231: Did We Get Through The Taylor Part Yet

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Brett: [00:00:00] [00:00:00] Hello, you’re listening to overtired. I’m Brett Terpstra and I am here with Christina Warren. How are you, Christina?

[00:00:11] Christina: [00:00:11] I’m pretty good bread. Except right before we started recording you were, you were, you were unfairly dismissive of our podcasts, like muse, like the, there is on Detra for this podcast. You were, you were unfairly dismissive of, so other than that though, no, I’m actually pretty good. How are you?

[00:00:31] Brett: [00:00:31] Um, I, so I slept really well last night for maybe the best sleep I’ve gotten in a long time, which is surprising given how excited I was about my, my big secret news, but how are, how are you doing?

[00:00:47] Christina: [00:00:47] similarly, right. Like I had, um, Are really good sleep. Um, and it was one of those things where like, and it wasn’t one of those situations where I had to like, get super high to go to sleep. So I slept for, [00:01:00] cause that happens sometimes. Like if I take like an edible or whatever, I’m like,

[00:01:03] Brett: [00:01:03] sleep well, if you’re high.

[00:01:05] Christina: [00:01:05] Oh yeah.

[00:01:06] Brett: [00:01:06] Oh man. I never like back. I never got like a really, truly restful sleep on any, any

[00:01:13] Christina: [00:01:13] Well, okay. I’m not sure if I would call it a restful, but it is one of those things where it’s just like black and, and then I just wake up and I’m like, Oh, okay, cool. Um, no, but in this case I’m going to have some weird dreams which happens sometimes, but it was a fairly, like a consistent and long period of sleep.

[00:01:31] And I went to bed like before 10:00 PM. And so it was one of those things where I got like a lot of sleep, so yeah.

[00:01:39] Brett: [00:01:39] Yeah. So I got to tell you my big news.

[00:01:42] Christina: [00:01:42] I was going to say, please tell us your big news breads health club corner, as well as a Brett’s news corner. Cause I think these two are probably going to be related even if not directly. What’s the big news.

[00:01:52] Brett: [00:01:52] So you know that, uh, that thing with Oracle it’s happening. I’m part of a [00:02:00] developer relations team. I am my, the job title is like technical writer, but it’s like a full like multimedia they’re going to make use of all of the skills that I’ve honed ever since my days at two plus my development experience.

[00:02:15] And it is, I have never felt like a job was more tailored to me.

[00:02:22]Christina: [00:02:22] no,

[00:02:23] Brett: [00:02:23] of the industry for a decade. And in the meantime, as L put it, the industry grew a job for me.

[00:02:30] Christina: [00:02:30] no, she’s exactly right. That’s the perfect way of putting it. And it’s so funny because when you and I were talking on systematic about. My shift from journalism to developer relations and, and advocacy. And, um, our jobs are going to be solar, like not the same, but, but, but similar in some ways, and, and, uh, whatnot, I kind of felt the same way when I was talking to you, even I was thinking, I was like, God, you know, it pro wanted something like this.

[00:02:53] Like, he’d be a great developer advocate or, or a technical writer or whatever, but you’d be great in dev role. I’ve always [00:03:00] thought that, so this is so exciting. This is so awesome. And Ella is exactly right. They built a job for you. They, they th th the industry grew because you know, what I think happened is that people have seen like that the most effective way to connect in and communicate with communities.

[00:03:18]Is having people who are naturally part of those communities who have already naturally on their own been doing what you and I have done, like our whole careers, which is to, you know, blog and chat with people and do podcasts and, and create fun side projects. Like you even more than me. But like, I, cause I’ve always been really interested in telling the stories and figuring out what stuff is and highlighting stuff.

[00:03:41] But like you’ve also had that component where you’ve built so much cool stuff. Um, and that really resonates with people and it builds trust because they know that like, if you say try this, this is cool. Or this is how you can do something. Like you have credibility and then you also have like integrity.

[00:03:59] So, [00:04:00] you know, if something sucks, like you’re not gonna do a whole thing on it.

[00:04:03] Brett: [00:04:03] There’s like, uh, I’m going to have to be learning new stuff all the time.

[00:04:08] Christina: [00:04:08] Which is so good for

[00:04:09] Brett: [00:04:09] they be like here, write about how Oracle works with TensorFlow and I’ll be like, all right, let’s sit down and do some coursework real quick. Um, so yeah, I’m kind of excited about that part. I’m also like I’ve been an indie developer I’ve lost count almost 10 years, I think.

[00:04:27] And I will say that it does not provide a lot of financial stability. So just the idea of having a salary and, uh, and benefits and like a monthly paycheck like that. That’s why last night I slept, like I thought I was going to be too excited to sleep. Cause I just found this out yesterday.

[00:04:48] Um, And then I thought like, Oh geez, that I might not sleep at all, but I did. And, and I slept like, like a stress-free [00:05:00] anxiety-free sleep. It was kind of amazing.

[00:05:03] Christina: [00:05:03] No, this is so good. And, and this is where it does. And I’m going to ask you, like, uh, obviously not like not very specific questions and whatnot, but, um, this is the full-time role, right? Like this isn’t a contract role. Okay. So

[00:05:15] Brett: [00:05:15] salary position.

[00:05:17] Christina: [00:05:17] fantastic. So that does mean that like, I mean, not, I think you were on Medicaid before or whatever, so you have pretty good insurance, but like, this is going to be a potentially an even like, better level than that, because you won’t have to go through certain things.

[00:05:30] So like, I’m assuming, like it’s a big company, it’s a, you know, a multi, multi multi-billion dollar company. So, um, how do you feel to like, not be in like healthcare, like purgatory.

[00:05:46]Brett: [00:05:46] Yeah, no, the benefits package is outstanding.

[00:05:49] I have never felt more, um, happy with, uh, with, with compensation. This is, yeah, it’s going to be amazing. I’m a [00:06:00] little worried that it’s going to affect my, like, I’m very open about mental health and, uh, I’m very open about, uh, how I feel about things. Uh, maybe not to the extent you are, you’re very open about how you feel like things in Microsoft hasn’t fired you.

[00:06:17] Christina: [00:06:17] No, they haven’t. No, they haven’t even yelled at me. So, um,

[00:06:21] Brett: [00:06:21] worried that I’ll censor myself more.

[00:06:23] Christina: [00:06:23] you probably will. I mean, look, I’m going to, this is the hilarious thing. I actually do censor myself more. Um, there are things that I won’t say, but there’s like a line and you you’ll fill the line. You’ll know it also, they hired you, you went through a background check, they know who you are, but that’s the thing that I would, I would tell yourself, like, if they’re not, if they’re not unknown, like you’re not an unknown entity, this isn’t something where they went into this, like without knowing something and part of.

[00:06:52] Why they hired you, candidly is because of your social reach. Like that’s not even a remotely small part of it. That’s actually a pretty major part of it is [00:07:00] obviously your skills and whatnot. But it’s the fact that so many people know you and the reach that you have, that’s why they hired you. So

[00:07:07] Brett: [00:07:07] Yeah,

[00:07:08] Christina: [00:07:08] to me, like I know that also know that yeah.

[00:07:12] I mean, I would definitely become aware of whatever the company guidelines are, uh, so that you don’t reach them because you don’t want to lose a job.

[00:07:19] Brett: [00:07:19] right, right.

[00:07:20] Christina: [00:07:20] but find out what the guidelines are and then find out like where to fit in that. And. There are some things like I’ve, I don’t know, like they’re bare ways that they’re, they’re things that like I kind of sometimes want to comment on.

[00:07:34] And then I think, and I’m like, you know what? I don’t have to comment on this. Like, which I think you would have less of an issue with than I would, because you don’t comment on everything. And, and so like, I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m very opinionated and, and what I’ve learned, and this is going to be hilarious for people who listen to this pod, especially cause I’m much less like this is the most like me that I probably am on any podcast that I do for sure.

[00:07:59] Uh, [00:08:00] in no small part, because it’s, I think probably like a, it’s not a, it’s, it’s a smaller listenership and it’s more intimate. These are people who know us for us and who’ve been with us awhile. So, uh, it feels even though it’s still just every bit as public as anything else, it feels more intimate anyway, uh, which might be, you know, a bad like calculus on my part, but fuck it.

[00:08:24] Uh,

[00:08:24] Brett: [00:08:24] still public. It’s still out there for everybody.

[00:08:28] Christina: [00:08:28] Oh, I’m aware. I’m aware. Just saying which again, I’m saying like, could be a bad calculus on my part, but again, fuck it. But no, it’s one of those things. I think sometimes I’m like, okay, do I have to comment on this outrage, controversy, whatever thing that’s happening. And sometimes I’m like, no, you know what?

[00:08:41] You don’t like, you don’t need to get involved in this fight or this war or any of this stuff. But if it’s something like. The black lives matter stuff that was happening over the summer. I was like at no problem being public about that. And the company was supportive of that, but there are lines, right?

[00:08:57] Like I’m not going to call for violence. I’m not going to call [00:09:00] for, you know, like hate or, or try to, you know, um, like, uh, you know, direct harassment or whatever towards anyone. I mean, there are other things for me, the biggest line and, um, is that I don’t insult the company products. I might make fun of the naming sometimes ingest.

[00:09:17] And I might like harken back to like bad stuff from the past, like in, in a, in a way that’s clearly done with love, but. We are like, I work at a, you know, trillion and a half dollar company that has a bajillion lines of business and not everything that like Microsoft makes, I think is fantastic. So I don’t talk about the stuff that I don’t think is great.

[00:09:41] I’m going to do in that courtesy. I’m not going to lie and be like, Oh, this thing is awesome. If I think that it’s not, but I’m not going to, I’m not going to talk badly about it. And so I feel like Oracle is going to be a similar thing. Like you don’t have to talk about the stuff that you don’t think is great.

[00:09:56] You don’t have to promote it. They’re not paying you for that, but you don’t [00:10:00] have to in shouldn’t and I don’t think you ever would anyway, publicly comment when it’s bad,

[00:10:05] Brett: [00:10:05] Yeah, no. I mean like my entire, uh, blogging career, I have never published, uh, like hit pieces because if something doesn’t make me happy, it’s not worth my time. Like I write about things I love and that can come across as like, he loves everything, but I just ignore the stuff that, that doesn’t live up to my expectations.

[00:10:31]Christina: [00:10:31] exactly. I mean, I’m, I’m similar. Like I, I do like bitch and complain about stuff, but the stuff that I really care about, I mean, and this is what I hear from people who. Like my stuff, who I work with. And, and it’s interesting because I get feedback sometimes from people who I work with and, and by feedback, I mean, positive feedback, uh, I’m always interested.

[00:10:48] It’s always interesting. There’s some people that I work with who get shit for their tweets and their social posts. And then I’m like way more out there. And I don’t, I’m setting myself up for this, as I’m saying this to probably get screamed at for stuff. [00:11:00] But, um, but I’ve also been doing this a very long time.

[00:11:03] So I feel like I have a good understanding of the line and the thing that I hear consistently. And I think this is absolutely true for you because this is part of the reason why we’re friends and what attracted us to working together and doing our podcasts and stuff is like bridges, where you get excited about stuff.

[00:11:18] We like it. We love stuff. That’s fun. And, and for me, like, I don’t ever want to be. Like similar to you. Like if it, if it doesn’t make me happy, I might bitch about it on Twitter because Twitter is my hobby. Actually, a friend of mine pointed that out yesterday because we, we all worked at the same place, which was very dramatic and very chaotic.

[00:11:38] And, um, we all are no longer at that place. And we were talking about, okay, because one of our friends is about to start a new job and they’re like, what am I going to do? And I don’t have this, this drama and this chaos. They’re like, you’re going to get hobbies. She’s like, I wonder what my hobbies is going to be.

[00:11:52] You know, Christina’s is Twitter. And I was like, Oh yeah, that’s true. Twitter is my hobby. Um, but like, if, if you don’t have [00:12:00] something like that, like you’re just going to share the stuff you’re excited about and the cool stuff you do, and what’s going to be great for them is you’re going to figure out ways to do cool stuff with their different services and APIs, and that’s going to be awesome, but you’re also still going to be able to, when it fits work on your own stuff, I have a feeling that’s going to be the thing that is going to be.

[00:12:19]Not the hardest for you, but maybe the thing they’ll take the most time for you to like, figure out the balance is not feeling guilty when you let some of your side projects and stuff, not take top priority and that’s okay. Like it’s going to be okay to be like, I’m still gonna update the blog, still going to do my podcast, but I can let stuff go a little bit because I have this other priority, which is paying me a salary.

[00:12:47] Brett: [00:12:47] See, I want to keep doing over tired, but if I had to let something go, I would probably let systematic go. It’s like, I love the show. I feel like, um, I’m [00:13:00] proud of the work I’ve done there. Uh, but it takes a lot of time with scheduling and then interviewing, and then it always takes way more editing than this show does.

[00:13:10] And it’s, it’s an easily, three times more time consuming than overtired.

[00:13:15] Christina: [00:13:15] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and what I would say for that, I mean, you’ll get the gist of things. Like you can always make it quarterly or, or make, you know what I mean? Like you can always adjust to the, the frequency.

[00:13:25] Brett: [00:13:25] Quarterly once every three months. That that was our schedule for a little while.

[00:13:32] Christina: [00:13:32] It was. I mean, if you make a consistent, our problem is we weren’t consistent. And part of the reason that ours was so crazy was candidly. It was me, was my job. I was in other countries all the time and I didn’t have time and we didn’t have sponsors at that point. So it was one of those things where we didn’t need to be like,

[00:13:50] Brett: [00:13:50] also, I burnt out, like there

[00:13:53] Christina: [00:13:53] you burnt out too.

[00:13:54] Yeah.

[00:13:54] Brett: [00:13:54] a year and a couple of months that I wasn’t doing systematic either. I just, I, I burnt out

[00:14:00] [00:14:00] Christina: [00:14:00] Yes. Okay. So we were burnt out. We weren’t, we didn’t have like the pull of a sponsor to, you know, bring us in and then you know, which, which, which is a important thing. And, um, then like also I had my day job and my, my work comes first. Right? Like that’s, that’s what keeps me like living in nice shortens and, um, paid for by health insurance.

[00:14:24] And so, yeah. You know, like you, you make those choices.

[00:14:29] Brett: [00:14:29] Yeah, no, this, this, this is, um, a life-changing step for me. Uh, everything the world looks different to me today and I loved being an indie developer. I loved, uh, the schedule and the life I carved out for myself in that manner. But yeah, no, this, this feels right. This feels really good.

[00:14:51] Christina: [00:14:51] I’m so happy for you. So when, when, when do you start?

[00:14:54] Brett: [00:14:54] There’s going to be like the whole onboarding process, but within the next, we’ll say month, [00:15:00] uh, depending on how all the paperwork goes,

[00:15:03] Christina: [00:15:03] That’s fantastic. I’m so happy for you. I’m so happy for you. Welcome to the, um, Oh my God. You can now be one of those annoying people who uses an avocado as your emoji in your, um, on your Twitter,

[00:15:15] Brett: [00:15:15] why would I do that?

[00:15:16] Christina: [00:15:16] because you’re a dev avocado.

[00:15:19] Brett: [00:15:19] Uh, no,

[00:15:21] Christina: [00:15:21] I know,

[00:15:23] Brett: [00:15:23] not going to do that. Not going to happen.

[00:15:25] Christina: [00:15:25] I don’t do that

[00:15:26] Brett: [00:15:26] I will, I will, I will maintain my, uh, my Twitter avatar, always being some weird yoga pose.

[00:15:33]Christina: [00:15:33] Fair. I like that.

[00:15:35] Brett: [00:15:35] Yeah. Um, um, um, we have a sponsor for, we have only one sponsor today. So this is not going to be a show where, uh, like 30 minutes of it is dedicated to talking about

[00:15:49] Christina: [00:15:49] Thank you. Thank you to our great listeners who haven’t unsubscribed

[00:15:53] Brett: [00:15:53] Right? I’ll be honest. That one episode we did where literally half the show was just talking about [00:16:00] sponsors. We actually got in trouble with the sponsors for talking about them too much.

[00:16:05]Christina: [00:16:05] That’s our bad that’s because we’re bad

[00:16:09] Brett: [00:16:09] I got good feedback from listeners though. Who thought it was very entertaining that I went into, uh, like off on tangents during a kitty poo read or talking about like separate beds when we were, yeah.

[00:16:23] Anyway, we’ll keep today’s concise. How’s that?

[00:16:28] Christina: [00:16:28] that. Sounds good.

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[00:17:43] Right now I’m reading a book called Clara in the sun and I can’t, the author’s name is Japanese. I’m gonna, I’m gonna guess. It’s Kazuo Ishiguro, which is probably a hundred percent wrong, but the book has me [00:18:00] completely hooked. Um, I’m like, it’s been super charming up to this point, but they’ve set up like four different ways that it could go really dark.

[00:18:08] I have no idea how this book ends, but I’m absolutely riveted. Um, actually have like four books going right now at once. Uh, I was jumping around, but Clara and the sun has me riveted. Um,

[00:18:23] Christina: [00:18:23] I’m I’m listening to truth lies and O-rings inside the space shuttle challenger disaster.

[00:18:28] Brett: [00:18:28] Oh, wow. That sounds intense.

[00:18:31] Christina: [00:18:31] It is it’s 26 hours.

[00:18:33] Brett: [00:18:33] Who wrote it?

[00:18:34] Christina: [00:18:34] Uh, it’s written by Alan J. McDonald and James R. Hansen. And it’s considered like one of the, like it’s considered like the definitive, um, kind of like investigation into the challenger disaster, which, um, I’ve been obsessed with since I was 10 years old and I was born like a year before it happened.

[00:18:54] So, uh, it’s one of those things that, um, I, uh, shouldn’t be [00:19:00] like totally obsessed with, but yet have been for weird reasons my whole life. So it’s really good. Yeah.

[00:19:07] Brett: [00:19:07] Yeah, I was in grade school. We were watching it on a TV in the classroom.

[00:19:12] Christina: [00:19:12] Yeah, so many kids were, which is horrifying. Um, it’s actually interesting, like fun note and then we’ll end our a read. It’s why Peggy Lipton still has a career because she wrote Reagan’s famous and very good speech that he gave after the disaster that was like considered one of the best political speeches of the last 50 years.

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[00:20:41] Christina: [00:20:41] Okay. Now we get to finally talk about the real news, like congrats on your job and everything. That’s awesome.

[00:20:45] Brett: [00:20:45] Whatever, whatever Taylor Swift, blah, blah, blah.

[00:20:48] Christina: [00:20:48] exactly, exactly. Taylor Swift one, uh, like record for a woman anyway. Um, third album of the year, Grammy for folklore. [00:21:00]

[00:21:00]Brett: [00:21:00] Yay.

[00:21:02] Christina: [00:21:02] No, that’s a big deal. I know it was a good album. I know you didn’t like the album as much and that, that you thought it was sad,

[00:21:07] Brett: [00:21:07] No, just to be fair. I don’t care about any Grammys.

[00:21:10] Christina: [00:21:10] I don’t

[00:21:11] Brett: [00:21:11] not a dis on Taylor specifically,

[00:21:14] Christina: [00:21:14] I really don’t care about them either to be honest, except she cares so much and she’d be like pretends, like she doesn’t, but we have, especially if you watched her documentary, which you have to watch because it’s really good. Uh, but if you watch miss Americana, like, it is very much like a, uh, uh, uh, psyche, like, like profile of her, like, you know, we’ve spent years like dissecting her like emotional problems.

[00:21:39]Brett: [00:21:39] professionally. Yes.

[00:21:41] Christina: [00:21:41] Right. The documentary does that, like it says just as well, all I’m saying is, turns out we weren’t wrong, Brett, on a lot of our stuff with her. So, um, w which makes me love her more because I’m like, yes, all the things I picked up on that like, I love her for is very much accurate [00:22:00] into completely. No, she, but, uh, she one, um, I didn’t know she was going to win or not because the Wars were weird this year.

[00:22:07] A it’s a weird year. Did you awards in general? Because it feels like the last year didn’t happen and so much stuff that came out of like art is weird. Uh that’s actually why, I’m glad she won because so many of the other albums that were nominated for album of the year, either came out, you know, before the pandemic started or were clearly started before the pandemic did and like sound like normal albums and don’t.

[00:22:33] In any way, like, feel like they were products of like, what actually happened in 2020, which to me, I’m sorry, is disconcerting that the song of the year was, is it’s called, um, I can’t breathe. And it, it was, you know, very much an illusion to, um, all of the, um, you know, uh, police violence against, um, um, uh, black people.

[00:22:53] Um, but that was from a relatively unknown, um, songwriter or [00:23:00] her who was very good, but like that song, you know, has zero radio play and zero, uh, kind of name recognition and whatnot. Um, whereas folklore, um, even if I think if you, you didn’t like it, I think L might have liked it more than you did, but like it’s, um, very much a product of, of.

[00:23:19] Isolation and pandemic. And like, you feel all that with that. So I was, so I was really glad that, that at one, but she was nominated for five awards. She only won that one. And that’s why that’s one of the things that’s weird is that not always do people sweep it like last year, for instance, Billie Eilish won the big, um, like she went across the board, she won the whole like category.

[00:23:38] She went and record album song, um, and, um, uh, like think like pop vocal, like she got like all of the categories and, um, Taylor was, uh, nominated for five. She only won that one. So it was a different person who run record of the year artists at the year, um, or not ours, the Euro record of the year song of the year and, um, uh, [00:24:00] um, album of the year.

[00:24:01] So all of those were different, which is not common. You usually have, um, some sort of like at least somebody repeating and one of those things, Beyonce queen B also, uh, one’s Grammy’s N she always gets shut out of the major categories, which is weird and. There’s definitely a racial component to that, but she is now the most or tied as the most awarded Grammy person, like ever performer anyway, like she’s 27 now, um, which she deserves every single one, but, uh, yeah, I was worried that Taylor wasn’t going to win and they had her in the front row.

[00:24:38] So it was weird because they only had the attendees present for what categories they were up for. So it wasn’t the typical thing where like they did it outdoors and they presumably had some people in crowds. They had weird crowd noise, but it was very clearly like a laugh tracky clap tracky thing. It didn’t make a lot of sense.

[00:24:57] It was, it was, I didn’t love it. [00:25:00] Um, but they had like these tables, they were outside of like the staple center and they were all, you know, separated by, you know, six feet and every person, even though they’re outdoors was wearing masks and they were able to be there with like one other person at their table.

[00:25:13]And it was a different setup for each nomination for each major category that they were presenting or whatever. And so they had her in the front and I was like, are they going to have her in the front and then have her lose? Like, that’s pretty shitty, right? Like that’s not cool. And then, and then part of you was like, Oh no, but they wouldn’t do that to her.

[00:25:32] Cause she even came and performed and her performance was really good. And I was like, no, they wouldn’t do that to her. And like, unlike a lot of the other rewards where they will bring out the price, Waterhouse, Cooper people to like, be like the integrity of this, you know, uh, award is, is, uh, this and that.

[00:25:46] And we haven’t seen the results and we don’t know. And, and we know that because when they made the flub and the Oscars, um, four years ago, one of the greatest live TV moments ever when they announced the wrong winner for best [00:26:00] picture as law land and it turned out to actually be, um, um, for, um, what was it, a midnight?

[00:26:06] Um, uh,

[00:26:07]Brett: [00:26:07] Are you waiting for me to fill in the blank? Cause I can’t.

[00:26:11] Christina: [00:26:11] Yeah, I’m I’m at best picture 2016. Um, is, uh, now the

[00:26:18] Brett: [00:26:18] They died cowboy.

[00:26:19] Christina: [00:26:19] No, it was Moonlight. That’s it? I’m sorry. I could see the poster in my head. It was Moonlight. Um, so, so when they made that flub, like the reason that they could do that is because the crew had no idea. Like the producers don’t know who wins the Grammys I’m 98% sure is not like that.

[00:26:41] Like, it’s not one of those things where like, MTV, they absolutely know the winners in advance I’m, but I’m pretty sure, like, and everybody involved knows the winners in advanced. I’m pretty sure that they call people in are like, we’re not going to tell you what you won, but you won something. Will you please show up?

[00:26:57] But the Grammys, [00:27:00] somebody, I feel like in the control room at least like knows. I think, I feel, I feel, I feel, I don’t want to like definitively say that. So that was the one thing in my mind. I was like, Oh, they wouldn’t put her up front just to like have her lose because she would never show up again.

[00:27:17] Cause she’s petty like that. But no, but she won and I was very excited also her performance, which is like a medley of songs from folklore and evermore. Very good. It was, I, um, it was not the wop form of performance, which was interesting. Uh, and uh, one of those things that I did actually questioned, I was like, okay, Janet Jackson got canceled for, you know, showing like curb boob for a quarter of a second and this which there’s no nudity.

[00:27:44] And to be clear, I didn’t have a problem with her performance, but it was very, very, very MTV. And I’m like, this is this sort of thing that normally would get people like upset, but I don’t think anybody watched. So I don’t think there was a lot of outrage. So, so Taylor won. [00:28:00] Yay.

[00:28:00] Brett: [00:28:00] Hey, did we get through Taylor?

[00:28:03] Christina: [00:28:03] Shut up. This is important to me and to our, and our listeners, our listeners care about our tailored discourse. No, yes, we’re. We’re done with Taylor.

[00:28:10] Brett: [00:28:10] I can name at least two listeners who, who asked me to let them know when we have Taylor free episodes so they can go listen,

[00:28:18] Christina: [00:28:18] Awesome. Great. They can skip through that. If we put in chapter markers, they can shift through

[00:28:22] Brett: [00:28:22] It’s two people.

[00:28:24] Christina: [00:28:24] That’s like half our audience.

[00:28:25] Brett: [00:28:25] Oh, stop. That’s not true.

[00:28:28] Christina: [00:28:28] I know. I

[00:28:29] Brett: [00:28:29] We have tens of hundreds of listeners. Yeah. I, I have watched more of the Brittany Spears documentary than I have of the, uh, Taylor Swift documentary. And I haven’t watched the Billie Eilish documentary.

[00:28:45] Christina: [00:28:45] I know we were both supposed to watch that, but you had work stuff and I had work stuff. Um, the Billy one I’ve heard is really good. There’s also a Demi Lovato one that I’m kind of excited about. And I hate to me Lavato laminate is great,

[00:29:00] [00:29:00] Brett: [00:29:00] Yeah, I know. I’m just saying as long as we were talking about like music, music related

[00:29:06] Christina: [00:29:06] Well, I didn’t expect, I’m going to be honest with you. I didn’t expect you to see lemonade.

[00:29:09]Brett: [00:29:09] I would this, we, we talk about Beyonce so little on this podcast. I feel like we’re doing a disservice, but I’ll be honest. I’ve never listened to an entire Beyonce song.

[00:29:22] Christina: [00:29:22] I was going to say you don’t, you’re not like this is our generational, like, this is our excuse. We’re close in age, but we’re not like, this is where our generational gap happens because Beyonce is like a year older than me. So she and I are firmly of like the same era and like, You’re you were just past that, like you just, you were never Destiny’s child you and you certainly would not have even entertained pop music when Destiny’s child was a thing like you would, you would have not even

[00:29:47] Brett: [00:29:47] you know, I got into like TLC a little bit.

[00:29:50] Christina: [00:29:50] yeah,

[00:29:51] Brett: [00:29:51] at least I could at least enjoy their songs that like high school dances.

[00:29:55] Christina: [00:29:55] Well, that’s what I’m saying, but by the time you’re out of high school. So imagine like five years after TLC, [00:30:00] would you want to listen to like a

[00:30:03] Brett: [00:30:03] I didn’t have high school dances anymore.

[00:30:05] Christina: [00:30:05] This is what I’m saying, right? So like you missed, this is my point also, and this is, and I have nothing but love for Destiny’s child and, and queen Beyonce herself, but TLC was a better group.

[00:30:17] Like they were more talented because the trio was talented. Whereas Destiny’s child, the joke was yeah, well, and the joke was, cause they kept firing numbers, which is hilarious. Uh, and, uh, and honestly, some of the reasons that those girls were fired was fucked up because her dad was the manager and her mom made their costumes.

[00:30:36] And the only other girl who was in it the whole time is her cousin. And like, it was, but it was clear from the beginning. Like, I mean, and I feel bad because I don’t want to be like, you knew what you got into. Cause like some of these girls got into it when they were like 11 years old. So like, no, you didn’t know what you got into, but your parents maybe should have.

[00:30:54] And I don’t want to even say how many parents would have that, like awareness, but it’s one of those things where I think [00:31:00] everybody was kind of like clean. They were like, no, like, um, This is the Beyonce show and the rest of you are our backgrounders and maybe you’ll get like a chance to sing a verse every now and then.

[00:31:11] Right. But like the reason why she was cast so perfectly in dream girls is because that is like the, you know, um, the story of the Supreme is essentially, and she is Diana Ross in that group. Right. Like she, like she was, um, but, um, I guess, I guess, uh, uh, let’s WIO would have been the, um, Effie, but anyway, I’m going to stop that analogy.

[00:31:35] But, um, so yeah, but you just barely missed said no, but, but TLC is better because they, um, a, they wrote their own music where they didn’t write all of it, but they wrote some of it like, like, uh, Lisa wrote her wraps and they were more involved in that. Whereas, you know, Destiny’s child was very much singing songs that other people had written in that were, would sound good with their voices.

[00:31:55] And there’s nothing wrong with that, but that’s just, that is a difference. And they [00:32:00] were, um, There’s an edge to TLC that you didn’t have, especially the first two albums that you didn’t have with, uh, Destiny’s child ever. Um, so yeah, and I, but anyway, that’s, that’s, I could, I’m going to stop now because I could actually continue to go on about, um, the discourse with, uh, nineties, um, girl groups, because the only two that really exist, not now, I will actually stop after I finish this thought.

[00:32:27] It’s interesting. I think about it. There are so many boy bands and, and boy groups like that’s goes, goes throughout history, even now, like BTS, like you see it, there are so few girl groups, like there are so few and it’s, uh, the, the two, you know, that I can literally name off the top of my head would be TLC and Beyonce and TLC, um, especially their, their second album, which, uh, sold like.

[00:32:52] 20 million records or something insane is like Seminole. Uh, but, uh, but I also love Destiny’s child and [00:33:00] Ben will never apologize for that because I danced at high school dances to Destiny’s child.

[00:33:06] Brett: [00:33:06] If you want, uh, me and me and the two aforementioned listeners, we can, we can just go for awhile. If you give me a time, we can come back.

[00:33:15] Christina: [00:33:15] Hi, I’m done. I’m sorry.

[00:33:16] Brett: [00:33:16] I forgive you. I

[00:33:17] Christina: [00:33:17] talk about sex stuff now. Let’s

[00:33:19] Brett: [00:33:19] so you know what? I realized that stupid, obvious, but it just dawned on me yesterday

[00:33:24] Christina: [00:33:24] What’s that

[00:33:25] Brett: [00:33:25] for every power tool I own. I have 30. Tiny screwdrivers.

[00:33:32] Like I have a tiny bit for every possible torics and Phillips head, you could imagine, but only

[00:33:40] Christina: [00:33:40] it.

[00:33:40] Brett: [00:33:40] the, Oh, I have multiple, I fix it toolkits. And some of the, I have one of their screwdrivers that like, you can, uh, it has like eight different heads in the handle

[00:33:52] Christina: [00:33:52] Oh,

[00:33:52] Brett: [00:33:52] you like slide the, you slide the driver part out and it pulls the, the bit [00:34:00] back inside and then you rotate the handle.

[00:34:02] And when you push it back, it has a different bit. I love that thing.

[00:34:05] Christina: [00:34:05] Awesome.

[00:34:06] Brett: [00:34:06] Um, and I have one that, uh, it’s just a little pocket screwdriver and it unscrews and on t