218: Christini Houdini

Christina

[00:00:00] Brett: [00:00:00] Hey, Christina,

[00:00:01] Christina: [00:00:01] Hey, Brett.

[00:00:02] Brett: [00:00:02] your turn to do the intro?

[00:00:03] Christina: [00:00:03] It is my turn to do the intro. You’re listening to overtired. I’m Christina Warren. That’s Brett Terpstra. What’s going on, Brett? How are you?

[00:00:11] Brett: [00:00:11] I, so I woke up this morning, um, late, I should say I didn’t get up until like seven 30 this morning. And I woke up to a little scurrying, uh, around on my, uh, mattress or my what’s it called a dovey. And, uh, so here’s the backstory right now, while we’re getting used to this new kitten and this new kitten is getting used to us.

[00:00:38] And our new, our old cat is getting used to the new kitten. We keep them separated.

[00:00:44] Christina: [00:00:44] right? Yeah. This is what you were saying last week.

[00:00:46] Brett: [00:00:46] So the kitten has her own room and there’s a gate like a child gate on the room. And yesterday, I, I went to feed the kitten and found her sitting on top of the gate, which [00:01:00] I thought, okay, she she’s curious, but she didn’t leave the room.

[00:01:04] Uh, cats are territorial that she wants her territory. Um, and everything was fine until this morning when I realized that scurrying definitely wasn’t my 20 pound elder cat. It was either a mouse or the kitten had escaped the room. And so I looked up and saw a flasher for running, and she was kind of freaked out being in this big space.

[00:01:33] That definitely wasn’t the territory she had gotten used to. So I had to coax her out from under a bookshelf and, uh, and get her back in a room. So now the door is closed. She no longer get the, uh, The child’s gate view of the outside world. She, she needs at least another week of, uh, of separation before yet.

[00:01:56] He’s ready for, because you had went to the vet again [00:02:00] yesterday, he was walking around just peeing blood.

[00:02:03]Christina: [00:02:03] Oh,

[00:02:05] Brett: [00:02:05] cats are expensive, but he’s not dying.

[00:02:09] Christina: [00:02:09] Okay. Well, we’ll, that’s good. It’s treatable. Okay. Well that’s, I’m glad it’s treatable. Cause it’d be very upsetting if it weren’t. Um, although that cause cause cat urine has a distinct smell and I have to imagine that like bloody cat urine

[00:02:23] Brett: [00:02:23] well, so yeah, it wasn’t actually urine. Like he was, he was doing his normal business in the litter, but whatever he was walking around the house doing was really just, uh, like blood and. Clear fluid. This is gross.

[00:02:41] Christina: [00:02:41] This is gross. I was going to say, let’s not talk about this. I really don’t want to I’m grossed out. And, and I, I, I don’t, I don’t want to talk about this. Um, okay. So

[00:02:49] Brett: [00:02:49] here’s the thing though is when Yeti is, is ready to go, it will wreck me, but it will not be nearly as sad as having to [00:03:00] put Finnegan down at like nine months old. Like it will be, it will be sad but less tragic.

[00:03:07]Christina: [00:03:07] well, right? Cause you, cause he’s lived a good life and, um,

[00:03:11] Brett: [00:03:11] lived a great life. That cat has had everything.

[00:03:15]Christina: [00:03:15] Right. So, yeah. I mean, it’s well, it’s, it’s different, right? Like it’s just, yeah. It, you mourn in different ways. Like you can appreciate what you had versus like the promise of what you never got to experience.

[00:03:27] Brett: [00:03:27] So enough talk about old people and their ailments.

[00:03:30]Christina: [00:03:30] But, but escapes. So this is the interesting thing to me. Like the cat, like clever little cat, like what, like little bod is like clever to be able to get out of the baby gate.

[00:03:42] Brett: [00:03:42] Yeah, well, I mean, it’s a matter of scaling. Uh,

[00:03:47] Christina: [00:03:47] Yeah, I know. But still.

[00:03:48] Brett: [00:03:48] one that has, it’s like, um, Uh, it’s plastic, but it’s in like a chain link fence, like diamond pattern. And with, uh, with a little work in some upper [00:04:00] body strength, it is scalable. I just didn’t think she would.

[00:04:05] Christina: [00:04:05] right. No, I mean, I get what you’re saying. I know what’s possible. I’m just saying I’m impressed. And part of this is because. I’m comparing myself to my cat now, which is weird, but as like a baby, this was what I did. And it

[00:04:18] Brett: [00:04:18] an escape artist.

[00:04:20] Christina: [00:04:20] yes, actually my mom used to call me Christina Houdini. And, um, I would, well, it was a problem though, because yeah, what was a problem though, because I would escape from my, um, from basically anything I’d get out of high chairs.

[00:04:35] I’d get out of very complicated car seats. Like my mom would like take me to the baby store and like put me in the car seat and she’d be like escape. Um, you know, I, I got out of my crib really, really young. Um, and it was the same concept where basically just was able to pull myself over the bar and flip myself over.

[00:04:53] And, um, one of my parents’ friends was over and he was like a police officer and he was like, I’ve [00:05:00] seen, you know, kids break their necks or whatever, take the curve apart now. So, you know, I slept on a mattress for a long time because I wasn’t big enough to be like in a big girl bed, but I clearly was not to be trusted inside the crib.

[00:05:14] So yeah, I used to do stuff like that. I used to, you know, crawl on everything, walk on everything and yeah, I used to escape things. So I I’m, I’m definitely bonding with this cat based on this story is what I’m trying to say.

[00:05:26] Brett: [00:05:26] I, I don’t think, I don’t think I was an escape kid. I think I was more of a, like scared of the outside world kid.

[00:05:34]Christina: [00:05:34] Yeah, I w I, it was weird. I, um, my perfectionist and really didn’t get, like, it’s a weird thing. I think when I was like, sorted. Like regular public school or whatever, something switched my brain or, or something with, you know, having different, I guess maybe even authority mechanisms. I’m not sure what it was, but around the time I was like, like five or six.

[00:05:55] So then it kind of switched with me for a number of years. But when I was really [00:06:00] young, I mean, I was totally the kid who would jump head first into the one foot pool. You know, and, and would, and would, you know, just, just, you know, they call me the wild woman and, you know, I’d escaped things. I had no fear, like just didn’t care, you know, with like, you know, crawl on top of everything and, you know, figure out how to do self gymnastics and whatnot and all kinds of stuff.

[00:06:19] Just didn’t care just was like, well, what’s the worst that can happen. I guess I could like skin my knees, but that’s not a big deal, whatever. Yeah.

[00:06:28]Brett: [00:06:28] All right. All right.

[00:06:30] Christina: [00:06:30] I know. I know.

[00:06:32] Brett: [00:06:32] That’s that, that, that kind of leads into a mental health corner.

[00:06:35] Christina: [00:06:35] It does actually, it’s, it’s a, it’s a good time to go into, uh, Brett and Christina’s mental health corner. But I think it’s, Brett’s turn today. Cause we talked about my issues pin prop last week. So how are you doing

[00:06:47] Brett: [00:06:47] followup though. How, how is your mental health state after a week of, uh, of, of not being robbed?

[00:06:54] Christina: [00:06:54] Um, well, you know, a week of not being robbed has definitely improved things. Um, I’m still like [00:07:00] dealing with the insurance gobbledygook, but I, but I’ve decided to just kind of, um, take that as it comes, but now I’m doing better, you know? I mean, it’s one of those things where like the anger is basically gone, not at the apartment community, but

[00:07:14] Brett: [00:07:14] is it easy for you to do stuff like pick up the phone and call an insurance company?

[00:07:19] Christina: [00:07:19] no.

[00:07:19] Brett: [00:07:19] Yeah, me either.

[00:07:21] Christina: [00:07:21] I hate it. I hate it. It’s, it’s one of those weird things and it’s, it’s honestly, it’s a bizarre thing and that I talk for a living. Like that’s a fundamental part, you know what I mean? Like it’s a fundamental part of what I do is I talk for a living and yet things like that, I really get anxiety and just uncomfortable about, I just, I don’t know.

[00:07:41] I don’t like it.

[00:07:42] Brett: [00:07:42] Yeah.

[00:07:43] Christina: [00:07:43] like my least favorite thing.

[00:07:44] Brett: [00:07:44] There’s definitely an anxiety, like component for it, for me to those calls, but also just some kind of mental block. That like, I mean, it’s even true calling friends. Like there’s something about [00:08:00] talking on the phone that really turns my brain off and it just refuses to pick it up and dial somehow I am able to podcast no problem,

[00:08:11] Christina: [00:08:11] right. Yeah.

[00:08:12] Brett: [00:08:12] a phone call, it’s kind of out of the question most of the time.

[00:08:15] Christina: [00:08:15] Yeah, I don’t like, I don’t like the phone. It’s weird though, because I will FaceTime with people. Cool.

[00:08:20] Brett: [00:08:20] Interesting.

[00:08:21]Christina: [00:08:21] Yeah. I won’t usually initiate the FaceTime, but like if they call me, you know, I’ll, I’ll pick up or

[00:08:27] Brett: [00:08:27] No, that’s fair. That’s fair. I have like through the, the pandemic, uh, the, the people that I, I do talk to, we have moved to, uh, FaceTime and zoom calls and it is way easier. For me to video chat with someone like I still am not calling anybody, but I’m pretty open. If someone says, Hey, can we chat? And we jump on a video.

[00:08:53] Yeah. That’s way less of a block. I wonder why that is.

[00:08:56] Christina: [00:08:56] I don’t know. I’ve thought about this a lot. Um, [00:09:00] we could, we could, this could be a whole thing, so, but I’ve actually, we should come back to this at some point, cause they’ve actually given this a lot of thought about why, you know, being on the phone is this weird blocker. And honestly, my, my big kind of takeaway to be totally honest.

[00:09:15] And I hate to say this, cause I think that this is such a crutch in a lot of ways, but I do kind of blame technology. Like, I feel, I do feel like when I was a kid, wasn’t like, I liked to call strangers and it wasn’t like, I like to call, you know, stores or whatever, and I wouldn’t be able to practice and do that sort of thing, but I could do it and I would call my friends and they would call me.

[00:09:35] And I never had issues with that. But. From the time I was basically 13 years old onward. Um, most of my primary communications with people. I mean, there was a lot of phone calls, but a lot of it moved to move to text, you know, with AOL instant messenger and then SMS and then, you know, other stuff. And so my kind of thesis to be totally honest is that like, I think that for a lot of us, and I would [00:10:00] include you in this, even though, even though you’re older, I think that we’ve formed a lot of our, like formative kind of social relationships and like cues over text.

[00:10:11] Whereas voice is something. If it’s not in something where like, maybe we feel like we have control like a podcast or even something like a video call, which still feels almost texts. Like, I don’t know. I just feel like there’s. I feel like that’s a part of it. Cause it’s not unique just to us. I’ve talked to a lot of people who are younger than me who deplore the phone.

[00:10:31] And I really do think that it comes from like

[00:10:35] Brett: [00:10:35] I wonder if it’s because of these advances in technology, voice calls became something that you only did when things required. It like it was for serious situations. So in my head talking on the phone indicates like bad things are happening.

[00:10:50] Christina: [00:10:50] No, I actually think you nailed it. I think that’s probably it is that you, you get, you have these comforts in these other ways and maybe that is also why FaceTime and zoom calls and things like that are [00:11:00] easier too, because it’s a different motif. We haven’t yet gotten to that point where you have negative things happening that way.

[00:11:06] So, yeah, I think that’s probably it interesting.

[00:11:10] Brett: [00:11:10] We’d solved it.

[00:11:11] Christina: [00:11:11] We’ve solved it.

[00:11:13]Brett: [00:11:13] Uh, mentioned, just showed up in my Twitter stream, uh, from Victor from two. Uh, and it says I should talk to Titi scuff and make a song with that audio. And there’s. Uh, not a small part of me that wants to follow that right now, while we’re talking and see what we’re making a song out of, but I’m going to resist.

[00:11:32]My ADHD has been killing me for the last couple of weeks. Like I, my last mood swing, like I was having basically a manic episode a month for almost a year. And then all of the sudden it was actually right after I decided to write about my bipolar. I got stable and I haven’t had a mood swing for like going on [00:12:00] four months now and it’s killing me. Like I came to rely on those manic episodes to get shit done.

[00:12:10]Christina: [00:12:10] Interesting. And so now that you have the stability and you don’t have that, like your ADHD is

[00:12:17] Brett: [00:12:17] it’s making me very aware that my Vyvanse is not working anymore.

[00:12:21]Christina: [00:12:21] interesting. Now, do you think that it is like the amount, do you think it’s how much you’re taking, do you think it’s the Vyvanse itself?

[00:12:27] Brett: [00:12:27] Think it’s Vyvanse in general. Um, when, back in the day, uh, I used to get both Vyvanse and Focalin, which I’m told is a really bad idea in post, but my psychiatrist at the time thought they made a great combination. And honestly, I have never been. Better off than I was on the combination as risky as it may have been.

[00:12:54] I’m not going to ask to go back to that cause no, I think no modern psychiatrist in their right mind would [00:13:00] prescribe both. Yes.

[00:13:01] Christina: [00:13:01] I mean, you never know. Um, but maybe it would be one of those things where maybe you could say like, should you switch to vocal line?

[00:13:07] Brett: [00:13:07] Yeah. Well, I think I’m curious about Dexedrine, which I’ve never tried.

[00:13:13] Christina: [00:13:13] Oh yeah. That’s what I’m on.

[00:13:14] Brett: [00:13:14] I’ve also never been on plain Adderall or Adderall XR.

[00:13:19] Christina: [00:13:19] Yeah, so I’m on Dexedrine, um, um, uh, um, XR Stansel. So, which is their extended release. So that’s what I’ve been on my whole life. Um, half my life, whatever, um, weirdly I’ve tried Vyvanse two or three times and each time I’ve tried it, even though it’s the same sort of thing it has, it has not worked for me.

[00:13:42] Uh, And I’ve I’ve weirdly have had a similar thing with new vigil, whereas Provigil worked really well. New

[00:13:47] Brett: [00:13:47] Oh, totally.

[00:13:49] Christina: [00:13:49] I the same like weird reaction to new vigil each time I tried it, but I’ve tried Vyvanse a couple of times because it’s easier to get. And, um, there was a time this isn’t the case anymore.

[00:14:00] [00:13:59] But there was a period of time when it was actually really difficult to get deck stream, because I think that they, they really limiting how much of it they were making or something. And it was really hard to get. And so, you know, my doctor was like, okay, well, if this doesn’t come back into supplier or whatever, then we might have to look at switching you to something else.

[00:14:18] And so I was trying to Vyvanse and it just didn’t work. Uh, but, but fortunately, you know, the, the Dexedrine, uh, Had supply has, has been fine in the last few years. So, uh, I’m a big fan of that, but, um, I mean, it’s definitely, I don’t know how different, I’ve never taken out a role. Uh, so I don’t know how different it is from that.

[00:14:38] I mean, they’re conceptually all the same thing.

[00:14:41] Brett: [00:14:41] Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, there’s two major classifications of. Of a stimulant use for ADHD and basically, uh, w w amphetamines and, and DEC Sol methyl amphetamines. Um, and so basically the difference is Ritalin versus [00:15:00] Adderall. And like everything can kind of like Focalin is, uh, of the riddle in variety.

[00:15:06] Vyvanse is of the Adderall variety. I’m not sure where Dexedrine falls on that scale.

[00:15:11] Christina: [00:15:11] at the Adderall variety because what Vyvanse actually is is that it’s like water soluble, Dexedrine. So it’s, it actually is Dexedrine, but it’s, it’s, you know, requires, you know, the stomach acids or water solubility or whatever the hell the thing is, you know, they, they split it apart. So that, so that.

[00:15:28] In theory kids can’t snort it as easily. Um, but, uh, yeah, I mean, but, but it’s like, it’s still at the same components, so it’s, it’s definitely of like the Adderall, um, you know, like righty of, of amphetamine. Um, so

[00:15:43] Brett: [00:15:43] so we’re about to find out what happens when I go to my psychiatrist and ask to switch meds, it’ll be the first time I’ve switched meds. Since I started my current psychiatrist.

[00:15:53] Christina: [00:15:53] well, I mean, I think that that’s. I mean, it’s, it’s, it’s a good test. I mean, you need to figure it out. Um, but also, I mean,

[00:16:00] [00:16:00] Brett: [00:16:00] always the possibility she says, Oh, Nope. That’s drug seeking behavior. Now you don’t get any that’s my that’s my deep seated fear.

[00:16:08] Christina: [00:16:08] I know. And I was going to say, this is what you’re afraid of. You’re afraid she’s not going to give you anything. I mean, I think the thing that you point out is you’re like, look, this isn’t working, I’m having these things. You can mention your symptoms. Can we try something else? And I would, you know, to prevent the, the thought of drug seeking

[00:16:25] Brett: [00:16:25] Don’t make a specific request.

[00:16:28] Christina: [00:16:28] exactly.

[00:16:29] Exactly like with the new doctor. Like if it’s somebody who you have a good rapport with, I mean, doesn’t matter, but for this sort of thing, yeah. Just don’t make a specific request and just be open to whatever she’s saying. And then if she does say something that seems off, you could be like, okay, this is fine, but have we considered, I I’d read some things about this, you know,

[00:16:47] Brett: [00:16:47] Yeah. Yeah. Um, I’m not, I’m not new to, uh, to trying to get the meds I want because I am actually an addict. So I experienced with this, [00:17:00] uh, to be clear, that’s not what I’m trying to do this time around,

[00:17:03] Christina: [00:17:03] Well, that’s the thing. I mean, and it, which, which I think for you past to be maybe like the more frustrating aspect, right. You’re like, I, I’m not doing anything wrong. I promise. Like I actually don’t. Yeah.

[00:17:15]Brett: [00:17:15] What is this? Oh, okay. Sorry. I got distracted by a widget in Quip. See, I’m I’m easily distracted. That’s what I’ll tell my psychiatrist.

[00:17:26] Christina: [00:17:26] Well, I mean, that’s the thing you can, you can, you can talk about that. You’re like, look, I’m having to, even for me, I’m having to make conscientious efforts to stay on task or stay focused on the same thing.

[00:17:37] Brett: [00:17:37] So, you know what happened?

[00:17:39] Christina: [00:17:39] What’s that?

[00:17:40] Brett: [00:17:40] Taylor Swift dropped another album.

[00:17:42] Christina: [00:17:42] I know. I know. It’s so good.

[00:17:44] Brett: [00:17:44] Oh, you saw this I’m shocked.

[00:17:46] Christina: [00:17:46] Yeah, I I’m, I’m shocked too.

[00:17:48] Honestly. I can’t believe that, um, that it actually hit my radar. Um, no, I actually felt honestly, because, you know, we made, like, I made like the tiny reference to her only [00:18:00] recorded our show last week, which was Wednesday the day it actually went up and then Thursday, the next day was when she did the same thing that she did last time where she like announced like in the morning, like I’m dropping another album at, at midnight.

[00:18:12] And I woke up fairly early. But not like eight o’clock in the morning, which was 5:00 AM my time, which I guess was when she did announced it. And people were like, I’m looking for your tag. They’re like, Oh, Christina is still asleep. And I’m like, well, yeah. And then I woke up, you know, a couple hours later and, and I had a million tweets notifications and stuff.

[00:18:31] And I was like, okay, what? And, uh, my first thought was that it was like, Maybe rejected tracks that she’d recorded from the folklore sessions, but that’s not what it was. It’s like all new stuff that she recorded after folklore was already completed. And after they’d already, you know, receive the praise for it and whatnot.

[00:18:54] Um, have you listened to it?

[00:18:55] Brett: [00:18:55] all right. I’ve dabbled in it because I knew I had to for this [00:19:00] show.

[00:19:00]Christina: [00:19:00] it’s really good.

[00:19:02] Brett: [00:19:02] It’s I haven’t found the standout track yet.

[00:19:06] Christina: [00:19:06] Um, so for me, th there, there are a couple, uh, champagne problems, which is track two is really good. Um, the, the, the track, um, the final track evermore, which is another one with bone of error is really, really good. There is, um, Closure is, uh, on the album that that’s probably one of the most 1989, like songs on the record, which, uh, has a good beat to it.

[00:19:32] There are a couple of others that, uh, are a little more upbeat. I actually think the production on this one is a little more robust and is a little more open. Whereas like folklore felt very constrained and I mean, which was right, like, it was. Completely produced, you know, like remotely where, you know, he sent her the tracks and then she sent back, you know, finished stuff and then it was mixed and whatnot.

[00:19:56] Um, this one, it, there was more [00:20:00] collaboration. Like they were actually in the same space together. I think that the stuff she G she did with Jack Antonov was done separately, but, or at least some of it was, but it seemed definitely like there was a lot more open collaboration. Um, and, and so there is different experiments and definitely there’s more kind of genre.

[00:20:17] Um, like shifting like the, the, the, the song with Haim is definitely like, uh, you know, Dixie chicks, um, you know, ask, you know, country song. Um, but, um, nobody knock no, no crime, but, um, I like it. I think it’s really good. I’d actually be curious for you to listen to the whole thing and give your take. Cause I feel like.

[00:20:41]It’s still not going to be your album, cause it doesn’t have the bangers, but there are more upbeat and binary songs on this one than there were on folklore.

[00:20:51] Brett: [00:20:51] Yeah, so I never listened to whole albums anymore, which is. Possibly, uh, uh, a moral [00:21:00] failing on my part, but I’ll see how far I get through it.

[00:21:04] Christina: [00:21:04] I’ll send, I’ll send you, I’ll go back. And after this is over, I’ll send you some of the tracks. I think that you’ll like the

[00:21:10] Brett: [00:21:10] I do love bone LaVar, so pretty much anything that he’s on. Uh, I’ll I’ll give a listen to,

[00:21:17] Christina: [00:21:17] Yeah. And actually it was interesting. So evermore is a fricking great track. Like it was, I was so excited when I was listening to it, um, because he comes in like halfway through and, and, and also the, the complete, like, Uh, structured the song changes like the pace picks up and it like almost kind of becomes a different song.

[00:21:35] And it reminds me a lot of, of what Suzanne Stevens does with some of his songs where like halfway through it, like, just like, kind of like takes a turn. And it, it there’s, there’s just like this crescendo moment where he starts singing and she starts singing. And like, I just, when I was listening to it for the first time, like I posted pictures on Twitter, like my actual facial reaction.

[00:21:53] And it was one of those things where I was like, Grinning from ear to ear. Like I was so excited. Like I was almost in tears. I was just like, my [00:22:00] mind was just like being blown and it was just, it’s really good. Uh, he’s also on a track that she does with the national called Coney Island. And I believe that he does some voice work at some of the other stuff’s there’s this one track called a Marjorie about her grandmother and.

[00:22:15] No one watched, I will just say this, Hey, this song is beautiful. And I cried the first time I heard it cause I thought of my own grandmother. And then I watched the damn lyric video. No one watched the lyric video. If you don’t want to cry your eyes out, but if you want to cry, watch it because unlike the rest of the lyric videos, which are usually just like a, like a 15 second clip, kind of, you know, repeating, um, kind of like an Apple TV, um, you know, like.

[00:22:39] Screensaver or whatever, uh, where like the lyrics are, are arranged. This one is actually all like home movies of her grandmother who was an opera singer in the fifties. And, um, you know, uh, it even includes some of her opera, like voice kind of mixed into the end. And it’s just, it’s, it’s a [00:23:00] really touching tribute and.

[00:23:02] You will cry. Like I don’t care who you are. If you watch that, that lyric video, you will cry because it is at least for me, made me think about my grandmother a lot. And I was like, I don’t need this right now, but this is lovely. So, yeah.

[00:23:18] Brett: [00:23:18] so Dean Johnson will be disappointed that we talk this much about Taylor Swift already, but have you ever, you probably don’t know my friend Frank Petri.

[00:23:29] Christina: [00:23:29] I don’t think

[00:23:29] Brett: [00:23:29] he is, he’s a paraplegic in a wheelchair and no offense to Frank, but he’s a, he’s a kind of grumpy guy sometimes. Um, I’m pretty sure he started listening to Taylor Swift because of us.

[00:23:42] Christina: [00:23:42] Nice.

[00:23:43] Brett: [00:23:43] And he is almost always the first person to DMA to let me know. There’s a new Taylor Swift album, which I find, uh, endearing and, and humorous. He just, he has never struck me as the Taylor Swift kind of guy. Uh, [00:24:00] but, but he was very excited about evermore. He said it was great. Uh, pointed out, pointed out tracks.

[00:24:05] I should listen to.

[00:24:06] Christina: [00:24:06] Okay, good. Well, we’ll, we’ll take his advice for sure. Um, I’ll send you some as well, but, but take, take his first, but yeah, actually, this is the funny thing and I’m sorry, Dean, that you’re going to have to listen to more of this, but that’s, what’s sort of interesting about this. I feel like, okay.

[00:24:18] Cause we’ve been doing this show off and on for like six years and we’ve gone through like, it’s been a, kind of a Taylor Swift podcast basically the whole time. And what’s interesting is, um, I, I had, uh, a tremendous amount of like dudes, like people who are not typical Swifty guys who were really getting excited and were, um, engaging with me when the album was released.

[00:24:43] And I kind of thanked them. And a lot of them, some of them said the same thing. They’re like, listen to you and podcasts for years, I kinda got into it. But also I feel like the last two records like unfairly or not, like have, you know, um, kind of force people who. Would never want to call themselves [00:25:00] like, Oh, I don’t listen to Taylor Swift because you know, they think they’re too good for it or whatever, to being like, Oh, I can actually appreciate her artistry.

[00:25:05] And I really liked the thing she’s doing, uh, which I think is interesting that, you know, she’s reached that phase of her career where I don’t feel like there are certainly still going to be people who don’t like her because taste is subjective and that’s fine. But I feel like the whole argument of like, I can’t take her seriously as a musician.

[00:25:23] Like that’s finally gone away, which. Like in my opinion, it should have gone away when fearless came out in, in 2008, because I mean, she won album of the year for that. And that’s a good record. Like it’s a good record. And not to say that every record she’s released has been like fantastic. But, um, most of them haven’t, they’ve all had really good songs on them, but it’s interesting that I feel like now it has, it’s no longer like, even Pitchfork can’t hate on her, you know?

[00:25:51] Oh, bitches. Even Pitchfork. Like they won’t give her a 10, but they don’t give anybody a 10. You know what I mean? Like, like there, they have to like give her like good [00:26:00] reviews, you know what I mean? Like for Pitchfork. Um, so yeah, but, uh,

[00:26:06] Brett: [00:26:06] there’s, uh, in, in the discord, which you haven’t been to for awhile,

[00:26:11] Christina: [00:26:11] I know I’ll, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll, I’ll get back in.

[00:26:13] Brett: [00:26:13] in the discord, very recent posts, uh, in the overtired channel, uh, from Casey and. Uh, it’s, it’s a diagram or a bar chart stolen from the shit post diagrams group on Facebook. And it is a breakdown of Taylor Swift’s use of various swear

[00:26:33] Christina: [00:26:33] Oh, yeah, I saw this. I love this.

[00:26:36] Brett: [00:26:36] there’s definitely an increase in swearing, uh, like folklore and evermore, like more than double the number of swear words total, but it.

[00:26:45] Christina: [00:26:45] said, she, she says, she says, fuck

[00:26:47] Brett: [00:26:47] She says the most prevalent words on evermore are shit and damn, and not the most prevalent words, but the most prevalent swear words, um, fuck gets, [00:27:00] uh, far fewer uses on evermore than it did on folklore.

[00:27:05] Christina: [00:27:05] It does. Yeah.

[00:27:06] Brett: [00:27:06] less than half.

[00:27:07] Christina: [00:27:07] Yeah, I was going to say, I think, um, cause she said, um, uh, like, yeah, because fuck is in two, um, folklore songs, but it’s in the, um, chorus of Betty. So it appears more times. Um, whereas I believe the only time it’s mentioned in evermore is in the song, um, uh, uh, Champagne problems, which is beautiful, um, where she like sings a thing about like, you know, she would have made such a lovely bride if she weren’t so fucked in the head, they said, um, and it’s kind of a great lyric, uh, but she doesn’t, you know, do the same.

[00:27:46] Uh, she doesn’t say it as often in this, certainly not in the chorus, like, um, it is in Betty. Um, and like it is in, um, Mad woman a couple of times, but she says, but there is a song I think it’s Ivy, [00:28:00] uh, might, might be wrong where goddamn is like in the chorus. And so I think that’s why Dan is so prevalent.

[00:28:05] Brett: [00:28:05] I think they should have separated damn from goddamn because I feel like they’re technically two different swear words,

[00:28:10] Christina: [00:28:10] I agree. They are, they are. Um, and I actually, now that I think about it, I think that was my, that is my only problem with that breakdown.

[00:28:17] Brett: [00:28:17] I knew I knew Catholics growing up, that would say damn, but you would not say God damn.

[00:28:23] Christina: [00:28:23] Oh, I mean, okay. So I wasn’t raised as a Catholic, but my mom was like a lapsed Catholic who then became an Episcopalian. And so I was definitely raised to never take the Lord’s name in vain. Like you said, gosh, you never, and yet you could say damn or damn it, but you never said goddamn, right? And, uh, that was certainly one of those things that I started seeing God first, but it wasn’t until I think, like I rejected, organized religion that I actually finally started to say goddamn, um, or

[00:28:52] Brett: [00:28:52] pretty much the re the number one reason to reject Christianity in general is so that you can say like Jesus and [00:29:00] God damn. I think that’s, I think that’s true.

[00:29:04] Christina: [00:29:04] I mean, I think that it’s certainly, there’s a thrill in it that if you grew up, with that, it’s a taboo. Like it’s not the reason to leave. I’m not saying that, but there is like a certain thrill that you get. W you know, you, even, if you don’t leave, if you’re just, you know, a kid who was like, Oh, this is, this is taboo in a way that other words were not like, honestly, I feel like taking the Lord’s name in vain was more taboo than saying motherfucker.

[00:29:29] Brett: [00:29:29] sure. Well, and for some reason asked as an asshole, like asshole is far more, um, dirty than saying ass to say you’re an ass, you know, because it almost has biblical, like you’re referring to someone as a donkey. But asshole, that’s a whole other meaning

[00:29:53] Christina: [00:29:53] yeah. Well, they’re different. They’re different insults. Yeah. I don’t know. It’s weird. I always thought it was interesting that on TV. You know, [00:30:00] you can say ass or asshole. That’s almost never bleeped asshole. Sometimes his ass never

[00:30:05] Brett: [00:30:05] it’s usually asked bleep.

[00:30:07] Christina: [00:30:07] yeah, but, but bitch is always okay. No matter what the context bitches always.

[00:30:12] Okay. And that’s always, that was always something I remember, like noticing that as like a small child and being like, okay, what’s up with this? You know, and like picking up on the misogyny, even though I didn’t know exactly what it was. And probably by the time it was 10, I realized I was like, Oh, okay, I get it.

[00:30:28] So we can call women bitches because they’re women, but asshole is always going to be bleeped. And some of these other things, like, you know, aren’t, aren’t allowed because those are. You know, usually like, not primarily, and they’re not even gendered in the same way because a woman can be an asshole too, but it, it’s definitely more like, um, you know, like, like son of a bitch, maybe that would be a thing where maybe you would see people treat that, you know, more strengths strongly, but I don’t even think that gets bleeped just because bitches.

[00:30:58] Okay.

[00:31:00] [00:30:59] Brett: [00:30:59] Yeah, no, I think son of a bitch is such a like 1950s swear word

[00:31:05] Christina: [00:31:05] Oh, totally. My dad, my dad would say that my dad would say that.

[00:31:08] Brett: [00:31:08] shit on CBS all the time. Now they say shit on star Trek discovery, which is just weird to me.

[00:31:15] Christina: [00:31:15] Yeah, well, that’s not, uh, Aaron broadcast. So that’s why,

[00:31:20]Brett: [00:31:20] I see

[00:31:21] Christina: [00:31:21] they don’t, they don’t air that on broadcast. So that’s why they can say it. So with the stuff you see on the CBS, all access is not the same as what they do on the, um, you know, like network. You technically can say those words is just.

[00:31:32] Brett: [00:31:32] just advertisers. Really? There’s no FCC regulation that says you can’t swear.

[00:31:38] Christina: [00:31:38] Yeah. I mean, there are certain things where like, if you say you will get fined, if you say like shit, or if you say fuck on, um, prime time. But, uh, like there was one weird thing. I think that Bano in an award acceptance speech said fucking it wasn’t bleeped in an acceptance speech and. They were initially going to be fine.

[00:31:56] No, it was overturned because apparently the context in which he said it was [00:32:00] not the same thing, whereas there’ve been other instances where they don’t believe it out and people say it like, you know, people, they can get fined now on cable. That’s where the difference is. So you don’t have to be on HBO, like premium cable to be able to say all the words is just advertisers.

[00:32:14] Like you say, but that’s why effects. And then FXX, uh, you know, it’s always sunny and some of their other shows was really the first to kind of push the boundary line and be like, Okay. Our advertisers know what this is. And we, for syndication purposes, can’t say these things and we’ll have to bleep them, but we will let the show go ahead and just go balls out and say all the stuff that, that you know, they would want to, we would normally say on HBO.

[00:32:40] Um, but there are certain standards for broadcast still that are slightly different than basically on cable. Anything goes, it’s just. HBO and the showtimes. And what other reason they’ve usually been allowed is because as you said, advertisers, they don’t have them. So, uh, they don’t have to worry about that.

[00:32:57] Brett: [00:32:57] Speaking of advertisers. [00:33:00] Oh, I,

[00:33:01] Christina: [00:33:01] Such a good segue.

[00:33:02] Brett: [00:33:02] cued tha