224: Quantum Sleep

Christina

[00:00:00] Christina: [00:00:00] You’re listening to overtired. I’m Christina Warren here with Brett Terpstra. Brett, how are you doing?

[00:00:06] Brett: [00:00:06] I am so tired.

[00:00:09] Christina: [00:00:09] This is going to be like a classic overtired episode for, uh, for our long time listeners. Right

[00:00:15] Brett: [00:00:15] I think, I think I’m as tired as the day that we came up with the name over tired in an elevator in San Francisco

[00:00:24] Christina: [00:00:24] at Twitter.

[00:00:26]Brett: [00:00:26] at Twitter.

[00:00:27] Christina: [00:00:27] Yeah, it was in Twitter. It was in Twitter’s offices.

[00:00:30]Brett: [00:00:30] Yeah, I don’t. I was so tired. I don’t remember.

[00:00:34] Christina: [00:00:34] Actually, I don’t remember. It might not have been at Twitter’s offices cause we had lunch at Twitter and I don’t remember if we recorded it Twitter. We recorded it at another startup.

[00:00:43] Brett: [00:00:43] Yeah. Where did we, where did we do that live episode? Like we sat down, I think it was with, with Dave. yeah. Yeah. It’s been how many years? Like eight years.

[00:00:58] Christina: [00:00:58] Well, it’s been like six, [00:01:00] almost seven

[00:01:01] Brett: [00:01:01] Wow. Time flies.

[00:01:04] Christina: [00:01:04] Totally flies.

[00:01:05] Brett: [00:01:05] My, uh, my cats, my older cat, his sister went with my ex-wife and moved to Ohio and she got, uh, she got very sick and I found out yesterday that she was being put down.

[00:01:25] Christina: [00:01:25] Oh, I’m so sorry.

[00:01:27] Brett: [00:01:27] and I was doing okay with it. Like it, it really brings into focus like Yetis mortality,

[00:01:33] Christina: [00:01:33] I was going to say, yeah,

[00:01:35] Brett: [00:01:35] but then a D D posted pictures of like her.

[00:01:40] Have you ever put a pet to sleep when they like wrap them in the towel? And you, you do like the comfort whole list. They go like a D D took a picture of Jessie bell in that towel. And I saw it and I just, just started crying. That was intense.

[00:01:59] Christina: [00:01:59] no, that isn’t [00:02:00] intense. Um, mean I’m not going to judge how many, but he deals with their grief or anything at all, but that’s, that’s a lot, you know, I mean, in terms of taking the photo and like putting it on Facebook, I mean, I do too.

[00:02:10] Brett: [00:02:10] when Emma died, I took a picture of her paw as she laid on the, on the table where she eventually got put to sleep. And I posted it with just the, uh, just the tagline. Uh, you did good, babe. And like, I see that in my, in my history and it still chokes me up every time.

[00:02:33] Christina: [00:02:33] I mean, it chokes me up just like hearing about it, to be honest. And like I said, I’m not judging anything because people deal with grief that way. And like I’m in no way saying like you can’t or shouldn’t do that. I’m just saying that is, you know, impactful. I’m not going to use the word triggering because that word is so loaded with so much bullshit, but you know what I mean?

[00:02:53] Brett: [00:02:53] bullshit.

[00:02:54] Christina: [00:02:54] Honestly, uh, I I’m so mad at both us the libs for [00:03:00] like feeding into it and also, you know, the people who have co-opted it and made it this negative term. Like, honestly, I’m like pissed at everyone for ruining that word.

[00:03:08] Brett: [00:03:08] there is legitimate, uh, and powerful meaning to the word, but it definitely became a divisive, uh, where you make fun of people with

[00:03:18] Christina: [00:03:18] Yes. Yes. So I am saying like impacted, uh, you know, when you see that stuff, like I said, I’m not judging at all because I, I think when my, my grandmother was dying, I, um, took a photo with my phone, which was like a flip phone of my grandfather watching her. And, you know, that was on that phone for, for years.

[00:03:43] I might’ve even transferred it off of that or whatever. And who knows. It was like, you know, sub megapixel quality. So, uh, you know, she wasn’t in the photo, but it was just like him watching her because it was just one of those things and

[00:03:54] Brett: [00:03:54] that’s intense.

[00:03:55] Christina: [00:03:55] it completely right. So like I get it and like, I’m, I’m, you know, I’m [00:04:00] ultimately like a documentarian and sorts.

[00:04:03] So like how I view my life. So I get like, you want to capture those moments.

[00:04:08] Brett: [00:04:08] it’s good for a grieving, like, like you, like, even with Emma’s death, like I went through, it took me like two years to really. I feel like I could like smile at Emma’s life and not feel pain about her death, but it’s still like seeing those images, triggers feelings that I think are important to me.

[00:04:33] Like, I think it’s important to feel them. It’s not like I’m dragging myself through like grief and misery. Uh, like every time I see that picture the feelings a little bit different and a little bit more melancholy. I think documenting that stuff serves a purpose.

[00:04:49] Christina: [00:04:49] I do too.

[00:04:50] Brett: [00:04:50] Of

[00:04:50] Christina: [00:04:50] I do too.

[00:04:51] Brett: [00:04:51] everything. So I have to

[00:04:54] Christina: [00:04:54] No. I th I think that documented, it serves a purpose, all, I mean, is that like, and this is the false of Facebook to [00:05:00] be totally candid. Is that. Um, when you see stuff like that on your feed, or when they remind you, like you take some, like you take a photo or you, you document something like, because you want to get through your grief and then on the anniversary of that or something else, like Facebook wants to remind you a year ago on this date and it’s like, go fuck yourself.

[00:05:19] Facebook. Like, I, I don’t want to be reminded of my aunt and uncle’s death or of something else tragic that happened or, or whatever, you know, um,

[00:05:27] Brett: [00:05:27] when I changed my, uh, my status to single, they stopped showing me memories with my ex-wife,

[00:05:36]Christina: [00:05:36] That’s both.

[00:05:38] Brett: [00:05:38] I

[00:05:39] Christina: [00:05:39] I appreciate that, but I’m also creeped out by that.

[00:05:41] Brett: [00:05:41] Yeah, a little bit. I like I have no, I have, I have great memories with a D D. And like, it’s not terribly painful for me to like, it is what it is. And I kinda fortunately Apple photos in my, like, uh, on this day, photos that are brings [00:06:00] up always has pictures of a D and I, so I get my share.

[00:06:06] Christina: [00:06:06] Yeah, no, I mean, yeah, that’s, that’s the thing. Um, like on the one hand and I can see both, both, both, uh, Well, both like size they’re like on the one hand, I guess either the Apple photo thing that could be depending on your relationship, but depending on how it ended, that could actually be one of those like very ups 100%.

[00:06:24] Like that could be very upsetting for people, honestly, like imagine if you were in an abusive relationship and you just happened and you had them in your, in your, you know, um, uh, photo history.

[00:06:33] Brett: [00:06:33] to go through and delete all those photos.

[00:06:35] Christina: [00:06:35] It would except Apple, like, I’m sorry. Uh, not to like take this away from breast mental health corner, but just to go in a brief aside, um, you know, photos is a, is a terrible, terrible experience.

[00:06:48] And I don’t use anything else. I will not use Google photo or whatever. So I’m stuck with, you know, um, uh, Apple photo library or whatever, but good God, if I had to go through [00:07:00] my. Freaking 12 or 13 gigabytes of photos to try to delete stuff. No, like that. That’s going to be a really intensive, difficult process, you know, like who does that?

[00:07:15] Brett: [00:07:15] I’m making a note. We’re going to come back to this, um, because I have more stuff to say about everything before we talk about computer stuff. But I actually do want to know, like, I’m the same. I only use Apple photos and I really don’t even know what I’m missing because I never tried anything else.

[00:07:36] But anyway, the reason I’m so tired. Aye. So over the last couple of weeks, yeah. As listeners are aware, I’ve had these really short manic episodes, like 24 hours of not sleeping of being like super. Uh, fast thoughts, uh, stay up, write code [00:08:00] and then sleep, and then don’t get the depression. And it’s been on this like one week cycle, like once a week, I’m missing an entire night of sleep.

[00:08:13] And then, you know, that ruins the next couple of days. Like if I, if the mania ends and I haven’t slept, then I’m a zombie, which is where I’m at right now. Cause I didn’t sleep last night and I don’t know what’s going on. And like I said, the first one of these happened before I started the new, uh, stimulant Focalin, but I can’t.

[00:08:37] Be sure that Focalin isn’t part of why this is continuing on a weekly cycle, which is like, I hate the mystery of it because I would love to know how to get off this train.

[00:08:49]Christina: [00:08:49] Yeah. No, and I don’t know what to say with that, cause yeah. Uh, I mean, I guess you could go off the focal end, but then that’s opens up its own can of like terribleness,

[00:08:58] Brett: [00:08:58] is working so much better than [00:09:00] the Vyvanse for me.

[00:09:01] Christina: [00:09:01] right? That’s what I’m saying.

[00:09:02] Brett: [00:09:02] getting so much more focus and actual work time out of a day now. Uh, choices. I like, I like last night, some nights I write really good code when I stay up all night. Um, like to the point where I’m like impressed looking through my, my commit logs last night was not one of those nights.

[00:09:27] I wrote so much bad code. Tomorrow’s going to be like a whole, like get BiSeq party to try to figure out where I, everything. Fortunately, I did write a lot of tests as I went along kind of knowing kind of knowing that I was breaking shit as I went. So I wrote tests to prove it to myself later.

[00:09:47] Christina: [00:09:47] totally. Or you could just do like a get revert and just.

[00:09:50] Brett: [00:09:50] I could, I could erase the whole night, but so I was working on bunch. I’ve had, I’ve had last few days, I’ve been obsessed with bunch, [00:10:00] um, for listeners who don’t know bunches, uh, uh, I think batch files. You remember batch files? Yeah. It’s batch files for your Mac, but it can do a ton of stuff. Anyway. I added this thing where if you indent is like, it runs off of text files and you basically, you write out all the things you want it to do apps to launch commands, to burn, and it can run snippets.

[00:10:23] So you can load in parts of other files. And I made it so that if you in dentist snippet four spaces or one tab, it will wait until every app in the bunch has finished launching before it runs that snippet. So you can do things like broaden, uh, A moon, Apple script to arrange all the windows after they load.

[00:10:46] Christina: [00:10:46] Right,

[00:10:47] Brett: [00:10:47] was a whole thing of like getting into NS workspace and watching, like observing all the notifications for Apted finished, launching, and then dealing with all the apps that don’t send proper notifications.

[00:11:00] [00:11:00] Christina: [00:11:00] which has probably many of them.

[00:11:01] Brett: [00:11:01] it was a whole thing. It. Yeah, it kept me up all night and I kinda kind of solved some stuff, but broke other stuff and,

[00:11:12] Christina: [00:11:12] Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, I love that idea. I’m also thinking when you just mentioned like apps that don’t do notifications right away, I’m thinking, Oh wow, you, you can, that’s probably one of those features that you might be able to make work for you, but I would wonder if, if you could ever get out like the edge cases.

[00:11:31] For more people, which will be the interesting thing, I guess, to get deep back on.

[00:11:35] Brett: [00:11:35] Do you, you want to know what app was the weirdest,

[00:11:39] Christina: [00:11:39] Yes, I do.

[00:11:40] Brett: [00:11:40] uh, task paper, task paper. When you get it’s it’s and that’s running application, like it’s kind of entry in the workspace. It has no application name. It reports a bundle identifier, but no application name. Which is annoying because as I’m [00:12:00] like to make this work, I have to make a list of all the apps that are supposed to be launching and then watch for them to finish launching. But I have to, I can’t get a bundle ID from an app that hasn’t launched yet. So the easiest way to do it is to use the application name, but text our T test paper after it launches reports a blank name. So I can’t check it off the list. So I had to do this whole thing where like, I wait for the we’ll launch, a notification grabbed the bundle ID at that point and then store the bundle.

[00:12:32] Yeah, it was. Yeah. And you can tell I’m tired because I’m babbling about this stuff.

[00:12:40] Christina: [00:12:40] So other than, um, uh, staying up all night, writing bad code, um, because of it. Like your like weekly kind of manic episodes, um, and being reminded of, um, you know, deaths and, and, and have seen, um, you know, one of your, your cats, uh, put down, how else are you [00:13:00] doing? How you know, other, other, other than, uh, other than that, how is the play Mr.

[00:13:04] Lincoln?

[00:13:05] Brett: [00:13:05] so it’s super good. Super good. Um, here’s the, here’s the cool thing. We finally, uh, got our kitten out of isolation.

[00:13:15] Christina: [00:13:15] Yay.

[00:13:16] Brett: [00:13:16] introduce them and she is getting along great with Yeti. She antagonizes him a little bit. She wants to play and he’s

[00:13:23] Christina: [00:13:23] Of course.

[00:13:24] Brett: [00:13:24] to give any fucks. So he, he like beat her down once in a while, but then she’ll just be like, Oh, okay.

[00:13:30] And then curl up next to him. And like, it’s so cute.

[00:13:34] Christina: [00:13:34] That’s adorable.

[00:13:35] Brett: [00:13:35] with Finnegan, we introduced them to fast and yet he felt like the need to just move into the basement.

[00:13:42] Christina: [00:13:42] No, I remember that.

[00:13:43] Brett: [00:13:43] And, and, and I felt really bad, you know, having my, my like favorite cat, that’s been mine for like almost 18 years, he relegated to the basement.

[00:13:54] So I’m super happy that this is going so well and that they, uh, that they’re so comfortable with each other.

[00:14:00] [00:14:00] Christina: [00:14:00] That’s awesome.

[00:14:01] Brett: [00:14:01] have pheromones

[00:14:02] Christina: [00:14:02] Yeti, and bod Yeti, and God. I love it.

[00:14:05] Brett: [00:14:05] Yeah. Um, speaking of kittens, you want to hear about something cool. It’s a sponsor.

[00:14:14] Christina: [00:14:14] Hell. Yeah.

[00:14:15] Brett: [00:14:15] it’s a perfect segue. Like we should document our segways because sometimes they’re perfect and sometimes they’re hilariously bad.

[00:14:24] I just want a super cut of all of the speaking of of kittens.

[00:14:30] Christina: [00:14:30] Speaking of kittens.

[00:14:32] Brett: [00:14:32] One of the great things about cats is that you don’t have to let them out or walk them. Uh it’s it’s probably my favorite thing about cats. The downside of that is that that means the cat is pooping in your house. Uh, and except in very rare cases, they don’t know how to use the toilet.

[00:14:48] I have seen a cat use the toilet. I have even seen a cat flush a toilet, but it was like one cat out of millions. Uh, so you end up cleaning a litter box. [00:15:00] So what if there was a way to have an odor free litter box that was easy to clean and automatically replaced every month. And what if it was leak-proof but still made from an entirely recycled material and itself was recyclable as well.

[00:15:15] That’s what kitty poo club does. Kitty poo club is an all-in-one litter box solution designed to be convenient for you. So every month they deliver, uh, an affordable high quality recyclable litter box, and it comes pre-filled with the litter of your choice. He gets to choose from silica base litters or organic soy litter.

[00:15:38] And I went with the organic soil litter cause I’m a fucking hippie these days. I live with a hippie. I it’s a, it’s a whole thing. Granola co-op and soy based litter. So, uh, the silica non-toxic and also odor preventing, um, even the hippie stuff is making it easier to love [00:16:00] my kitten controlling all smells, and it is super easy to clean.

[00:16:04] They say that you don’t have to clean your little litter box at all for a whole month. Um, I, I joke. Maybe you can get away with that, but I still clean it regularly, but you don’t have to change your litter every month that you just recycle it and put a new box in. And bod actually loves it too. Uh, I tested it out by putting her usual litter box next to the kitty poo club box and she picked the pity kitty.

[00:16:32] This is a tongue twister, pick the kitty poo club box almost a hundred percent of the time. And I can’t fully explain why cats are weird, but it’s good

[00:16:42] Christina: [00:16:42] I like it. I like it. I’m I’m looking at the website now and I’m, I am looking at the box, which is recyclable and it’s cute. Like it’s, it’s, it’s a nice looking box. I never had a cat, so I’ve never had a litter box,

[00:16:55] Brett: [00:16:55] That’s why I’m doing this

[00:16:57] Christina: [00:16:57] 100%, [00:17:00] 100%. So tell us, well we’re where can people learn more about kitty poo club?

[00:17:03] Brett: [00:17:03] Well, let’s see, you can go to, to kitty poo club.com and you can enter the promo code overtired and you’ll get 20% off your first order. Uh, when you set up auto ship and you just, you get your first box in the mail, you can get a refund if you hate it. And, uh, you just start getting your, your kitty litter changed for you every month.

[00:17:29] It’s kind of beautiful. The weird stuff about the soy-based litter, is that, have you ever had like, um, I don’t know if they have them outside of the Midwest, but like these desserts where it’s like, uh, pretzels covered in like white chocolate

[00:17:46] Christina: [00:17:46] Oh yeah. I’ve had that.

[00:17:48] Brett: [00:17:48] and it like, yeah. And so it’s flat on the bottom, cause it like.

[00:17:52] Melts onto the whatever flat surface the tongue. That’s what this soy based litter does. Uh, when you pulled [00:18:00] the, the pea balls out, they look like desserts. It’s really kind of weird. I guess that’s kind of pleasant, but it’s effective. It works well. It clumps really well.

[00:18:13] Christina: [00:18:13] That’s good. That’s good. Well, that has to make it easier for the cleaning. Right. Even though you don’t have to clean it, like if it close well like that, that’s an important aspect of, of litter.

[00:18:21] Brett: [00:18:21] I don’t think it, I don’t think I had any problem with it smelling. Like I cleaned it out of habit more than anything. Um, and our kitten poops a lot. Like, I feel like if I let it go for a whole month, it would be a minefield of poop balls and peat balls. But anyway, thanks to kitty poo club for sponsoring this episode of tired.

[00:18:46] Christina: [00:18:46] Thank you. Pity. Thank you. Kitty poo club. Yes. Also great name.

[00:18:51] Brett: [00:18:51] say kitty poo. Kitty. Yeah. If you’re really tired, it’s a tongue twister. Maybe if I were more awake, it would be perfectly reasonable.

[00:19:00] [00:18:59] Christina: [00:18:59] I’m not that tired and it was a tongue twister. So thank you, kitty poo club. Appreciate you.

[00:19:06] Brett: [00:19:06] Sure. Um, so, uh, do you want to talk more about photos?

[00:19:10] Christina: [00:19:10] Yes.

[00:19:11] Brett: [00:19:11] Tell me, so I actually kind of like photos. It’s, I’ve never tried to delete a bunch of stuff, but when I want to find a photo, it’s not terribly difficult. Plus it’s got like cool searches for like, you can search for pets or search for cats. And it like automatically is indexed, not just faces, but actual like image types and everything been it’s it’s pretty.

[00:19:39] I like it. I don’t

[00:19:41] Christina: [00:19:41] I mean, I don’t.

[00:19:41] Brett: [00:19:41] with photos.

[00:19:42] Christina: [00:19:42] mean, I don’t, I don’t hate it. I just don’t. Okay. Here’s the thing. They finally added features like the pet detection and face detection and, and some of the search stuff. They added that like five years after Google photos did. And I’m not even exaggerating when I say that, like it was super late and I’m happy [00:20:00] that they have it.

[00:20:00] And I understand why there are the trade-offs right. Like Google photos is better. And, and again, I don’t use Google photos, uh, for lots of reasons, but, um, you know, uh, One of the things about it that would be attractive would be that it has. All of these AI features, that’s also makes it a little bit of a, kind of a privacy and you want, you know, Google machine learning, you know, and applying that to your stuff or, or, or not.

[00:20:24] And, you know, whereas Apple doesn’t do that. And so that’s always the trade-off with Apple, right? Like one of the reasons that Siri is so terrible is that, you know, they don’t do. A lot of the, the better machine learning stuff that, that, um, Alexa and Google assistant and, and whatnot use. But I guess for me, so I, I I’m with you on that for me, the search is okay, but like, it’s not one of those things where I like it’s okay.

[00:20:52] Maybe this is just a personal niggle. I have a ton of screenshots. And it’s not like I can ever search specifically to get [00:21:00] screenshots, you know, it’s like of a certain app or anything like that. And I, and I’m not saying that I don’t think Google photos or anything could do that any better. I’m not saying that.

[00:21:07] I’m just saying that like photos, isn’t one of those things. Um, I’ve never tried to delete a bunch of stuff either. I’m just in a place where if I try to, um, um, ah,

[00:21:20] Brett: [00:21:20] aye.

[00:21:20] Christina: [00:21:20] the photo that you just sent, I love that.

[00:21:22] Brett: [00:21:22] to interrupt, but

[00:21:23] Christina: [00:21:23] No, that’s fine.

[00:21:24] Brett: [00:21:24] out that it can differentiate between kitten and adult cat. And it does a pretty accurate job. So it popped up, it surfaced a photo of Yeti from like 18 years ago. Uh, and that is, that is Yeti in his first couple months of life. Yeah.

[00:21:44] Christina: [00:21:44] That’s amazing. And, and was that a photo that you then added an Instagram filter too? Or was that actually how the, okay. I was going to say, I was like, cause that’d be pretty amazing. If the photo you took 18 years ago, you then like, ha

[00:21:56] Brett: [00:21:56] paper. It was printed out. Like the photo [00:22:00] in my album is a photo of a piece of paper. So, you know, that.

[00:22:06] Christina: [00:22:06] totally. I do. Yeah. Um, I can kind of tell, I was like, Oh, that’s such an early Instagram filter a moment, but it’s perfect. And Oh little Yeti. That’s the most adorable photo of ever seen. I’m sorry, where you have to put this in the show notes so that

[00:22:20] Brett: [00:22:20] Yep. It

[00:22:21] Christina: [00:22:21] everyone can see posted in the discord. Um, because this is, this is honestly too cute for words.

[00:22:28] Uh, wow. Yeah, no, I mean, so I don’t want to like totally shit on, on Apple photos. I just feel like it is one of those things where if I’m trying to find a photo in Australia or something, it can get me the general vicinity, but then I’ve got to like cycle through a ton of them. Um,

[00:22:52] Brett: [00:22:52] sure.

[00:22:53] Christina: [00:22:53] I don’t know. I mean, it’s fine.

[00:22:54] I just don’t think it’s anything like groundbreaking, I guess for me, the big thing is like, [00:23:00] And I think this is probably true for a lot of people. I take a lot of photos and I do very little to actually ever go through them again or call them down and it’s weird.

[00:23:10] Brett: [00:23:10] super handy.

[00:23:11] Christina: [00:23:11] Right, right. And it used to be, and that is one thing that I do think that like, Apple’s things of like trying to find the best shot.

[00:23:17] I usually, um, I sometimes agree with that. I sometimes absolutely do not. It’s not one of the things I really like to trust. Um, but this is one of those things that I think it’s weird. And I wonder if people do this and I’d be curious to hear from listeners, like back in the day, I used to use like iPhoto and aperture to, you know, go through and really kind of Cole my photos and really sort of, you know, be conscientious about like all the ones that I took and really try to organize them now.

[00:23:46]No, like. I, I take them. I carry them from phone to phone, to phone. Um, my, my iCloud, I think I go all the way back to like an iPhone five is, is where the first, um, at least for my uploads go, I’ve got like [00:24:00] Prius up close to that somewhere. But like in my, my, but they’re, they’re not in the I photo library or photos library, they’re like in a different place, but I, you know, whenever they introduced, you know, That kind of iteration or thing of, of iCloud, like literally going back to like the iPhone five is where I kind of start.

[00:24:18] And I’m like, yep. Every photo that I’ve taken from this point forward is here and I can kind of go through them. I can kind of not, I will say like the, the widgets in iOS, that’ll like pop up and show you like recent photo things. Like you said, those can be kind of cool. Although sometimes I just see like weird photos that I’ve taken in my face and I’m like, I don’t want to see this.

[00:24:38] Um,

[00:24:39] Brett: [00:24:39] would think their machine learning could detect good photos.

[00:24:42]Christina: [00:24:42] You would, you would think, or maybe, I don’t know, maybe you would know like, yeah, you take a bunch of selfies. Cause you were sitting stuff through Snapchat or Instagram or whatever. And like, you don’t want to see this again. Like that’s, that’s the weird thing. And I don’t know if any of the photo apps have kind of accounted for that, but like in this age of like Snapchat and, [00:25:00] and Instagram, um, direct messages and stories and things like that, like you take.

[00:25:05] These kind of ephemeral photos. And if you have the settings set on your phone, as I do to like save those things, then they’re captured in and you’re like, okay, this was just like a weird one-off thing. I don’t remember the context. Like now this is showing up on my iPad for like, uh, for like two days.

[00:25:20] And I’m like, don’t show me that. I don’t want to see that,

[00:25:23] Brett: [00:25:23] I used to put keywords. I used to actually go through and like actually tag images and

[00:25:27] Christina: [00:25:27] right. Yeah. Me too.

[00:25:29] Brett: [00:25:29] create albums. And I had, I had flicker going pretty strong. Like I used to create a separate albums for all kinds of events. And I even wrote Jekyll plugins for embedding flicker galleries. And I just kind of stopped.

[00:25:45] I stopped really using flicker. I still pay for like a

[00:25:48] Christina: [00:25:48] I do too. I do too. I was going to say, I still pay for a, for premium flicker count. I haven’t used it in years, you know, and, and smug mug bought them. And, um, you know, they’re trying to kind of keep it [00:26:00] going, but, uh, If you know, who knows how long that’s gonna last? Um,

[00:26:06] Brett: [00:26:06] needed? I have scripts to download all of the original photos from flicker. Yeah.

[00:26:13] Christina: [00:26:13] nice. Yeah, somebody has like, there’s like a, there’s like a YouTube DL, but for images.

[00:26:18]Brett: [00:26:18] Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think I, yeah, I can’t remember if my script actually is all original. Like my Jekyll plugins. Do you know, it’s all custom code, but I think the script I have for backing up a flicker, I used to run it on a, like a regular. Cron job. And I don’t, I don’t think I wrote the whole thing. I think there’s existing tools for it.

[00:26:47]Christina: [00:26:47] yeah.

[00:26:48] Brett: [00:26:48] I have so many photos. I’m like, um, I’m, I’m absentmindedly scrolling through years worth of photos here. Yeah. I’ve stuff dating back to I [00:27:00] phone. I want to say. There was a point where I had a Drobo crash and I lost like two years of my digital life. And honestly, I don’t care anymore, but in that moment it felt like quite a, quite a loss in Drobo.

[00:27:16] His texted port was like, Nope, that’s gone.

[00:27:19]Christina: [00:27:19] Yeah, I remember. I remember, I remember you saying this and there were actually a lot of people who had that issue with Drobo is dribble even around anymore.

[00:27:26] Brett: [00:27:26] I really don’t think so. And like my parents have an old transporter of mine and it’s

[00:27:33] Christina: [00:27:33] They, they, they, yeah. Well, transport went out of business or they were sold to someone. Um, but it still worked for a while. I loved transporter. That was good stuff.

[00:27:46] Brett: [00:27:46] There were a few you, uh, little devices like the transporter, but I mean, really if you’re going to do it right, you’re going to get a Synology.

[00:27:56] Christina: [00:27:56] I was going to say, you’re going to get a Synology or, or a Q nap. Uh, [00:28:00] Q nap is good too. Um, Uh, it it’s, it’s also a NAS brand similar to Synology. So they’re like probably Synology biggest competitor in like the, you know, um, home, small business now space and they’re also very good. Um, We’ve had analogies for years, but I’ve, I’ve reviewed and have used Q stuff.

[00:28:20] And for certain purposes, I think people can maybe do better financially with, with acute app depending on their needs. But, um, the prices are not that different. They’re, they’re pretty comparable. And, and I read a lot of NAZA reviews and, and kind of depending on what you want kind of varies which one, but, uh, yeah.

[00:28:36] Brett: [00:28:36] is buying the hard drives and, and keeping in mind that the hard drives have a limited life. You have to be prepared to replace your hard drives. So it’s an ongoing expense to run a good NAZ.

[00:28:50] Christina: [00:28:50] It is, it is. I mean, that was actually the issue that we had with ours at one point was that, um, our, uh, our dry started failing and we had a couple of them fail at [00:29:00] once and we had to do one of those things where we had to like, um, Kind of by a second NAS kind of offload stuff so that we wouldn’t lose everything because like the raid was failing.

[00:29:10] Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, we, we managed to kind of save it and rebuild it, but yeah, it was one of those things. And, um, and I should say here, I mean, I kind of can’t complain because I had a Synology and we’re going to replace it. I’ve actually been searching for, and this is why I mentioned Kuno, cause I’ve actually been in the process for the last couple of months of researching, um, Different NAZA options because we had us Knology 1813 plus, which is like their eight Bay unit.

[00:29:36] And it’s great. But at this point, you know, it’s old and, um, it still works, you know, for a good storage thing, but in terms of like fourplex or other stuff, like we have to use other servers other front ends like to, to do it. And I would really like to just have the NAS kind of do everything, um, and, and have something that’s a little bit more powerful, but, uh, the thing is, um, The, um, [00:30:00] I can’t talk, uh, some of the drives, you know, died, but, but the, the thing is, is Synology had been kind enough and this was like 2013.

[00:30:09] They sent me that unit and all the drives, which was a massive gift.

[00:30:16] Brett: [00:30:16] like as a loner. What,

[00:30:20] Christina: [00:30:20] no, no. They just like gave it to me.

[00:30:22] Brett: [00:30:22] what,

[00:30:23] Christina: [00:30:23] I know.

[00:30:24] Brett: [00:30:24] why are you special?

[00:30:26] Christina: [00:30:26] Apparently I was to them.

[00:30:28] Brett: [00:30:28] support?

[00:30:29]Christina: [00:30:29] I don’t know. I mean, apparently like, I, I guess a hell of, I know to be totally honest, well, this is what I’m saying. And it was very cool and like that’s never going to happen.

[00:30:39] And I actually feel like a, and I’m not sure if this was 100% the reason why, um, uh, it probably wasn’t, but it was one of those things where I mentioned the accidental tech podcast to the person who walked, who worked at Synology and all of those hosts got Synology is too. With drives. And, but honestly, which was probably one of the best investments, knowledge he [00:31:00] ever made, because those guys talk about it, like all the time and still use them to varying degrees or have bought new ones.

[00:31:06] So like that paid dividends, I’m sure like way more than like giving me mine. Right? Like. I, I will. I, I reviewed it. I’ll make a mention here and there. I will always sing their praises and not because they gave it to me for free, but because I’ve literally had this unit working and in like commission other than having to replace drives here and there, like it has been working the software still updated.

[00:31:27] Um, it is a great unit. Like we, we bought and we’ve since. And bought other ones. So, you know, I’m not like on the, on, on the payroll or whatever, but it was one of those things. Um, cause there’s plenty of companies have sent me shit that I’m very kind to them to, uh, didn’t want to back that like. I don’t talk about it.

[00:31:46] Cause I’m like, yeah, that was a thing. Okay. Uh, we’re Synology I’m like, no, I’m, I’m like I’ve used this for years and years and years and, and I’m a big fan, but like they more than got their money’s worth, you know, giving, [00:32:00] you know, $2,000 plus, you know, loaded systems to the ATP hosts me, probably not so much for the ATP hosts.

[00:32:07] They totally got their money’s worth.

[00:32:09] Brett: [00:32:09] I’m trying to remember what year mine is. It’s I’m looking at the info page, basic information. It doesn’t have the model number on it. I know for a fact that the model number includes the years,

[00:32:20] Christina: [00:32:20] It does. It does, but the last two digits, it’s like, you know, 15, 18, you know, um, like I think the new ones are 20, maybe 21.

[00:32:29] Brett: [00:32:29] It’s an 18, so it’s not too

[00:32:31] Christina: [00:32:31] Nice. No, not at all.

[00:32:34] Brett: [00:32:34] I love this thing. I really do. It’s an allergy. Uh, I’m, I’m putting a time stamp in here so they can, uh, uh, link them to this. Um, Synology I love you. And you should sponsor our podcast.

[00:32:46] Christina: [00:32:46] You totally should sponsor a podcast like genuinely, because we love you disk manager. Also, this is what’s funny. I really liked disc manager there. Um, kind of like, um, You know, Linux, uh, based kind of interface thing that they [00:33:00] have. And what’s funny is that people have like found a way to get disk manager to work with nonce Knology products.

[00:33:08] I’ll be at like very unofficially with that to me is kind of a Testament to how good Synology stuff is that like, cheapskates, like let’s just be real. Are. Like wanting to be like, Oh, I can build my own for less than this, but then they don’t have interface, you know, that they could, they could, you do with it.

[00:33:25] And like, that’s the reality. It’s like, could you build a computer and put more drives in it and have your own interface? That would be less expensive than a Synology or Q nap or whatever, without a doubt, 100%. And if you really want to run your own home lab and, and really want to like control everything by all means like you can have a ton of fun with that.

[00:33:43] For me, I don’t really want to deal with all of that. And I really like how well the Synology stuff works with max, even though it is obviously not a Mac product and unlike Drobo, which I never used, but you are not the only person that I’ve [00:34:00] heard from who had like catastrophic data failure from Drobo.

[00:34:02] Like I, I’m not even joking when I say I actually know five people that that happened to, I don’t know if I’ve ever known anybody who. You know, that sh that happened with this analogy where it wasn’t

[00:34:13] Brett: [00:34:13] heard of a horror story.

[00:34:17] Christina: [00:34:17] no me either. I mean, cause the thing is, is that you will get an alert. So if your rate is dying, like you’re going to get an alert. Now, if you don’t take it upon yourself to replace the drives or when multiple things are failing you’d because what had happened, I think is that the drives that, that, you know, came in our unit were certain Seagate models that had some issues.

[00:34:35] Um, this wou