209: Failure to Excel

Brett and Christina-1

[00:00:00]Brett: [00:00:00] Oh, I guess you’re doing the intro this week, Christina.

[00:00:03] Christina: [00:00:03] Yeah, I guess so. So I’m Christina Warren. Welcome to over-tired. How are you, Brett?

[00:00:09] Brett: [00:00:09] I’m a, I am finishing off a oat milk cappuccino. I found an oat milk. You can actually froth and foam. And I’m getting really good at making them so, um, pleasant and warm on a rainy day.

[00:00:25]Christina: [00:00:25] Very nice. That’s very nice. Uh, I am in typical, like this is classic overtired form because I have not slept and I am not only about to have a busy day today, but tomorrow I have. A stupid day where I have to basically do most of my regular work today. I’ll have a couple of hours maybe in the afternoon, and then I have to do for an internal event.

[00:00:52] I have to do one of those overnight hosting things.

[00:00:55] Brett: [00:00:55] Do you drink coffee?

[00:00:56]Christina: [00:00:56] Um, yeah, [00:01:00] but

[00:01:00] Brett: [00:01:00] What, what gets you through a day like today?

[00:01:03]Christina: [00:01:03] Dexadrine.

[00:01:05]Brett: [00:01:05] Pharmaceutical speed. Of course.

[00:01:08] Christina: [00:01:08] Yeah. I mean,

[00:01:10] Brett: [00:01:10] Um, so I, uh, you’re not a coffee person at all. Right.

[00:01:14] Christina: [00:01:14] I mean, I drink it. I just am not like, it’s not like a thing that, like, I don’t have one of the, like, I don’t have to have it. You know what I mean? Like I enjoy it if it’s there, I’ll drink it, but I usually not going to go out of my way and make it or anything. No.

[00:01:26] Brett: [00:01:26] Well for our listeners, I want to tell them about crema.co. Um, it’s this service. I don’t remember how he found it. It was probably an Instagram ad, uh, which I’m a sucker for. I hate that. Um, but it’s this, this site that sends you every day. You set the interval, but I have it every two weeks. They send me a new coffee from a playlist that I pick and they have a whole S whole interface for helping you find the coffees that you most [00:02:00] want.

[00:02:00] And they source from a bunch of different, uh, roasters. And I have found since I started using it three new coffees that are better than anything copies that I’ve ever had before. So I feel like it’s worth sharing. I have an affiliate link. That’ll be in the show notes. And the deal with that is anyone who uses it gets $5 off each of their first four orders.

[00:02:24] And I don’t get any money unless you keep going after four orders. So this isn’t about me. This is about me wanting you to find really good coffee and save yourself some money.

[00:02:36] Christina: [00:02:36] It’s also about you because you want them to really enjoy the coffee. So they keep saying, uh, subscribe so that you can, um, rise up the pyramid and this weird multilevel marketing, uh,

[00:02:48] Brett: [00:02:48] I get, I get, I get $20 one time for anyone that keeps a freaky, keeps going.

[00:02:53]Christina: [00:02:53] awesome. I’m just teasing. I know that this isn’t quite a, um,

[00:02:58] Brett: [00:02:58] It’s not at all. It’s just a [00:03:00] goddamn affiliate link, Christina.

[00:03:02] Christina: [00:03:02] I know, I’m just, I’m, I’m making fun of you. And also the way, the way that they have it structured is very MLM. Like, but I know that this isn’t an MLM. I’m just making fun

[00:03:10] Brett: [00:03:10] The

[00:03:10] Christina: [00:03:10] but no, I mean, this sounds great.

[00:03:12] Brett: [00:03:12] ones that drive me nuts are like, there are affiliate links that I feel dirty using, uh, that are very much, they, they feel too much like marketing and I, I can’t think of any off the top of my head cause I just don’t use those. But there are some that really try to get you to pimp out your social media accounts.

[00:03:38] Just to make a few cents it’s anyway, some, if it’s a company I really support and I really like the product and they offer me an affiliate link. I’ll share it, but I’m always open about it being an affiliate link. Can’t be sneaky about those things.

[00:03:53] Christina: [00:03:53] no agreed. And I mean, and honestly the good programs will like kick you out. If you’re not like Amazon will do audits. They actually did an [00:04:00] audit on me recently and I hadn’t even done anything. And it was just one of those random audit things. And they’re like, send me all of your ELLs, wherever you use stuff.

[00:04:07] And I was like, here’s my Twitter account for the one time a year. I with disclosure. Share affiliate links of sales. I find on black Friday.

[00:04:17] Brett: [00:04:17] My Jekyll blog automat automatically detects Amazon affiliate links in my posts and adds their standard disclaimer to the post.

[00:04:25] Christina: [00:04:25] See, see, that’s good stuff.

[00:04:27] Brett: [00:04:27] always do that on Twitter, just because I use the Amazon shortened URL. And I don’t always think about the fact that it’s an affiliate link. So I’ve made that mistake.

[00:04:40] I just send the shortened URL for the sake of sending a shortened URL.

[00:04:44] Christina: [00:04:44] Right. Although, I mean, I think that it’s one of, yeah, Twitter’s a weird one. Cause it’s like, you don’t have a lot of room to disclose, like the didn’t affiliate link is there because you’re limited to 240 characters. So I don’t

[00:04:55] Brett: [00:04:55] Do you remember 120 characters?

[00:04:59] Christina: [00:04:59] you mean [00:05:00] 140?

[00:05:00] Brett: [00:05:00] when we were kids.

[00:05:02] Christina: [00:05:02] I do.

[00:05:03] Brett: [00:05:03] man. Those were the stone age.

[00:05:06] Christina: [00:05:06] I know. I know. And then, then, and it’s two 80.

[00:05:08] It’s not two 40 is two 80. I know. There’s the stone age when we were well, I mean, I remember when I first was on Twitter that you could actually, you know, tweet from SMS, uh, you know, just sending to four Oh four Oh, um, four or four, zero four, zero, I guess it was. And, uh, Which was always fun for me. Cause my area code on my phone number is four Oh four.

[00:05:32] So, um, but yeah, like I would, I would SMS tweet from time to time and

[00:05:38] Brett: [00:05:38] There were so few people on Twitter back then we used to use Twitter. I was running an ad agency at the time and we would use Twitter just to have like out of office messages. And I had a little screen set up on the door. So you could tell where all the employees were at any given time or where they said they were anyway, I wasn’t tracking anybody, but.

[00:05:58] Christina: [00:05:58] No, right. Well, what was so funny is [00:06:00] that for the first like, you know, year or so, there was like just the, the feed of all the users. There was just like, The live feed of just everyone, you know? And, and, and that was how you would discover people and how you would be discovered. I know that that’s how a lot of people found me, um, was just through and I found people that way.

[00:06:20] And, and that’s so weird to think about that. Something was that small, that there was just this, you know, like, you know, just open feed of everybody on the platform. Um, and, uh, now. I don’t know. I mean, it would be, it would, it would move so quickly that I don’t even know what that would look like, but yeah, exactly.

[00:06:43] I’m assuming that’s why they got rid of that at a certain point. They’re like, this just doesn’t make sense anymore, but it’s, it’s fun to remember.

[00:06:49] Brett: [00:06:49] Well, they added the trending section so they could curate, I mean, basically that’s what trending is. It’s the, uh, the curated version [00:07:00] of the entire feed.

[00:07:01]Christina: [00:07:01] Yeah, the problem with trending is, is that, you know, it takes a while for stuff to show up and then the curated stuff can be out of date by the time you see it. So it’s good. Yeah. But it’s also, especially if it’s like really, you know, time oriented, which a lot of them are sometimes by the time you see it on trending.

[00:07:19] If you’re not watching trending all the time, then you’ve like missed something because you’re like, Oh, well this happened six hours ago, you know?

[00:07:25] Brett: [00:07:25] I follow, I follow a Bach detector account and I can’t remember what it’s called right now, but. When stuff trends, it does, uh, uh, audits to see how many of the tweets come from suspicious accounts. That’s always enlightening. When you find out that like half of the half of the accounts that made a topic trend are actually Russian bots.

[00:07:51] It’s very enlightening.

[00:07:52] Christina: [00:07:52] Yeah. I mean, well, and the thing is, is that even beyond like, obviously like the, the Russian interference, I mean, I even know. For a long time, you know, got [00:08:00] Mashable. Mashable was back in the day known as, you know, the premier social media first kind of sites and, and was a publication that really got its start by being really early on a lot of the social platforms and building credibility, both in articles that would write, you know, for PE giving people like tips on how to do stuff, but also just being an early adopter itself.

[00:08:21] Like we were really, really good at that stuff. And. We, you know, um, long time there was like a, uh, you know, like a tweet meme button that then became like the official Twitter button that would show how many shares his story had. And within a few seconds of us sharing a story out on our main account, it would have, you know, 40, 50, maybe a hundred, you know, shares or retweets.

[00:08:45] It’s just like almost instantly. And the reason that happens spend was because there were going way back. There were people who would just set up their, you know, certain like, uh, you know, kind of pro bots. They weren’t

[00:08:58] Brett: [00:08:58] networks. Yeah.

[00:09:00] [00:08:59] Christina: [00:08:59] Exactly to, to just go ahead and automatically reshare and retweet anything that we had.

[00:09:04] And like, that was just, this wasn’t anything that like, I don’t, I don’t think it was anything that Pete like, engineering specifically. I don’t think he obviously told people to stop, but I don’t think it was anything that he like purposefully, like wanted people to do, but it was just something that continued and it got to the point that.

[00:09:20] As the site changed and shifted its direction. A number of times while I was there, that was still something that happened. And I would have to kind of explain to people who didn’t have like the background. I didn’t remember. Cause like I remember when mashville started, I didn’t work there, but I remembered when it started and I might have to kind of explain that I was like, no, there’s this whole network of just nonexistent people who will automatically reshare and retweet stuff.

[00:09:47] And that’s how we can get this volume. And. Certainly it helped us, uh, with certain things, like we would be part of the trending hierarchy, so to speak, you know, versus other things, just [00:10:00] because the number of people who would be, you know, giving our stuff, lift versus me, be someone else, then Buzzfeed kicked our ass on every single level.

[00:10:08] Uh, and, uh, you know, um, which. A game, what game? Game respects game, right? I’m not, I’m not gonna, like, I’m not gonna, I’m not mad at it, but, uh, they, they dominated Facebook in a way that we never did. And the nominated, like the, the way that they would do sponsored kind of content in a way that we never did.

[00:10:27] And they, they just saw it and they also just had more money and, and raise money earlier. And they just kicked her ass, frankly, they were just better, but there was like, there was still like a, a. Old vestige. It’s gone now of like, you know, people who would automatically retweet Mashable stuff, like regardless of what it was.

[00:10:48] And you could always tell because they would, they would use like hashtags for some of the various tags and the posts and stuff. I was like, Oh, I see how this has been set

[00:10:55] Brett: [00:10:55] I got,

[00:10:56] Christina: [00:10:56] be one of those

[00:10:56] Brett: [00:10:56] I got ed mentioned in one of those, you know, like [00:11:00] these sites that write stupid word, press articles, and then promote the hell out of them. On social media. I got at mentioned in one of those, like a couple years ago. And I still get flooded with their bot retweets. It’s annoying, by the way I found this, uh, this bought Sentinel is the Twitter account.

[00:11:19] I follow, uh, it’s at bought Sentinel and, uh, it basically just keeps track of all the bots and, and how they affect trending traffic. So if you’re curious, it’s a fun, fun account to follow

[00:11:34] Christina: [00:11:34] Hell yeah.

[00:11:35]Brett: [00:11:35] speaking of bots. Seems like a health corner. God, I’m good at transitions. Segues are kind of a, I would say I don’t want to hero might be a strong word, but, um, right.

[00:11:48]I’m missing yoga to record this this morning. I skipped yoga and do the thing with indoor classes right now is they’re very [00:12:00] space limited. So when I skip it actually means that someone else can go, there’s like a waiting list to get into these classes. And I go for free because I live with the yoga instructor.

[00:12:13] Um, but she uses me as a foil. I sit in the front row right in front of her, meaning any spit and, and her breathing while she’s teaching class, I absorb, which is fine. Cause we, you know, Uh, isolate together. Um, but when I’m gone, that means that somewhat, if someone wants to take my spot, they have to risk that added risk of being in front of someone who is, you know, breathing heavier than usual and, and deeper.

[00:12:46] And anyway, I, I, it’s a mixed, it’s a mixed bag is what I’m saying.

[00:12:53] Christina: [00:12:53] well, I thank you for your sacrifice and, uh, I think your, your partner for her sacrifice and [00:13:00] also, you know, the person who’s getting to go to yoga today, which great for them, but also, uh, guests. They didn’t know what they were getting in for. They’re like, well, the good news is you get to go to yoga. The bad news is you, uh, you’ll be closer than maybe normal to the instructor.

[00:13:19] Brett: [00:13:19] See the thing is though, um, like L works for, um, uh, home and community options and she works with developmentally challenged and, um, by nature of very vulnerable. Crowd. So her daily, she she’s out working, but she wears a mask and a face shield and they avoid contact between the employees. They don’t know, they can’t take breaks at the same time.

[00:13:49] There’s like all these protocols in place. So as far as yoga teachers go, she’s probably one of the safest you could have breathing on you.

[00:13:58]Christina: [00:13:58] well, that’s good.

[00:14:00] [00:14:00] Brett: [00:14:00] Weirdly, they don’t let us bring blocks. We can bring our own mats, but we can’t bring blocks. This is a studio rule that we are, we are protesting. This should be overturned.

[00:14:10] Like what’s the difference. If you bring a block and you’re the only person who touches it and the block leaves with you, how is that increasing the risk of infection? You tell me, tell me this. How is that? It’s just not fair.

[00:14:24] Christina: [00:14:24] No. I mean, honestly, I would think that a mat would be. More susceptible

[00:14:29] Brett: [00:14:29] Totally. Cause your face is going to be on it the whole time.

[00:14:33] Christina: [00:14:33] Well, your face is going to be on a bit also, like you don’t have any like, like if you’re bringing your own math and you don’t know where it’s been before, you don’t know, you know how often it’s been cleaned or disinfected or whatever, you know what I mean?

[00:14:45] Brett: [00:14:45] I do.

[00:14:46] Christina: [00:14:46] in contact with the mat, I mean, you do, but like the other people in the studio don’t yeah,

[00:14:50] Brett: [00:14:50] It’s. Yeah. I mean, it would be the same as a block though. I mean, well, except you’re not, you’re not generally breathing on a block is to me the difference.

[00:15:00] [00:15:00] Christina: [00:15:00] Well, right. No, but this is my point. Like, I’m not understanding like the difference here, because in either case, like, I don’t know. Yeah. I’m with you. I feel like you should do make it consistent. Yeah. If you’re going to block the blocks, then the block, the mass.

[00:15:13] Brett: [00:15:13] So next health corner topic.

[00:15:16] Christina: [00:15:16] Yes.

[00:15:17] Brett: [00:15:17] I, so I stayed out on my like bipolar swings and I’ve actually been stable for longer than, uh, than my stable periods have lasted over the last few months. So fingers crossed doing well there, but that I’ve realized I, I, when I’m stable is when I realized how ADHD I am. Like, you don’t think about it when you’re manic or super depressed.

[00:15:43] But when you hit that stable point and realize you still can’t get work done, it becomes very apparent that you are a, you are, you are also ADHD. Dual diagnoses are fun.

[00:15:55]Christina: [00:15:55] For sure. For sure. Sure. Yeah. No, that’s a similar thing with me, although I don’t obviously don’t have to [00:16:00] like the mania swings, but there are times where I’m like, Oh yeah, the ADHD is really bad right now. Hmm.

[00:16:07] Brett: [00:16:07] ask, should I ask to try Dexedrine? I’ve never taken Dexedrine.

[00:16:12]Christina: [00:16:12] Um, okay. So if you’ve had Vyvanse, it is Vyvanse, but without whatever the module is that they give Vyvanse so that you can’t sort it. So, but it was, here’s the weird thing I’ve tried Vyvanse, I’ve tried it twice and maybe three times and each time I’ve tried it, I’ve had like a bad reaction. It just has not worked for me.

[00:16:34] It’s just been this weird thing, whereas Dexedrine does. Um, but. I don’t know if there is anything. I mean, I think that’s just a weird thing with my body. Um, and it’s, it’s the sort of thing where it’s been the same reaction each time and I’ve done it over the course of years. And it’s one of those things where I think the second time, like I’d even forgotten what, the reason I hadn’t gone on at the first time.

[00:16:55] And then I was like, okay, Oh, yeah. Now I remember I’m new [00:17:00] vigil is the same way. There’s just like a weird, a thing that it does that Provigil didn’t do. I don’t know. Um, Dexedrine is good and if you can get access to it, it’s great, but it’s not demonstrably different than, uh, Adderall, I don’t think. And it’s, it’s just, you know, Vyvanse that could be theoretically abused.

[00:17:18] I’ve never used

[00:17:19] Brett: [00:17:19] Goal. I’ve just found that, uh, that

[00:17:21] Christina: [00:17:21] Oh, I know.

[00:17:22] Brett: [00:17:22] Vyvanse has always been because, because my paperwork says that I’ve had problems with addiction in the past. It’s easier for me to get drugs that are, uh, abuse resistant. Uh, people are more likely to give them to me, but it’s been 20 years since I was hooked on anything.

[00:17:44] Um, And, and I think they’re, they’re forgiving enough. They let me try, um, conservative for a while.

[00:17:51] Christina: [00:17:51] Yeah, I was going to ask. I was, I I’ve never done consider I think, uh, I think granted, but I’ve never even considered it. I’ve actually, other than my. Four ways with w with [00:18:00] Vyvanse a few times, I’ve just always been on Dexedrine. So, but it’s been for me, it’s just been one of those things. I’m like, well, this works well enough.

[00:18:06] Uh, you know, and, and I have, like, my shrink has told me, I think that we’re going to talk like next time we talk, we might look at some other options, but in general, I’ve, it’s been one of those things where I’ve just kind of been like, well, Don’t rock the boat. You know, like if it works, it works that said there are still times.

[00:18:25] It’s not like it’s perfect. There are still times when I’m like Holy feeling ADHD, even without even taking the medicine. But it obviously is, is significantly better than when I’m not on it. So

[00:18:36] Brett: [00:18:36] Yeah, no, I, I, I can still get, I can still get myself to focus when I have the Vyvanse in a way that I definitely can not without it. So, um, it’s better, better than nothing. Have you tried Nova yet?

[00:18:53] Christina: [00:18:53] I have, I was part of the beta and then I bought it to support, um, uh, panic. Cause I love panic. [00:19:00] Um, I like that. It’s a native editor.

[00:19:04] Brett: [00:19:04] Talk about this. Cause I remember we went off on a, we went off on a V of a visual code tangent.

[00:19:12] Christina: [00:19:12] we did. Yeah. We talked about it a little bit and I, at that point, I don’t know if you would use it

[00:19:17] Brett: [00:19:17] I still haven’t. I’m still curious if it’s worth me trying out.

[00:19:21] Christina: [00:19:21] I mean, I think you should try it.

[00:19:23] It’s pretty, I don’t know my issue with it right now. There are a couple of things. One, the, you know, the extension, um, library is just it’s, it’s

[00:19:33] Brett: [00:19:33] it’s in its infancy.

[00:19:35] Christina: [00:19:35] It’s definitely as an infancy. And the thing is, is that I think that they could do certain things that would potentially like if they would do a thing that would like if they would create like a way to easily convert a vs code extension.

[00:19:51] Into a Nova extension. I’m not saying open vs code extensions. Like that would be ideal, but I don’t think they would want to go to that model. And that would probably help at [00:20:00] least, you know, the process of reporting over some of those things, especially extensions that are, are open sourced and are licensed under the GPL or, or, or, you know, another, um, you know, uh, copyleft license that would allow that sort of thing.

[00:20:13] Um, but you know, I think the issue is, is that it’s just like, You’re so behind and that’s okay. There is a marked two extension that someone broke

[00:20:23] Brett: [00:20:23] Yeah, guy just contacted me last night about that.

[00:20:27]Christina: [00:20:27] Which is cool. And there are some, you know, language things like I have some stuff that’s installed. Um, I have, um, uh, uh, prettier.

[00:20:35] I have, you know, go extension a dot ENB extension. One for Docker files. Uh, one for TypeScript, one for view. Um, you know, a lot of your stuff is there, but some of the other things that you’re going to do just aren’t, I will say one of the things that’s frustrating to me is that the process of getting to like load from your profile is more common Plex than it should be in terms of your [00:21:00] different settings and what not for your terminal stuff.

[00:21:01] Like, I understand why they have that set the way that they do, but it’s, um, I don’t know. It’s, it’s, it’s more complicated than perhaps it should be, um, in terms of getting like your, your, your shell kind of customized. Um, but, um,

[00:21:19] Brett: [00:21:19] I’ll just say, I don’t know, trust pretty text editors. That’s like the one thing I don’t need a protects editor to be as pretty. And also when I first started using textbook, the first time I opened it up, I didn’t know what to do with it because I was used to pretty text editors. And once I got totally into text mate, ever since then, I kind of expect the text mate aesthetic from whatever I’m working in. Which is why sublime texts and I get along so well.

[00:21:50]Christina: [00:21:50] Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, and I think that, I mean, that’s one of the interesting things about vs code that was really smart is that they did actually make it easy, at least for themes and for some other stuff, like they actually [00:22:00] had like, um, I S I think it’s a, uh, There might’ve been a note thing, but it was, might’ve been Python.

[00:22:06] I remember what, but there’s like a way a conversion process where you could convert like a text made extension, like a bundle into a vs code, uh, extension. Cause I did that a couple of times with some things early on with my vs code stuff. Yeah. And, and, uh, you know, they accepted, you know, the, the texts make themes, you know, made it, made it easy to convert those over and whatnot and kind of, you know, used a lot of those formats, which I thought was smart because it was like, yeah, go, go with what.

[00:22:30] Exists for the community, you know, because sublime had adopted that as well. So obviously like what the, how code extensions now work is different, but like the process of bringing your old stuff over was pretty good. Um, and, um, a lot of people really liked Adam. Um, I thought Adam was pretty, but it never was really a big fan of it to be honest.

[00:22:53] Whereas, whereas vs code, I do really enjoy. You know, and now that’s just kinda my, my, my default that I use [00:23:00] for everything. And part of that is also because I can do stuff for work. With visual studio code that I wouldn’t be able to do for Nova without a term, this amount of work. And it wouldn’t work the same way.

[00:23:13] It’s the same thing. Even for sublime, you know, stuff that, uh, you know, the Azure plugin and, and the way that some of the remote stuff works and the way that it can just access my various resources and create things awesome. And I wouldn’t be able to do that without a lot more dedicated work.

[00:23:30] Brett: [00:23:30] Code is the first electron style app that I’ve ever, uh, seriously considered.

[00:23:37]Christina: [00:23:37] Yeah, no, I mean, I think that I we’ve talked about this before many, many times over the years, but that team has worked really hard. Like it’s not perfect of course, but I think that they’ve done as much as they can as anything else to make it as native life of an experience as possible. I mean, and, and in, in fairness, you know, um, Sublime isn’t native eater, you [00:24:00] know, it’s, uh, it’s, it’s not a native Mac

[00:24:03] Brett: [00:24:03] It still works with all of my system services and everything though.

[00:24:06] Christina: [00:24:06] Yeah, totally, totally. And I mean, and that’s something that obviously is going to be not something you can, uh, although you can do, you can do, um, services with code, um, yeah.

[00:24:15] Brett: [00:24:15] that, that, that that’s a selling point for me.

[00:24:18] Christina: [00:24:18] Yeah, you can do services there. And they’ve actually recently just updated the settings menu to be even more accessible for stuff.

[00:24:24] What is nice about it? Which you would appreciate is obviously they’ve made it pretty now, but if you want to edit your settings, you can actually just edit a Jason file or you can go through, you know, the, the, the gooey sort of interface, which,

[00:24:39] Brett: [00:24:39] I, I like codes gooey. I like the way that you can edit a Jason file and like you can load up the. A default settings and then just click a little icon and it copies the default setting into your custom files. So there you can, you can edit it then that’s super handy. Um, [00:25:00] anyway, so you’re you, you still haven’t joined the discord.

[00:25:04]Christina: [00:25:04] I’ll do it this week. I promise. I’m

[00:25:07] Brett: [00:25:07] Here’s an, here’s an example of what you’re missing. Um, Harold Dena, Harold, Chris, Harold, posted these, um, fast food, key caps and

[00:25:18] Christina: [00:25:18] I’m looking at this. It’s amazing.

[00:25:19] Brett: [00:25:19] yeah, so there’ll be a link in the show notes for anyone who’s not deigned the discord worthy of their time yet, but it is a key cap set that is a 3d. Food court. Basically the space bar is like a six foot subway sandwich

[00:25:40] Christina: [00:25:40] Yeah,

[00:25:40] Brett: [00:25:40] and there’s like a big Mac and fries and tacos and pizza.

[00:25:47] It is completely unusable.

[00:25:50] Christina: [00:25:50] completely. There’s like an Altoids tin of her for one of the modifier keys. I mean, it is, it is fantastic. There’s one. I don’t even know what it is, but it looks like it’s like an [00:26:00] open styrofoam box of some sort. Yeah, this is completely unusable, but it is

[00:26:04] Brett: [00:26:04] Well, there is a video underneath it, of it. Here’s a typing test of the food keyboard and you can see the person who made it to, um,

[00:26:15] Christina: [00:26:15] she’s awesome. Uh, good for her like this, this person that this is a tiny kid cap maker person who I’m now going to follow on Twitter. Cause this is just, I’m just a big fan of this. Um, Yeah, I love that she had, I love that she had to add this as like a caveat, a couple things. It’s an art project, not a board to type on regularly.

[00:26:36] I mean, you can, but it’s hard. You know, highest I hit was around 50 words per minute, which that’s way faster than I ever would have anticipated on this. And she was like, this took me almost an entire year. You know, suggestions came from tick tock comments. And lastly, you know, she puts in some for other things, but the fact that should have put that caveat there.

[00:26:55] All the, I just can’t I, this girl who take talk, she [00:27:00] must have had so much people like being really excited. And then on Twitter, you know, you know, that it was like the well actually nerds, like, and they’re all men, they’re always men who we’re like mansplaining to her, how this was bad and how this things shouldn’t be a thing.

[00:27:16] And it’s like, Bitch. This is an art project. She knows. Shut up. You can’t build this, you can’t do this shut up. Like you don’t need to tell her this. Like, um, yeah, I got in and the person meant well, but I was, I made some sort of, kind of like joke about something, um, last week and. I was I, yeah, I was making a joke about something and I, I was referring to SQL colloquially the way that one should.

[00:27:48] And they were like, well, actually, you know, SQL is the language. And what you’re referring to is like a RD. Um, you know, uh, um, a BS, like seriously, I’m aware, don’t like, explain [00:28:00] this to me. This is a joke. And like somebody jumping into my DMS to explain like shit to me that I’m like, Oh my God, do you, do you really need to do this?

[00:28:09] Do you really need to.

[00:28:10] Brett: [00:28:10] as a female developer and I’m forgetting the Twitter account now, but at one point she posted the, a joke that most of her tweets are like developer jokes, but she posted this one. It was an image of a very long if then L statement, uh, for determining if a number was even or odd. So it would be like, if number equals two I’ll, if number equals three, I’ll save now.

[00:28:37] And she posted it and clearly a joke, but it was probably a year ago she posted it and just last week, she’s like, I still get people sliding into my DMS to explain like mod module operators and whatnot to me, modulars.

[00:28:54] Christina: [00:28:54] and you’re like, eh, she’s like, right. Like, that was why it was funny. That this, this was why [00:29:00] I did this because it was funny. Um,

[00:29:02] Brett: [00:29:02] you feel like you’re being helpful. You’re also being obtuse.

[00:29:07] Christina: [00:29:07] well, that’s exactly it. It’s like the thing is, is like I know the person, like who, you know, slid into my DMS and, and was, you know, explaining something to me that did not need explaining. I was like, I, I aware that this is. Someone who is trying to be nice and I’m not going to come down to part on this. I know that the intent is good, but at the same time, it was the most eye-rolling thing that said there have been a couple of times where someone, someone has like slid in and they’ve been like, so you use this word incorrectly. I’m actually completely fine with that because if I did use it incorrectly and if, I didn’t know, especially if it’s one of those like weird grammar thing, cause I’m usually really good with the grammar and the vocab. But if I’m. Wrong on it. Like, I want to know, like, I’m not, I’m not, I’m not upset to be corrected if I’m wrong or, and I’m actually right.

[00:29:51] Very happy to have people like teach me new things. What bothers me is when something is clearly a joke and then someone’s like, can’t [00:30:00] grasp the concept of humor. Or it sounds like not to the extent that, that, um, this, this girl did, but I had definitely had, um, you know, senses where people take great links to explain my own jokes to me. And I’m like, I’m yeah, I know it was really clever. Wasn’t it? You’ve spent all this time deconstructing this, but, um, that’s, that’s why I wrote what I wrote anyway. It’s just, yeah.

[00:30:29] Brett: [00:30:29] yeah. Um, Oh, I had a thought and then I lost it. Oh, well, yeah, those are the kinds of things that I don’t even need to say out loud. I could just move on to the next thing. We have a, we have a list for this.

[00:30:42] Christina: [00:30:42] We do have a whole list. Yeah. Casey night things keep, um, a keyboard.

[00:30:48] Brett: [00:30:48] also from the discord,

[00:30:49] Christina: [00:30:49] discord I was going to say, no, this is awesome.

[00:30:52] Brett: [00:30:52] this looks entirely usable and I didn’t it’s this it’s an ergonomic keyboard.

[00:30:57] I’m not sure exactly what the layout [00:31:00] is, but, uh, it, other than being , um, it has these knobs on it and I had never seen these knobs

[00:31:08] Christina: [00:31:08] same that this, this is what I’m, this is what I’m curious

[00:31:11] Brett: [00:31:11] So if you go to the next link on the list, uh, which is kind of an introduction to QM, MK, which is the kind of O S that runs something like the ergo docs keyboard, and you scroll down about halfway, you’ll see a section called rotary and coders, and it’s a knob that you can both twist and push.

[00:31:35] So it can function as like a key press. Or you can use it to do things like navigate your cursor through text or scroll your screen or whatever you need.

[00:31:45] Christina: [00:31:45] Oh, okay. This is awesome. And actually, this is hilarious because okay, this, this, this asshole, this just utter, like idiot wrote a really, really, really bad tweet. Uh, I think it was last week that everybody kind of like railed him for where he was like [00:32:00] real developers, don’t use a mouse. And, and, and if you do, you’re never going to be a senior.

[00:32:07] And it was one of those things where everybody just, just dragged him to eternity. And I was like, uh, you know, real developers don’t use QWERTY. I was like, you know, like, um, um, you know, uh, coders, Devor, Acker, or whatever, or get the fuck out. Like people were just dragging him, but looking at something like this and like, Oh yeah, see, This, this was, this would be what real developers would, would use your rotary and coder, because you could use the wheel to scroll through your menu options so that you could, um, you could, you could use just the keyboard and not the mouse, but still be lead enough to, to actually one day become a senior.

[00:32:44] Brett: [00:32:44] Well, so people, people who are, anti-Muslim almost always VIM people and then people don’t accept pretty much anything other than VIM. Like nothing is valid,

[00:32:57] Christina: [00:32:57] Well, and, and, well, that’s the funny [00:33:00] thing about this guy is he’s a JavaScript developer, so he’s not, it he’s not event. Like he, he brags about like being like top whatever percent on like stack overflow. It’s like, okay. Um, you know, weird flex, but okay. Um, in just, you, you can tell from his other things, like not of them person, like not, not even like, probably couldn’t even tell you the origins.

[00:33:19] Of of, of, you know, VI, right? Like wouldn’t, wouldn’t even know where to start. Like doesn’t even know which is, you know, being elitist and, um, like, you know, just like what’s a gatekeeping for no purpose. And yeah, I like, there are plenty of people who I’m sure, like detests having a mouse of any sort or menus, and that is fine.

[00:33:40] And, but I think that like, most them people that I know anyway, there’s some of them who are really. Outspoken about this is the only true way to operate, but I, most people I know like that are never going to tell other people, if you don’t do things the way I do it, you’re not a real anything,

[00:33:56] Brett: [00:33:56] have a certain amount of shame.

[00:33:58]Christina: [00:33:58] yeah.

[00:33:59] I [00:34:00] mean, now, now, now, now, now Emacs people are different, right? Like Emacs people are, this is where people are

[00:34:05] Brett: [00:34:05] Erica Sadoon, shout out to Erica Sadoon.

[00:34:08] Christina: [00:34:08] Shallow. And she’s awesome. She’s like the one nice Emacs person. I know. Um, because, because most people, like if they use org mode, like they will never shut the fuck up about the fact that you use work mode.

[00:34:19] And I look I’ve, I’ve tried to kind of get into that. I’ve watched so many videos and like, there are interesting things about that to me. And then I just, this is where my ADHD breaks in and I’m just like, you know what? I have better. Things to do. Also, I enjoy a good gooey, also the mouse predates tech senators.

[00:34:39] So shut the fuck up. Um, you know, like, like honestly, like Douglas Englebright like called and like told you to go to hell, but I’m completely fine for people who want to just use the keyboard for everything like that spine. And actually I think this rotary and coder thing is pretty awesome because it could allow you to just have through stuff.

[00:34:58] I’m just looking through this, you know, [00:35:00] scroll through windows selected results.

[00:35:02] Brett: [00:35:02] What’d they call the little red button on a think book that J J button or whatever.

[00:35:07] Christina: [00:35:07] yeah, the, the nipple. Yeah,

[00:35:09] Brett: [00:35:09] Yeah. That’s that would be the, uh, the colloquial term for it. Um, yeah, like that, that always made sense to me, like a little