234: Everybody Gets A Little Pwned Sometimes

Christina

Christina: [00:00:00] [00:00:00]You are listening to over tired. I’m Christina Warren. He’s Brett Terpstra, Brett, how are you?

[00:00:11] Brett: [00:00:11] I am so like right before we started this podcast, like this exact recording, I was buried in like building a whole new website for a bunch from scratch. And as an ADHD person who gets hyper-focused, it’s really hard for me to let go yeah. To switch tracks. So I’m working on that right now.

[00:00:37] Christina: [00:00:37] Okay. All right. I appreciate that. And, and, and, um, and we’ll, we’ll, we’ll talk about some of your code stuff a little bit later, unless, um, I mean, we could skip breaths, um, mental health corner and go straight to Brett’s coding corner, if that would help you transition. But I don’t know.

[00:00:53] Brett: [00:00:53] We’ll make that, uh, we’ll, we’ll see where we’re at at the 45 minute Mark. And if we want to dig into. [00:01:00] Like the inner workings of Brett’s code brain at that point. That’s fine. But for right now, we’ll stick with our kind of the usual topics.

[00:01:07] Christina: [00:01:07] Yeah, that sounds good. So mental health corner update.

[00:01:12] Brett: [00:01:12] Yeah. How are you?

[00:01:13]Christina: [00:01:13] I’m okay. I’ve been, I don’t know this, the whole, this whole thing is just getting to me. It’s been kind of a shitty week to be honest, but but I’m okay. I did volunteer yesterday again, Adam, the, uh, place

[00:01:26] Brett: [00:01:26] a nation clinic.

[00:01:27] Christina: [00:01:27] Yeah. And that was, that was really cool.

[00:01:29]We gave 8,000 doses and I made the mistake of signing up for an afternoon shift and ended up having to stay about an hour and a half after. Should have been there because the line for people to get in, and some people were waiting in line for two hours outside to get inside. And traffic apparently was really bad getting down to the stadium because there was also a Mariners game happening.

[00:01:53] So the Mariners are the Seattle baseball team and where the VAX clinic is happening is it’s taking place at the [00:02:00] larger lumen field, which is the, where the Seahawks, the football team play. And so it’s not actually, like it’s an outdoor stadium, so they’re not doing the vaccinations outside, but there’s like a theater kind of area that’s attached to the stadium.

[00:02:12] That’s big. And like they have, college graduations and stuff like that there. And so that is where people are. Having the, that the spreader doing the vaccination stuff. And but they’re right across the street from one another. So like the football stadium and the baseball stadium are literally across the street from one another.

[00:02:29] So when you have, were, they got 8,000 doses that they were giving out throughout the day. So you had that many people coming in and then the baseball game. And then I don’t know if there was some sort of other holdup, but traffic was apparently really, really bad. So things were sort of backed up and then the line to get in, it was like some people, like the very last people that we were helping, it was like, people were, had been in line for two hours, which is crazy, but also,

[00:02:57] Brett: [00:02:57] bad as voting.

[00:02:58]Christina: [00:02:58] Yeah, but [00:03:00] honestly, I don’t want to say more important, but I’m going to say more important.

[00:03:04]Brett: [00:03:04] Yeah, I guess you could argue that either way,

[00:03:08] Christina: [00:03:08] either way. I think you could go that way. I think that the reason I will say more important is because it’s 16 and up and you have to be 18 to vote. And, and also there’s not a residency requirement, you know what I mean? Like vaccination is for everybody. I don’t know. Um, but, but I could see, I would be open to the other argument as well.

[00:03:29] I’m not like committed to it so yeah, that was cool. It was, it was nice. I was just doing data entry stuff. So I would sit with, you know, the person who’s giving this shot and enter in all the information. And that was nice, to be able to kind of help. It was nice to see so many people out there because I’ve been worried.

[00:03:45] You know, we talked before about. Like you were able to get your appointment relatively quickly, which was great. But some people in some places have been having an easier time getting appointments. Not because the supply is better, but because people are like [00:04:00] not wanting to get vaccinated, which is concerning.

[00:04:03]So it’s good, to have that much of a line for that many doses. Um, how, uh, how, how are things with you? Like mental health wise? Have you been like any like manic or depressive spirals?

[00:04:15] Brett: [00:04:15] like just stable that two and a half milligrams, which in my dosage was I, my doctor was right. I kind of scoffed at the idea that two and a half milligrams of anything could really matter, but she, she nailed it.

[00:04:31] Christina: [00:04:31] Hell. Yeah, that’s awesome. That’s really, really good. Any, uh, anything on the job update?

[00:04:36] Brett: [00:04:36] No, I just checked in with them today. It’s still going through like all of the internal processing and I’ll admit I’m a little nervous. I live in an independent world where things are a little more agile and uh, yeah, if something takes a couple of weeks, I start to think something’s going on.

[00:04:55] Christina: [00:04:55] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, living in like kind of a corporate world, I know how slow stuff can be, but I [00:05:00] also, that doesn’t change. It doesn’t make it any better. Like I’m not somehow more comfortable at like, I somehow don’t feel like, Oh, this is great. You know, like, or everything’s okay. Because of, um, how long somebody could take, you know what I mean?

[00:05:14]Brett: [00:05:14] Did you know, object impermanence is uh, listed as both for autism and ADHD, a symptom. This is the, okay. So the reason I went down this sudden tangent is the idea like when you’re traveling, do you have to like repeatedly check to make sure the tickets in your bag or open your phone and make sure you have it, like in the wallet? No, I do once I’ve checked once or twice, I can convince myself, I don’t need to check anymore, but, uh, but I was talking with Al and we have that kind of in common, the nagging once you can’t see something, the need to find it and make sure it’s actually there, which also ties into how I [00:06:00] lose shit all the time.

[00:06:01] Christina: [00:06:01] Totally. Yeah. I mean, I don’t know. I don’t really have that. Although there are, but I know plenty of people who it’s interesting. I feel like that I can see that being a symptom of both. For, for both of those, like ADHD, autism, but also OCD and stuff. But I know people who I would consider very neuro-typical who have that too.

[00:06:21] Um, I don’t know. I don’t, I don’t have that. Um, it is one of those things. Like I make sure that I check before I leave, but I, but I lose shit all the time. Like sunglasses and me are I’m famous for losing sunglasses and I’m not talking about cheap sunglasses. Like I’m talking about like expensive, like Ray-Bans, and then I’m very mad at myself.

[00:06:41] I had like a really, really good streak with a pair of Ray-Bans where I had them for like three years. No, not three years, like two and a half years, almost three years. And then I lost them. And after that, like I was going [00:07:00] through significant numbers of pears. I’ve most recently lost my Apple watch and I don’t know where it is.

[00:07:05] Yeah. And, and it’s somewhere in my house. I don’t know. I remember doing something with the band and I thought that I put it on its charger and I didn’t, and I couldn’t find it yesterday. And this is because I don’t wear my watch every day now. And I have another one. And if I need to, you know, if I can’t find it or whatever, but it’s, it’s still like that one’s frustrating to me.

[00:07:24] So I don’t have probably, but it’s, it’s been so long since I realized I lost it, that

[00:07:31] Brett: [00:07:31] have a charge to

[00:07:32] Christina: [00:07:32] it doesn’t have a charge. Exactly. So, so it’d be worthless. Um, this is the problem, but yeah, I don’t have that object in permanence thing. Although I probably should ingratiate that in myself for things like sunglasses and like earphones, I don’t know that I should have it, but I don’t like, usually.

[00:07:49] Like my passport and stuff like that. Like I know that that’s in my person. The thing that I have sometimes is that somebody will hand me like a piece of paper and I’ll know it’s important and I’ll put it away and then I’ll [00:08:00] suddenly not be able to find it. And usually it’s okay. But there are times where I’m like, what did I just do with that?

[00:08:07] Brett: [00:08:07] I don’t lose stuff that I use frequently. Like I, I have tiles on my keys and in my wallet, I’ve never had to ring them. Like I always know. Where my sunglasses, my keys, my wallet, stuff that I use more than once a week. I always know exactly where I left it. Anything beyond that, like trying to find my, my taxes, like all the forms from independent contractor stuff, they came in, I put them somewhere.

[00:08:37] I thought these were important. I’ll put them somewhere. I’ll remember. I don’t know. I had to ask for more. Right. I had to ask people to like resend them because they’re around here somewhere, but.

[00:08:48] Christina: [00:08:48] Yeah. I mean, I, I’m kind of the opposite in, in, in, in a weird way. Like it’s the stuff that I use frequently that I will have to figure out where it is. And then it’s the other stuff that I will usually, if I’m putting it in a safe place, [00:09:00] like I’m committing it to memory. Although there are some things where I’m like, I know where it was, but I don’t mind not know where that thing is.

[00:09:06] Right. Like there there’s like a folio that I have that has my social security card, my birth certificate and, and, um, things like that. But I don’t know where that is at the moment. Um, for tax stuff, I try to just have everybody give it to me digitally

[00:09:21]Brett: [00:09:21] Before I pull off a perfect segue. Do you want to, you want to hear a three-year-old review of this podcast,

[00:09:28] Christina: [00:09:28] Yes, I do.

[00:09:28] Brett: [00:09:28] a dramatization. This is from Zuora early and, and I, I, I don’t, I read our reviews so infrequently that this went three years before I noticed it, but it’s wheelie says it’s not that there’s anything quote, unquote, wrong with this podcast.

[00:09:46] Think the couple sounds like nice people they’re unbelievably boring to listen to over tired really is the perfect title because it’s like they haven’t slept in or in a dream half-awake state just rambling on about nothing in particular. I [00:10:00] want to give it one star because I got absolutely nothing of value out of this podcast.

[00:10:04] Nothing even vaguely entertaining, but I give them two stars for at least trying. I mean, people who try are worth and then it just ends.

[00:10:13]Christina: [00:10:13] wow. Oh my God. I feel so seen.

[00:10:17] Brett: [00:10:17] Yeah. So like everyone listening, I don’t care if it’s a one-star review, just write something intriguing. Cause honestly it’s, it’s entertaining.

[00:10:29]Christina: [00:10:29] That was such a good roast.

[00:10:32] Brett: [00:10:32] Yeah. I mean, I, I’m not going to argue.

[00:10:35] Christina: [00:10:35] No, I’m not even,

[00:10:36] Brett: [00:10:36] We’re tired.

[00:10:37] Christina: [00:10:37] I’m not even remotely mad. Like that was really good.

[00:10:40]Brett: [00:10:40] Yeah. I didn’t take it personally. And I wasn’t sure if it was because it was so old, I didn’t care anymore. Or if just honestly, You know, it’s okay. It’s okay. You can hate something. I mean, honestly, to me, if you dislike something that much, you just don’t listen to it again, you don’t go leave a shitty review, but [00:11:00] you know,

[00:11:00] Christina: [00:11:00] mean,

[00:11:00] Brett: [00:11:00] a place for that.

[00:11:01] Christina: [00:11:01] I don’t know. Like I would be, I think the reason I’m not mad at that and like, it genuinely doesn’t bother me. It kind of tickles me is because like, There’s some truth in that, like, that’s not a bad review. Like I’m, I’m fairly self-aware and I’m like, yeah, that doesn’t really hurt me too much because there’s some truth in that the ones that would get that get me are the ones that are either trying really hard to be mean.

[00:11:25] And that one really wasn’t like, you know, there are ones that can be really mean about talking about what your voice sounds like or what your face is or this or that. You know what I mean? Like that’s the

[00:11:36] Brett: [00:11:36] that make it super personal. Yeah.

[00:11:38] Christina: [00:11:38] yeah. But like, there was nothing personal in that and it wasn’t, um, bad. Like I’m, I’m not, I’m not mad at it.

[00:11:46] Like I feel sufficiently called out and I’m like, yeah, you know what? We’re not for everybody. And that’s okay. There are, there are people who continue to listen to us week after week, and we appreciate you and who don’t feel that way, but [00:12:00] I’m not going to argue with people who do find that you do have that opinion, like Marshall and thank you for listening and writing a review, honestly.

[00:12:08] Brett: [00:12:08] We, uh, we have that’s the most recent review we have. No one has, no one has reviewed this show since we like took a year off and came back.

[00:12:16] Christina: [00:12:16] okay. So that is the one that is the one thing before we go into our, what would have been a perfect segue, uh, ads break thing, um, that I will call out as a request for our listeners, please leave a review. It doesn’t have to be five star Wars. It doesn’t have to be one-star. Although those are our two favorites, it can be two, it can be three, it can be four, whatever, but please leave a review.

[00:12:37] And as long as it doesn’t get super personal, where, you know, you’re kind of like, ouch, that hurts my feelings. And even if you want to do that, I’m going to be honest. I will take it, but like, let’s get a review that’s more recent than three years. Cause that’s all I would really like, just so people know, Hey, this is still going and there are solicitors.

[00:12:55] We promise. Sorry. I was just really hot on the mic there. Um, I felt that, [00:13:00] sorry. Um, but you know, there, there are still listeners, please, please let us, uh, Let people know.

[00:13:08] Brett: [00:13:08] I know for a fact, we have listeners, our sponsors tell us that we have pretty strong ad sales, so there must be people listening and we must be selling the shit out of some stuff.

[00:13:20]Christina: [00:13:20] Yeah. Which is great. So we appreciate you.

[00:13:23] Brett: [00:13:23] We’re just pros at this. Um, on my last episode of systematic, I had Aaron Mankey, uh, of lower on and like, his story is crazy because like he, he was publishing his first episode of Laura kind of as like a newsletter thing. Hey, here’s a free story. If you subscribe to my newsletter. I’ll give you five more and it just immediately started gaining traction.

[00:13:50] And now he has millions of listeners and he can do, can you do ad sales for a whole year in one week? And it, yeah, crazy success story. [00:14:00] I I’m really, really impressed and proud of Aaron. Cause I knew him back when he was just like a, a freelancer designer, just kind of like throwing things against the wall to see what stuck.

[00:14:13] He never expected podcasts and could be the thing anyway. So the segue I had in mind was, uh, Apple find my, uh, in reference to your watch, the, see, like, if I had done this right then would have been just, Hmm. But, uh, Apple just released an update to find my, which is a weird name. Uh, I get, I get why it doesn’t have an article, but, um, like find my, that allows third parties to start, um, making their products find-able uh, so you could go into find my, instead of just your Apple devices, you could have, I can’t remember who the first people signing on were, um, Let me look that up real quick while we’re talking, but yeah, it’s [00:15:00] kinda, it’s kinda cool because I’m used to like buying tiles and, uh, things like, things like that that will ring and find my random, uh, random things, but I can’t afford to put a title on everything.

[00:15:14] So if everything just came with fine, my built-in.

[00:15:17]Christina: [00:15:17] Yeah, no, I would love that. Um, but yeah, it’s interesting. Cause they’re clearly releasing this because they’re going to be coming out with air tags. And which is that’s the rumored name? Um, I, I’m not sure what it’s actually going to be called, but they’re going to become out with their tile compete. And, uh, presumably this will be so that you can attach it to those things or to your point, they might be licensing it to other companies.

[00:15:42] You’re able to build it into their products, which would be even better.

[00:15:44] Brett: [00:15:44] The first, the first people, the first companies that are making use of this are then move with their S3. And x-ray e-bikes Belkin sound, form freedom, true wireless earbuds. And [00:16:00] Chipolo one spot item finder. I don’t know what trip polo one has, but e-bikes and earbuds. That makes sense. Are you a camper? Put a tag on your earbuds, so that’s super cool.

[00:16:12]Christina: [00:16:12] Yeah. I mean, I think that this is the sort of thing where if you’re able to, you know, build in. Whatever it is that they’ve built into find my, you know, within, within I’m presuming it’s it’s within like the radio stack. Um, and, uh, and had that show up in the app. Like, that’s really awesome. Obviously, they’re going to be some physical items that you can’t do that with, or that in theory, you shouldn’t do that with, you know, like, um, an umbrella or a, those are things I also lose all the time, umbrellas or sunglasses or

[00:16:40] Brett: [00:16:40] I don’t even own an umbrella.

[00:16:43] Christina: [00:16:43] Well,

[00:16:44] Brett: [00:16:44] I don’t have hair to worry about. I just go out in the rain

[00:16:48] Christina: [00:16:48] Yeah. I mean, umbrellas, aren’t super common in Seattle, even though it rains, you’re a lot, the, the locals tend to look down on umbrella caring folks, but sometimes like, if it’s really coming down, like you need it, uh, in New [00:17:00] York.

[00:17:00] Brett: [00:17:00] clear light head wrap things that old ladies wear to protect their perms.

[00:17:05] Christina: [00:17:05] Yeah. The issue with that is like, again, like if it’s coming down really hard, like that’s not gonna work. Um, that’s less of an issue here too. I mean, people drive more, but like New York city, for instance, like. You need an umbrella. Like there’s no way that you can survive in New York city without an umbrella because no one drives.

[00:17:24] So if you’re like, you can wait for maybe the brain to let up some, but sometimes it’s just going to be coming down out there. Also the snow, like is at times bad enough that like, you know, you, you need an umbrella for the snow. So it’s less of an issue in Seattle. Um, and, and whatnot. But, um, yeah. Uh, but like I did actually have a smart umbrella that some company had sent me that had an app that would let you like track, you know, where it was, but it added an enormous amount of money to the umbrella itself.

[00:17:56] And then I still lost the umbrella. So [00:18:00] the whole thing was, was a fail, but I am happy that more companies are doing this and that hopefully I will be able to have a better sense of where stuff is. I would like. This would be a nice feature for fine. Might’ve have, if my battery is under like 20% and my device hasn’t been charged, I would like to get an alert so that I can locate the device and charge it.

[00:18:26] Like that would be useful for my phone. Like if, because they can tell if your phone’s on your restaurant, like they know that my phone, but if my, um, not my phone, like my watch, they know if your washer’s on your restaurant, they know that if my watch is on my wrist is not in my wrist and the battery is under 20% alert me because maybe at someplace, like not on my charger and I can find out where it was.

[00:18:48] I don’t know.

[00:18:49]Brett: [00:18:49] No it’s bugging me right now.

[00:18:51] Christina: [00:18:51] What’s that?

[00:18:52] Brett: [00:18:52] I said that fine. My doesn’t have an article. That’s entirely grammatically incorrect. I should’ve said like direct [00:19:00] object or subject.

[00:19:02] Christina: [00:19:02] Right. I was going to say, cause it has the article.

[00:19:03] Brett: [00:19:03] Yeah, I, I, I’m just, I’m sitting here shaking my head thinking I should edit that, but you know what,

[00:19:10] Christina: [00:19:10] Well, you’ve just edited it.

[00:19:11] Brett: [00:19:11] I want to give people fodder for their two star reviews.

[00:19:15] Christina: [00:19:15] But also you just corrected it. So it’s fine.

[00:19:18] Brett: [00:19:18] I’d like to issue a public correction. My mom was an English teacher I should know better. Uh, so I do, I don’t have a perfect segue, but I feel like we’re at a good point to do an ad read.

[00:19:32] Christina: [00:19:32] I agree.

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[00:19:41] Christina: [00:19:41] I’m very jealous.

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[00:21:57] Christina: [00:21:57] That’s awesome. And I’m very jealous and I’m glad that you don’t [00:22:00] have to have it. A gel cover on your mattress anymore. Cause those are annoying to be

[00:22:04] Brett: [00:22:04] They really are. They really are. Yeah, no, it stays so cool. It’s so nice. And I got a down at etcetera pillow. Have you ever had a down cetera pillow? Have you ever stayed at the Zetta in San Francisco? I stayed there. This was almost a decade ago, but it was a new hotel at the time. They just built it and the pillows amazed me.

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[00:22:48] I just fucking love their pillows. If you want to spend $150 on a pillow, that’s the place to go.

[00:22:54] Christina: [00:22:54] Okay. That is, that is a big investment on a pillow. However, if it lasts a long time, [00:23:00] then like it’s probably worth.

[00:23:03] Brett: [00:23:03] Well, so their feather pillows and feather pillows will after, you know, a few years they’ll get flat and that will still happen. But the more like you can get different mixes of down and goose feather. So the more down you have the longer, it tends to stay fluffy, which is weird. Cause you would think that would compress more, but it’s not the case.

[00:23:26] So I try to get at least a 50, 50 down and feather mix, even though that costs, you know, more down is expensive. So there was this thing, uh, where Trump and this should be a surprise to nobody, but he scammed his own supporters. By tricking them into turning their one-time donations into repeating donations and not repeating monthly.

[00:23:55] Like at one point closer to the election, they actually defaulted to weekly [00:24:00] recurring.

[00:24:00] Christina: [00:24:00] God, this is such a nightmare. And, and all, and obviously not obviously, um, and actually also in many cases, a violation of sec rules, because individuals are only allowed to give, uh, $2,000 to a political campaign.

[00:24:17] Brett: [00:24:17] he topped that multiple times.

[00:24:19] Christina: [00:24:19] Right? Well, that’s the thing. I think that’s, that’s how people found out because they were having to get refunded.

[00:24:23] Um, so there are people like, but if your donation was something like, say $25, it could have been months or weeks or whatever, you know, before they figured that out and turn off the recurring and you might not get your money back. Right. Because if it’s, if it’s $25, even if it’s going weekly, you’re, you’re going to be talking about what does that, um, uh, 40 weeks before you be at two grand.

[00:24:48] Brett: [00:24:48] Yeah, I don’t do math, but

[00:24:50] Christina: [00:24:50] Um, so yeah, so like

[00:24:54]Brett: [00:24:54] Do you want to know how much they had to refund

[00:24:58] Christina: [00:24:58] uh, how, how much did [00:25:00] they have to refund? Yeah,

[00:25:01]Brett: [00:25:01] million,

[00:25:03]Christina: [00:25:03] it was 80 weeks. It would be 80 weeks if you gave $25 a week. Sorry. So be over a year.

[00:25:08] Brett: [00:25:08] they basically took out $122 million loan interest for you, even though they paid it back. It’s still without interest.

[00:25:16] Christina: [00:25:16] without interest, well, not only that, but, and again, this is my point. Like I th I think the number could be higher because. The way I read it and maybe I’m wrong on this, but the way that I read this, the reasons that they were doing the refunding would be when you go over the $2,000 limit and then you need to refund the money.

[00:25:37] Right. But again, like if your donation was $25 and it’s going to be 80 weeks until you meet that threshold, I don’t know if that’s an, I don’t, I don’t know if that’s part of the refund or not. Like, I don’t know if they proactively went and every single person that signed up for a recurring donation, they turned off.

[00:25:54] Cause there could be some people that did genuinely want to give on a recurring basis. Right. [00:26:00] So so, so it could be way more than $122 million. So they got tax-free or interest free.

[00:26:08] Brett: [00:26:08] To me is, so you make this, you make this donation, you know, you say, I want to give $25 and then underneath it before you click, okay, there’s a box that in big letters says, and I’m reading directly from screenshots here. We need your help to draft Trump for president. Check this box. If you want Trump to run again, uncheck this box.

[00:26:29] If you do not stand with Trump and then in small print underneath it, it says, make this a monthly recurring donation. So they, it clearly says next to the check box to uncheck it. If you do not stand with Trump, but the check box is actually the one that makes it a monthly recurring donation.

[00:26:49] Christina: [00:26:49] Wow. How that not fraud.

[00:26:52] Brett: [00:26:52] Right. W then it gets scarier. The one they sent out after that says Trump Patriot status missing as a [00:27:00] top grassroots supporter, we were surprised to see you abandoned him. This is your last chance to update your status to active. And that one, if you don’t, if you uncheck it, if you okay, if you leave it checked, it doubles your donation, whatever, whatever amount you put in, it’ll double it.

[00:27:19] And then here’s the last one. The one that kills me, we need to know you. We haven’t lost you to the radical left. If you uncheck this box, we will have to tell Trump you’re a defector and sided with the Dems check this box, and we can win back the house and get Trump to run in 2024 small print, make this a monthly recurring donation.

[00:27:41] They’re going to report you to Trump as a defector. If you don’t make it a monthly recurring donation.

[00:27:48] Christina: [00:27:48] I mean, and, and, and some of this other stuff too, like they had, you know, um, would you like to join Trump on a social news media site? Yes. I stand with Trump. No, I prefer fake news. Like this is, [00:28:00] this is really terrible.

[00:28:01] Brett: [00:28:01] The, like a pit of me of dark patterns, like when, like, this is what I think like a lot of the language in the GDPR in Europe, uh, was kind of designed to, uh, avoid exactly this kind of thing.

[00:28:19] Christina: [00:28:19] No 100%. I mean, this, this is the absolute, like darkest of dark patterns. And really, and like the thing is, is that I encourage everybody. Who’s listening to the podcast. If you want to know more about this to visit the show notes, because the link that it Brett’s talking about, like, you really need to see these screenshots because it’s not just that they.

[00:28:37] You know, say these things, but it’s not just a dark pattern in terms of the boxes, but these are yellow background with, you know, black text. And the way that the, the monthly donation thing is there is difficult to read by design, but it’s, it’s the yellow background thing, you know, that really kind of takes this to another level.

[00:28:58] Like this is just, this is dirty. [00:29:00] Like there’s no other word for it. Like this is just dirty. This is just disgusting. And I would say that to be very clear, if any democratic candidate were doing this, I would say the exact same thing. People who do this are predatory and bad, and I don’t care what party they’re representing or what candidate they’re representing.

[00:29:17] Like this is gross and disgusting. And any group that does, this is bad and should feel bad. And, and I feel like stuff like this should be violating FEC laws like this. This feels to me like a very blatant FEC violation.

[00:29:31] Brett: [00:29:31] I hate it when even, even when companies, I like do things like make a subscribing to the newsletter, opt out instead of opt in, like, there’s, there’s just no reason for that.

[00:29:44] Christina: [00:29:44] There’s not an answer. What it does is that if you’re more savvy, which you know, more people are becoming, but it’s also difficult to be savvy. Like you have to read every single thing when you sign up, which takes more time. Right. So I’m just now at this [00:30:00] point, I expect companies that I like to sign up for the newsletter.

[00:30:04] So I have to look and see, how can I get unsubscribed? The worst thing though, is there are plenty of places where I buy something from them once I didn’t opt in to get mail, but I will continue to get it. And then I have to go through the unsubscribe process. And usually that is not a problem at this point, you know, it used to be kind of like kind of Laura, where there’s like, Oh, if you want subscribe, you just tell them that your email is still active.

[00:30:28] I’m sure that there are still places that do that at least most. Um, the one good thing I would say about like, um, online shopping has become consolidated in large part by a couple of very large shopping site vendors. So like Shopify is, is the biggest. And then, you know, you have like, uh, like, like Lu commerce, which, you know, is kind of a self hosted solution.

[00:30:49] Although they’re, they’re hosted versions as well. And, and like Magento and some others. The one advantage of that is that typically things like the emails and whatnot [00:31:00] are all handled through that platform, which means that if you unsubscribe, you can pretty much count on it to actually unsubscribe you.

[00:31:07] It’s not, uh, you know, there are going to be some people who rolled their own shopping cart from end to end, but most places know better because that’s a gigantic pain. So, um, and so most of those third-party services have to comply with the law around email stuff, but it doesn’t make it any easier. It’s like every time you buy something, your emails is going to become inundated with stuff.

[00:31:32] The thing I learned the hard way, and this is on a demo, this is on the democratic side, but, you know, I donated to some campaigns and I used my normal like email address. And they have sold that over and over and over again and given it to countless candidates and countless people. And I can’t get rid of all of it.

[00:31:56] And I’m like, I don’t want these messages because they’re all [00:32:00] fundraising messages. And I’m like, I, I gave my money to who I wanted to give it to. I don’t want my entire mailbox full of, you know, um, DNC, um, like stuff and, and things from, even from progressive candidates, like, sorry, I don’t want that. Like, I, I gave this candidate money.

[00:32:17] I didn’t give you money. And I didn’t give you permission to sell this to everyone else, but that’s exactly what they do. They sell it all. I mean, and I realized that my name is public and things like that, but like, this is a very clear thing where they share lists that they share donation. Listen, um, I wish I had known that earlier because if I had, then I would have used, like, I would have created a mailbox specifically for donations, um, that I would never have to look at it again.

[00:32:43] Brett: [00:32:43] I get, so I use sandbox and SaneBox has this thing called the black hole where you just move messages into the black hole folder and any future messages from that center. Don’t never make it to your, even to your spam folder, they’re just [00:33:00] gone. So I have black hole, like multiple DFL domains for this exact reason.

[00:33:05] The weird thing is at some point I must’ve made a donation with my ex-wife’s name because the emails that do still get through are always addressed in like all capital letters, a D D we need your help. And it’s it’s, I hate their entire, like, uh, it’s always an emergency thing. Like, it’s always, this is the last chance.

[00:33:31] It feels like a hard sales tactics and it feels wrong. It feels dirty, but the DFL too,

[00:33:40] Christina: [00:33:40] No totally. I mean, again, this is, uh, this is just so gross and, and I’m, I’m very happy to dunk on the Trump campaign for this, but I want to be like clear just because I would not be surprised if this came out about certain democratic candidates as well. Like, I would not be surprised if they were also, I mean, I feel like this is really blatant and this is really like peak [00:34:00] Trump tourism thing to do that.

[00:34:01] Yes,

[00:34:02] Brett: [00:34:02] you as a defector thing. I don’t even think most GOP candidates would stoop that low.

[00:34:08] Christina: [00:34:08] no. Agreed. And I mean, and like, let’s also be clear. They’re not reporting shit. Like they’re not doing anything like th this

[00:34:13] Brett: [00:34:13] Trump doesn’t give a shit. If you defend.

[00:34:15] Christina: [00:34:15] course he doesn’t like, like, you know, th th th this is fear-mongering scamming stuff. Um, one of the, the news reports that I read something from it might’ve been the Washington post.

[00:34:24] I can’t remember now. But they were talking about, you know, people who like there was a guy who was in hospice and gave $500, which he lived on $2,000 a month or under $2,000 a month. And, um, or maybe under a thousand dollars a month, I can’t remember now, but, but, you know, he gave to him was a whole lot of money he’s on hospice.

[00:34:47] Uh, which means that like, things are not going super well because he felt so compelled to donate to Donald Trump. And then his account was overdrawn and he, you know, had to feel, he had to find out that they were withdrawing this [00:35:00] amount of money from him on a weekly basis. And he felt, you know, violated and felt like he’d been stolen from, and he was, and so people are, were, I mean, this was a thing where it is not like a small thing that people are, are, you know, getting, um, Overdraw fees and, and things like that, which add up because every time another thing is trigger, that gives you another fee and puts you in the hole that much further.

[00:35:25] And it can be a real nightmare to get out of. And, and the people that this is going to hurt the most are gonna be people who are, you know, like the people you’re preying on are gonna be like your, your donors, who many of them are really committed to you, but they don’t have a lot of money. And they’re, they’re, you know, it was a sacrifice for them to give this and, and you convince them for what a reason to need to do it.

[00:35:45] It’s just, it makes me really, really angry. So fuck all these people.

[00:35:51] Brett: [00:35:51] No, it’s this downright discussing and it’s, uh, it’s very frustrating that. Sure they had to give refunds, but they’ll get away with it. Like there won’t be [00:36:00] any ramifications. Even their supporters will continue to support them after they stole from them.

[00:36:05]Christina: [00:36:05] Yes and no, I have a feeling if you went into an overdraft because of your campaign donation, I’m going to be honest. I don’t think there’s any way, no matter who the candidate is that you would ever give them money ever again.

[00:36:15] Brett: [00:36:15] I think that’s, uh, I, I, don’t maybe 50% of the time, but I think there’s a good portion of people who would still, who would be hurt