247: Winners v. Drugs

Overtired 247

Brett: [00:00:00] [00:00:00]I think I’ll do the intro this week.

[00:00:06]Christina: [00:00:06] I like that idea.

[00:00:07]Brett: [00:00:07] You are listening to Overtired I am Brett Terpstra. I am here with Christina Warren, Christina, how are you

[00:00:14]Christina: [00:00:14] I’m pretty good. I’m pretty good. It is early for me. It’s like six 30 in the morning. However, I’ve been awake since, I don’t know, like it’s either two or 3:00 AM, so, um, well, not really. So I kind of like took a nap late that sort of went to like going to bed really early and then my body woke up and then I was like, well, I know I have to be up to do the podcast.

[00:00:42] And I have a bunch of other stuff I need to do today. So am I going to be able to get any sleep or not? I wasn’t really sure. And then I wanted like taking my meds at like 5:00 AM. So kind of on purpose?

[00:00:53] Brett: [00:00:53] Yeah. Okay. I I’ve done that. I’ve done that many times.

[00:00:57]Christina: [00:00:57] Yeah, I’m actually way more, [00:01:00] I’m not a morning person. Um, however, like I like, you know, the, the evenings much more I’m, I’m a night owl. I’d like to stay up late, whatever. However, if I can actually wake up early and get started, I’m so much more productive for the entire day. So it’s one of these weird things where I’m not a morning person, but I really need to try to force myself into being.

[00:01:22] Brett: [00:01:22] I love mornings so much because nobody else is up. I nobody interrupts me. I don’t have to worry about anyone pinging me on slack or giving me a phone call. I just get up. And I just, I usually code in the morning, but I get up at five 30 and my Workday doesn’t usually like start in earnest until 10:00 AM my time because most of the team is in California.

[00:01:46] So that’s 8:00 AM their time. Or they’re overseas and they’re like on a completely, like 12 hour off schedule. So I get this nice space from like 5:30 AM till like [00:02:00] nine where it’s just like, just my time to code. I love mornings. And I get up at five 30 and like sometimes, like I set an alarm for five 30, just cause I like consistency, but I, wake up every morning uh, for the last month or so I wake up at 5:26 AM.

[00:02:22] Just automatically and I’m just ready to go. And then I shut off my alarm. I like it when my system agrees with my schedule.

[00:02:30] Christina: [00:02:30] Yeah. Um, I I’m the person who, unless I’m already up or whatever, I have like four alarms set usually. And then I’ll also hits news. Number of times, it’s one of those things where like, I ha I have a built-in buffer for what time I know I have to actually be up like, so I have like an early time. I’m like, Okay.

[00:02:50] well, this is what time I would like to be up, but I know I’m going to hit snooze at least this many times.

[00:02:57] And I know that I’m going to in [00:03:00] my own mind, like reset alarms and do other stuff. So let me go ahead and preset alarms for like, I have a bunch of them and then it’d be like, okay, what’s the absolute latest that I can be up. Like, for instance, I had one set. I didn’t need it, but I had one set for six 20 and one set for 5 45.

[00:03:17] I had one set for six o’clock. I had one set for six 20, knowing knowing that six 20 was like, okay, that was the absolute latest. You can get up to do this at six 30

[00:03:27] Brett: [00:03:27] Why, why wouldn’t you just set the alarm for the latest.

[00:03:31] Christina: [00:03:31] because I, I have this great thought in My, mind. Well, maybe I will actually get up early and be more productive and get something done. Like it’s, it’s aspirational. It’s not realistic. It’s aspirational. And I should be self-aware enough to be like, you’re not going to do this. However, occasionally I surprise myself.

[00:03:50] And then sometimes there are times when, like I’m just up at three o’clock in the morning, so I don’t need it anyway. So it’s just.

[00:03:57] Brett: [00:03:57] My, my advice that you didn’t ask [00:04:00] for is to just set the alarm for when you have to get up. And if you wake up earlier, great, go with what your body says, but don’t like, I feel like that’s counterproductive to like interrupt your sleep five times

[00:04:12] Christina: [00:04:12] it it is part of the reason though that I have to have like a couple of the stages is because I know I will hit snooze at least once. And so I can’t do it for like, this is the time you have to actually get up.

[00:04:27] because I have to build in a buffer now, do I need All of the buffers that I built in?

[00:04:30] Probably not, but I need like at least two, because if I hit snooze and I really needed to be up at 6:20 and you know, like 6:29, like is going to be too late or whatever, because 10 minutes can make a difference. Like I’m going to have to push back, push it back to an earlier time so I can hit snooze at least once and like find a way to, to put it off.

[00:04:52]Brett: [00:04:52] All right. So talk about Christina’s sleep schedule, check.

[00:04:56] Christina: [00:04:56] Yep.

[00:04:57] Brett: [00:04:57] Um, how’s your, how’s your mental health?

[00:04:59][00:05:00] Christina: [00:04:59] It’s not too bad. It’s not too bad. I mean, it’s not like awesome, but it’s not terrible. Um, how’s yours.

[00:05:07] Brett: [00:05:07] Oh, actually like for once I have nothing to report things have been normal, productive, happy work has been very frustrating. Um, I, do you want to hear it?

[00:05:22] Christina: [00:05:22] Yeah. I was going to say, let’s just look at, that feels like mental health corner. Let’s talk.

[00:05:26] Brett: [00:05:26] Yeah. Actually, if anything is mental health for me, it’s work. Um, so w Oracle teamed up with red bull racing and, uh, or like sponsored them. And we’re doing these, I think I’ve talked about this, but we’re doing this like a hands-on lab where people can, uh, the beginner one is you collect F1 race data, and use machine learning to predict the winners of.

[00:05:53] Races and like taking into account all of the like tires [00:06:00] and, uh, pit times, and who’s driving all of this. Um, and the lab itself, my only job with this whole project is to write the README that will go on, GitHub that will get people set up and walk them through the lab, which was a daunting task to begin with because I know nothing about machine learning, the whole thing’s done in Jupiter notebooks.

[00:06:27] I’m not a Python guy. I’ve never used Jupiter notebooks. Like I had to learn all of this in order to write, or, you know, I had to learn a little… enough to write a reasonable, like how to, um, and that would have been fine. I’ve had this project for like two months now, except the lab wasn’t. Uh, finished until this week.

[00:06:53] And even then it wasn’t finished. So I’ve spent the last two weeks trying to [00:07:00] get through like the prerequisites set up, uh, like setting up cloud machines, setting up deployment, building the data science notebooks and everything. One problem after another huge frustration finally got it up and running, uh, walked through the notebooks, ran into problems every step of that way.

[00:07:20] Uh, and then ultimately got to the end of the tutorial that had been written like a PowerPoint deck full of slides basically… full of screenshots basically. So I got all the way through it found out it doesn’t resolve. Like you get everything set up and, and you like prep all the data and then nothing like the lab as it’s written, doesn’t do anything.

[00:07:45] So I can’t write about it. Then yesterday they decided, oh wait, we can create a custom image that people can just load and run this. So that three weeks of me trying to [00:08:00] deploy the thing completely out the door, I don’t need to write about any of that. The stuff I do need to write about isn’t finished yet.

[00:08:07] And the lab is like the original due date on this was Tuesday. And now it’s Thursday, Friday. No. And here’s those but irrelevant. Um, and I have nothing to write. Like I can’t do my job. They’ve already started, uh, posting this on like social media, writing blogs about it and uh, like pimping it. And it’s not there.

[00:08:32] Like the lab will not be ready. Um, I’m a little freaked out. It’s very stressed.

[00:08:38]Christina: [00:08:38] Okay. So I understand that you’re freaked out. I understand that they’ve already said that it’s coming the, did they like give in the blogs? Did they give like a hard date? Like it’s coming this day?

[00:08:49] Brett: [00:08:49] Yeah. They’ve already started taking registrations for it.

[00:08:52] Christina: [00:08:52] Okay. All right. So, and, and, but it was supposed to have happen on Tuesday.

[00:08:57] Brett: [00:08:57] the actual event doesn’t happen [00:09:00] until August 11th,

[00:09:01] Christina: [00:09:01] Oh,

[00:09:02] Brett: [00:09:02] but they wanted the, the tutorial written Tuesday so that the panelists could start going through it. And we would have time to do further debugging and refining. So it’s not drop dead due yet.

[00:09:18] Christina: [00:09:18] No, no, no. Okay. So, so the 11th, that’s fine. So it would have been good if you’d had on Tuesday, but, um, Sam forgetting that, like you haven’t worked in corporate America for a long time, so, so you don’t understand how fungible a lot of this stuff is because basically you have two weeks.

[00:09:33] So if you have this by like, I don’t know, honestly, if you have this by the fourth, if you haven’t even by, by like the sixth, you’re fine. Um, because. Yeah. Okay. You’d be better probably if you had it, like by like Thursday, so you could, if you needed to make changes, you can make them like Friday, but the 11th is a Wednesday, so Yeah. you’re fine.

[00:09:56] Brett: [00:09:56] Yeah. Yeah. I keep telling myself that I [00:10:00] also keep telling myself this isn’t my fault. I haven’t necessarily failed. Like I’ve done everything I could.

[00:10:07] Christina: [00:10:07] No, you, you got everything you could.

[00:10:08] they also, they, they changed like the way that they could do the image and the other stuff. And honestly, you probably ran into some stuff That other people would be running into as well. Right.

[00:10:17] Brett: [00:10:17] That was my concern. The whole time is if me with my, my background, like I’m, I’m not a newbie developer. Some of these concepts are new.

[00:10:28] Christina: [00:10:28] you’ve set up your fair share of environments, right? Like, Yeah.

[00:10:31] Like this is not something that’s new to for you. And, and, um, I mean, honestly, I don’t know what they’re doing. Are they getting to people like a Docker image that they can just kind of, um,

[00:10:41] Brett: [00:10:41] so like they have, they call it a stack. Uh, it’s a, it’s a zip file that includes like Terraform scripts that sets up a compartment for you in your, in your cloud, that tenancy, um, and, and sets up the data [00:11:00] science, uh, instance and, uh, bill like gives you a blank Jupiter notebook that then you can log into and, and clone the, the notebook repo.

[00:11:12] So it’s not it the way that I did it, it was not a full image. It was basically a Terraform script,

[00:11:20] Christina: [00:11:20] Got it. Okay. Well, I mean, but

[00:11:22] Brett: [00:11:22] but it will

[00:11:22] Christina: [00:11:22] into this, but it will be.

[00:11:24] right. Which, which is good. Yeah. I mean, it seems to me and I don’t, I don’t know like how they’re, how they’re doing this. It seems to me like, and, and there’s probably a good reason why you can’t just have a Docker deploy thing because, um, and maybe the Terraform script is, you know, setting up a Docker instance.

[00:11:39] I don’t know. And maybe there’s something with the cloud set up that doesn’t allow that I’m not sure I’m not going to, uh, uh, try to do the, I I’m stopping myself from going down a rabbit hole with you there. They’re going to figure out the problem. Um, the only thing I’m going say is like, yeah, you ran into this other people are definitely gonna run into this.

[00:11:55] So that’s number one and they had to figure it out because you were going through this [00:12:00] problems. Yeah. They’re going to get it figured out as long as you have it up and that people can ideally, the panelists can test it before the 11th. That’s great. Um, you know, and even then, if there are issues, I mean, you get feedback, you can make changes.

[00:12:15] It’s uh, that’s

[00:12:18] Brett: [00:12:18] worry. I just worry that we’re asking, like, this is a beginner lab. We’re asking most of the people taking pertinent, we’ll be setting up their first, uh, Oracle cloud infrastructure, uh, account like the free account. This is their first, right? This is their first impression of Oracle’s cloud services.

[00:12:41] Christina: [00:12:41] So, so, Okay.

[00:12:43] I’m going to frame this for you in a really like, clear way. This is all really good feedback for a post. I I’m not, I’m not even joking like a, that is not your decision or your problem. Like you were tasked with doing a certain thing and, and, and getting it to work a certain way. This is all really good feedback for a post-mortem [00:13:00] for people to look at, because you’re going to figure that out.

[00:13:02] Um, realistically it is too late to be able to make any sort of grand scale decision about like what the best way to distribute this would be. And if this was the right model, and if you need something else, but this is also how you learn and how you get feedback. So this is all really good stuff for a post-mortem you’ll figure it out.

[00:13:18] You’ll get good insights. The fact that you were running into these things beforehand, cause you were trying, it’s not like sometimes, and I’m not going to say that I’ve ever done this or anything, but you know where like you have a certain amount of time for a project and you don’t really start it until.

[00:13:33]Fairly late in the process. And then you run into like blockers and then you’re kind of like, all right, well, this is my fault, but I’m going to try to, you know, BS my way out of it. Like you were giving them feedback, as you were going through this, you were figuring out like what the issues were and you were like, letting people know.

[00:13:49] So a none of this is on you. Um, it’s gonna, what’s going to get done is going to get done, but, but be, and I think this is more important even if the result is, as you say, this is [00:14:00] gonna be people’s first impression and it’s not a good one and it’s complicated and you, and they don’t know what to do.

[00:14:04] That’s all really good feedback. And sometimes you have to have that feedback from the actual end-users because coming from the people on the team, people don’t listen to that. Like sometimes you have to actually, uh, and I, and I, I putting it this way because I think this is going to happen. But just as a way of framing it, because I say this to people I work with too, sometimes you have to let stuff fail.

[00:14:26] Like sometimes you have to let it happen for things to be able to be improved.

[00:14:30]Brett: [00:14:30] Okay. I appreciate your feedback. I’m sorry. This conversation got really boring for everyone.

[00:14:35] Christina: [00:14:35] No, no, but honestly, I actually think that last bit that I shared, cause I’ve had to come to terms with this before, too, where sometimes you can only do what you can do and sometimes you have to let stuff, if it is going to maybe not work out or not, whatever, like you have to let that happen.

[00:14:52] Brett: [00:14:52] See, I I’m used to, like for like 10 years, I’ve been independent where everything is [00:15:00] like entirely responsibility and both good and bad. And I can take like, if something goes wrong, I know who to blame. It’s me. Like everything was under my control. So this is a certain feeling of helplessness.

[00:15:14] Christina: [00:15:14] right. Because you’re not in control, you’re not in control. And sometimes, and, and I think this is like maybe the more broad thing, like not just like your specific situation, but there are instances that we all run into where, um, you have, um, like. Sorry, what was I going to say? Where, you know, you need resources, you need help.

[00:15:34] You need people to like, convince them like, Hey, this is what I need to actually get this done. And you’re not going to get it unless they actually see that you need it. Cause if you keep pulling miracles out of your ass and making it work, they will never get you what you want ever.

[00:15:46] Brett: [00:15:46] setting, setting bad precedent. Do you have to use JIRA?

[00:15:49]Christina: [00:15:49] I don’t. We use something else. Uh, which is, I mean, it’s both better and worse. Um, it’s better. Cause it’s not JIRA, but it’s worse because it’s [00:16:00] still a pain in the ass. But no, we don’t use JIRA.

[00:16:02] Brett: [00:16:02] I think I’m realizing that my problem isn’t necessarily with JIRA, I think any kind of a ticket based project management system that requires me to like post my status for everyone else. I’m just really bad. Like I worked for agile, uh, w what was agile bits, a

[00:16:22] Christina: [00:16:22] Right? one password,

[00:16:23] Brett: [00:16:23] and part of the job, everyone on the team, no matter what your position was, was doing customer support and logging into the forums every day and taking as many support requests as you could, like first thing in the morning, and I’m just really bad.

[00:16:40]That like logging in and handling other people’s problems. Like I, I do great with my customer support for my own software. People always tell me, I love your support. You’re very responsive. You do a great job. There’s something about like, I have to be truly invested to, to want [00:17:00] to like, to spend my time updating a ticket system instead of just doing the work.

[00:17:08] Like it never sits well with me. And I, I, I don’t think JIRA is the problem. I think it’s my attitude toward like

[00:17:17] Christina: [00:17:17] No.

[00:17:18] Brett: [00:17:18] to do a group,

[00:17:20] Christina: [00:17:20] No 100%. Um, yeah, cause I’ve used what I’ve used. Uh, um, what’s not at last year, I’ve used a sauna.

[00:17:29] Uh, I’ve used Trello. Uh, I’ve used, um, uh, Azure DevOps. I’ve used, uh, what do we call it as a planner? Which, which is, Microsoft’s like like version of Trello essentially, uh, get hub has some sort of thing that’s kind of similar.

[00:17:47] Um,

[00:17:47] Brett: [00:17:47] hubs.

[00:17:48] Christina: [00:17:48] yeah, I do too. I actually would probably rather, um, use, um,

[00:17:54]Brett: [00:17:54] Get hub projects.

[00:17:56] Christina: [00:17:56] yeah, exactly. I would probably actually rather use that than an agile dev DevOps, but we use Azure [00:18:00] DevOps boards for a lot of stuff. I would probably rather use projects, but it, it, it is what it is. And I kind of run into the same thing where there are things where like, I have my own lists of my own stuff that I’m doing.

[00:18:10] And then I forget to like update the other. I got good. When I was at Mossville anchors, Moda, we used Trello. And ironically I’m saying ironic because I I’m bad at this stuff now. Like I was the one who fought for, at Mashable anyway, for us to use Trello because we didn’t have any sort of, and that was what the newsroom used.

[00:18:28] First. We actually tried to use a sauna because that was what the product team used. And, um, it was just, I couldn’t convince like journalists people to get into that mind flow.

[00:18:40] Brett: [00:18:40] Trella makes a lot more sense for, for a newsroom, especially.

[00:18:45] Christina: [00:18:45] No, it was great. Cause you could drag it around and then each card could have links. And so we would have different like, you know, things like this has been assigned, this is being worked on, this can be grabbed. This is being, this is in edit. This is, you know, scheduled to publish. This has been published, you know, we had different boards and stuff.

[00:18:59] And so [00:19:00] we got pretty good with that, but yeah, there were times when, cause I had like my personal board that was often a mess and it was like, Yeah.

[00:19:05] cause I had my own list someplace that I didn’t update. So I feel you, and there are things that work now where I’m like, oh right. I need to update my status on this Azure dev ops board.

[00:19:14] Um, and I’m just like, yep. Um, I haven’t been great at that, which is why I’m not an ideal PM I guess.

[00:19:23] Brett: [00:19:23] Totally meet you there. If you’re ever looking for a really, really good Trello alternative, uh, Mr. Task from the people who make mine, Meiser is a really well thought out. Uh, Kanban, Kanban, Kanban.

[00:19:39] Christina: [00:19:39] Yeah. However you.

[00:19:40] Brett: [00:19:40] Uh, board at with like full dashboard, you can have multiple projects and a good API. It’s it’s really nice.

[00:19:49] I’ve only used it on small teams. I’ve never used it on like a team of 10 or more. So I, I, I don’t know how it holds up. I assume it does.

[00:19:58] Christina: [00:19:58] it’s good. Yeah. Um,

[00:20:00] [00:19:59] Brett: [00:19:59] I love that you can turn a MindMeister mind mask into a Meiser task task board with one click.

[00:20:07]Christina: [00:20:07] yeah, no, that’s nice. No, see That’s super good. yeah. I, um, I love Air table. We used to use air table and then we had to stop and then we had to stop using it. But I love air table.

[00:20:17] Brett: [00:20:17] table’s awesome.

[00:20:18] Christina: [00:20:18] Air table is really good.

[00:20:20] Brett: [00:20:20] Yeah. So you want to completely change the subject?

[00:20:23] Christina: [00:20:23] 100%.

[00:20:24] Brett: [00:20:24] It was my birthday last week.

[00:20:26] Christina: [00:20:26] I know it was

[00:20:27] Brett: [00:20:27] but.

[00:20:28] Christina: [00:20:28] happy birthday.

[00:20:29] Brett: [00:20:29] Thank you for my birthday. I thought, you know what it’s been, uh, how, how old am I? 40? It’s been over 20 years since I’ve tried smoking pot. And so I, I got some pot, some weed, some grass as the kids say in 1965.

[00:20:51] Um,

[00:20:51] Christina: [00:20:51] what kids, kids today are like a CBD, you know, they’re like edibles. They’re like, yeah.

[00:20:57] Brett: [00:20:57] Yeah. So friends brought both [00:21:00] a vape pen and some actual, like a one hitter. And I chose to go with the, I missed the feeling of smoke in my lungs. So I went with the good old fashioned spark I, okay. So back in high school, I tried pot a few times and I had these really bad experiences with like instant vertigo.

[00:21:21] And like, I would just end up on a couch, unable to think feeling crappy. And I, I

[00:21:29] Christina: [00:21:29] And you’re like, and you’re, you’re like, I hate this. I’m going straight to heroin.

[00:21:33] Brett: [00:21:33] pretty much. Well, I went through like speed and Coke and then decided to go for like downers. But, um, I was really hoping like I’ve I’ve for the last 20 years, I’ve listened to people talk about just like relaxing and opening your mind and just like the fun of being stoned. And I thought maybe it’ll be different now.

[00:21:52] So I had my birthday party a week late because of my oral surgery. Um, and, and so it [00:22:00] was just this week or like this last weekend I tried, it had the exact same experience as high school. It was. Awful. Like, I

[00:22:09] Christina: [00:22:09] Oh, no.

[00:22:10] Brett: [00:22:10] it. Like my, my, I couldn’t, I couldn’t think I couldn’t follow a conversation for more than five seconds.

[00:22:16] And I was constantly trying to like piece together what had just happened in the last 30 seconds to an extent where like, I wasn’t freaked out. I didn’t get anxious, but it was very frustrating. And I ended up just sitting on the couch and petting my, my dog because it was the only, I didn’t have to follow my dog’s conversation.

[00:22:37] I had to leave the party because it was so it was awful. So are, I am not becoming a pot smoker as much as the idea of it appeals to me, it apparently won’t work for me.

[00:22:50]Christina: [00:22:50] I’m so disappointed to hear That So I used to, so in college, I guess, which was really the first time I ever actively tried smoking pot, I think I [00:23:00] tried a few times in high school and like wasn’t quite successful. Um, I was also more into like, Drinking then, um, I got anxious. Like I didn’t like it. And so I didn’t smoke very much for very often.

[00:23:13] Um, and then Cocaine never did anything for me, sadly, because I know I blamed, I blamed the Dexedrine. I know that’s what I’ve heard. And I’ve, I’ve tried a number of times and it does literally has no impact, which is shitty because I would love it, I think. Um,

[00:23:31] Brett: [00:23:31] think the DEXA drain, like I haven’t done, I stopped doing cocaine long before I ever got treated for ADHD. I wonder

[00:23:37] Christina: [00:23:37] I think it was the DEXA

[00:23:38] Brett: [00:23:38] interacts differently with stimulants other stimulants.

[00:23:41] Christina: [00:23:41] Yeah. I think that had to be what it was. Um, there were a couple of times when I took NoDoz in high school and one’s in college and it like fused with my DEXA drain. And I think that the reaction was probably either what full on speed would have been like or cocaine.

[00:23:57] Um, and it was great. It was [00:24:00] terrifying, uh, especially the first time. Fucking terrifying, but it was also kind of great, but no. Um, so, so anyway though, um, smoking weed doesn’t do much for me, however edible I really enjoy.

[00:24:13] Brett: [00:24:13] Huh? Yeah. The reaction I had feels like a, an allergy. I don’t think any form of, of THC is going to agree with my system. And it was a bad enough experience that I’m not

[00:24:27] Christina: [00:24:27] no. And I, yeah, I, I didn’t recommend that. I’m just saying I edibles have been the thing that I enjoy and then like, you can have different concentrations, like some that are more CBD. Some they’re more THC, some that are more like this or that. I don’t know all the different things. Um, and

[00:24:42] Brett: [00:24:42] this reaction I had, by the way, I took two hits. Like it, it like, I, it was nothing. I took two, like leisurely hits off a one hitter.

[00:24:54] Christina: [00:24:54] no. So that seems like that is definitely going to be like an allergy of some sort, if it was that quick.

[00:25:00] [00:24:59] Brett: [00:24:59] Fucking stupid system. I, I hate my system. I’m allergic to all drugs. Like, uh, that’s like, that’s how they describe, uh, addictive personalities. Like I have very strong reactions to any, any mind altering mood altering drug, uh, affects me more strongly than other people. Uh, and I have to assume that like this THC reaction is just like what everyone else gets from weed, but just to an extreme, like, to an unbearable, extreme heroin and cocaine, like, like since like, since I’ve been treated for ADHD, I have not done any drugs.

[00:25:41] I, I drank for a while. Uh, you know, like alcohol and stimulants, whatever. But, uh, back then, like heroin and cocaine was an amazing mixture. I love that. So that’s actually, how I got into heroin was I was looking for a way to enhance my [00:26:00] cocaine addiction. And then, and then heroin became my main squeeze for awhile for a few years.

[00:26:07] Christina: [00:26:07] uh, that’s kind of horrifying. Don’t don’t do that kids.

[00:26:11] Brett: [00:26:11] Oh yeah. No, I don’t recommend it to anyone. It’s a great way to die. If you’re looking to die, mix up, mix up a speed ball.

[00:26:18] Christina: [00:26:18] Yeah. I was going to say it isn’t a thing now that kills people. Like don’t like it doesn’t shit. Get laced with fentanyl.

[00:26:24] Brett: [00:26:24] God. Yeah. You can’t buy pure heroin anymore. Like, everything is cut with some amount of fentanyl.

[00:26:31] Christina: [00:26:31] Yeah. And then that’s basically what, like, like that’s how Demi Lovato, like that’s how they almost died.

[00:26:36] Brett: [00:26:36] When I was, I was in, uh, Toronto for, uh, I don’t even remember why, but it was during my heroin addiction and all that. These reports started coming in in Toronto of just mass overdoses. Like people were dying left and right. And it was the first time that I had [00:27:00] seen fentanyl hit the streets. This would have been like 2000, maybe

[00:27:05] Christina: [00:27:05] Yeah.

[00:27:06] Brett: [00:27:06] 2001.

[00:27:07] And like, it had it, I had just never seen this happen before. And all of a sudden this what, at the time they were just calling it like too pure. They didn’t realize that it was being cut with something that was 10 times stronger than heroin. Um, yeah, that got that. That was right before I got completely clean, but it’s a different game now for sure.

[00:27:31] Christina: [00:27:31] yeah.

[00:27:31] no. And I think the problem is, I mean, this is how, like a number of people have like wound up dying because they don’t know. And, and then it, you know, like they don’t know what the concentration is or other stuff. And then like, I think, I think it’s happening with people’s like ecstasy pills and stuff too, which can be really scary.

[00:27:47] So.

[00:27:47] Brett: [00:27:47] if you’re used to, if you’re used to banging a 20, like, you know how much you can do and you know how much you can safely do and, and what will get you to where you want to be, [00:28:00] you assume that’s going to keep going. And when all of a sudden the same amount is fatal, that’s just not fair. Like if you’re going to cut it with something that’s strong, like cut it with some baby powder to give people a chance.

[00:28:15]Christina: [00:28:15] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:28:18] Brett: [00:28:18] I think I’ve, I think I’ve done. I think I’ve done a fair amount of baby powder in my life. That’s got to be bad for you. Isn’t talcum powder full of like, as best this or

[00:28:27] Christina: [00:28:27] Yeah. I was going to say, I’m pretty sure that like, there are, that it’s like very bad to, to inhale baby power powder. Yeah.

[00:28:35] Brett: [00:28:35] Oh, I I’m talking about injecting,

[00:28:37] Christina: [00:28:37] Well,

[00:28:38] Brett: [00:28:38] which I assume isn’t a lot better.

[00:28:41] Christina: [00:28:41] I mean, I, it’s probably worse. It’s probably equally bad. I don’t know. It’s not good regardless, right? Yeah. I think there’s like led or like asbestos or something in that.

[00:28:49] Yeah. It’s like toxic on some level. You’re definitely not supposed to, to ingest it somehow anyway.

[00:28:55] Brett: [00:28:55] So we’ve hit JIRA and we’ve hit heroine. Uh, neither of which were on our [00:29:00] list. How are we doing? Does this episode feel like it’s really coming together?

[00:29:04] Christina: [00:29:04] it honestly does feel like it’s really coming together. I really liked the, the, the drug, um, um, like, uh,

[00:29:10] Brett: [00:29:10] Tangent,

[00:29:11] Christina: [00:29:11] yes, I was, I was looking, I was thinking of a different word than sort of the D but, uh, uh, tangent, uh, digression. I’m not even sure, but, but a tangent is equally good. So yes, I enjoy the drug tangent.

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[00:31:17] What is the beeper I am service. And how does that relate to you?

[00:31:21] Christina: [00:31:21] Well, I was supposed to do an onboarding with it today and I just had, I just. So I put it off for, for, um, two weeks until I could get another thing. So beeper is this cross platform. It’s basically, it’s a beeper.com. Um, you?

[00:31:36] ha it’s on a waitlist right now. And then I paid to own my own username. And I also paid to basically like, get like to the front of the line so that I could, um, you know, like get access to it earlier.

[00:31:49] But it basically, it is a, like, it’s in a lot of ways. It is basically just like a, like, but for the next generation,

[00:31:58] Brett: [00:31:58] Wow. I haven’t used [00:32:00] you say ADM. I say Adam, is that it? Can I say Adam?

[00:32:03] Christina: [00:32:03] you can say, Adam, I say ADM, but you can say Adam, um, any of those things, it’s basically kind of like, I think it’s, it’s built on matrix, but the whole idea would be that it has all of your different chat services in one interface. So instead of having to have a jillion different apps, you can have them all federated.

[00:32:18] So you could have slack, you could have WhatsApp, you could have, you know, iMessage, you could have

[00:32:22] Brett: [00:32:22] I’ve seen this before or like I saw a preview. Yeah. I did not sign up for that beta, but, um, there was another one that was an all in one chat thing. It was like, you can install it through brew cask. I CA I didn’t like it. It didn’t it. I prefer, I ended up preferring just having multiple apps going. It was easier.

[00:32:47] Christina: [00:32:47] Yeah. So this is, this is like a new, um, thing and I’m, I’m, uh, I P like I said, I paid for it. Um, and I know the guy who he’s kind of like, uh, he’s the co-founder, [00:33:00] um, Eric, uh, uh, make a Kowski he, the pebble smartwatch, if you remember that.

[00:33:08] Brett: [00:33:08] Yeah.

[00:33:09] Christina: [00:33:09] Yes, he’s a great guy. And, and this was kind of like his side project, and now he’s kind of doing it.

[00:33:13] And So I’m, I’m super excited to try it out, but I they’re doing like personal onboarding and mine was scheduled like 8:00 AM today. And I just was like, I don’t want to do it, so I’m not. Um, but I, uh, I’ll do it in two weeks, but I’m excited about it because it’s going to be a pretty cool service. I think so

[00:33:37] Brett: [00:33:37] So you put a link in, in our, our Quip and I did not have Firefox running. And for some reason, every time I clicked it, it opened. I turn

[00:33:47]Christina: [00:33:47] weird.

[00:33:49] Brett: [00:33:49] Yeah. It’s probably something to do with choosy. Choosy must be like Noah nothing’s running. So, oh, because it’s looking for the best just running and I have I [00:34:00] term as a possible

[00:34:01] Christina: [00:34:01] that have as possible option. Yep.

[00:34:03] Brett: [00:34:03] Yup. Okay. Did I tell you about, I’m sorry, I’m changing the subject mildly. Um, did I tell you about the, uh, experience I had with my zoom redirects?

[00:34:14] Christina: [00:34:14] No.

[00:34:15] Brett: [00:34:15] I, I had, uh, choosy watching for zoom links and instead of opening them first in the browser, and then in zoom, I was just having them, them straight to zoom.

[00:34:27] So I didn’t have any open browser tabs. Except when I started working at Oracle, they use SSO to sign into zoom.

[00:34:37] Christina: [00:34:37] Right. So

[00:34:38] that doesn’t work anymore because it has to, you have to go through the browser

[00:34:41] Brett: [00:34:41] right. And I, I could not figure out why my zoom room meetings, like I couldn’t get into my Oracle zoom meetings and I ended

[00:34:51] Christina: [00:34:51] going on? And you’re like, oh, because I’m suppressing this login,

[00:34:54] Brett: [00:34:54] well. Yeah. I realized that while tech support was screen-sharing and controlling my machine, I’m like,