:57] Brett: just, just a smudge [00:08:00] disattach.

[00:08:00] Christina: well, well, like again, like I don’t want to get into the, I don’t want to like, spoil like a movie and it’s a different, it’s a completely different thing. Cause it is actually kind of a sad film, but it’s a good phone, but it makes me think of that because the whole idea is that, you know, she’s having to make these trips across, but you know, you can only go, you know, during certain times of the year, because it’s, it’s a frozen river.

[00:08:20] Whereas, you know, if it’s like just a little bit like, like this time a year, you wouldn’t be able to do it because it’d be like, thought, you know, you thought enough that if you’re driving over it, like, you know, the car could fall

[00:08:31] Brett: would be driving under it.

[00:08:33] Christina: Exactly.

[00:08:34] Brett: So, Christina, how’s your mental.

[00:08:36] Christina: It’s pretty good. It’s pretty good. Um, so, uh, in disclosure to listeners, uh, we actually recorded our previous week’s episode, like two days or like two days ago. So some of this will be kind of a rehash for, for Brett, but, um, I started a new job since we recorded last. Uh, as, as, as a trio, which is, which is great, and I’m still getting used to [00:09:00] everything.

[00:09:00] Like I still am finishing like some onboarding tasks and I’m still like figuring out what the workflow is and how to work with people. And, and my mental health. I have to say, I think it’s better because I’m in this new job that I’m really excited about. And I really love the team. And, um, I’m really excited about all that stuff.

[00:09:17] So that’s like giving me like an endorphin boost, but then there is, I was talking about this with a friend of mine, onboarding remote, even if it’s like a fully remote company is tough. It’s just, it’s one of those things that, um, there are still some tasks. I think that, that when you start a new job, even if, if you’re doing it like fully remote and I’ve done fully remote jobs before where I’ve onboarded, like when I started at.

[00:09:43] We were all remote, but there’s just a sense, I think, um, when, especially at like a bigger company, because you Mashable, there were nine people, so it’s a little bit different than the, when you’re, you know, at a company that has a, I think, I think it had like 2,500 people right now or something. Um, [00:10:00] it it’s, um, a little bit, uh, just like.

[00:10:04] They’ve done a good job, adapting the onboarding process to virtual, you know, they’ve had two years to do it, but there’s still something to be said. I think about like, being able to be around people in person, if you can, or other new people. Um, so it’s just been one of those processes where, you know, like I’m, I’m super excited.

[00:10:23] My mental health is in a good place, but I’m also kind of overwhelmed and trying to kind of figure out, okay, what are all the social structures? What are the different norms? Like what’s, what’s the way that everybody, you know, acts interacts, like what are all the cold slack channels and all that stuff?

[00:10:39] Um, I will say, and I was very, very proud of this because I had been, I’d had access to slack. I don’t know, like, like 15 minutes and before I was added to the Taylor swift slack. So by, by, by someone who, I didn’t even really, I might know them from Twitter, but it wasn’t one of those things where like, I was [00:11:00] even like close with them or anything.

[00:11:01] And then somebody, it just immediately added me to the Taylor swift slack. And I was like, okay. My brand is strong enough that I can start a brand new job. And people immediately will just add me to the Taylor. So slack. And I was like, okay. I feel like at home, you know,

[00:11:13] Brett: Does anyone does anyone to get hub listened to?

[00:11:19] Christina: I don’t know.

[00:11:21] Brett: That was the weirdest thing starting at Oracle was like having people contact me to say that they were overtired or systematic even listeners. And like my reputation proceeded me, but Oracle’s also, you know, a hundred thousand people. So out of that, there’s gotta be somebody who listens to your podcast.

[00:11:42] Christina: Right. Yeah, I have, I have no idea. I knew when I started at Microsoft, I got a number of people who heard me or who knew me from this weekend tech who reached out and, and I even met people like for lunch and stuff, which was really nice. I met a number of people like in person on campus. [00:12:00] Um, you know, because they knew me from, from that.

[00:12:02] And then I was like, I need to know people. And, and that was really helpful. And I’ve received a number of emails over the years and in like slack messages or I guess, teams messages from people when I’ve been on this speak in tech for, uh, you know, um, as a Microsoft employee, haven’t heard from anybody from GitHub yet about that.

[00:12:21] And I have a feeling they’re probably some people who listen, but I doubt that it’s, it’s like that demographic, I feel like is probably more aligned to like the, the a hundred thousand like Microsoft person thing. So I don’t know. I’m sure there, there must be a couple, but I don’t.

[00:12:36] Brett: To that end. I have been,

[00:12:38] Jeff: you.

[00:12:39] Brett: I have been thinking about I’m making this podcast nerdier. I feel like I really enjoy talking about TV and movies and music. But this gratitude list has like, it’s reminded me that there’s a whole segment of people like Jeff, who tune into podcasts to find out about new [00:13:00] apps and find out like new nerd stuff.

[00:13:03] Christina: Yeah.

[00:13:04] Brett: I think there’s a place for that.

[00:13:06] Christina: I, 100% agree. I mean, that was kind of always the Genesis of the show, which is why Jeff is so great to be part of it with us, because it was always you and I talking about nerd shit, but also getting distracted by our pop culture. Like, I don’t even think the pop culture thing was originally part of it.

[00:13:22] Like I

[00:13:22] Brett: Yeah. It, it was not when we first pitched it to Dan, it was not yet a Taylor swift podcast.

[00:13:29] Christina: right. It wasn’t, it’s so funny to think about it was not yet a Taylor’s with podcasts.

[00:13:34] Jeff: it wasn’t even a Miley Cyrus podcast.

[00:13:36] Christina: No, I was going to say that’s a great segue. Um,

[00:13:39] so

[00:13:40] Brett: do my mental health. What

[00:13:41] Christina: yeah, I’m, I’m so sorry. I’m so sorry, Brett,

[00:13:43] Brett: about me? What about my needs? You guys are like sponges and you just take and you

[00:13:48] Christina: No, I’m sorry. I’m sorry. We all know that this is the Bret show.

[00:13:52] Jeff: the context, in the context of being passed over, how has your mental health and apologies friend?

[00:13:58] Brett: so, [00:14:00] so I’ve been depressed and, and I can tell right now my depression is showing up in the form of like, I. Like I hit a limit with doing work stuff and I don’t feel like watching TV and I don’t feel like eating and I don’t feel, I don’t even feel like jerking off. Like I just feel like doing nothing and that in that feels bad.

[00:14:26] It’s not like I can take pleasure in doing nothing. It feels like I should be doing something, but I can’t. And I just end up staring at walls and that is it’s horrible. I hate it. And this is happening without a manic episode proceeding it. So I didn’t even get the fun of like a five day binge without sleep. Ah, it sucks. It sucks. And part of what happened to make it worse, like it was already happening when you know that trip to Spain, that Oracle was [00:15:00] going to send me.

[00:15:00] Jeff: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:15:01] Brett: And, and I hadn’t told anyone it was for sure, but I had definitely been talking about like, here’s the thing that might happen to me. And it’s so cool.

[00:15:09] It’s the first time I’ve traveled outside of north America and et cetera, et cetera. And then unceremoniously. And without actually telling me I got cut from the trip and I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna air a bunch of work laundry on this show, but it, it did not sit well with me. Uh, a could be cut from a trip and B the lack of communication around it.

[00:15:38] Uh, it was very, it was demoralizing. I was demoralized, which did not help my depression. Uh, so it’s, it’s been a week, you know,

[00:15:50] Christina: Yeah, I’m really sorry to hear that. I’m sorry, but Amy, about the depression and the, because I know what that feels like, and I’ve, I’ve had that. It’s so weird. Like you’re describing, like [00:16:00] that is been such a consistent part of my life for the last, however long, which is a problem. And honestly, I’m like, okay, this is a good reminder for me.

[00:16:08] Like, this is not normal, but, but for you, like I have, I’ve just I’m I, I have as much like empathy, because like you said, like you didn’t have the, the kickoff, like you usually, you have the, I guess, reminder that it’s going to be. Because you have the manic episode and you get the fun to that, right. You’re like, yeah, I get, I get to be, you know, cause I’ve never been manic, but I have to imagine that the way you describe it, um, in, in the other minute, people like bipolar people I’ve had in my life.

[00:16:36] Um, I haven’t imagine it’s kind of like being high.

[00:16:39] Brett: Yeah. It’s like being high for days on this.

[00:16:42] Christina: Right. So, you know, there’s a certain like,

[00:16:45] Brett: Not like being stone, but like being high on like cocaine.

[00:16:50] Christina: That’s what I mean, that’s what I mean, like, like you have that type of, of like upper type of thing and that’s, um, obviously not a good thing to happen all the time and, and it [00:17:00] can, uh, have big problems, but I would imagine like, okay, this is one of those things you’re like, all right.

[00:17:06] I at least have that aspect of it to kind of prepare before

[00:17:10] Brett: Yeah. Like the depression in that case feels like you’re paying the price for something good. And it just feels like par for the course. Um, but yeah, without that, it just feels like a penalty for existing.

[00:17:24] Jeff: Well, and that trip to like, it’s not just like, um, a business trip to Chicago was canceled. Like you gather yourself up in a whole different way in

[00:17:34] Brett: went out, I got a passport and paid for expedited, expedited delivery on a passport.

[00:17:40] Jeff: That’s right.

[00:17:42] Brett: But, Hey, at least now I have a passport, so, and unlimited vacation time. So maybe I’ll just send myself to fucking Spain.

[00:17:50] Christina: I mean, honestly, uh, you should. And, and I also, I’m sorry that that happened. I mean, like in, in corporate minutia stuff, budgets change and people [00:18:00] make various decisions, but from what you’ve told us, like, I think, I think the most egregious part, at least to me like the, the thing that I’m angriest about on your behalf is that no one even had the courtesy of telling you that you had to find out, you know, kind of secondhand.

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[00:19:55] Christina: Fantastic. Okay.

[00:19:57] Brett: Nailed, nailed that segway. Let’s go back to that [00:20:00] previous segue though.

[00:20:01] Let’s Talk about Miley

[00:20:01] Christina: Yeah. I was going to say, can we talk about Miley Cyrus?

[00:20:03] Brett: Yeah, let’s.

[00:20:05] Christina: Okay. Okay. So I sent, um, uh, last night, uh, before we recorded, I sent Brett and Jeff, um, some homework because I was listening to like Miley Cyrus just came out with a recent live album, um, I guess from her last tour. And it included a mashup of, um, we can’t stop, which has always been one of my favorite Miley Cyrus songs, even when I was going through the number of years where I, I dismissed her as a musical icon, I always, always, always loved that song.

[00:20:38] Um, and in that is that interpolated with, um, uh, the pixie spirit, whereas my mind. And, um, I just like loved it. And, uh, we, while we were talking about some other stuff, but I have to like share a Mia culpa. I was wrong. What Miley Cyrus for a number of years, I dismissed her as like having [00:21:00] real musical longevity.

[00:21:01] And I have not had that opinion for probably four or five years, but, but I, I feel like I need to say publicly in front of God and the podcasting gods and everyone, like, I need to be like, I was wrong. Like I wrote her off as just another kind of like Disney nepotism, whatever higher for a long time. And she is actually an incredible musician.

[00:21:26] She’s an incredible artist. She’s a great performer. She’s fucking weird as hell and is very unique. And I thought it was a put on for years. I think this is why I was initially kind

[00:21:35] Brett: It did, it did feel like it in her, like at the age of like 1920, she was a bit much like, it felt, it felt put on.

[00:21:45] Christina: Yeah, no, you’re right. You’re right. Jeff, like who, who isn’t a bit much, but at that time it did feel fake and it was like, oh, you’re just trying to like overcompensate for being Hannah Montana.

[00:21:57] And you’re, you’re trying too hard and I can’t with [00:22:00] you. And, and I’m like five years older than her. So there’s also like a weird thing with me where I’m just like, Ugh, you know, this, this girl she’s, she’s trying too hard, but, but AI, I think is genuine when I look back on it, I’m like, I actually think that you’re exactly right.

[00:22:13] Like she was doing the try-hard thing the same way any 19 year old does. And B girl has some pipes and, and the musical longevity is like, is like, for real, for real, like she’s actually, I think a force.

[00:22:26] Brett: I think you guys were saying, okay, so the, the song that autoplayed right after the, whereas my mind mashup was, um,

[00:22:36] Christina: Wrecking

[00:22:36] Brett: wrecking ball mixed with, uh, nothing compares to you by prince or Sinead, like performed by Sinead,

[00:22:46] Christina: I was going to say is written by prince, but it is, everyone knows the shadow controversion

[00:22:51] Brett: man, I love the prince version too, but anyway, wrecking ball was the song that turned my opinion of Miley Cyrus [00:23:00] around that song is amazing to

[00:23:02] Christina: Yeah, it

[00:23:03] Brett: I love it to death. And then nothing compares to you. Like when I was on tour with a punk rock band, traveling across the country in a stolen you haul, I only had like three cassette tapes with me and one of them was Sinead O’Connor.

[00:23:20] Uh, with nothing compares to you. And I listened to that song so many times in the back of a smelly van with my head resting against a fucking kick drum. Like that song,

[00:23:31] Jeff: your away with two follow-up questions, which part of the kick drum.

[00:23:35] Brett: the big front side.

[00:23:37] Jeff: Okay. And then secondly, because single or the album?

[00:23:40] Brett: Did I say? Cause single,

[00:23:41] Jeff: I’m asking if it was a single.

[00:23:44] Brett: it was a, it was an album.

[00:23:45] Jeff: Okay, got it. Got it. Got it.

[00:23:46] Brett: Yeah. It was like the whole album. I forget which album that was though. Was it called nothing compares? No,

[00:23:53] Jeff: Oh, God, I should know this. Jesus,

[00:23:55] Brett: too. I think it had it, had

[00:23:58] Jeff: Moses [00:24:00] knowledge.

[00:24:00] Brett: it, had that. I am, I am asleep on your grave or whatever it was.

[00:24:05] Jeff: picture it.

[00:24:07] Brett: It was, yeah. I can see it too. It had her shaved head on the front

[00:24:10] Christina: Yeah, cause she could. Yeah. Um, I can even see it myself and it’s and I was like

[00:24:15] Brett: check the show notes. It’ll be in the show.

[00:24:19] Jeff: it’s. Oh,

[00:24:20] Christina: I do not want what I have.

[00:24:22] Brett: Yes. That’s the one I do not want what I have not got. Um, yes, excellent album. But anyway, that, that song played next, uh, in the Miley Cyrus playlist. And I like the one you sent was amazing. That one was even better. And I think you guys said you hadn’t seen her backyard performance series. I need there’s a there that series is named and I can’t remember the name of it.

[00:24:49] Uh, but she does like backyard performances on the lawn with, uh, with like music, legends, especially country music, legends, [00:25:00] and, um, w you need to find those. And if I can, if I can track them down while, while we’re talking, I will send you a link, but her voice, her voice and her musical tastes, the people she chooses to pair up with has definitely grown since the Hannah Montana days.

[00:25:19] Christina: Well, and, and even from like the bangers days, cause like I always, I thought wrecking ball was a great song and I thought that, um, uh, we can’t stop. I still think like, that’s like just such a, a banger, um, uh, single, uh, pardon the pun. But, but, uh, that was also when she was like doing like the, the, you know, fileting the microphone, like, uh, on the VMAX and doing all that stuff.

[00:25:40] And I was kind of like, it was like two steps forward, one step back. And so it was like, she, she, she, this is really when she was kind of annoying me, cause like I never really cared about the Hannah Montana stuff. I was like, okay, obviously you’re, you’re a teen, like you’re a tween pop star. Cause she’s a teenager.

[00:25:56] But, but the audience for that music unlike, [00:26:00] um, a lot of like teen pop was actually younger than teenagers, right? Like, like teenagers, weren’t listening to Hannah Montana. Um, And people grudgingly would, would sing along to party in the USA. But, but you wouldn’t tell anyone that, um, but, but like the other stuff, I was like, oh God, this is when the songs were decent.

[00:26:19] But I was like, you’re just, you know, the shadow me and Dr. Luke is writing all your, your records and this, I was wrong. This is where I was wrong. I was like, she has nothing to do with the musicality of any of this. Like even if her voice was good at or whatever, I was just like, I, I don’t, I don’t buy any of this as being her.

[00:26:37] And now I’m like, no, I, she, as you said, the artist, she works with her, her sensibilities, if you’ve ever seen any of her stuff on Howard stern, um, he’s had her perform a few times. She’s really good. She did a really, really good Metallica cover recently.

[00:26:52] Brett: I did hear that. Yep.

[00:26:54] Christina: And, and like, and you can tell like that it’s not a put on, like, she genuinely [00:27:00] has like reverence for some of these different musicians and artists and stuff.

[00:27:04] And I’m a big fan. Like I have to say I’ve like done a total 180, like I’m all in on Miley.

[00:27:10] Brett: I’ll be, I’ll be honest. Like I know this is a Taylor swift podcast, but in a competition in my personal taste, not, not like total musicianship

[00:27:22] Christina: Oh yeah, yeah. Totally. Yeah.

[00:27:23] Brett: it, if it came down to what would I rather listen to in my car on the way home from the co-op or whatever I would pick Miley Cyrus. I really enjoy what she’s done in the last five, 10 years.

[00:27:37] Christina: Yeah, I, and I, and I, and I can totally understand that. I think that, um, I think Miley is still kind of like a hits, like I think the different, right. Cause I think Taylor is an album artist and Miley is like a hits artist. But, but, but I can also say like, I can totally understand why, if you’re just wanting to listen to something in your car, like, that’s it, I will say her, um, her last album that she wrote, um, that, uh, [00:28:00] that she does a lot of the songs on tour, um, from, and whatnot, which was a, it was a one with prisoner.

[00:28:05] Um, uh, what’s it called? A paper, heart, something hearts. Um, anyway,

[00:28:11] Brett: I wouldn’t know, because I don’t think like I listened to individual Miley songs. Like you said, if I’m going to sit down, I’m going to listen to like folklore front to back. Cause that’s how it’s meant to happen. But Miley, I’m going to look up a video and I’m going to look up an individual song and I’m going to hear a track and it’s going to be fun and it’s going to be entertaining.

[00:28:34] And I’m going to say, I love her deep breathy voice. That’s great, but I’m not going to sit down and I’m not going to buy a whole Miley Cyrus.

[00:28:43] Christina: Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh, and I will say, and I totally agree with that. I will say though that, um, it’s still not, she’s still absolutely like, uh, a singles artist and not an album artist, but, um, plastic carts, which was her latest record, um, is really good and, and has some [00:29:00] more introspective stuff. Um, she, she gets writing credits on it.

[00:29:05] I have a feeling and I’m not saying this like, to be like this isn’t in any way denigrating because plenty of people have different talents and whatnot, but I have a feeling that her writing credits are more like the sort of thing where you get the credit. Because you’re the artist and you’re important enough.

[00:29:24] And you want the writing credit than necessarily you were like the driving force behind writing the song.

[00:29:29] Brett: Yeah. Did you know that when it comes to, especially like in streaming services like Spotify, if you don’t have writing credits,

[00:29:38] Christina: Exactly.

[00:29:39] Brett: don’t get paid.

[00:29:40] Christina: Right. Right. Which is why you see Selena Gomez, who is the only other good Disney artist. Um, and, and, but I th I, I see her more as an actress, more than a, but again,

[00:29:51] Brett: We’re going to talk about that in a second.

[00:29:53] Christina: Yeah. But, but I, I was just gonna say, like, it’s, it’s, she’s a similar thing right. Where she gets writing credits and you’re like, Hm, [00:30:00] I don’t know.

[00:30:00] And, and maybe I’m wrong on, on Miley on this, but she does have writing credits on every track on, um, um, plastic hearts, um, and actually she’s listed as lead writer. So maybe I’m wrong on that, but anyway, it’s, she’s good.

[00:30:12] Jeff: she, in the tradition that her very unsatisfying father came

[00:30:17] Christina: Yeah.

[00:30:17] Jeff: like, what she is wonderful at is interpreting. And like that pixie song that they go into that she goes into. I mean, for whatever reason, everyone covers that particular pixie song. It’s a great song. I don’t mean for

[00:30:29] Brett: It really

[00:30:30] Christina: Oh, no, it is yet.

[00:30:31] Jeff: full of great

[00:30:32] Brett: Yeah.

[00:30:33] Christina: is it’s because by club is because by

[00:30:35] Jeff: Oh, that’s right. I forgot it was okay. Anyway, she, she does a beautiful job of that. You know, I had seen the backyard film of her doing, um, Jolene.

[00:30:45] Christina: I had seen that one too. Yeah, that was

[00:30:46] Brett: That’s that’s the series I’m talking about. Yeah,

[00:30:49] Jeff: what I think is so special about that particular performance in video.

[00:30:52] Is that more than at any point in her post Hannah Montana career, you see Hannah Montana as she’s singing [00:31:00] and what I, how I kind of took in the bangers days was I was like, okay, this is an annoying teenager, rebelling against something that I can’t even relate to. I don’t even know how much power it would take to rebel against all that.

[00:31:13] She had to swallow from age 11 to whatever, as Hannah Montana, Right. You’re going to, there’s going to be an extinction burst. Right. Which is like, sort of what. Bangers period was, and I remember kind of looking at it almost like an older brother, like, Hey, if you get through this, you’re going to be pretty fucking cool.

[00:31:31] But if you don’t get through this, this is not going to be a good end to your story. right? And, and so like, when you, what you sent last night, Christina, with the, her performance of where’s my mind, or like what’s her own song. And then she goes into where it’s like, I was just like, she’s so embodied in that performance.

[00:31:49] And so like kind of behind her eyes, and then you look at Jolene, you’re like, Hey, it kind of, I mean, no one’s story is over as we’ve learned from some of the sad, recent stuff, like mark Lanigan and even [00:32:00] Chris Cornell people that like had their like peak so long ago, but had their tragic death far later. Right. Um, like I just think that this point in her story is a very sweet one to watch. I love her weirdness. I love her fucking voice and I love her as an interpreter of songs. Like that’s great. Don’t care if she wrote them or not.

[00:32:19] Christina: No, I agree. I think she’s an amazing artist. Like I was just trying to say like, like, I think she’s like, I actually feel like, but what I was going to say about that album and everything you said, uh, Jeff was just like brilliant. And I wish that I could have said it myself was that was that she got more personal, like when she could, she wrote in her most recent, only she does write about her divorce and, you know, kind of like the ending of that relationship and stuff.

[00:32:40] And. That also takes things into a slightly different turn for her because you, if you see people, it’s kind of like, you know, uh, uh, media concoction and, and to be clear, like she was as much of, like, I think, you know, I had as much agency with that at least to get it from the bangers stuff onward as [00:33:00] anyone else.

[00:33:01] Um, but when you have kind of like that perception of someone and then you’re able to see, oh, there are, there are more like layers here, um, to, within the music. Like it it’s really interesting.

[00:33:12] Jeff: Well, and when you were talking about her writing and trying to figure out like, What it means, like did she, I was very invested cause I’m like, man, if she turns out, if it turns out that she can write a song, li