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Overtired 278

[00:00:00] Jeff: Welcome to the Overtired podcast. I’m the new guy, Jeff Sevrens Guntzel. And I’m here with Christina Warren and Brett Terpstra. Hi everybody.

[00:00:13] Brett: Hey, Jeff.

[00:00:14] Christina: Hey Jeff. . That was fun.

[00:00:17] Uh, do, do do the Sunday, Sunday, Sunday thing, cuz that was good. Sunday, Sunday,

[00:00:21] Jeff: Sunday.

[00:00:22] Christina: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:00:24] Brett: except we’re recording on a Saturday. We’re publishing on a Friday, but we’ll take It

[00:00:29] Christina: It doesn’t matter. Look who doesn’t love monster truck. As on Thursday, Thursday, Thursday.

[00:00:33] Brett: We’ll sell you the whole seat, but you’ll only need the edge.

[00:00:38] Jeff: Man, you know what? I recently went down, I know, you know, TikTok should be a sponsor. Uh, I, I went down a TikTok monster truck, rabbit hole, and I never went to one of those and I gathered they were fun and cooled. I had no idea how fucking cool those things were. that’s all, that’s the, that’s the end of the topic.[00:01:00]

[00:01:01] Brett: So, uh, let’s have a mental health corner. Jeff, how’s your mental health.

[00:01:05] Jeff: you know, it’s, uh, it’s pretty good. Uh, I’ve got like a nice, I kind of went through a medication balancing crisis

[00:01:12] Brett: Yeah, I know how

[00:01:13] Jeff: and, uh, And I’ve come out of that really. Um, just feeling very even, which is, um, something I don’t feel as much as I would like. And I’m sleeping again after I think two or maybe three weeks of getting around two to three hours of not deep sleep a night.

[00:01:31] And, um, and so I’m, I’m like, I’m like much happier person than I’ve been in quite a while. How about

[00:01:37] Christina: y’all? That’s fantastic. Um, I’m doing okay. I need to, and, and the thing is, is that for various reasons that I’ll be able to talk about more in the future? I, I, I, I can’t kind of do it right now, but I need to, um, get with my shrink and, and potentially actually just go to a sleep doctor and like one of those sleep study things, I had one like 15 years ago, but I need another one [00:02:00] because I feel like I need to get my sleep in check.

[00:02:03] So.

[00:02:05] Jeff: Yeah. So what is the, how would you describe the sleep? Is it just like you’re just wide awake

[00:02:08] Christina: or, yeah, I mean, it’s one of those things and it’s like, I have a hard time getting to sleep and then sometimes once I do, I might sleep really long and sometimes I, you know, won’t, you know, I, I, I started doing this whole nap thing again, which I know probably isn’t good, but I have to better than I, but yeah, but it’s better than like, not doing anything.

[00:02:26] So I think it probably needs consistency in other stuff, but I I’ve always had a hard time, like getting to sleep like insomnia has been a lifelong struggle.

[00:02:36] Jeff: And so you’d done a sleep

[00:02:37] Christina: study. Yeah. But it was, I was in college, so okay. You know, so, and I, so you were drunk. Yeah, exactly. Got it. Um, and so, yeah, so I, I need to do one of those again, cuz my, my shrink gave me some sort of sleeping pill that it’s one of those things where it’s not habit forming, so it’s not like ambient or one of those things where like you have to, you know, like they, you know, give you side eyes at the [00:03:00] pharmacist or whatever.

[00:03:01] And they even done things where like, they, you know, can wake people up after, you know, being asleep for a couple of hours who have taken it and then they can do like a 10 point, you know, driving test type of thing. Um, so, so it’s supposed to be good for that, but it’s just having no impact on me at all.

[00:03:16] So we need to try some other stuff. But, um, and uh, I don’t know if I need to do a sleep study, but I have a feeling that probably would help, you know, for them to have access to stuff just so I could get like a better. Insight, but anyway, I, I, I’m fine. I’m fine. I’m glad that you’ve got your stuff mellowed out.

[00:03:32] I’m glad that you’re getting some sleep. Well, I,

[00:03:34] Jeff: maybe, I, I mean, I’ve gotten in touch with a sleep psychologist and I’ve started with new therapist and I’m not sure I want to also start with a sleep psychologist at the same time.

[00:03:42] Christina: Oh no, that totally, totally. Yeah. A lot of change, lot

[00:03:45] Jeff: of change, but I, I want someone to help me, but maybe I just need a sleep study.

[00:03:49] Maybe I’m just snoring myself awake. Cuz that’s, that’s come on in my life. Especially as I take meds that make me gain weight. Right, right.

[00:03:58] Brett: I’ve been waking up like [00:04:00] way too early since I started the VI events. Like I’ve been falling asleep fine at night, but then I wake up around three or four. And, uh, this week I only got one night of sleep where I actually slept until my alarm went off at five 30. Um, so I’m a, I’m a little hired, but I’ve just been like short an hour or two a night.

[00:04:21] You know how that adds up over time. But, uh, it’s not, I’m not awful. I’m still I’m I’m wearing into the, the VI event though. It’s it’s actually, it’s been a little jittery than I remember it ever being before. Maybe she, I cut my dose down. I think

[00:04:39] Jeff: you gotta cut the dose. I, I was, I ruined a tooth. I think I told you this from like grinding my, my teeth and right. Part of like my very back bottom tooth on the right side, just like cracked off. like, okay, I’m gonna change my dosage.

[00:04:54] Brett: I correct. I correct the front. Did we already talk about my dentist visit? [00:05:00] I like broke. I broke one of my front teeth and I went to the dentist and they gave me Novacane, which was weird because the dentist I’ve been seeing for the last decade does not give me Novacane and she just drills until I, until she sees like a here go down my face and then she does the filling and they gave me Novacane and they drilled as deep as they needed to.

[00:05:22] And they gave me a real filling that won’t fall out. And I’m switching Dennis

[00:05:26] Christina: Nice. Hell. Yeah. Because

[00:05:28] Jeff: you, you see that you had been in an abusive relationship.

[00:05:31] Christina: Yeah. I was gonna say, I, I ghosted my dentist and I didn’t mean to, because I’d finally gotten back in the habit again and she was great. And then I had a ton of travel and I didn’t go for a while. And then by the time I needed to go again, it was the freaking pandemic and they weren’t doing anything.

[00:05:46] And now, you know, and then like two years goes by. And so I had finally gotten myself in a good place with my teeth and I’m way behind. And so I’m gonna have to start all over again, but I, I, hopefully I can, hopefully I can go to the same person cuz she was [00:06:00] really, really nice. Plus they had a, they had Netflix like um, Ooh, in, in the, in the chairs, like they had TVs kind of like were just listening air supply.

[00:06:09] No. Well that was what was so cool. Right? Like you go in and like they had kind of like TVs kind of like mounted, like with Rokus. And so then they would just put in like kind of like a cheap like head phone thing that they would like give you that you could, you know, connect to the Roku mode and like I’d watch Netflix while I was getting my teeth cleaned.

[00:06:24] Brett: That’s brilliant. That’s a great distraction.

[00:06:28] Christina: it

[00:06:28] Jeff: honestly is my dentist in the waiting room of my dentists office. They had this video playing on loop of a chimpanzee, getting its teeth brushed.

[00:06:39] that’s not why I chose them

[00:06:41] Brett: my dentist was playing guns and roses while I was in the chair.

[00:06:46] Christina: like, like, like a whole album or,

[00:06:47] Brett: Uh, no, they were, they had on like some local radio station that has absolutely no consistency. Like they are like the best of, of everything of all times. Like, they’ll go [00:07:00] from like the chandel’s to guns and roses to creed. Like it’s, it’s what the fuck ever at any point.

[00:07:06] And I, so I’m sitting there and welcome to the jungle comes on and I’m like, this is the first time I’ve ever heard. This is the first time I’ve ever heard guns and roses in a. dentist office.

[00:07:16] Jeff: Yeah.

[00:07:17] Brett: It’s not your typical fair.

[00:07:19] Jeff: Hey, oh, before we get out of mental health slash dental health, uh, corner. Yes. Um, because this is called Overtired. I, I had the most like tired experience of my life, which was the last day before I started sleeping. Well, again, when I was, again, like two or three weeks into these, just very Rocky sleep nights, I was, I was up in the morning and I hadn’t had coffee and I went to pee and I grabbed a K N 95 mask and put it on and then went into pee and was like, what the fuck did I just do?

[00:07:55] That’s literally the most ti, like, I often joke that you need coffee to make [00:08:00] coffee. Right? Like sometimes I just do stupid things when I’m trying to make coffee, cuz I need coffee so bad. Uh, but that one was, was a brand new kind of, maybe I’m just completely losing my mind.

[00:08:11] Brett: Yeah,

[00:08:12] Jeff: But nobody got sick in that

[00:08:13] Christina: bathroom.

[00:08:14] Yeah. I was gonna say, I was gonna say like, how fucked is it though? That like, even our subconscious, like, even like you’re tired of state is like, need to put the mask on. Oh, I know, man. It’s crazy.

[00:08:23] Brett: I, I went to target without a mask yesterday. Uh, like

[00:08:28] our com our community spread is down. I’m fully vaccinated. And I thought like our target, it, it, wasn’t a busy time of day. Like social distancing is easy. And I thought, you know, I’m just gonna, I’m gonna fucking just go somewhere without a mask for once.

[00:08:42] And I really enjoyed it. It very nice. I felt like I made a responsible decision. There were plenty of people still in masks, and that made me feel like they were probably look, they probably thought I was a

[00:08:51] Christina: They probably were,

[00:08:52] Brett: but,

[00:08:53] Christina: but, but, well, you know, and that fears you, but at the same time, like Washington state was the last state to drop the mask mandate [00:09:00] and uh, like it wasn’t until last Friday that they finally dropped it. Um, and, um, So, and, and we’d been one of the better states in terms of both the vaccination thing and in terms of, of cases and stuff for quite a while.

[00:09:16] So at a certain point, it I’m gonna be honest. It just, it feels performative. And especially since with you, the masks only help so much anyway. So like, yeah, like I I’ve kind of had that same feeling like, oh, people are gonna think I’m a Republican and I’m like, you know what? Like we’re allowed not to wear them now, fuck off.

[00:09:37] Brett: And I don’t know

[00:09:38] Christina: You know, if you, if you that’s what I’m saying and like, and if you wanna wear it, like, awesome. That is fantastic. I’m, I’m happy for you to do that. I don’t, I I’m actually very happy to not have like mask me anymore. I had to go to a fucking dermatologist and get on, um, antibiotics for my rosacea that I’m still taking because, because of, of, of the mask me.

[00:09:59] So, you know, [00:10:00] like, yeah,

[00:10:01] Brett: Nobody likes wearing a mask. We did it because it, it was the kind thing to do for our fellow travelers. But yeah.

[00:10:09] I’m not, if I don’t have to, I’m not gonna, I don’t, I don’t need to it’s you’re Right.

[00:10:16] Performative. I don’t need to perform that.

[00:10:20] Christina: Yeah.

[00:10:20] Jeff: And, and yet I went into the grocery store the other day with that one, just cause I had forgotten it and, and nobody was not wearing it. And I’m like, oh God damn it. And then now I’ve got friends. There are people in my circle getting COVID again. , it’s just like, what the fuck? And, but I’ve doubled down.

[00:10:35] Like I not only will sometimes not wear a mask, but I bought a Ford F150 for a thousand bucks and I’ve taken to wearing camo pants.

[00:10:42] Brett: Are you, are you being serious? Is this serious?

[00:10:44] Jeff: yes, I’m serious. And the F-150 has an NRA described,

[00:10:48] Brett: Wow,

[00:10:49] Jeff: I’m gonna get off, which I’m gonna get off. But, um,

[00:10:51] Brett: no, that feels performative.

[00:10:53] Jeff: I am like deep cover, except that I always wear.

[00:10:55] If I’m wearing camel pants, I always wear a shirt. There are all these great Threadless shirts with [00:11:00] like flowers on them that I like. So I always wear the flower shirt just to keep things real, you know, but if I walk out, I get out of a fucking F-150 with an NRA sticker, wearing camel pants and no mask.

[00:11:13] And it’s just like, I might as well be in Winona, Brett

[00:11:16] Brett: is, what is that supposed to mean?

[00:11:18] Jeff: dude. Come on.

[00:11:20] Brett: It’s a very blue city. No, it’s not very blue. We

[00:11:24] have,

[00:11:24] Jeff: anywhere out, anywhere, outstate, anywhere. Outstate, you got more camel pants. You got more, uh, you got more, uh, F one 50 S uh

[00:11:32] Brett: we did have a dude with Confederate flag Confederate flag, um, mud flaps driving around last summer. Tim’s seen him since though.

[00:11:40] Christina: man.

[00:11:41] Back to the Bee Gees

[00:11:41] Brett: Um, okay. So can we revisit thes.

[00:11:45] Jeff: yes, please. Oh, that’s an awesome

[00:11:47] Brett: I, I tried, I, I tried, as I mentioned at the end of the last show, like I watched Saturday, the night fever, I like looked up best of the BJ’s playlist.

[00:11:56] I went through all the covers. I could find of BJ songs [00:12:00] and I, I still, it makes me feel yucky to hear that music I do. I’m not gonna, I’m not gonna use, I’m not gonna say I hate it. And I’m not gonna say, there’s anything wrong with the music. And it’s fine. It’s fine with me. If other people like it, I like it doesn’t make me think any less of them.

[00:12:20] But when I hear the BGS, I feel gross inside. Of course, watching Saturday, Saturday night fever also made me feel gross

[00:12:28] Christina: I was gonna say, I was gonna say you poured it on. Yeah, I was gonna say you did. I mean, I don’t know that that film is such a vibe though. It’s such like a, a film from that era, like it made am such a huge star. Like it’s, it’s really interesting. I will say that the follow. Oh, it totally is, but it’s also, I don’t know.

[00:12:48] It, it, it, I can’t hate that film. Um, uh, just, just for like where it fits in kind of like the, the seventies cannon, um, I will say the, the follow [00:13:00] staying alive, the sequel, which was panned and data horribly, the box office is like, if you, you ever just like really wanna watch, like, just like a, a terrible follow up to a film,

[00:13:11] Jeff: there was

[00:13:12] Brett: a

[00:13:12] film. I already didn’t

[00:13:13] Christina: Baloo yeah, yeah.

[00:13:15] It, it was called, it was called staying alive. And it was basically like the depressing, like version of like, okay. His career is kind of like over and like, like what what’s he gonna do now? Like, it’s, it’s, um, really, really, uh, it’s worth watching for wanna see like somebody taking. Doing the complete wrong approach for sequel on every possible level.

[00:13:36] Like the reason that the film worked was because of the dancing and the music and whatnot, it clearly could only work in 1977. And, and then the, the, um, the, the film in, in 1983, um, was, was like just,

[00:13:50] Jeff: yeah. Did they, did they at least use, did they at least use the die hard naming convention? Like staying alive some

[00:13:57] Christina: more?

[00:13:58] No, no. And it was [00:14:00] just called staying alive. Wow.

[00:14:03] Brett: Um, so here, so I examined myself. This led to a long period of self-examination like, what’s wrong with me that I can’t like this, you know, happy melancholy, even like, feel good music. And I realized that I have this strong, uh, a true action to dark angsty music, and it can be sad, dark. It can be angry, dark.

[00:14:30] Like I just, I need a certain amount of darkness. It’s why I like Cale more than I like Taylor swift. I like a certain amount of pain in my music. And if it isn’t there,

[00:14:41] Christina: I mean, she has so much pain. She has so much pain, but, but go on.

[00:14:45] Brett: Like I’m not looking up the backstory of like every, every artist I listen to, like, I just need the music to feel authentically bad, like authentically sad or angry.

[00:14:57] Um, and that’s just, that’s just [00:15:00] what I like. And I don’t know where it comes from. I don’t know why that is, but that’s what I figured out about myself silent.

[00:15:07] Christina: that makes sense. No, that makes sense. And I feel like it definitely the BGS, although there is some like 10 sadness, I think in some of their songs, cuz they’re great. Pop songs, writers you’re completely right. Like the whole flow of that music. And even like the construction of those songs they’re pops.

[00:15:21] Right. And, and they, they’re not going like they, they did some ballet, but not really the, the tear jerker weepy shit. So yeah, I can, I can see that. I, I can, that makes sense to me. I will, I will say, I feel like. And when the rerelease happens, we’ll definitely talk about it more, but I feel like you’ll enjoy the speak now.

[00:15:40] Taylor swift album a lot, because like, dear John is the greatest. Fuck you song ever written.

[00:15:46] Brett: Yeah. Well, and, and as you’ve noticed, the songs that I, say, I like by Taylor swift are her angsty songs like that. It, it, it.

[00:15:54] holds true, even in my listening to Taylor swift, uh, the stuff that is just [00:16:00] kind of poppy, or even just like kind of melancholy, it’s the stuff that’s a little. Angry. I think that, that I, I, I get into

[00:16:08] Christina: Yeah,

[00:16:09] Brett: something’s wrong with me.

[00:16:10] That’s okay though.

[00:16:11] Jeff: I was listening to ABA and the F150 the other

[00:16:13] Christina: day

[00:16:13] Brett: See, I like Abba. That’s here’s the thing about sugar? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I can explain this. It’s all about, it’s all about context. If I have the context for something, I can make it enjoyable, which is why I thought if I watched Saturday, Saturday night fever, that I would maybe have context for the BGS.

[00:16:34] And like, it would make sense to me, but Abbo, it comes from a part of my life that was full of drugs and sex. And like, when I hear Abba, I just have nothing but warm feelings and it doesn’t matter what the, the tone of the music is because I have this like emotional context around it. Same with seventies rock, like, uh, I didn’t, I didn’t like any of it until I [00:17:00] had.

[00:17:01] Context for it. Um, context is That’s the key. If it’s not sad and angry, I just need context.

[00:17:08] Christina: That’s fair. I’m gonna link. And again, like your opinion is never gonna change on the BGS, but it would be interesting just, uh, for listeners who might want more backstory a if you can ever find the behind the music about them on any sites or anything. That was great. But B I just found, um, cuz I, one of the, one of the brothers who wasn’t in the BGS, but he was the, the youngest brother actually died of an overdose, but they, they like to, to, to party.

[00:17:32] And there’s this article from rolling stone called, uh, like the, the, the last, um, Barry Gibb, the last brother. And there’s this, um, uh, highlighted thing that I found the Gibbs have always been fond of substances. Barry smoked grass, Robin liked pills and were drank.

[00:17:48] Brett: Yeah.

[00:17:49] Christina: That’s just like Maurice, Maurice. It’s like for the most part, they stayed away from the harder stuff I did a week of cocaine in 1980.

[00:17:56] Something says, give, but the trouble with cocaine, he laughs is cocaine. [00:18:00] You’ve gotta do it every half hour. It’s too much work amphetamine last four to six hours. And in those days he says with a grin, there was some great amphetamines,

[00:18:09] Brett: What was that?

[00:18:09] Jeff: There’s cocaine in the room, turn around. This is not gonna be a fun party.

[00:18:13] Yeah.

[00:18:14] Brett: Okay. That was thanks for revisit that with me. That was nice. Uh,

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[00:21:38] Let’s Get Nerdy

[00:21:38] Brett: I think I think this show’s about to get nerdy. Am am I right?

[00:21:43] Christina: Dirty. Yes. 100% dirty.

[00:21:46] Brett: Can I kick it off by telling you what I wrote this morning?

[00:21:49] Christina: Yes, please do

[00:21:50] Brett: So, so I have this app that a little command line tool called doing that you, that keeps a, a log of everything you’re doing, and it has all these [00:22:00] different ways of displaying your log, your, your data. Um, and you can like filter it by dates and time of day and tags.

[00:22:08] And it get there’s like a there’s every single display command has like at least eight different flags you can use to further filter data. So, uh, what I ended up doing this morning is I added a save flag. So any display command, when you get it to display exactly what you want, you can add minus my is saved to the command and it will save all of those options into a view.

[00:22:36] And create a custom command out of it. So the next time you, you, you, you give it.

[00:22:41] a name and you type save, and then a, a name, and then next time you can just type doing in that name and it’ll show you that preconfigured view.

[00:22:51] Jeff: yes. And.

[00:22:52] Brett: Yeah. I’m super, like, I, I dropped about it last night and then I woke up And.

[00:22:56] I, it in like an hour and it’s the best thing [00:23:00] I’ve added all year.

[00:23:01] Christina: That’s

[00:23:01] Jeff: awesome. I, I just started using doing again last week.

[00:23:05] Brett: Neat.

[00:23:05] Jeff: I love it. I love it. I love it because I, I love to use it when I’m having a productive week, because I can look back and be like, look at everything I did. If I’m, if I’m in shit week, I’m not touching it.

[00:23:18] Brett: I added, uh, I used the tide prompt for Phish, which is, uh, uh, what do you call it? Like, it, it, it refreshes in the background, so there’s no delay. When you like when, when a prompt comes up and I have a, I added a tied item, uh, for doing so if there’s a current doing task, it shows it in my prompt between the left and right prompts, like right.

[00:23:43] in the middle.

[00:23:44] So I always know there’s a task running that I can remember to finish. Yeah. It’s cool.

[00:23:49] Christina: Christina, are you a, are you a Phish person? Um, so, okay. So I, I tried it finally after like Brett talked a lot about it and I really do like it, my issue is [00:24:00] I’m afraid that because it would be something that I realistically won’t be able to have installed on remote machines that I spend a lot of time on.

[00:24:09] I about like mentally having to switch back and forth between like Z shell and fish. Yeah. Um, and I might be able to like, get to that point. I just don’t know if I can. Right. Like I, so it becomes one of those things where like, cuz I’ve only recently gotten finally used to Z shell over bash. And even though they’re, they’re very, very similar obviously.

[00:24:29] And so it becomes one those things I’m like, do I wanna like add in yet another like terminal that I need to know? Mm-hmm , that’s different. And then like muscle memory, if I mess aging into something and it doesn’t have fish installed, like then like I’m gonna have to like, oh right. I do it this way here.

[00:24:47] Brett: That’s just, that’s never been a problem for me. Like as long as I know what shell I’m, I’m in, you know, echo shell, uh, my brain just reconfigures for now. I’m in bash now. I’m in Z shell. Now [00:25:00] I’m in Phish. Now I’m in

[00:25:01] Christina: And maybe it’ll work that way. I mean, maybe it’ll work that way. No, one’s in seashell. Uh, um, I mean, and maybe like, that will be the case. I’m not sure I’ve been playing with it. I like it, but I haven’t, I haven’t gone far down the rabbit hole. I will say I discovered this thing this morning. Fig have either of you used

[00:25:18] Jeff: fig yeah.

[00:25:18] Talk about what

[00:25:19] Brett: tried it out after you tweeted it.

[00:25:22] Christina: Okay. So basic is, um, like. Uh, a, a terminal hider, uh, like, like, um, helper, um, it works with any shell that you want and it runs in the background on your Mac. So it, it is one of those things where like, you have to have like an app running in your, you know, can be hidden, you know, in your menu bar or whatever, but it’s, it’s, uh, kind of like a Damon, I guess, although I guess, like they’re not technically Damons anymore, um, running in the back round, um, that supports a bunch of CLI tools and brings in a lot of really easy completion stuff.

[00:25:54] So rather than necessarily having to configure like a ton of things for. Whatever shell you’re [00:26:00] using and add a bunch of plugins that slow stuff down. Uh, and this is kind of what I wanna play around with and see if there would be something like, if this would be better than having a bunch of plugins or, or not.

[00:26:10] Um, I think in theory, the idea is that it would be, is that it’ll do things like offer like, um, various, you know, like, like completions for, for, um, you know, doing stuff like for files and folders or for doing stuff with NPM or it’s got stuff. Or get, and, and it’s got stuff built in for Kubernetes and Docker and, uh, SSH stuff.

[00:26:30] Like it’s got a ton of different, um, stuff already there brew AWS. Like they’ve got a ton of different like definitions and auto complete things there. Uh, the, uh, the GitHub repo has like 13,000 stars, so there’s a ton of stuff there. Um, and, uh, it’s, uh, it’s crowdsource because people are, are building and, and adding their owns with it, which is kind of cool.

[00:26:53] Um, and it’s completely local, which is nice. Uh, you can even kind of like, you know, build your own thing if you want to use [00:27:00] this type script, which I think is an interesting way of, I guess, kind of building those definitions. I haven’t spent a ton of time it, but I, the way I kind of envision it is that it’s like, okay, you have a lot of these nice things that you would typically have to.

[00:27:14] At this point, basically you need like an entire like shell manager to manage all of your Z shell or, or Phish or whatever plugins. And I think that you could probably accomplish a lot of it with, with fig and then with their long term goal is that they have an API where they’re wanting people to build like apps that you could access within the terminal using fig, which is, is kind of a cool concept.

[00:27:40] Hmm. Yeah, it looks

[00:27:41] Brett: I would have to give it more of a shot. Uh, in initially it did not do a better job than Phish of completion. And it had the downside of popping up, uh, a window while I’m typing that it, it bugged me a little and like, uh, Phish is [00:28:00] completion. Like if I type get, or if I type get add, and I only have one onstage file in the current directory, when I hit tab, it just fills in the one file.

[00:28:10] It knows I need to add, uh, and I, I don’t see fig being able to do that kind of completion.

[00:28:16] Christina: Yeah, no, that’s probably, that’s probably true. Uh, I think that for someone like you, who has things like as performant and as like customized as you are, I would be like, I don’t know. Like, I, I, I feel like this might not be the right tool for you, unless you could build things or really customize it to your liking.

[00:28:31] And in which case, I don’t know if it would be any better than anything you have, but what is nice about it is that you can get completions for stuff because there’s a whole community of, of stuff that you might not be able to have completions for for Phish, like realistically. Right. Like, I, I, I don’t know if anybody is gonna be spending the time to try to do something or even if it would be like possible in, in, in a way to have like an AWS type of, you know, autocomplete setup.

[00:28:55] Brett: Did you know that Phish can scan man pages and create completions [00:29:00] automatically for any CLI you have installed?

[00:29:02] Christina: I did not know that, but that is cool.

[00:29:04] Brett: It is cool.

[00:29:04] Jeff: Did you know that the term man pages is just creepy for me?

[00:29:08] Brett: Yeah. Would, would you alias it to

[00:29:10] Jeff: I just like show,

[00:29:12] Brett: show,

[00:29:12] Jeff: you know,

[00:29:14] Brett: Hey,

[00:29:14] Jeff: but I mean, I might change it to like sparkle or something, you know, just make it a little funer

[00:29:18] Brett: I poured the help command to Phish. So if

[00:29:22] Christina: yeah, yeah.

[00:29:22] Brett: Phish

[00:29:24] Christina: yeah, no, you said that

[00:29:25] Brett: except

[00:29:26] Christina: now works with it.

[00:29:27] Brett: I hooked it up to dash, uh, cuz it internally, if you use help in Phish, it.

[00:29:33] opens a web browser, which I hate, uh,

[00:29:36] Christina: Mm-hmm

[00:29:37] Brett: if you use man on the same command, it’ll load the page as a man page or a show page for Jeff. Um,

[00:29:45] Jeff: Hey, you guys wanna go out and make some man pages?

[00:29:48] Brett: but I overloaded it.

[00:29:49] So now it opens a Phish doc set in dash, which is better to me than a browser tab. So anyway, help now with Phish, [00:30:00]

[00:30:00] Christina: Very cool.

[00:30:00] Brett: did I, we talked about that, right? I don’t have to explain to everyone what help is.

[00:30:05] Christina: No, we talked about help.

[00:30:05] Brett: Okay, cool. Cool. Cool. All right. Have you guys seen, have you seen tail scale?

[00:30:11] Christina: no. Yes. Oh, so cool. Tell, so tell me about, I told you about

[00:30:14] Brett: yeah, I was gonna say, I think, I think that Christine actually told me about it.

[00:30:18] Jeff: Christina, have you seen this thing you

[00:30:20] Jeff and Christina: told

[00:30:20] Christina: me about?

[00:30:21] Brett: I hadn’t, I hadn’t done anything with them until I was going through available packages for my Sonology and I saw tail scale. I’m like, oh yeah, I remember that. Uh, let’s try it out. And so I loaded it up on my Sonology and then loaded it up on my Mac mini and my MacBook pro and my iPhone and my iPad.

[00:30:40] And what it does is basically with one sign on, in my case, I sign on with GitHub, all of those machines. Now, no matter where they are in the world are on a VPN together. And I can, I can SSH and, and load each. I can load my home [00:31:00] Mac minis hard drive in the iOS files app on my phone from anywhere in the world.

[00:31:07] And it is pretty slick. And it’s free to, if you have like a single user account, it’s free to set up. It takes like two minutes. There’s No, configuration. it’s amazing.

[00:31:18] Christina: No, it’s fantastic. And I mean, the reason I suggested it to you before is cuz you were doing something more complicated and less, um, like good, um, with, with your own system so that you could kind of avoid your, your, your VPN thing. And that’s why I suggested it, but no, what’s cool about it too is it’s got a free user plan.

[00:31:35] I did actually mostly cuz I wanted to support them. I’m paying for or the, um, uh, the personal pro plan. They basically only introduced because they wanted to give people who like wanted to give them money, uh, who are enterprises a chance to, but what’s cool is you can add people. Two, like you can share, um, networks and computers with people by just, you know, inviting them kind of to your thing by just, you know, giving them an email address, uh, like by, [00:32:00] by, just by you, you know, uh, doing an email thing, there’s also a way where like, if you have like a GitHub, um, organization, even if it’s like, you know, like between your family, they have a free plan for that to, so, yeah.

[00:32:12] I, I love it. Um, it’s, it’s the best way I’ve seen, like hands down of being able to make it so that you can remotely access all of your different machines. Like you said, your Sonology your Mac, your phone, whatnot. Cause it sets up wire guard and it sets up, you know, the tunneling stuff and, and the other things and it, it does it really, really well.

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