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Brett

[00:00:00]Christina: [00:00:00] Welcome back to overtired. Uh, I’m Christina and I’m here with Brett. How are you Brett?

[00:00:06] Brett: [00:00:06] You’re you’re way better at intros than I am. I like, I start the intro and then I just blank because I’m used to doing the like systematic intro where it’s just me. And then I’m like, Oh, I have to incorporate another person into this. And then it comes out all awkward and weird. And we just keep it, like I could go back and rerecord that, but I feel like this show is all about.

[00:00:29]Christina: [00:00:29] is I honestly, I think that people that are our loyal listeners, who’ve been listening to our, like, although we’ve actually been like on a very good schedule, uh, but in very consistent, but. Our listeners who have followed us through the last six years of, um, sporadic recordings. They, I feel like they would be bothered if it were too edited and too professional.

[00:00:56] We have other podcasts for that.

[00:00:58] Brett: [00:00:58] I’ll be honest. Like there are [00:01:00] times that we say things that are so wrong or so offensive that I do edit, like, and I’m sure neither of us goes back and listens to the shows. So you’ve probably never noticed the things that I’ve decided were not for public consumption. Um, But now that we’re recording, uh, this is Tuesday morning.

[00:01:19] We’ll be publishing Wednesday at noon. So I don’t really have time anymore. So whatever happens here happens,

[00:01:28] Christina: [00:01:28] shit.

[00:01:28] Brett: [00:01:28] but we are, we are recording in the morning because we decided maybe we’re actually morning people and, uh, and let’s see what happens.

[00:01:36] Christina: [00:01:36] Yeah, no, I mean, here’s what I’m discovering. So we were recording these on Saturdays and that was going okay. It was going better than I thought it would just be totally honest. I think I only played out like twice and, uh, and we had to reschedule and I sleep most weekends. So. That was actually pretty good, but what I found when we’ve had to record earlier for our schedules, for whatever purposes, [00:02:00] if I have to wake up at five 30 and I hate waking up early, uh, but if I wake up, you know, around five 30, six o’clock so that I can be ready to record this.

[00:02:07] Cause we record this seven, my time I am, I come to the show, I’m like full of ideas. I’m ready to go. My sweets on Twitter are really good. Like when I wake up, I’m like, I should be, I should be a morning person, but I’m not a morning person yet. It’s so much more beneficial. I get so much out of it when I actually wake up early.

[00:02:28] But yeah, no.

[00:02:31]Brett: [00:02:31] Aye. Aye. I don’t know, I like to stay up all night, but it happens more often when I’m manic and, uh, but the hours between like, uh, maybe two and five are definitely my most productive. If I get up, if I sleep well and then get up at, say four 30 or five, I, I need like two hours to actually, um, [00:03:00] be social.

[00:03:01] Like, I’m good. If I get right to work, I can send tweets and everything. But if you try to talk to me until I’ve had like an hour, just kind of sit with the news or whatever I decide to occupy my morning with, um, I’m not, uh, I’m not on the ball. It takes me like 30 seconds to respond to anybody who actually says words to me in the morning.

[00:03:24]Christina: [00:03:24] yeah, I’m kind of the same way. And so that’s, I think why, like, if I can wake up. I kind of get my bearings and tweet about video game nostalgia and other bullshit and kind of, you know, catch up on, on the news and whatever terrible things are happening to the world, then it’s like, I’m, I’m better. And I’m like, okay, I’m, I’m ready to go.

[00:03:46] But I’m also like you, other than the manic part. But I really do love staying up late. Like that’s kind of the Genesis of this show to be totally honest, right? Like it’s over tired. That’s sort of our brand, but [00:04:00] I am recognizing, and I’ve, I’ve noticed this before, but it’s really just becoming clear to me that I think I’d be more productive.

[00:04:06] I’d be healthier. I’d probably be happier if I was able to shift my body clock so that I actually was up early every day, but in a perfect world, I would, you know, probably. Sleep from, I don’t know, 6:00 AM to 11 or 12, you know,

[00:04:26] Brett: [00:04:26] I, uh,

[00:04:28] Christina: [00:04:28] six to one. I don’t know.

[00:04:29] Brett: [00:04:29] my, like, because I don’t have a day job and haven’t for years, um, I kind of, even when I did, I was a remote worker and had a bit of a flexible schedule. Um, I’ve always just let my body decide when to sleep. And my sleep schedule shifts very regularly right now. If left to my own devices, I sleep until like eight in the morning, which is unheard of for me in my life.

[00:04:56] Usually my body clock gets me up around six [00:05:00] and something, something shifted now. I’m, I’m actually sleeping, uh, like from 9:00 PM till 8:00 AM. So I’m getting like 11 hours of sleep.

[00:05:10] Christina: [00:05:10] Yeah, I

[00:05:11] Brett: [00:05:11] apparently I need.

[00:05:13]Christina: [00:05:13] either you need it or it becomes too much. I don’t know. Like we were talking last week about how we all have vitamin D deficiencies and I feel like that’s probably part of it. And I also feel like the lack of social interaction and just being around people in general, as well as just like the fear and trauma happening has impacted all of us.

[00:05:33] Cause I also find myself sleeping more, which is, I think at first it was a good thing. And then I’m like, Oh no, this actually isn’t. I don’t, I don’t need this. So

[00:05:42] Brett: [00:05:42] Yeah, I am definitely like if I sleep 11 hours, then I’m tired all day.

[00:05:48] Christina: [00:05:48] exactly. That’s the thing, like, there’s like a, there’s like a balance. It’s kind of like, I know you don’t drink anymore. I don’t know if you remember this. Cause it’s been a really long time since you drank, but there’s

[00:05:57] Brett: [00:05:57] It’s been a year. Let’s be honest. It’s been a [00:06:00] year.

[00:06:00] Christina: [00:06:00] Okay. So. And I don’t even know, we might’ve talked about this on the pod before, but there’s this thing where you get really drunk and you kind of pass out from exhaustion and then you wake up like three hours later because you got to go to work or you got to go to class or you have to give a presentation in a foreign country, whatever the case may be, not speaking from experience of any of these things she says, um, and you wake up and you just feel like completely like.

[00:06:30] Those three hours were like hardcore sleep. You’re like, man, as long as I’m still not drunk when I wake up, which sometimes is the case, I feel like I can take on the world, you

[00:06:41] Brett: [00:06:41] Yeah, well, my alcohol metabolizes to sugar as you, uh, as you sober up. So you get this, um, uh, very, uh, sugar, sugar driven awakeness, which happens even if you don’t have it, even if you don’t have to get up. If you pass out drunk, you will usually wake [00:07:00] up three to four hours later, uh, feeling quite aware, uh, sometimes with a headache, but often, often after just three to four hours, you’re still a little bit drunk too.

[00:07:10] You still have alcohol in your, in your system. So it, it curves the immediate withdrawal symptoms that you get after a heavy night of drinking.

[00:07:19]Christina: [00:07:19] Makes sense.

[00:07:20] Brett: [00:07:20] See if, if you study alcoholism long enough, You get really good at it. So we promised that we promised to talk about this crazy command line utility called N B,

[00:07:33] Christina: [00:07:33] yes.

[00:07:34] Brett: [00:07:34] which I am pretty sure it stands for like no to Ben a, the, like when in, uh, like news articles or our, uh, academic articles, they put NB and then a note, it means like note, well, But they don’t actually say that anywhere on the page.

[00:07:54] So I’m just making an assumption there.

[00:07:56] Christina: [00:07:56] Yeah, I have no idea. I, I found this, I think that I [00:08:00] saw it on, on hacker news to be totally candid. And which is where I find some cool projects, to be honest. Like I, the, the, the site is actually really, really good as a repository for that, uh, comments, whatever I got into a whole thing yesterday with some people because okay.

[00:08:16] You know, um, YouTube, um, dash DL. Utility. Okay, well, get up, received a DMCA, take down.

[00:08:23] Brett: [00:08:23] Kind of, he was a DMC on the surface, but yes.

[00:08:27] Christina: [00:08:27] yes. I mean, it is, it was about it wasn’t maybe issued correctly or whatever, but, but the, the, the, the TLDR for, you know, listeners who don’t want to get into the nitty gritty of how that whole thing happened was that the repository has been taken down, uh, down, at least for the time being.

[00:08:44] And, um, and frankly, like I love the project, but I was also kind of like you idiots, you, you put the links in the stuff in the test file and I realized you needed this to be there, but could you not have stored the test file [00:09:00] someplace else? Like seriously, like this, this, this just cause honestly this does ruin right?

[00:09:05] Uh, love the arguments for all the reasons why it could be used for non-infringement purposes. Uh, which there are many, however, as I said, like on hacker news, I was like, okay. I get that there not infringing use cases. We can all do that. It’s a really important tool having said all that, it seems really disingenuous to me for everybody to be claiming, Oh, I’ve only used this to download things that I already own, or that are in the public domain or that are, you know, um, you know, creative commons license.

[00:09:34] And I’m like, okay, you’re fucking liars. No, we all use this to infringe. On copyright, we might not be distributed in it. W I might personally think that the laws around that stuff are completely bogus and messed up. I might think the terms of service are complete bullshit, but I know what I’m doing and I’m not distributing it, but I’m like I’m using this to download content that in many cases, explicitly is not meant for me to [00:10:00] download.

[00:10:00] In many cases is not owned by the uploader. And in many cases, like would not, uh, you know, the, the creator wouldn’t be comfortable making available to download and that the service like doesn’t allow you to download easily if they wanted you to do it, they would. So I just made this comment being like, can we all just protect, stop, pretending, like we don’t use this program called YouTube DL to download YouTube videos.

[00:10:27] Like, can we just like. Get rid of that. And of course, everybody in the comments is like, well, no, actually I do only use it for these purposes. And I live in this country. So I’m not beholding to these rules. I’m like, actually you kind of are like that, that doesn’t really mean that you’re still not infringing, just because you live in Russia or wherever.

[00:10:44] Like it’s still a, uh, a us company that it’s, that the stuff is being hosted on. And you’re accessing Khan from a us website. So like, I’m not saying like, nobody’s going to get arrested for any of this anyway, like at most you’d be fine and you’ll be fine for [00:11:00] distribution. Uh, not for, for simply downloading.

[00:11:02] They’re not going to go after anybody. They just want to, you know, try to make this harder to get off the internet. But anyway, that’s my hacker news. Tangent, the comments are terrible, but I find really good projects. So in B

[00:11:13] Brett: [00:11:13] as an aside, as an aside to that tangent as a tangent on that tangent, there’s an app and it’s in set up called Downey. Yeah. Downy is quite good for, uh, we’ll say, gathering video content, um, from just about any.

[00:11:31] Christina: [00:11:31] it, it it’s, it’s, it’s a really good Mac GUI on top of YouTube. DL is basically what it is. Um, and there, there are a couple of other like programs that try to do that. Downey is probably the best that I’ve seen. And I don’t know if he exclusively uses YouTube DL. I think he does. Um, or if he. Add his own stuff to it, but it’s a really, really good app.

[00:11:49] What I like about that one too, is that it has like a, uh, uh, a web browser kind of built in if you need to use, like, do like a Salinium style kind of [00:12:00] like scraping thing for different sites. Yeah.

[00:12:02] Brett: [00:12:02] Yeah. Do you think the, you think the YouTube DL down will affect Downey?

[00:12:07] Christina: [00:12:07] Um, yes. Uh, if, if they, if updates. Okay. It will in the insofar, as it depends on if the YouTube DL dev team like the contributors, if they can find another place to either collaborate privately or on a service that is not hosted in the United States, like some people have mentioned get tea, which I believe is Chinese and, um, uh, some other, uh, services then as long as the binary can be.

[00:12:37] You know, like found it. I think Downey would be fine. The issue is, is the reason that YouTube is updated frequently is that YouTube changes stuff works and that’s what they have to adjust for. So if there are no updates to YouTube DL, then yeah, I do think Downey will be impacted unless Sam, I believe that’s the guy’s name, unless he has been doing his own work and contributions and [00:13:00] understands the intricacies enough that he could patch.

[00:13:02]I kind of doubt that. Um, but I, I don’t know my thought though, is that this is going to be one of those situations. Like we’ve seen with other, you know, uh, tools that are designed for valid reasons. And frankly, even if it’s invalid, I’m still in favor of it where it’s going to be a game of whack-a-mole to try to get it off the internet.

[00:13:24] But as long as the people who are the core contributors, aren’t scared off of contributing. I, I, this isn’t, I mean, get is, is just, you know, by, by nature, it’s, it’s, um, you know, de-centralized and distributed and so it can move to someplace else. Like they’ve already updated their website to have the binaries be directly available to download.

[00:13:45] Um, but obviously any of the issues and the documentation and all that stuff has gone. But, um, yeah, I, and, and who knows maybe, maybe they’ll fight the, the, the take-down notice. I’m not really sure, but.

[00:13:58] Brett: [00:13:58] Well, based on, uh, [00:14:00] some of the lawyer and, and paralegal input on, on, uh, Twitter. I think they have a case for, uh, making an appeal to this, but.

[00:14:11] Christina: [00:14:11] I think, I think they do my fear though. Genuinely is it? It’s the fact that they had the infringing URLs in the test suite. Like that’s the thing that’s going to be. Almost impossible to overcome. And that is a thing that has successfully gotten like sites and companies and other stuff shut down before, because it shows any sort of lack of faith.

[00:14:34] Like you could make these kinds of tenuous kind of arguments. Otherwise when it’s in the test file, that’s. In that repo, that’s really tough. Uh, that said even if GitHub doesn’t host it and doesn’t want to be like, look, we don’t want to take on this liability. We don’t care. And, and get lab would be the same way.

[00:14:51] And like, get lab is basically owned by Google. I, I love it. People try to pretend like they’re independent. It’s like, uh, no. Google [00:15:00] gave them a shitload of money and host all their infrastructure. Uh, so that hardly seems like Google would, would want, you know, to host this thing, that circumvents, um, one of their, their products.

[00:15:14] Uh, but, but get lab also has a as basically the identical DMC, uh, process as GitHub, but they could self hosted on either a self hosted get, um, get lab instance or. Another thing somewhere. Um, and again, like as long as the core developers, aren’t afraid of people going after them. And I don’t actually think there’d be anything that they could be charged with or whatever.

[00:15:39] Then I think it’s just a game of whack-a-mole, but we will wait and see, but sorry, that was, that was a

[00:15:46] Brett: [00:15:46] Yeah, no, I, I extended it. That was partly my fault.

[00:15:50]Christina: [00:15:50] but, but, but, uh, uh, although I’m glad we talked about this because I did actually want to mention the YouTube DL thing. Um, yeah. So in B, when I saw this and [00:16:00] I was like, Holy shit, did Brett make this?

[00:16:05] Because it looked so much like something that you would make.

[00:16:10] Brett: [00:16:10] Here’s here’s the summary and B as a command line, note-taking bookmarking, archiving, and knowledge based application with plain text data storage encryption. Filtering and search, get back versioning and sinking pan doc back conversion global and local notebooks. Excuse me, customizable color themes and sensibility through plugins and more all in a single portable user-friendly script.

[00:16:34] And as I mentioned previously, the whole thing’s a bash script, which is insane to me.

[00:16:39] Christina: [00:16:39] amazing. It’s so good. Like it’s. It’s it’s, it’s really, really nice. And it has like, you know, command line support for visual studio code and VIM and Emacs and, and text made and Mac down and a bunch of other things. Um,

[00:16:54] Brett: [00:16:54] What, and it, it hooks a bunch of well-known command line utilities, uh, [00:17:00] uh, to, to do what it does, but it brings them together in a way that actually makes. A really complete, uh, kind of note-taking and bookmarking system. And it can work with, you can put like MP3 files into your notebook and it will use an appropriate player to preview and, uh, and, and search them by file name and everything.

[00:17:25] So it’s really, it’s Evernote for the command line.

[00:17:29] Christina: [00:17:29] Yeah, exactly. But it kind of made me think about, and I’ve never used org mode. I have to be totally honest here, but I’ve seen like videos and, and we’ve talked before. Like I’ve always been intrigued by it, but I’ve never used it, but it kind of looks like org mode. If it was designed by someone who had good design and since

[00:17:45]Brett: [00:17:45] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:17:48] Christina: [00:17:48] You know, cause that’s the thing it’s, it’s command line, but it’s elegant.

[00:17:52] Like it’s really well done, which is rare. And that’s why I thought of you. Cause I was like, this is the sort of shit that you do. Like you make really [00:18:00] elegant solutions, whether they’re command line or Apple script or, you know, gooey or like whatever, like you’re really thoughtful about the stuff that you build.

[00:18:07]Brett: [00:18:07] And with the help of Penn doc, it can, you can export your, uh, uh, markdown notes as word documents. And like the get versioning is awesome. Like every time you add a note, it’s automatically versioning and, and, uh, keeping repos and your notebooks can be in different locations. So you can sync via Dropbox or whatever you want.

[00:18:32] It’s nuts though. The read me is like a hundred pages long. It’s pretty well written.

[00:18:39] Christina: [00:18:39] It is really well written. Actually. It’s very well written, like, and I think that it’s, I mean, it’s, you know, one person, uh, primarily from what I can tell, and I don’t know, I just, I just saw this and I was just like really, really impressed. I was like, You know what, like, well done, this is awesome.

[00:18:56] There there’s like, you know, plugin support for, for themes and for [00:19:00] some other, you know, um, stuff like, I don’t know, I was excited to show this to you and I’m really glad that you’ve played with it.

[00:19:08]Brett: [00:19:08] Do you want to aside recommendation,

[00:19:11] Christina: [00:19:11] I do

[00:19:12] Brett: [00:19:12] um, have you seen Octa tree, the plugin for Chrome and Firefox?

[00:19:18]Christina: [00:19:18] know.

[00:19:19] Brett: [00:19:19] It gives you a sidebar on any good hub repo that gives you, uh, like tree based navigation. So you can jump between any file in any subdirectory.

[00:19:29] Christina: [00:19:29] Oh, I am adding this to edge right now. Nice.

[00:19:35] Brett: [00:19:35] Oh yeah. It’ll work on edge too. Um, yeah, it is super handy if you’re exploring a GitHub repo and just want to jump from plugin slash Rubo cop YML to. To your test suite or whatever? Um, yeah, this, Oh my God. This, uh, NB has, uh, like 50 test suites in it.

[00:19:58] Christina: [00:19:58] Yeah, no, I’m looking at this now. I just [00:20:00] installed that extension. That’s crazy. And also like looking at like how big, like the, the gym file is even just for, for the, for the documentation.

[00:20:09] Brett: [00:20:09] Okay.

[00:20:09] Christina: [00:20:09] Like it’s actually like it’s, it’s, uh, that’s interesting. Um, that’s cool.

[00:20:15]Brett: [00:20:15] Yeah, the optional dependencies.

[00:20:17] Christina: [00:20:17] Oh my God, that the tests.

[00:20:19]Brett: [00:20:19] But the recommended dependencies are pretty short bat pan dock RG, which is rip grip, a TIG, which is, uh, a good extension. And w 3m. And then there’s a whole list of like also supported ones, but it’s actually a pretty considering everything it does. It’s a pretty small dependency list and it actually works if they’re not really dependencies their recommended, uh, dependencies let’s see required, dependencies are just bash and get an, a text editor.

[00:20:54]Christina: [00:20:54] I love it so much. Like well done too. I think that the main person does is his name [00:21:00] is William melody and a big fan William like nice, nice work. Um, yeah.

[00:21:08] Brett: [00:21:08] Yeah, I guess, I guess that’s enough. Um, uh, raving about it. Anyone who has developed a sudden curiosity or to whom this would be of interest. Uh, check the show notes for a link, uh, to the get hub repo for this it’s, uh, it’s worth checking. Even if you want to use an amazing app like NV ultra for your notes, uh, this is still absolutely worth seeing, uh, worth, worth being in all over.

[00:21:39] Christina: [00:21:39] and, and I mean, it can conceivably, you could set like NV ultra to be like the note app that you would use, like as your text editor in place of the other ones they have. Right.

[00:21:49] Brett: [00:21:49] Um, yes, it would take a little work because envy ultra doesn’t accept. It’s not a text editor. Uh, it, it opens [00:22:00] folders.

[00:22:01] Christina: [00:22:01] okay.

[00:22:01] Brett: [00:22:01] And then at files within folders. So you could have a notebook where NBA ultra was pointed at the same folder, and you could use it to edit your notes, but you can’t, uh, there’s no command line like NBA ultra this file.

[00:22:15] It opens folders

[00:22:17] Christina: [00:22:17] he’s opening a folder and then you’re creating the file from there. So you can’t just like create a file

[00:22:21] Brett: [00:22:21] that that said it does have a URL handler that you can invoke on, uh, directly on files. Within any given notebook. So you could write a CLI to incorporate it. In fact, now that we’ve said this, I probably will.

[00:22:40] Christina: [00:22:40] Yeah. Okay.

[00:22:42] Brett: [00:22:42] So we talked last week about, uh, a charming little show called Ted lasso,

[00:22:49] Christina: [00:22:49] We did.

[00:22:50] Brett: [00:22:50] and I believe you’ve finally, finally caught up with the rest of the world and finished the series.

[00:22:57] Christina: [00:22:57] I have, and in fairness to me, because we [00:23:00] recorded last week’s episode, like four or five days, like before, like went out or whatever. So it was one of those things where I had some, some other time anyway, I watched and I think it was actually two episodes. We talked about it. I watched the first episode. I really liked it.

[00:23:13] Binge watched the whole thing. Right. You could not have been more correct. Best show on TV. I think I even tweeted like that. It was like the only good thing to happen in 2020 best show of the year. Wow. Like I, uh, I like watched it a second time. Like it, it feels that good place hole in my heart.

[00:23:37]Brett: [00:23:37] Yeah. So. Um, the overall, uh, the overall plot, I, I feel like it left a huge opening for a season two, which I’m really hoping for. Uh, I don’t know.

[00:23:51] Christina: [00:23:51] it. They’ve already

[00:23:52] Brett: [00:23:52] Sure. But I’m worried about production, uh, unless you, unless TV shows start creating [00:24:00] a sports league style bubbles, uh, production’s going to be pretty slow.

[00:24:05] There’s a show. There are a couple of shows now that are like zoom based shows. Um, there’s one called staging that did not hook me after the first couple episodes, but there’s another one and I’m forgetting the name of it and I’m forgetting what network it was on. I’ll find it later, but it was basically, uh, a soap, not a soap, like a sitcom, I guess.

[00:24:30] Where all of the characters are connecting over zoom and it’s kind of, they’re like quarantine life in quarantine, which is appropriate. Like we can all relate to that right now. Um,

[00:24:42] Christina: [00:24:42] didn’t. Totally can. It’s just, I don’t know. It’s like, that was a fun episode of modern family when they did that whole thing on, you know, FaceTime and it was fun. I think that when they did do a zoom thing of, of, um, you know, Blackish or whatever like that, it, you know, that’s like fun as a one-off.

[00:24:57] I feel like it is hard to [00:25:00] carry that as a concert, do a whole show because part of the point of television is that you have multiple angles. And, you know what I mean? Like, even if you’re doing just the typical, sit-com where you have like three swing sets and four cameras, you know, you still can cut between those shots.

[00:25:18] So

[00:25:18] Brett: [00:25:18] And I don’t know about everyone else, but while I can heavily relate. To life happening over zoom. I really wandering to escape from life happening over zoom. I w I want to see life as normal.

[00:25:32] Christina: [00:25:32] I was going to say, that’s the secondary thing, right? Is that like, it was fun at first. Maybe not fun, but you’re like, Oh yeah, it’s just like us. And now I’m like, yeah, I don’t want to be reminded of this reality anymore. So yeah. I mean, that’s a good point.

[00:25:44] They have renewed Ted lasso. I have a feeling that it’s been successful enough and that, um, as long as, I mean, what are people going to do? Like. I get it, as long as they’re paying out their contracts and this doesn’t, if this isn’t go on like [00:26:00] indefinitely, I don’t feel like it should be at risk, especially since they film in a country that well, not doing super great is doing better than we are in the United States.

[00:26:11] So that’s at least, you know, kind of a heads-up. I think the other thing is I feel like they held it back because the show clearly was filmed before the iPhone. Um, 10 S max, it even came out because, because of the phones they were using, they were not using like the latest phones. So I like the iPhone 11.

[00:26:33] They weren’t using those. So I feel like, so it was filmed sometime in 2019, but before the new phones came out, so. I felt it felt to me like maybe they decided to hold it back, knowing that, okay. It might be another year before we can release more episodes. So I mean, if that’s the case, like, you know, they released it in August, 2020, if they’re able to get back in production before August of [00:27:00] 2021.

[00:27:01]Then that would, that would align with what they want to do. But yeah, no, I, I, I know we’d talked about it before, but I just, I watched the whole thing. I watched it again. It’s a really, really good show. And one of the, I read some stuff about it and it was really interesting. No, because it was based on these, these NBC commercials, which we talked about and.

[00:27:26] There’s no reason why the show should have worked and should be as good as it was. Cause like, you know, I read something that compared they’re like talking about how there was a sitcom and it’s true. It was called caveman based on those, those Geico caveman ads, like so easy, a caveman could do it like ABC, actually, I believe it was ABC.

[00:27:44] Maybe it was Fox, you know? Commissioned a sitcom. They only aired two episodes. I think it was terrible. And it was like, why would you, you know, because you’re like, why would you make a TV show based on an ad? Like, why would you do that? And, [00:28:00] and Ted lasso is so easily could have been, that is so easily could have been like, okay, there’s kind of one-off joke thing.

[00:28:06] And just, there’s no way that this can be sustainable. Right. But it pivoted, it, it like went to the left when you were expecting it to go in another way, by making the character really earnest and good and making the characters really complex in ways that you didn’t expect. And I don’t know, it’s one of the few bright spots that, uh, that I think has happened this year.

[00:28:31] And so I thank you for introducing me to it. And, uh, for any of the listeners who haven’t seen it. It’s definitely worth it. I mean, I would spend the $5 just for a month of Apple TV, plus just to binge it, uh, if you can’t find it other ways, but I mean, to me, it’s like shows like that. Like if Apple TV plus can continue to have enough shows like that in the morning show and some other things, I think that they like will [00:29:00] be able to make the case that it’s worth what they’re charging for it.

[00:29:03]Brett: [00:29:03] Well, and that was our new segment. Uh Christina’s must watch TV. Do you do, you know, do, Oh, first of all, uh, my filler TV show for the last week has been Frazier. Like the w the one that I watched when I just need a half hour show and then off to bed, Frasier has held up surprisingly well, like, like for a while I was trying how I met your mother.

[00:29:28] That show did not hold up.

[00:29:30] Christina: [00:29:30] we were talking about that. It is problematic. It

[00:29:33] Brett: [00:29:33] altogether, too much rape in that show. Um, but, but Frazier it’s, as funny as it ever was, I’m still laughing out loud and, uh, it’s, it’s a little bit hilarious to see all the in the coffee house, all the nineties, like grunge aesthetic, but no, it’s still, it’s still stupid, funny, but.

[00:29:54] Do you know what the most effective, this is? Personal opinion. The most effective [00:30:00] ad campaign on TV right now is

[00:30:02]Christina: [00:30:02] uh, no

[00:30:04]Brett: [00:30:04] mutual. They they’re they’re stupid ads like they’re stupid ads. Yes. But you get this song stuck in your head. So you remember you remember this stupid ad? Uh, that they’re, they’re funny.

[00:30:18] I’m not gonna lie. I, I, they crack me up a little bit. But, uh, but then they make you shake your head because you laughed at something so dumb, but then the jingle is perfect. Like the most addictive jingle since like state farm. Um,

[00:30:35] Christina: [00:30:35] ha ha. Well, okay. Have you ever heard the Seleno and Barnes a jingle?

[00:30:40] Brett: [00:30:40] have not.

[00:30:42] Christina: [00:30:42] Okay. I guess it’s just like a, a tri-state area thing, but there are these lawyers, um, SNL even did it. They they’ve, uh, since their partnership broke up and actually one of the guys just died, like in a plane crash, I was really sad, but they had this, this as Lino and Barnes injury attorneys, [00:31:00] 108, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight. And, and, but they like run those ads in New York, like all the time. And so, but it’s, but it’s, it’s, it’s just kinda like the Liberty thing, like you’re exactly right. It’s it’s like, or the state farm ads, you know, like a good neighbor state farm, like it’s just one of those jingles that we’ll never, uh, get out of your head.

[00:31:19] And like the fact that they, like, you know, Seleno and Barnes in Jovia tourneys 188, eight, eight, eight, eight. And it’s just like,

[00:31:28] Brett: [00:31:28] Well, first of all, they got the, they got the perfect phone number.

[00:31:31] Christina: [00:31:31] Oh, yeah, no, they paid, I think, cause they eventually got one eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight, eight. And they spent like, I spent like a couple million dollars on it.

[00:31:39] Brett: [00:31:39] Your ad campaign could be like, just dial eight.

[00:31:42] Christina: [00:31:42] basically I think that’s what they were really kind of wanting to do. Um, I’m going to have a link, uh, we’ll put in the show notes that New York magazine wrote this incredible story about. The breakup of, um, the new York’s, uh, it’s called, um, injured, bruised egos, gobs of money, and the [00:32:00] bitter feud that took down Seleno and Barnes new York’s absurdly ubiquitous accident law firm.

[00:32:05] And this was written like, I don’t know, a week or two before. Uh, one of the guys died in, uh, in, in, uh, a plane crash that he was like piloting, which is really sad. Um, but because when they announced that they were breaking up, like, New York people. Like we freaked out because we were like, Oh my God, how Selena and Barnes can’t break.

[00:32:26] It was, it was like when, uh, um, you know, um, uh Hoefler and, and freer Jones broke up. It was like one of those types of moments. And, um, anyway, but the article. In New York mag, it’s fantastic. Uh, highly recommended for anybody to read. Also I will once again, give the shout out to my favorite service that I have no affiliation with.

[00:32:46] Well, I wish I did called autumn, which the New York times now owns, but, uh, I was a subscriber of long before that, which does long form. And now some shorter form, like, like news articles and from magazines and [00:33:00] newspapers read by professional narrators. So it’s, uh, like you have the best. Like audio book readers, reading the articles and they read the, um, this particular piece and it’s like an hour long.

[00:33:13] Listen. It’s really good.

[00:33:15] Brett: [00:33:15] All right.

[00:33:15] Christina: [00:33:15] Um, so

[00:33:17]Brett: [00:33:17] Awesome. Um, yeah, we should have a segment on our favorite commercials because I feel like when our least favorite I’m so sick of progressive ads.

[00:33:26] Christina: [00:33:26] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I, I, I, okay. Here’s the thing though, like, I cause I’ve noticed this over the years, like the insurance industry is kind of what keeps is like sort of what

[00:33:36] Brett: [00:33:36] Totally, totally. Yep.

[00:33:38] Christina: [00:33:38] Like, like, like, cause we were talking about

[00:33:40] Brett: [00:33:40] Everything we’ve mentioned and farmer’s insurance and progress it. Yeah,

[00:33:44] Christina: [00:33:44] We are farmers. Don’t also agree. Shingle,

[00:33:47] Brett: [00:33:47] it is. It is. But it’s got one too many debt does for me to ever really remember it.

[00:33:54]Christina: [00:33:54] yeah, you’re right. But, but it’s still, we are farmers. Yeah. But, but like that’s good. Uh, what [00:34:00] was the, what was the one that had, uh, that had ma that had mayhem? Um,

[00:34:05] Brett: [00:34:05] who was that?

[00:34:06] Christina: [00:34:06] that’s Ryan, um, uh,

[00:34:08] Brett: [00:34:08] I love that actor.

[00:34:10] Christina: [00:34:10] Yeah. Yeah. Meet you. Uh, Dean winter, Dean winter is his name

[00:34:13] Brett: [00:34:13] Yeah. I don’t remember which, but it was again insurance

[00:34:17] Christina: [00:34:17] Yeah. Uh, yeah, Dean winter mayhem. I’m

[00:34:20] Brett: [00:34:20] and then Aflac.

[00:34:22] Christina: [00:34:22] yeah, Aflac, the duck, um, Allstate was,

[00:34:26] Brett: [00:34:26] Yeah. Yeah. And what’s in your wallet. Like that was, that was a great campaign. Anyway.

[00:34:33] Christina: [00:34:33] yeah. It is. It is, it is interesting, right? Like, Oh, in flow, we can’t, we can’t like talk about these things without like,

[00:34:40] Brett: [00:34:40] Has run her course. She was amazing. She was possibly the most iconic

[00:34:46] Christina: [00:34:46] a great, she has totally run her, her course. I could not agree with you more, but I do still have to give her a shout out because like she gave us many, many years of good ads, like way more ads than, than she ever should have. [00:35:00] To be totally honest, like at this point we’re, we’re like 15 years in like, okay. She’s, it’s, it’s it’s bad, but it was very good for way longer than it

[00:35:11] Brett: [00:35:11] Well, it’s funny that a lot, these campaigns are at a point where they’re almost becoming meadow. Like they are referencing. How old their characters are the Aflac duck, the Geico gecko, uh, flow, uh, the what’s in your wallet guy. Like they’re making references to their own, uh, kind of ubiquity in their commercials now.

[00:35:35] And very few of them are really like progressive is trying to expand their cast, but it’s not, they’re not coming up with another flow. It’s not happening yet.

[00:35:48] Christina: [00:35:48] Yeah, no, I, I think that’s interesting and I wonder why. Well,

[00:35:52] Brett: [00:35:52] I do like this, go ahead. Sorry.

[00:35:54] Christina: [00:35:54] no going,

[00:35:55] Brett: [00:35:55] I was going to say, I do like the new at and T girl.

[00:35:58] Christina: [00:35:58] I like the new at and T [00:36:00] girl as well. She’s really good. She’s been like the first person in a long time. That’s been a thing. Although the way that she gets harassed online is disturbing. Uh, she, she’s not online. To be clear, which is incredibly smart of her. Like stay off the internet at and T girl, like do not go online, but no, but I like her qu