223: Zealotous

Brett

[00:00:00] [00:00:00] Brett: [00:00:00] Hello, you’re listening to over-tired. I’m Brett Terpstra and she’s Christina Warren. And I just nailed that intro. How’s it going, Christina?

[00:00:10] Christina: [00:00:10] You just nailed it. I’m so excited for you. Uh, I’m pretty good. I’m pretty good. It is. Uh, I was, I said like when we were talking pre-show it’s it’s the last day of a school meeting is the last day of like the hellish, like four years. We’ve just spent. We’re about to graduate into something better, hopefully

[00:00:30] Brett: [00:00:30] Yeah. And the seniors are totally dissing the freshmen.

[00:00:34] Christina: [00:00:34] completely, completely.

[00:00:38] Brett: [00:00:38] Yeah.

[00:00:40] Christina: [00:00:40] So, yeah, that was an illusion for anybody out there. This is as we’re recording, this is the last day of the Trump administration, um, which, uh, knock on wood. And I’m literally knocking on wood because. We, I don’t want to tempt fate, but it does seem like we [00:01:00] somehow, barely. And I do mean barely got out of this, um, without like nuclear apocalypse.

[00:01:09] Brett: [00:01:09] It does feel like a close call. Uh, where are we at with like the violence predictions right now?

[00:01:18] Christina: [00:01:18] Uh, the FBI and people are on it. So I think that there are still some predictions, but I don’t think, I think at this point, a lot of people are spooked. If that makes any sense, like I’m not expecting. There to be a huge anti protest on Wednesday, but I don’t think anybody knows. And the only reason I’m not expecting that is because they literally have, um, police officers going and getting right gear and stuff from hotel lobbies in DC.

[00:01:50] Like

[00:01:51] Brett: [00:01:51] Don’t they have like tens of thousands of national guard troops deployed in DC. Now

[00:01:56] Christina: [00:01:56] Exactly exactly. It’s like, Oh, it only took an insurgency for [00:02:00] you to actually, you know, listen to what these people are saying that they’re going to do and, and, and beefing up security around this stuff. It only took that. Um, so, so I feel like to me, it’s Danny with, with faint praise, you know what I mean?

[00:02:15] It’s like, it’s kind of like, The TSA is a terrible institution, but it took nine 11 for airports to actually like, do anything about security, you know,

[00:02:26] Brett: [00:02:26] Yeah. To at, to at least have some security theater, I suppose.

[00:02:30] Christina: [00:02:30] Yeah. And, and in some cases they have actually copyable, like, I don’t think enough to like, be able to justify some of the more egregious TSA rules having said that like other countries have taken on stuff too.

[00:02:42] And, and yeah. At least have a security theater with it. You know what I mean? But I think of anything else, like the theater probably does scare some of your less like zealous people from, from doing it because they’re like. Well, I’m going to get caught, you know? Um,

[00:02:58] Brett: [00:02:58] a word. Is [00:03:00] it zealous or is it, is it zealous when you’re referring to a zealot?

[00:03:04] Christina: [00:03:04] I think it’s selfless when you’re referring to

[00:03:06] Brett: [00:03:06] If it’s not a word it is now

[00:03:08] Christina: [00:03:08] I pretty sure that it zealous as a word Buzzell. Cause zealous, I think is the, is the adjective Andela this would be like the adverb.

[00:03:16] Brett: [00:03:16] of zealots. Yes. Anyway, I do. Yeah. I do think, I think that theater discourages, well, it discourages me, like if I ever had a thought of.

[00:03:27] Christina: [00:03:27] Right,

[00:03:28] Brett: [00:03:28] anything dastardly, like I’m, I don’t even, I think you’re allowed to have like a blade under like three inches or something like a fingernail Clippers, things like that.

[00:03:39] Like, I don’t even try, like,

[00:03:41] Christina: [00:03:41] No, totally.

[00:03:42] Brett: [00:03:42] I bought the, the Gerber artifact without the Exacto blade on it. I’m adding the Gerber artifact to our show notes because that’s the coolest thing ever. No, not ever. I’m sure there anyway, you’ll see. Follow the link in the show notes.

[00:04:00] [00:03:59] Christina: [00:03:59] Yeah, no, same with me, although I like, I’ve never really, you know, I, um, I’ve traveled with scissors before and sometimes like that has been compensated, whatever, which fine. But, um, the, the big thing with me is it’s always been like, Oh, well, I’m certainly not traveling with drugs through the airport. Um, although that is remarkably easy as well.

[00:04:21] From what I understand, I don’t know. I’ve I’ve, I’ve I’ve

[00:04:24] Brett: [00:04:24] want to, you want to hear a story

[00:04:27] Christina: [00:04:27] I do want to hear a story.

[00:04:28] Brett: [00:04:28] nine 11, but it was an international flight because I was going to Canada and. I was like, this is the middle of my heroin addiction. And I didn’t know if I would be able to score in, I think we’re going to, I don’t even remember. Um, but I wasn’t sure I would be able to, to stay high.

[00:04:51] And so I spent a hundred dollars on a, like a bottle of just like every [00:05:00] possible, uh, pill that a junkie could want. Um, uppers and downers and relaxing and like unlabeled too. Like, I didn’t even know what half the self wise it was to kind of like take the blue one if you’re feeling this. And like the guy that sold it to me gave me crazy instructions.

[00:05:18] Anyway, I didn’t, I didn’t know how much trouble I would get in for having pills that weren’t in a bottle with my name on them. So I wrapped the whole thing up in saran wrap and put it, you know, Where you would, um, I’ll just say it. I put it on my butt and I went through customs with all that in my butt, went through the x-ray machine, scared shitless that I was going to get caught because I was paranoid.

[00:05:48] Anyway, I’m on drugs. I’m paranoid. And I, I made it. It was no problem. I have to say having been through that experience, I do think it would be really easy to get a fair amount of [00:06:00] drugs through TSA.

[00:06:03] Christina: [00:06:03] Yeah. Um, at this point I’ve accidentally gone through, I think with edibles before which whatever, and that stuff like looks like any sort of other matters. So if it’s not, you know, in, um, Like containers that outwardly say that their drugs, if they were to go through your stuff, like, you know, it would be difficult.

[00:06:23] But yeah. I tend to think that you’re right. Although there’s a certain amount of profiling too, right? Like I was paranoid because when I went to Dubai, I was coming from Europe and I, um, cause I flew from. I think it was an Amsterdam. Um, but I might’ve been in Stockholm nose and Stockholm. So I went from like Stockholm to Dubai, I believe.

[00:06:49] And, um, or, or maybe it was Amsterdam and then Stockholm was later. Anyway, I flew from like one place to another, and I had my DEXA [00:07:00] during with me and. I was like really concerned that they were going to like arrest me or do something to me for having a controlled substance and you buy and like, and I did all the research, but it’s really unclear there in terms of like what you can bring in and what you can’t.

[00:07:14] I had a doctor’s note. I had like the prescriptions, like I had, like, everything that I thought was, was allowed, but I was also like severely freaked out that they were going to go through my medication or, or whatever. So I invoked the ultimate, like. Protection, which is white privilege. And I paid, I don’t know, like $200 or something for the concierge service where they meet you at the plane, and then they take you in a golf cart too.

[00:07:48] Um, a waiting area where I like had a, uh, a drink non-alcoholic cause it was during, um, Ramadan, um, and uh, watched some TV. I [00:08:00] remember this is when the first impeachment was happening. Someone went and got my bag for me. Then I had my own private, like x-ray thing, which, because I was being hand walked in by someone.

[00:08:12] I don’t even know if they looked at the screen. Then I was taken to another lounge where I waited for my chauffer, who then took me to my hotel.

[00:08:20] Brett: [00:08:20] All because you were worried, they would take your Dexedrine away.

[00:08:24] Christina: [00:08:24] I wasn’t worried. They take my Dexedrine away. I was worried. I’d get arrested for having to exit train, and then I’d be in like, and then I’d be in a Muslim country. Like that. That was my concern. I was like, okay, if I can’t have it, I can’t have it fine. But, um, but, but there was a very real concern because again, I was going from like one country to another.

[00:08:44] Like, I didn’t want to be without it for like two weeks.

[00:08:47] Brett: [00:08:47] We, we started talking about Trump and we got to like drug drugs in TSA in like one paragraph, basically.

[00:08:56] Christina: [00:08:56] We did. You know why? Because I’m just ready to be done.

[00:08:58] Brett: [00:08:58] Yeah. So here’s the thing [00:09:00] about that. Um, I am, I am allowing myself today to actually feel relief. Like, I like, I’ve always tempered, like, yeah, Trump’s done, but he’s not really going to go away. Here’s the state of, uh, like the right and, and, uh, and like white power and terrorism and none of this is going to change.

[00:09:23] And I don’t like Biden all that much. I don’t have high hopes for the new administration, but I’m letting go of all that right now. And just. Just feeling the relief that we’re so close to just being done with Trump.

[00:09:38] Christina: [00:09:38] I, yeah, no, I’m I’m with you. And although, you know, I’m kind, I, I come around on Biden a lot just because I think that, I dunno, I feel like it’s what we need right now. We need somebody who is competent and who, um, can hopefully get some stuff done, right? Like,

[00:09:57] Brett: [00:09:57] yeah. Now, now that we have the [00:10:00] Senate, I do have hopes that maybe even we can push some more progressive legislation. I it’ll be an uphill battle, but the possibility is at least there

[00:10:12] Christina: [00:10:12] No. Totally, totally. And, and, um, I don’t know. I get tired. When, like we do this on the left where we eat our own and I get it. I do, I, I understand the impulse, but I’m also at a certain point. I’m like, can we like not, can we just celebrate the fact that this asshole is gone?

[00:10:31] Brett: [00:10:31] yeah, I never really celebrated. Uh, Biden’s victory to begin with for the aforementioned reasons. But tonight, tonight, I will have, uh, a fake beer and salute democracy working.

[00:10:48] Christina: [00:10:48] Yeah, seriously. Um, and although, you know, barely again, because it almost didn’t, um,

[00:10:55] Brett: [00:10:55] But like the, the, the loops that [00:11:00] democracy had to go through this year. Kind of gives me faith in the strength of our institutions that they could withstand an all out like onslaught of, uh, basically attempts to undermine democracy and our institutions withstood it. And that, that I have a little more faith now than I actually did before we, you know, Trump.

[00:11:29] So, you know, plus side.

[00:11:33] Christina: [00:11:33] No. I, I agree with that. I, um, I think it’s, it’s, it’s been sort of a relief that the system did work because I think, I mean, a lot of, a lot of places look to us, not just, you know, because not that we’re the, I don’t think we’re the oldest democracy. I think there might be some that are older, but like we, you know, like if, if it, if our, if our experiment failed, like the way that our Republic works failed, like that would be [00:12:00] a negative harbinger for democracy in general.

[00:12:04] And, and it’s a relief that, that, again, knock on wood like that hasn’t happened.

[00:12:09] Brett: [00:12:09] Uh, if I watch a lot of, um, socialist and along with all my aunt or, uh, atheist, YouTube that I watch, I watched a lot of socialist stuff and, um, they always talk about, uh, how us is supposed to be like the shining, the Paragon of democracy. And we don’t actually live in a democracy. I mean, if anything, we’re like, we’re run by corporations, people.

[00:12:36] It’s not one vote, one person, one vote, and we don’t really have the say that we think we do. Um, all that said though. Yeah, I’m still feeling pretty good about our democracy right now.

[00:12:50] Christina: [00:12:50] Yeah. I mean, look, it’s not, it’s not perfect, but it’s, it’s better than most of the other systems. Um, and, um, yeah, so.

[00:13:00] [00:13:00] Brett: [00:13:00] So, uh, I, I did, uh, I have, uh, a bot that I’ve probably mentioned before in our discord that tells us what our topics for the day are going to be. It’s that little dice rolling app that I wrote a macro for

[00:13:13] Christina: [00:13:13] Yeah, I, I saw, I saw that I saw that it were politics, religion, TV, and of course, Taylor

[00:13:19] Brett: [00:13:19] Yes. I have a separate, I have a separate bot that tells me whether we have to talk about Taylor Swift or not. And I will, I will say I had it phrased so that it doesn’t say we have to talk about Taylor. It just says, sure. Go ahead and talk about Taylor. So we have permission to talk about Taylor Swift. W w we’ll see if we get there.

[00:13:40] Christina: [00:13:40] Well, we’ll see if we get there, but, uh, but we’ve covered politics. We’ve got a little bit into religion. Do you want to do an, add a read before we talk more about, um,

[00:13:50] Brett: [00:13:50] Yeah, we have three sponsors today. We should have talked about what order we were going to do them in.

[00:13:55] Christina: [00:13:55] I think just go on the order of the

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[00:15:33] Brett: [00:15:33] That was an amazing read. Nice job.

[00:15:37] Christina: [00:15:37] Thank you. Thank you. And thank you, ritual. Um, I, I I’m I’m I’m going to chalk it up to the vitamins for

[00:15:42] Brett: [00:15:42] really? You’re really on the ball. All right. So we can, we, can, we have a couple other politics topics we could hit, but we have a long list today. So do you want to do TV or religion?

[00:15:58] Christina: [00:15:58] Well, you were kind of talking [00:16:00] about religion. Um, With the last thing, it kind of came up a little bit. So maybe let’s just finish on that and then we can go

[00:16:07] Brett: [00:16:07] so here’s my, here’s my religion topic. And I’m going to talk about this because I know my mom doesn’t listen to this show. Um, however, my mom and I are friends on Facebook and, uh, she posted. A poster a little, it’s not a meme. It’s like actually a picture of a poster that says, don’t worry about tomorrow.

[00:16:28] God is already there. And I had to stop myself from commenting. I just wanted to say, is this the same God that invented COVID and the AIDS crisis is this the same God that is responsible for infant mortality rates and. Uh, it took a lot, like I kept going back to it. I kept actually like loading up, like clicking in the comment field and then walking away like three times.

[00:17:00] [00:17:00] I just, I don’t, I guess I don’t really want to have that conversation.

[00:17:06] Christina: [00:17:06] No, uh, it’s to me, there’s no point in making a comment like that. It’s not going to make you feel any better. It’s not going to make her feel any better. You’re not going to agree to it. It’s just going to be a pithy, like, frankly kind of shitty thing for you to say that, like, you’ll be like, ha ha look at how much smarter I am than you, but like, it’s not going to change anything.

[00:17:24] So I think those are good things where I’m glad you bit your tongue it’s like, say it on the pod, tweet it. Right, exactly. That’s what I’m saying. Like, these are things that we can, like, you can always choose cause. I I used to, especially when I was younger and better about it now, uh, although, I mean, I still get myself into trouble, but I’m significantly better about it now.

[00:17:44] Uh, people think I don’t have a filter and I’m like, Oh no, you have no idea. Like how much I’m actually

[00:17:49] Brett: [00:17:49] Can hear the things I’m not saying.

[00:17:52] Christina: [00:17:52] Exactly. But I think about it. I’m like, what’s the value in this and on Facebook, that’s actually one of the reasons I’m not on Facebook a lot [00:18:00] is I’m like, What am I adding to this discourse?

[00:18:03] Is anything actually going to like, come from this? Um, I got sent apparently some hate, uh, Instagram messages from people who were mad about me. Um, like with the QCAT guy. And, and, and, and some of them were invoking God. So this fits into both our religion and our politics segment. And it was so funny because I don’t allow, like, I screen messages before anybody can kind of like send something to me.

[00:18:32] And so I obviously didn’t approve this, this message that came through and I just kind of laughed at it. And I was like, I got like two of them. And I’m like, why would you send this to a stranger? Like, you’re going to seek me out on Instagram. So that you can tell me that I’m a godless liberal Haven who knows nothing about technology or science.

[00:18:55] And I’m like, okay. Um, [00:19:00] right, exactly. I’m like, yes, I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m a godless heathen liberal, but like also, like, does this make you feel better? Like what, what are you getting out of this hall? Like shows her and I’m like, no, I don’t really care.

[00:19:14] Brett: [00:19:14] feel like comments like that actually come from a place of passion though.

[00:19:21] Christina: [00:19:21] I mean, I think passion, but it’s also, you can be passionate and still be stupid.

[00:19:25] Brett: [00:19:25] absolutely. I’m not saying there’s any justification for saying it, but like making a snide comment as an atheist, uh, is just purely, um, uh, condescending. Whereas coming out and being truly angry at someone for stuff they posted and calling them ignorant and stupid, like that actually comes from more than just haughtiness.

[00:19:51] Christina: [00:19:51] No, I would agree with that. Um, although, I mean, I think that there’s, there’s probably a certain amount of, of like, if you actually were to comment, which you [00:20:00] didn’t, I think that there would be like something you could say. Yeah, I was passionate about this and this anchored me enough that I had to actually, you know, I didn’t, I, I didn’t have self restraint.

[00:20:12] Anyway. I’m glad you had restraint because.

[00:20:15] Brett: [00:20:15] The question, uh, can God make a Boulder big enough that. He can’t lift it. Uh, it actually is part of a whole, like a logical fallacy analysis. And I really kind of want to pose it. Like, not just academically. I want to pose it to my parents because I’m curious how they.

[00:20:39] Christina: [00:20:39] They would say faith. They, they, they, they, they would have faith. I mean, that’s the answer and, and that’s, that’s ultimately the thing, right? I think that’s ultimately the thing that separates people who believe in people who don’t. And I, I grew up with faith and I grew up, you know, people who have that and.

[00:20:54] I haven’t been able to excise all of it completely from my life. Like, I, I I’m agnostic, but [00:21:00] I don’t deny that there could be some greater being out there for me though. Faith came down to a comfort thing and, you know, are you getting something positive out of this or not? And for me at a, at a point in my life and I, I chronically, I think it was with sort of the Boulder thing, cause I’d always believed.

[00:21:16] It was like, God will, I was always taught to believe and I’d always believe like, God will never give you more than you can handle. And when I was 15 years old, I had more than I could handle. And, you know, it caused this very like emo angsty on we existential crisis of me where I ended up, you know, like not believing in an organized religion and, and going through various things between like, am I full on, you know, atheist or agnostic?

[00:21:47] Or where am I, and the analysis I’ve done with it, at least in my opinion, is that. And how I’ve tried to explain it to my mom is I’m like, I don’t find comfort in this. This [00:22:00] doesn’t give me what it’s supposed to for a lot of people. I think that the faith gives them a comfort that there’s something bigger out there and that is worthwhile.

[00:22:08] And I don’t discount anybody for doing that. But if you have that, no, like logical explanation is ever going to,

[00:22:19] Brett: [00:22:19] Right. Well, and I, I’m not suggesting that posing the question would change their mind, but the very, like the basic ideas that. If God, uh, can create a bowl, if he can create a Boulder so heavy, it can’t lift it, then he’s not all powerful. And if he can create a Boulder, he’s so heavy, he can’t lift, but then

[00:22:38] Christina: [00:22:38] Right then he can’t, if he’s not doing, he’s not. Right. I mean, and I think that what, I don’t know, I don’t know what people would say. I think, because again, it’s logical policy. I think you probably have people who would say he could, but he was.

[00:22:52] Brett: [00:22:52] Yeah, I would. I just, I’m curious. I’m curious what approach they would take. I’ve probably said this before, but it was, [00:23:00] uh, I didn’t like feeling bad about masturbating as a kid, and that was enough to make me. Start leaving the church. Like it just didn’t make sense to

[00:23:12] Christina: [00:23:12] No. I mean, that makes we’ll know that. And I think that, that makes sense. Right? You, you felt guilt about something that you didn’t think you should feel guilty about. And so you evaluated like, well, should I stop this behavior? That makes me feel good. And that is natural. And you know, it has all these other things.

[00:23:27] Or should I investigate, like what is telling me that this is wrong and, and when you start asking those questions, That becomes a lot deeper. And for me, like, I was never somebody who was like, all about, like, I’d always been aware of, um, a lot of the fallacies within like the Bible and other religious texts themselves, you know, because they, they were, they were written by man.

[00:23:53] And, and so, you know, it was kind of like taught that they’re like imperfect. I wasn’t raised in the sort

[00:23:58] Brett: [00:23:58] See, I was raised [00:24:00] as a Bible literalist.

[00:24:02] Christina: [00:24:02] Right. Totally. And, and I was not, uh, although I did go to school with some people who were like, you know, super Baptist, like Bible literalist, and, and those were people that even when I was what I would consider very spiritual, you know, whatnot, I was like, not into that.

[00:24:17] I was like, okay, like, there’s there, there there’s faith, which I get. And then there’s also just like straight up, you know, like ignoring, like. Reality, you know,

[00:24:31] Brett: [00:24:31] literally is super easy to pick apart. Like it does not hold up. Uh, if, if you look at it as a bunch of parables and a bunch of kind of concepts. Yeah, you can, you can, you can explain it all the way with just faith. But if you’re saying that Noah actually had, you know, dinosaurs on an arc.

[00:24:51] And that the entire kingdom of Judah sprang up from one family that survived the flood. And [00:25:00] then within like three generations, there were 10,000 of them. Like it’s super easy to pull apart the, the kind of facts of this stories. Um, it can’t, it’s just, you can’t take it literally.

[00:25:14] Christina: [00:25:14] Well, no, I mean, and then the more you look into things about like what texts were omitted and changed and why they were and what the clergy did. And, and, and I mean, and this is not just true of Christianity. This is true of Judaism. This is true of Islam as it’s true of, um, you know, like, um, uh, Hindu, like this is true of if anything and, and it’s, but the interesting thing is there are certain like historical facts that are there.

[00:25:37] Like there was a great flood. Uh, you know, they’re like, because every religion has like references to it and, and there ha there were certain world events that happen, but it doesn’t mean that everything that was written in those, those books is, is accurate, right? Like,

[00:25:54] Brett: [00:25:54] church, they taught us, there was geological evidence for a worldwide flood that is in [00:26:00] fact incorrect.

[00:26:01] Christina: [00:26:01] right. No, there wasn’t a rule by flood, but there was a great flood, like yeah. That that’s like. I think at this point, I think they’ve historically proven that. And I think that the fact that it exists in so many different texts that are even something stuffs up that isn’t religious, like it’s proof that like, it wasn’t as all encompassing as maybe it was made out to be, but it was like a big event, right?

[00:26:23] Like that was something that it was passed down, but that has some basis, like, it didn’t just appear out of thin air, the whole, you know, arc thing. No, but. The fact that there was, you know, that, that seems like that’s something that somebody came up with as a, as an explanation for how did we survive and why are the animals here?

[00:26:42] Brett: [00:26:42] Exactly. It’s a story that was used to explain. Yeah. Yeah. Did you know there was a gospel of Judas?

[00:26:50] Christina: [00:26:50] I did,

[00:26:51] Brett: [00:26:51] you know how weird it got?

[00:26:53] Christina: [00:26:53] uh, I

[00:26:54] Brett: [00:26:54] There was this whole, I can’t remember the, uh, the kind of. The name of the [00:27:00] sect that, uh, believed this, but it, it, it kind of laid out this idea that, uh, the God that the God Yahweh was actually one of several gods and he was kind of a, a bad, a bad God.

[00:27:15] And there was a, uh, a God higher than him that could not be named. And, uh, Uh, Judas Jesus had actually been sent by the higher God to save people from Yahweh. And, um, I’m, I’m paraphrasing and trying to remember how this all went together, but there’s actually a lot of, kind of, um, uh, th things that actually made it into the Bible that seem to have come from this particular ideology.

[00:27:49] And, uh, and things were changed, uh, uh, , uh, low Elohime, uh, like, uh, there are, there are references in the [00:28:00] original, uh, Jewish texts that actually are plural gods instead of just God. And the, the shift from polytheism and monotheism was kind of. Half-assed and a lot of the biblical texts, it gets crazy. Uh, there’s so many weird things going on that I, I would be hard pressed to put them all together intelligently, but if you ever want to go down a YouTube rabbit hole, look up,

[00:28:27] Christina: [00:28:27] will

[00:28:27] Brett: [00:28:27] up like dead sea scrolls, look up the

[00:28:30] Christina: [00:28:30] Oh yeah. The dead sea scrolls stuff is the, yeah, I was gonna say, uh, the, the gospel of Judas, according to Wikipedia is a Gnostic gospel. Um, but, uh, an English translation was published in 2006. Um, and it was, um, unveiled by. Um, a team at a Vanderbilt university’s divinity school, which that’s interesting to me because a lot of times like the dead sea schools and some of this stuff comes from people who let’s just say have less credibility in religious [00:29:00] studies.

[00:29:00] Right. Uh, uh, I would say that that Vanderbilt divinity school has credibility. So that’s interesting to me that, that, um, they were, you know, like responsible for unveiling the work. At least according to this. That’s

[00:29:17] Brett: [00:29:17] I mean a lot of that stuff, you could unveil it in a very, uh, academic way. I mean, you’re talking about like, we’re, we’re revealing what one sect of Christianity believed

[00:29:27] Christina: [00:29:27] no, no, exactly. And, and that’s what I’m talking about. I’m just saying like some of the stuff, like, obviously the dead sea scrolls and stuff like that exists, but it becomes co-opted by like conspiracy theorist type things, you know what I mean? Whereas this has some academic basis, um, which, which is

[00:29:42] Brett: [00:29:42] man. Have you ever followed the, uh, Taylor Swift Illuminati means,

[00:29:47] Christina: [00:29:47] I have, I have rabbit hole, although I think the bigger one is Beyonce and the Illuminati.

[00:29:53] Brett: [00:29:53] Oh, I’ll have to look that up.

[00:29:55] Christina: [00:29:55] Yeah. She’s like, she’s, she’s like the center of it, honestly. [00:30:00] Uh, and then her whole thing too, is like, there was the whole, like the thing that she wasn’t actually pregnant with blue Ivy was part of it or there’s, there’s a lot. If you look at Beyonce Illuminati, it’s a

[00:30:13] Brett: [00:30:13] See, I was trying to work. Taylor Swift in early for

[00:30:15] Christina: [00:30:15] I know you are. I know you are. And that was, that was good. Uh, I mean the, the, I think the Taylor Swift Illuminati thing, there was a thing for a while with her where, um, like she didn’t show her belly button for a while, but then that didn’t cease to be true.

[00:30:28] And so people were like, Oh, she doesn’t show her belly button. And so that’s because really there’s some sort of portal to something, you know, like her she’s hiding some sort of lizard stuff,

[00:30:38] Brett: [00:30:38] about as much sense as Q and Anya.

[00:30:41] Christina: [00:30:41] Completely. Um, I’m going to link, uh, put a, put a link in here to the bizarre Beyonce conspiracy theory explained from Forbes because that’s what Forbes does now.

[00:30:55] Uh,

[00:30:57] Brett: [00:30:57] This episode going really well or really horribly, [00:31:00] I can’t even tell.

[00:31:01] Christina: [00:31:01] I think it’s going really well. I think it’s going really well. Also, you P we had on there, the, the MyPillow guy, which good stuff, and. Um, I noticed on Twitter that my pillow has been dropped from a Wayfair Kohl’s and bed bath, and beyond have severed ties with my pillow CEO, Mike Lindell, because of his ties to president Trump, including recent comments about a stolen election and suggestions of martial law.

[00:31:28] Brett: [00:31:28] That was kind of a big deal. And then dominion voting machines is suing him for, I assume, liable.

[00:31:36] Christina: [00:31:36] Yeah, no, totally. And the thing is like libel cases are pretty hard to win in the United States. Uh, I think this is going to be pretty easy and it’s interesting too, that news organizations, uh, primarily Fox, but also OAN and I think Newsmax have had to issue. Updates and corrections of sword on the air to prevent being sued, which is really [00:32:00] notable.

[00:32:00] Cause the thing is, is like, okay, you can go after this, this Mike Lindell, uh, guy or whatever, because fine. Um, you know, he’s got a lot of money, but he probably doesn’t have, you know, he doesn’t have like the resources of, of a, um, a news Corp, right. Um, or, or Fox, whatever the hell they’re called now, since they split off, like he D he doesn’t have Murdock money is what I’m saying.

[00:32:20] Um, but when you’re a news organization, And you have to make a correction like that to escape a libel suit. That’s really telling, like, that’s really telling, um, uh, that, that like, you’re like, yeah, we’re going to lose this, this defamation lawsuit. It’s like, okay, cool. Um, fuck that guy, man. Like, honestly,

[00:32:45] Brett: [00:32:45] I don’t. I don’t understand. Yeah. Yeah, this has been this administration and the people they have brought into the forefront of our consciousness. It’s been appalling and like, I can’t believe some of these people were [00:33:00] ever given a microphone at all. Like they don’t stand up to any test of intelligence or, or a coherence.

[00:33:12] Christina: [00:33:12] No only me. There’s sycophants and, and they’re yes, men and they’re weak, right? I mean, these are the people Trump talked about the best and brightest, but obviously that’s a lie because the best and the brightest have never accepted him. That’s been his whole Griff the whole time. Right? Like the only person in his family who for a brief period of time.

[00:33:32] Was able to achieve like mainstream Acceptibility amongst the actual Leitz was Ivanka. Right. And she’s blown that. Um, but she she’s completely, um, although people want her to run, which is scary, but I also don’t think that’ll happen. But like people are saying like, they want her to run for, uh, against Rubio, um, in, in Florida.

[00:33:55] Um, I don’t think she has any desire to do that. I think that she. Is [00:34:00] regretting like being an enabler to her dad and, and like, and I’m not saying that like she should have, you know, like completely disassociated with her father. Cause like that’s difficult. I mean, even Reagan’s kids who like, did not agree with him at all were at least, you know, I mean, he’s their dad, right?

[00:34:19] Like I think that, that, that, um, Michael Reagan was, was, you know, Might’ve actively protested against some of his father’s policies, but it wasn’t like he was going on TV, like shitting on his father. Right. Like, I can understand that how ever, um, like when you become an enabler and you become complicit with it, you can’t come back from that.

[00:34:45] But the irony I was, I was going to say though, is like, he always was, he was from Queens, right. He wasn’t even from like the good like Burroughs. He was from Queens and his dad had money, but it was new money and he wasn’t accepted by the new boat reach and they [00:35:00] didn’t like him. And, and he was somebody who.

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