253: The Pop Punk Report

Overtired 253

[00:00:00] Brett: Hey everybody. This is take two of your favorite podcasts over tired. Um, I, I want to, again, this is the second time in as many weeks that I’ve, uh, hit the record button and then done the countdown and then stop the recording instead of starting the recording. I’m Brett Turkstra, uh, the, the, the perpetual fuck up. I’m here with Christina Warren and our special guests. Once again, Aaron Dawson. Uh, how are you ladies doing once again?

[00:00:37] Erin: I’m awesome.

[00:00:39] Christina: Nice call back. Nice call back. Yeah, I’m pretty good. I’m pretty good. I’ve been up. I’ve been up for like an hour and a half, so I’m like rubbed up also. We already recorded 15 minutes of this, so I’m like warmed up and ready.

[00:00:52] Brett: Yeah, It’s I find it so depressing. To like have to repeat good conversation. Like it was good. [00:01:00] We, we were doing great. And you guys were like on the ball actually recording your parts of it. I’m S I’m sorry. I apologize. I apologize to our listeners for the great conversation you had to miss.

[00:01:13] Christina: I mean, look, that’s what happens. This is. This is honestly, this is why maybe what we should do at some point, Brett and Erin would be great if you wanted to join us for one of these, we should like record, but we could also do like a Twitter spaces thing, which is like, you know, a femoral. And although I think they are going to be adding a record feature and then that way, you know, you just get to hear the behind the scenes thing.

[00:01:36] Brett: don’t know what that is.

[00:01:39] Christina: like clubhouse, which okay. You don’t, you also don’t know about. Okay. So it’s.

[00:01:44] Brett: Cause I’m old.

[00:01:46] Christina: No, because you don’t care about this stuff because you’re not, um, like interminably online. Like I am, um, you like have other interests other than anyway. Um, it’s basically, you know, like the modern version of like the [00:02:00] party line where, you know, you have like a group of people who can all talk, but you can, um, at least with Twitter spaces, you can like.

[00:02:06] You can do this with clubhouse too, but Twitter spaces is, um, a little bit more refined, even though they kind of copied the clubhouse product, or you could like set people who are the moderators or the speakers, um, you know, the only people who can talk and then you can have people who like, just listen in, but it’s like an ephemeral thing.

[00:02:22] So like, I could just start a chat and just start talking to random people and then just like end it whenever

[00:02:27] Brett: We could do.

[00:02:29] Christina: it kept kinda be cool. It was like a behind the scenes thing. Like people wanted to listen to us like while we were cool. The live beds. I mean, we would still record on our own to do our podcasts, but we could be like,

[00:02:39] Brett: Yeah.

[00:02:40] Christina: is, this is the live thing.

[00:02:41] That’d be kind of cool.

[00:02:42] Erin: Sorry. I don’t, I don’t know if he said this, Christina, but is this sort of similar to Twitch where you’re, you’re looking at, you know, someone presumably using like a webcam or something and would that be weird for both of you? Because from what I understand, you, you never like [00:03:00] recorded and overtired like through video.

[00:03:03] Christina: right, exactly. However, this is audio only. So,

[00:03:08] Erin: man. I wanted to see that.

[00:03:09] Brett: I’m into video. We can do video.

[00:03:11] Christina: we could do video. We could actually,

[00:03:13] Brett: fucking gorgeous. Just kidding.

[00:03:18] Christina: And so modest too. Yeah, no, fuck it. We could do videos some point. Absolutely. But yeah, you’re right. We we’ve never done that sort of thing before, but yeah. We’ve spent all this money on our home, our respective AB setups. We could totally do that.

[00:03:29] Brett: Oh, man. Yeah. Thanks to work. I have a, I have a hell of a good home AAV set up that I’ve yet to use.

[00:03:38] Anyway, quick mental health corner since we already did this once, but I, I had just had a quadruple espresso, took my stimulants, trying to combat what is now a week long depression and it’s, it’s not working.

[00:03:38] Mental Health Corner

[00:03:53] Brett: And it, it baffles me. Once I’m depressed. How little like stimulant, [00:04:00] if I’m manic, stimulants only make it worse or better depending how, you know, how you like manic episodes. Um, but so they have like a stronger effect on me, but once I hit the depression, it’s like, they don’t do anything at all. It’s so weird.

[00:04:15] Christina: Yeah. Yeah. I can see that. Well, yeah. Cause I mean like, yeah. And, uh, and, and Aaron, we don’t have to get into all of these things again, but, um, But your, your, uh, your, how your mental health is your own.

[00:04:32] Erin: Mental health is that I’m okay. Got a book, uh, suggested by my therapist. And this book is using a lot of language that is like pretty crunchy and, and, and like, woo, woo. And I’m feeling not so great about that, but I think that the message of the book is like strong enough that like, I can, I can work through all the, of all the peanut butter and, and the, like the M and M’s and the [00:05:00] cashews, and like get to the heart of, you know,

[00:05:03] Brett: Was that a reference to trail man?

[00:05:06] Erin: Well, it was, yeah.

[00:05:09] What’s that trying to riff on granola? What else is synchronizing

[00:05:13] Christina: like, yeah, I’m just

[00:05:13] Erin: chocolate chips? I

[00:05:14] Brett: Real real hippies would never have m&ms in their granola. They would have, uh, they would have, um, dark chocolate pieces, probably bittersweet.

[00:05:27] Christina: Well, like Kara.

[00:05:28] Brett: Oh, right. Kara, the, the rich man’s chocolate.

[00:05:34] Christina: Right.

[00:05:36] Erin: Is it a Corpus thing?

[00:05:37] Brett: Good old raisins and peanuts.

[00:05:41] Erin: Yeah.

[00:05:42] Brett: Yeah. Yeah.

[00:05:44] Erin: cool.

[00:05:45] Brett: You should we talk, but should we talk derisively about hippies again? Or should we skip that part?

[00:05:50] Christina: No, I think we should skip that because you guys have a hard out. So, so, uh, we, we, we, we can see, we can skip our, our derisive hippie talk and get into, um,

[00:05:59] Brett: big [00:06:00] news,

[00:06:00] Christina: the big news music.

[00:06:02] Teen Concert from 2005

[00:06:02] Brett: The old people’s concerts. Tell us all

[00:06:05] Christina: The teens concert from 2005. Yeah, no. So, um, as I mentioned last week, I went to Los Angeles and I got to see like 14 on the Slater. Um, the hella mega tour, which was a Weezer fallout boy and, um, green day at Dodger stadium and it was sold out and it was like, you know, I don’t know, 45,000 people or something. It was great to be like at that, I went to the Guster concert at red rocks, but that’s Guster and I love Guster, but you know, that’s like college rock and those guys were just that really so excited to be like playing red rocks, like for their first time as like, this is like the main act like that. That was really like reaffirming.

[00:06:47] Cause I, I love them, but this was like, you know, like a rock show, right? Like, um, And it was really good. It was, it was, it was a great show. Um, shockingly [00:07:00] you know, the fact that like they, cause they ended just a little after 11. Um, and, and I think that that Weezer went on around six 30, the, the tear down time, like between the sets was incredibly efficient.

[00:07:14] Like they have that shit down. Which was really good. And they started on time, which also, I was kind of like surprised about, like, we didn’t see the opening act because who fucking cares. I don’t even know who it was, but, um, we got there right as well. We got into our seats, um, right. As Weezer was starting actually our original seats.

[00:07:31] Cause we had four seats because Catherine bought them so fucking long ago. Um, when we were supposed to see this in, in July of 2020, um, Our section no longer existed. Like that’s where like the sound setup was. And so, uh, they had to move us to a better section. So we were like actually even closer and had even better seats.

[00:07:55] Um, you know, like, so it was, it was good. [00:08:00]

[00:08:00] Brett: I’ve only ever been to one concert that had more than maybe. 200 people at it. I, when, when a pit bull killed my cat, uh, the person who owned the pit bull felt so bad. They gave me free tickets to a Metallica kid, rock concert,

[00:08:18] Christina: Oh, yeah. I remember that to

[00:08:20] Brett: rock.

[00:08:21] Erin: Yeah.

[00:08:21] Christina: course.

[00:08:22] Brett: But I went to see Metallica was impressed with how much pre-Black album stuff they played.

[00:08:28] But it was it. I did not like the stadium. I I’m just not used to stadium shows.

[00:08:34] Christina: That’s whore. Cause I think that that was in 2000.

[00:08:39] Brett: Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

[00:08:41] Christina: Okay. So that tour, I had tickets to that because I was 16 and then fucking, um, uh, James got fucking pulled over for a DUI cause he’s an asshole. And so Metallica had to cancel their show in Atlanta, like a really big [00:09:00] show because fucking James, you know, got like a DUI.

[00:09:02] And then by the time like they rescheduled, I was so mad at them over the Napster shit that I was like, fuck Metallica, fuck you with it. So I never went to that

[00:09:11] Brett: Well, wait, was it James or Lars that got pulled over?

[00:09:15] Christina: It was James.

[00:09:16] Brett: Huh?

[00:09:17] Erin: This is pretty rehab. James

[00:09:18] Christina: It’s just pre rehab. James. This is like one of the reasons like, well, no, he didn’t even go to rehab for a couple more years because now I’m thinking of some kind of monster, the, the, um, the documentary, um, which was good. Um,

[00:09:29] Brett: it was pretty.

[00:09:30] Christina: That was actually a really good documentary. I have to say like that and like not ready to make nice or whatever the hell the Dixie chicks documentary was.

[00:09:37] Like, there are a number of them that are good, but like some kind of monster that’s a good ass documentary. They just fucking hate each other so much. I love that shit. Um,

[00:09:46] Brett: of waylaid the conversation where we’re really headed towards a pop punk conversation.

[00:09:49] Christina: Yes. Yes. So, so when we were saying this before, um, uh, just, just so we can kinda set the thing. So you’re more into, and I’ve, I kind of agree with you, um, uh, Aaron, like you like, like this, like [00:10:00] these are the bands who we would call, like, and I don’t even think you can call Weezer pop punk. I mean, I think that they’re just like

[00:10:06] an alternative rock band.

[00:10:07] Right. But, but they, you know, they’ve had some hits and they’ve been remarkable. Like able to reinvent themselves over the years, which is interesting for such a nerdy band. Um, but like ballboy and green day, certainly like those are like top tier, like, you know, like bands. Whereas I think like you prefer it.

[00:10:25] And I, I, I I’m like this too. We probably like, like the smaller, like the, like the beer, the seat here a little bit more, um,

[00:10:33] Brett: What does seat here? Name a seat here, band.

[00:10:38] Erin: sure. Um, mineral, uh, what else? Like, uh, jets over Brazil, um, more recently, like hit the lights.

[00:10:51] Christina: Yeah.

[00:10:52] Erin: Um, stuff like that, like had had a strong fan base though. It was like really, really [00:11:00] small. Um, yeah. Yeah. I agree with the Weezer thing as being like an Alltrack band, their most recent record, actually. Oh, okay. So not van Weezer.

[00:11:11] The one before that bill is super sentimental, hardly any guitars on it, like chamber pop record, really, really strong. Like their strongest in years.

[00:11:22] Christina: Yeah, I would agree with that.

[00:11:24] Erin: yeah. And I think where we were leaving off, like I was bringing up this idea that like Weezer does, there’s this kind of conspiratorial idea that Weezer maybe around like maladroit or something like that.

[00:11:39] The, the record after green album started. The conspiracies that, that rivers kind of ceased, caring and trying and, and to invigorate. Uh, his interest in being, and being a sort of front man for this international rock band, um, like [00:12:00] sort of made this bow Val to himself that Weezer is, will now be a sort of like performance art band, but like a secret performance art band, right?

[00:12:08] Like making weird choices that seem, that seem quirky, but are in fact him pushing to see how. How out of the sort of mill you of alt rock pop punk, uh, he can get with without BA you know, sort of like betrayed, uh industry-wise, which is why you see, you know, an album called Hurley, because he liked Hurley from loss and seeing a dog on the cover of what is that record called a Ratatouille.

[00:12:43] Christina: Yeah.

[00:12:43] Erin: And just writing these like rock rock by numbers, songs that, that are set sometimes catchy and hooky and sweet and sugary, but, but most often are just like so, [00:13:00] so boring. And that seems to have waned in the past couple years, especially with that album that I, that I mentioned, but I really, really liked this year.

[00:13:09] Christina: I like that theory too. And I actually agree with that. And um, for whatever reason, this is like one of the weirdest things, because I think I might’ve interviewed him once, but I don’t even know how this happened. And I’m sure that he doesn’t like interact. It’s not like he ever sees my tweets or anything, but he’s followed me on Twitter for like 10 years, which is. Bizarre, right? Like, that’s like, well, no, but it’s just a weird, like I think he and Ashton Kutcher, like my weirdest Twitter follows, like,

[00:13:38] Erin: No, I could see Ashton kosher because he’s, he’s, he’s sort of transformed Animorphs style into like a kind tech bro, like a tech bro, but

[00:13:48] Christina: Except I’ve been like critical of

[00:13:49] Erin: cares?

[00:13:50] Christina: I’ve been like I, but yeah, but I’ve been like critical. Yeah.

[00:13:54] Erin: Hm.

[00:13:54] Christina: Uh, so I don’t even know, but he is, he’s like a contact bro. And I like him and Mila and that’s fine, but it is [00:14:00] one of those weird things. Like, cause neither like he doesn’t follow that many people. I don’t know why clearly when he joined or whatever the case was, he just made the decision.

[00:14:08] I was like, okay, cool. And then, you know, just didn’t unfollow, which is fine. Like I don’t, I don’t think like they actually like care or anything, but, but rivers is one of those weird ones, but I like that theory a lot. Cause I do think as he’s a really. You know, he’s a really smart guy and like, you could even see, like, he’s a great performer.

[00:14:25] That’s one thing I’ll give him, like, whether this is like all a performance art thing or not like the band puts their all into it. And they were clearly having a great time to be back in front of people again. But I really do like that idea of, of them like. Of him, like, you know, amusing himself almost by, by creating different types of work, which, which I think totally that fits with with a lot of their stuff.

[00:14:50] Um, yeah.

[00:14:53] Erin: Well, I saw your Instagram stories and they looked really solid and I really appreciated that. Like the [00:15:00] sun was still up always or most play.

[00:15:01] Christina: Yeah. They were the first one. That was the funny thing. Right? So, so they, this was what.

[00:15:06] Erin: No.

[00:15:06] Christina: so, so it was, so it was three, so it was three acts. And so they started on time cause they, they ended a little after 11. Um, I don’t know if there were like, you know, it was, they were, which if it had been one act, right, like it would have been one of those things.

[00:15:19] Like they wouldn’t come on until after the sun went down. Um, but you know, these are not like six 30. And, um, so, so the sun was up for their whole set and they were just like having a great time. So it was sort of like, cause I’ve seen them live a bunch. I haven’t seen them probably in 15 years, but I’ve seen them live like a bunch of times, usually at festivals, I think once at like an amphitheater, um, or like a standalone concert or two, but, but usually it’s been at like festivals, so I’ve seen them play certainly like, you know, in, in the summer before, but you’re right.

[00:15:47] It was like, they were just like having a blast followup way. Their set started. Um, a little bit, it was still light out and then like got dark, you know, as they were, as they were doing it. And then green day being the biggest band [00:16:00] was that was the closer obviously. So sun was down when they went up, but, um,

[00:16:05] Brett: day, bigger than Weezer.

[00:16:07] Christina: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Green day, like internationally and 70, most people I would say were probably there for. Like there were so many, I mean, the place was packed. It was packed the whole time. But I would say that, you know, green day was probably like people who were wearing, you know, the rock band shirts to the rock band, to the rock concert, which is w it was just what you see when you see a show at Dodger stadium.

[00:16:33] Um, there was a lot of, there was a lot of green day stuff,

[00:16:37] Brett: I bought a shirt at Turner. and. I have to change my clothes every time I go to target, because I’m like deathly afraid of showing up at target, wearing a target shirt.

[00:16:46] Christina: Yeah. Understood. Understood. Yeah, you totally have to. Um, but yeah, so, so yeah, green day is, is massive and, and, uh, what, all, what I appreciate about all three bands. Yeah. Is that they didn’t [00:17:00] play much new stuff. Like, it was mostly like the hits, like there were in, cause some of them would put out like, like, uh, like Weezer even said, it’s like, okay, we’re gonna play one more new song.

[00:17:07] But like they didn’t play a ton of new stuff, which, and the new stuff was, was fine, but it wasn’t one of those things. Cause sometimes you go to these shows and like, they really just want to shut the new shit down your throat and. Would this tour, they clearly knew who their audience was and what they were doing.

[00:17:23] And it didn’t feel like a, like a, um, I guess what’s like a heritage walk show. Like it didn’t have that vibe. And the audience, I would say was most of the people in their thirties. Um, but, and although you did see some young kids there, which, you know, made me realize as like green day is playing certain songs and like, they were not alive when, you know, like for a lot of that stuff.

[00:17:44] And, and, and which is always like an awkward thing to realize, but, um, Yeah. Uh, they, they, they, they weren’t, they weren’t doing that shit where like, you know, they refuse to play the hits. Like they played for all three bands, like played all the hits, which was really, really [00:18:00] good. And, and I appreciate it because if you’re spending that much money and you’re going to a show like at that sort of location, like, you want to see the hits, like, if you’re at like a smaller club than you, or whatever, where the fans are, like, maybe you want to see some deep cuts or some new stuff or whatever, but if you’re a Dodger fucking stadium, like I need you to play buddy.

[00:18:17] Huh? And the sweater song, and my name is Jonas. You know what I mean?

[00:18:21] Erin: Yeah, especially that, that, that last one that’s, that’s not unreasonable. I think green day is as close as I get to like my flavor of punk being political. And, and even as like a political agents, I don’t know what kind of like material change green day has brought to. Two people. I, I’m not sure, but like punk music that has anything to do with what a lot of folks would say, punk is about like pugs and attitude.

[00:18:55] Punk is about the dissolution of hierarchy. Punk is about the [00:19:00] dismantling of power structures, whatever. Like doesn’t interest me at all. Politically I’m interested, but musically, I’m not interested at all. Like I like punk that. Awful. If it’s signifiers stripped until it’s a barely recognizable husk. And the only,

[00:19:17] Brett: Okay.

[00:19:17] Erin: the only thing that’s left is like a reliance on a, on a BPM that’s I don’t know, greater than a heartbeat and like four chords, like, is it and like pizza and, and like being, being, uh, you know, bummed that the girl like doesn’t like you back also doesn’t hurt.

[00:19:37] But like the political stuff I’m like, uh,

[00:19:40] Christina: yeah. Yeah. I mean it varies. I mean, I think green day probably of them probably gets like the most intuitive and like, um, you know, American idiot was at least for a mainstream rock album. Right. Uh, a fairly political record, especially one that, that sold as many copies as it sold.

[00:19:53] Like they’re not, you know, and, and, and he’s had, you know, but like, I mean, then I would hardly call that political and [00:20:00] like an actual punk record sense, but, but that was. That was definitely a mainstream political rock record to put out in 2004 or whatever. Um, I don’t know. I love, I just, I love like a good, I fucking love pop music.

[00:20:14] So a good like pop punk, just like a melody, like you say, like four chords and just like, uh, like a memorable, like Diddy. Like I love that shit. And, and that’s one of the reasons why I like follow boy is so great because they’ve just amazing lyrics, but really good hook.

[00:20:30] Erin: It’s so weird that Pete Wentz writes the lyrics. Like it’s, sometimes those layers are like quite profound. Um, especially on like, like, I don’t know, what was the record? Like infinity on high was kind of like this and like the first record where they’re like, kind of trying to sound like, say what you are.

[00:20:47] And like this saves the day stuff like this lyrics are like quite good. Sometimes I’m like very literary. Um,

[00:20:54] Christina: very, very literally like, like, and, and, and that’s the thing. That’s what I always like, uh, appreciate about them. Um, [00:21:00] so my friend who I went with, she’s like a massive followup boy fan, and I didn’t know this about her. And like, if you know her personality, this is actually kind of surprising.

[00:21:09] And I’m like, I didn’t realize how into pop punk. She wasn’t actually on the way back actually. So after we went to the class, We went to, um, her parents’ house, um, and, uh, Santa Ynez, which is, um, in, um, Santa Barbara county and, um, like very beautiful, but kind of, you know, um, remote, like there’s a lot of wineries and stuff or satellite.

[00:21:32] Yeah. Uh, not a lot of cell service. Um, a lot of rich people’s houses, um, and, um, like farms and cows and stuff grazing and it’s, um, it’s, it’s beautiful, but it’s like a two and a half hour drive or whatever from downtown LA. And we were listening to, um, an emo night, um, DJ mix the whole time. And I don’t know if either of you have ever gone to any of the emo night, um, show.[00:22:00]

[00:22:00] Brett: Hm.

[00:22:02] Erin: familiar with them. They even have a restaurant in LA and it’s that’s ridiculous.

[00:22:07] Christina: So, so it, at least, at least in Brooklyn, like there was always once a month, it was always like an emo night party, usually at Brooklyn bowl. And, and like, you have, like, you would just have like really good DJs who were like doing really, really good mashups and mixes of pop pumps, pop punk songs. And so she had some of those mixes and, and we were just like having a blast, like listening to that stuff.

[00:22:25] Cause it, it, it, you know, um, um, Interpolated like a bunch of, of the different bands and would also kind of mix in some other types of stuff too. Like the, the, the mix was really good. I’m going to need to find it off of Spotify, but it was really fun, but it was funny for me because Catherine is just, um, I, for whatever reason, I just never like took her as being like a huge pop punk fan, but she is, and I am, and I have been like my whole life, but she’s a massive followup within, but she got into them like, When they were on hiatus, which is so weird.

[00:22:57] Um, but she’s a really big fan of Patrick and would go to a lot [00:23:00] of his, um, solo shows and at smaller venues. But yeah, but Pete rice, the lyrics, but mostly lyrics and he’s very good. Like. He also looked really good. I have to say like his, his hair, he had like a bun thing going on. Um, it looked good, like his, his clothes, which are always interesting.

[00:23:23] Like I enjoyed whatever street style sort of thing he was doing. Um, it was good.

[00:23:28] Brett: I have to interrupt. I have a segue. I do have a segue. So one hallmark of actual punk rock is this anti-capitalist sentiment. And speaking of capitalism, um, and, and sell out bands like green day, fuck up pinnacle of Amar, a core tenant of American capitalism is debt. And speaking of debt consolidation, did I do that?

[00:23:55] That was a bit of a walk. That was a bit of

[00:23:57] Erin: You landed

[00:23:57] Christina: it’s a bit of luck. No, but I think, I think it almost works like [00:24:00] when we’re talking about like the things that they rail against, one of them is, you know, the debt society that we’re in. Right. Go, go for it. Read, read, read, read your review.

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[00:25:42] Christina: Excellent.

[00:25:42] The Continuing Pop Punk Report

[00:25:42] Brett: back to you, Christina, with the pop punk, right.

[00:25:46] Christina: Yeah, no. Um, now I don’t remember what I was saying.

[00:25:49] Brett: Something about a man bun that looked good.

[00:25:52] Christina: Oh, yeah, no, he looked good. I was just, no, all I was basically getting out was, was that Pete looked taught. Um, and, and actually what I [00:26:00] was texting people was that I will still fuck Pete Wentz. So, um, that, that, that is, that is our update on that. I

[00:26:06] Erin: My whole thing. My whole thing with you, Christina, and, and listening to you speak about men is that I love it. And, you know, last time I was on, we were talking about, you know, bachelor in paradise. We were talking about the sort of bachelor nation at large. And you, you know, you mentioned Connor, the cat man.

[00:26:28] And now, you know, it’s Pete Wentz and I, you know, I, I, I am a queer woman, you know, CIS dudes, not necessarily my thing presumably says whatever, um, between Pete and Connor, like, I, I, I, I just feel like I love being on the outside of this. Like, what is it about. Because these are very different men, you know?

[00:26:53] And I think you, you have used the fuck word to describe, you know, a sort of desire about both of them. [00:27:00] And I, I think, you know, if, if we’re ever going to start a podcast, you know, it’s, it’s, you may be describing, you know, the sort of thing. Dynamism and breadth of, of this kind of attraction, because these are two different, very different people.

[00:27:18] Right. So, but they ha they must have something in common for you to be like, oh, what’s up? Um, so like, what is that about Pete Wentz?

[00:27:26] Christina: Well, I think he’s like conventionally attractive. Like his face is conventionally attractive. Um, which helps, um, I mean, that’s why he was like the one, even though he’s not the lead singer, right? Like he like was the face of kind of the band. So I think commissional, he was he’s conventionally attractive, but I don’t know.

[00:27:43] I mean, again, like he can write and he just seems like a fun kind of. Like he has a good personality. That’s the thing I’ll say with like Connor, the cat total Himba don’t care. It’s just like, he has a good body and it would be like, I wouldn’t like want a relationship with Connor, but like, [00:28:00] yeah.

[00:28:01] Erin: Um, yeah.

[00:28:04] Christina: Like Connor’s like, yeah. Would fuck. But like, Uh, Pete Wentz and like, oh no, he’s still got it. He there’s a charisma angle to him. For sure. Like, he’s, he’s definitely got a charisma play. And, and it’s interesting because Billy Joe Armstrong who a has not aged, like he’s 50 and he looks amazing, like whatever his skin care regimen is, whatever.

[00:28:22] Like, I mean, it helps these Diana’s hair black as always, but also helps that he still has his hair because, you know, um, that’s the thing that that age has been the most, unless they just, you know, decide to just go all in and like shave it. And then they. You know, uh, offset that a little bit. Um, he like his face, like doesn’t have like the weird, like wrinkle, like he doesn’t have like the look of like some guy who’s been literally in a band since like 1985, like.

[00:28:49] Erin: takes care of himself.

[00:28:50] Christina: clearly he does, but, but like, because you know, they had like, um, you know, cameras and stuff and like, we were, we were too far back to like see up close on the stage, but, you know, they had like the [00:29:00] jumbo-tron sort of things. And so they’re doing closeups of his face and stuff. And like, I’m looking at them, I’m trying to figure out I’m like, okay, has he had injectables?

[00:29:07] Does he have Botox? Cause he doesn’t have like the Botox, like sheen, you know, like it doesn’t look plastic-y, it looks good, but I’m not seeing any wrinkles. Like I was genuinely like sometimes like take it. Of the thing a little bit, like trying to figure out, okay, what work has he had done? Because it’s really good.

[00:29:23] And I want, I want his surgeon because I I’m like against aging at all costs, so, so, um,

[00:29:30] Brett: so this is, this is fascinating and I do want to get back to it, but the segue is too perfect. Right now.

[00:29:36] Christina: yep. Read it, do it.

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[00:31:26] And now back to Christina with the, uh, description of what makes a guy, uh, what was the word?

[00:31:35] Is Billy Joe Armstrong Fuckable?

[00:31:35] Christina: Yeah. So this is what I was going to say this, so here’s the interesting thing. So like Billy Joe Armstrong looks great and he’s a great front man. Um, and he’s, he’s an attractive guy, but like, I’ve never been like, oh, I, I want to like. Get with him, you know what I mean? Like if for whatever reason he doesn’t have that appeal.

[00:31:53] So I don’t know. We’ll have to explore that more and another sort of thing. Uh, Aaron,

[00:31:58] Brett: What’s the, what’s the [00:32:00] French word for that special something. Jeanette say quasi. Is that, is that what I’m

[00:32:04] Erin: I think, I think the recipe in terms of Pete once goes for the Genesee. Quiet is, is this is someone who looks like. You know, they’re pretty serious about their bench, press numbers, someone who, you know, they, they have their AirPods in, and they’re either listening to an audio book or mysterious guy hardcore, and someone who looks like they smell good.

[00:32:31] He looks like he smells good.

[00:32:33] Christina: Yes he does. Yes. I think, I think you nailed it. Whereas I think Billy Joe probably doesn’t always smell good.

[00:32:39] Erin: Well, yeah, no, no. And that’s the sort of like legitimacy, um, that he carries with him as an actual crust punk who is, which is who he is at his core.

[00:32:54] Brett: So I got to say my tastes definitely lean more towards like Matt [00:33:00] Bonner from, uh, from white collar.

[00:33:03] Christina: Oh yeah.

[00:33:04] Brett: He, he is like that to me, that’s like it. If I were going to pick a guy, which I’m not opposed to in any way, um, Matt, Bonner’s kind of, that’s my guy,

[00:33:17] Christina: No. I mean, Matt Bonner is, is super, super hot. Um, I, unfortunately I’m not his type, which is okay. I’m like,

[00:33:23] Brett: I, am his type.

[00:33:24] Christina: you are his type. Well now.

[00:33:26] Brett: as genitalia goes,

[00:33:27] Christina: Yeah, but, but like his husband like looks a lot like him, um, which is super hot too. Yeah. But no, I, I, yeah, I know. I like that. I like that. Look for sure. But yeah. Um, Nova Pete, Pete’s just like pizza, cute guy.

[00:33:42] Uh, but he, and he still has it. Right. Um, and Patrick who’s shy C uh, Catherine is a massive Patrick fan and she was like, he was really feeling himself. I was like, okay.

[00:33:55] Erin: cute.

[00:33:56] Christina: Yeah. Um, but yeah, no, it was, it was really [00:34:00] fun to like be at one of those shows again, but it was, it was weird. Cause we, we talked about this, like, you know, a lot of times like, like the last concert, well, I went to Guster, but like the last show I went to before COVID was dashboard confessional at, um, at Webster hall, which, and I love, uh, Chris Krav, speaking of people who, okay.

[00:34:16] His current hair really bothers me, but he’s still so cute to me. And again, it looks like he smells good. Um, And, and I love his lyrics and I love the whole emo ness of the whole thing. But like, even though it was Webster hall, you know, and it was packed or whatnot, like it was a standing show, you know, w it, it was one of those sorts of venues and whatnot where this, this, this, it felt like I was like back in high school, like at the warp tour,

[00:34:40] Erin: Absolutely. I was really into his first band. Further seems

[00:34:45] Christina: forever. Yes.

[00:34:47] Erin: Yeah, super into them. And then I think I remember going to Kmart, uh, what I was, what, when I was a kid and, uh, uh, the places you’ve come to fear the most [00:35:00] and, uh, full collapsed by Thursday, like came out around the same time and I like picked both of those up spending.

[00:35:06] Yeah. I dunno, probably 30 bucks CDs are so expensive and I listened to those records so much. There were CDs. Uh, so yeah, love, love, dashboard. Love that. Record everything. After that, I don’t know. I guess I’m going to pull that card. Love the early stuff. Right?

[00:35:22] Christina: Well, and the early stuff is, is the best, but, but, um, and then he kind of took a break for a while. So like the weird thing with them is like, you know, They were S like further, seems to have, are kind of how to add an audience, but it was smaller. Like, I was really, really into saves the day. And like, we used to tour, we used to like, follow them around and like, We were, we were kind of groupies.

[00:35:42] And then like, there was a who