208: More Things Not to Talk About at Dinner

Brett

[00:00:00] Brett: [00:00:00] It’s coming. It’s coming. My new stream deck is failing me.

[00:00:04] Soundtrack: [00:00:04] Tired tired, tired.

[00:00:09] Brett: [00:00:09] Welcome to overtired. Uh, I’m Brett Terpstra here with Christina Warren. Hi Christina.

[00:00:14] Christina: [00:00:14] hi, Brett, how are you?

[00:00:16] Brett: [00:00:16] I’m. I’m awesome. I’m better than you. I heard you were, uh, you’re not feeling great.

[00:00:22] Christina: [00:00:22] I’m not feeling great, but I am super happy to be here with you.

[00:00:25] Brett: [00:00:25] Uh, as a result of you not feeling great, we’re actually recording right before we release, which is kind of exciting because we can be super topical and not worry that news is going to change. Well, some of the news we have to talk about honestly, could change between now and tomorrow when I publish. But.

[00:00:46] Christina: [00:00:46] W, but, but, but, but we’re closer. I was going to say like, the thing is, is that if we recorded on Saturday as planned so much of the most topical stuff, they’ve been totally different because every hour it [00:01:00] seems like is, is a, is a new, um, horror slash uh, comedy of errors. I don’t, I don’t know really how to freeze it.

[00:01:08] Brett: [00:01:08] Yeah, that sounds about right. a dumpster on fire floating in a river while the forest around it burns.

[00:01:17] Christina: [00:01:17] And the sky is orange and, uh, yeah. Yeah.

[00:01:22] Brett: [00:01:22] Yeah. Um, so I was going to tell you, just in response to your vegetarian question last time, uh, one thing that did happen. Is after, uh, weeks of intermittent fasting and really not losing much weight at all. Um, going vegetarian had the immediate effect of losing like five pounds.

[00:01:47] Christina: [00:01:47] interesting.

[00:01:48] Brett: [00:01:48] Yeah. Turns out meat is bad.

[00:01:53] No one should eat meat.

[00:01:56] Christina: [00:01:56] Uh, I mean, I don’t think that’s true. Although I think [00:02:00] there are lots of reasons to, to look other sources of protein and whatnot, but I don’t think. I’m not going to take that, like take away from

[00:02:11] Brett: [00:02:11] Chicken. Oh, wait.

[00:02:13] Christina: [00:02:13] see, right. Well, I mean, I did once about meat or beef anyway, because I found out there was like some, a thing called national beef steak month.

[00:02:23] And I was so horrified that like such a thing would exist that I like was like, I’m not eating any beef or whatever for the month. And I became a new mic.

[00:02:33] Brett: [00:02:33] yeah, how’d that go?

[00:02:36] Christina: [00:02:36] uh, I mean, again, not great. Like, I, I, I like had to go to the doctor and like get on pills because I had anemia. Uh, again, that’s probably more of a reflection on my like bad diet in general, but it taught me at the ripe old age of 19 to not be political about my food.

[00:02:56] Brett: [00:02:56] You said I became anemic and I thought you said I became vegan.

[00:03:00] [00:03:00] Christina: [00:03:00] Oh, sorry. Yeah, no, I did not become vegan. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I became anemic and uh, yeah. And, and, but, but I D I did learn a lesson that for me personally, I was like, all right, Christina, just don’t be political about your food

[00:03:14] Brett: [00:03:14] fair enough. Yeah. I’m not, I’m not, yeah, I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t vegetarian for my own health and my own, uh, ecological concerns, but yeah, I’m not, I am of the opinion that. Basically the entire population population of the U S would have to go vegetarian to actually make a real dent. It would have to be enough to get the meat industry itself to change.

[00:03:42] Um, me converting a few of my friends to vegetarian. Isn’t it’s not worth the, uh, it’s like when I was a kid and it was my job to go out and convert all of my friends to Christianity. Uh, ultimately the, the payoff, it doesn’t seem. [00:04:00] You’re not really making a dent in the hoard of people that I was told.

[00:04:03] They’re going to hell like saving one person at a time. Just didn’t really feel like a good return on investment to me.

[00:04:11] Christina: [00:04:11] Well, well, you’re clearly not a good latter day Saint, because

[00:04:15] Brett: [00:04:15] Great way to lose friends though. Have you accepted the Lord? Jesus Christ? Um,

[00:04:22] Christina: [00:04:22] did you seriously do that as a kid? Like,

[00:04:25] Brett: [00:04:25] Oh, yeah. Yeah. I needed to talk to you about something. Have you accepted Jesus as your Lord and savior? It’s really important to me that you do this. Let’s pray. Yeah, that was, that was childhood for me. A lot of stress around that too.

[00:04:39] Christina: [00:04:39] Wow. Yeah. Cause like my, my mom is like religious, but I guess it’s like a personal thing. And like I grew up going to church, but, uh, the whole like, um, missionary thing was never, ever part of like my upbringing, although I wonder if part of it. [00:05:00] It’s interesting. A and I’ve never talked to my mom about this, but I do get the distinct sense that she’s sort of bothered by some missionary practices.

[00:05:08] I don’t want to put words in her mouth because she might disagree with me, but, uh, I always got that sense that that was not something she was down with and be living where I lived and growing up where I grew up, everybody was. Judeo-Christian of some type, right? Like, uh, and I mean, we had not a lot of Muslims, but even then, like it’s Abraham, Abraham ma you know, Abrahamic, whatever.

[00:05:34] Like, so I don’t think that I grew up with a lot of theists or agnostics. Like there might’ve been people who didn’t go to church, but I don’t actually know if I could say that any of the people I grew up with until. You know, like it was in high school or whatever. We’re like, I don’t believe in God.

[00:05:57] Brett: [00:05:57] the thing is when you grow up in [00:06:00] an evangelical church, there’s a very specific criteria for being saved. And for us Catholics were wrong. Catholics. Weren’t going to heaven, Catholics. Weren’t Christians. Like just as an example of, of what evangelical thinking is like.

[00:06:17] Christina: [00:06:17] Oh, no, I know that you okay. You are right. So there were, there were a lot of Southern Baptist, which we were not, and they definitely had that whole saved

[00:06:26] Brett: [00:06:26] Yup. That’s where I started with Southern Baptist.

[00:06:29] Christina: [00:06:29] and that was certainly because I did not grow up that way. I grew up like a Pisco paleon, uh, and, and like Methodist and, uh, Episcopalian, especially is pretty liberal, uh, comparatively

[00:06:44] Brett: [00:06:44] yeah, for sure.

[00:06:45] Christina: [00:06:45] uh, kind of sex, but it was also one of those things that even if I had people.

[00:06:52] Who I was around, who was like, Oh, if you haven’t gone through this, you’re not going to heaven. Like if somebody had said that my Catholic grandmother was not going to [00:07:00] heaven to me, I, as a very small, very religious child would have told them to go fuck themselves. I would have been like, okay, No, you’re not going to have it.

[00:07:09] Like, if you’re going to say that, like, that was just one of those things. Also. I think my mom just, she did because we had these conversations. Cause I was sometimes I think here, like friends of mine have those questions and they’d be like, Oh, if you don’t believe this, you’re not going there. And I would ask her questions and she’d be like, no, like.

[00:07:27] Like God is not going to not let you know someone just because they believe that a slightly different thing into heaven if they’re still a good person. So yeah, I think that, that that’s a, I have to credit my mom for that. Cause I think it could have been very. Different had I had like, just a slightly different familial structure.

[00:07:50] Cause I did grow up religious, but not like that. And then to their immense credit, even though I’m sure it was very painful for them when I was 15. And I was like, I [00:08:00] went from being very religious to being like, you know what? No. I’m not, I’m not, I’m not into this. I don’t believe this. This is not actually something that I’m going to adhere to.

[00:08:12] And yeah. And, um, I might still have some aspects of spirituality, but I have major qualms with other aspects of this, uh, to, to their immense credit. Even though I know that of it’s painful for them, they have not. Like I didn’t get, even then, like, I, it wasn’t one of those things where I was like forced to go to church or I was yelled at, or I was made to feel bad.

[00:08:35] I’m probably I’m thinking because a, I had like other, like emotional stuff going on, but also I think my parents are smart enough to know that, like, I’m not somebody that they could just kind of. Convince in that way, you know what I mean? Like, like they wouldn’t be able to like me, it will reason with me and they won’t be able to yell at me and they’re like, all right.

[00:08:59] If Christine has made this [00:09:00] decision, we’re not going to change her mind by appealing to authority because she’s pretty anti-authoritarianism and will disagree and go even harder just to spite us, which. Would have actually been the case. Right? Like if they had actually gone like hard, been like, Oh, you have to do this or that, like that would have, like, I would have joined some sort of like atheist movement, even if I didn’t believe everything they said and, and gone like way, way, way to the other side, just to spite them.

[00:09:29] Brett: [00:09:29] you would think that that would have been more common with gen X, but it’s actually millennials that started the trend towards, uh, America being less religious. And we’re still the most religious country among developed worlds. But, uh, But there is a trend towards, uh, not just a less religious, but towards atheism, which is in my opinion, a wonderful step for a supposedly educated country to take, but no offense to, uh, to all the religious people [00:10:00] out there.

[00:10:00] Christina: [00:10:00] Well, yeah. And although I would say, I think that if you look at the numbers, I think it’s really, when people say atheism, they really mean agnosticism

[00:10:08] Brett: [00:10:08] Um,

[00:10:09] Christina: [00:10:09] in the United States. I actually do think so.

[00:10:11] Brett: [00:10:11] I, okay.

[00:10:13] Christina: [00:10:13] No, I actually do think so because there are some people who will say that, but. Because we are such a puritanical, like, look, we were founded by Puritans.

[00:10:22] We are a religious country. Like by the way, we were founded in the way that we’ve been done. And our country is much, much, much, much, much younger than the other developed nations. Like historically we just are. That means, I think that, and we have like this wave of American only religions too, which are very young.

[00:10:41] Um, uh, like historically speaking, I do feel like. It’s much like people conflate the two, but they’re different. I do feel like the, if you were to ask a lot of people and maybe I’m wrong on this, but I have read studies on this. I think people conflate the two and I do feel like it is much more difficult for people [00:11:00] to totally separate, especially millennials to separate themselves from st.

[00:11:04] Don’t at all, except that there could be a higher being or a higher focus or controlling. Um, you know, dad, maybe not even a dad, but, but you know, thing out there versus I don’t believe that there’s anything.

[00:11:21] Brett: [00:11:21] remind me, are you Ignacio or atheist?

[00:11:25] Christina: [00:11:25] I don’t know, to be

[00:11:26] Brett: [00:11:26] So you’re agnostic.

[00:11:29] Christina: [00:11:29] Probably, but, but, well, I don’t know, because there’ve been things in my life that I’ve experienced that I can’t explain other ways. And then there are things where I’m like a rational human. So, uh, and I would like to think of myself as quasi intellectuals. So I don’t know, honestly, like it can go either way and you, it’s also interesting because you do also have this rise of people who are millennials who, uh, you know, consider Buddhist teachings.

[00:11:55] But wouldn’t consider themselves to be Buddhist in the religious sense. So, so, [00:12:00] but, but, but see, but, but the thing is, you say, but sure, but that the, to me, that does kind of dictate that like that’s different from being an atheist, because if you really are an atheist, then why would you want to, you know, adhere or practice anything related to Buddhism?

[00:12:17] Even if you’re not like looking at it as a religion.

[00:12:20] Brett: [00:12:20] Every religion has some teachings that are just good, common sense. Um, I was talking to my, uh, my rabbi and actually went to temple and he told me that, um, there are in his congregation, there are atheists that go to temple every week. And they don’t have to believe in a God to find a Judaism, uh, full of wisdom and just good, common sense.

[00:12:52] It’s for, it’s not that atheist. I don’t have a moral code. Like we, we do, we have strong morals and

[00:13:00] [00:13:00] Christina: [00:13:00] No, no. And I’m not saying that what I am going to say though, is that I would actually question whether those people are actually atheist. And the reason I say that is that, and maybe I’m wrong on this and maybe this isn’t how other atheists feel. And if so, like I would like to hear from them, but I’ve always.

[00:13:16] To me anyway, the way I’ve looked at at faith of any type has been, that it’s been about to a certain degree about comfort and about, you know, like there’s, there’s a feeling involved. And I would, I would genuinely question why, like, if someone didn’t get some sort of comfort or some sort of good feeling or have some other sort of reason, um, why somebody who didn’t believe in those things would attend temple.

[00:13:42] Like

[00:13:43] Brett: [00:13:43] because of a congregation. You can get comfort from being in the presence of people who live a similar code to you. Uh, the fellowship of that, you can get comfort from that without believing in a God atheism just means you [00:14:00] don’t believe in a God. And that, and fellowship is where that comfort for religious people tends to come from.

[00:14:07] Uh, there’s a certain, there’s a certain aspect of believing in something higher than myself. Gives me a sense of wellbeing. I’m sure that exists for a lot of people, but for most people, churches are equally about the, the fellowship, uh,

[00:14:24] Christina: [00:14:24] true. That’s true. And, and I mean, honestly, that’s probably one of the reasons why it was easy for me to not go to church and to reject those aspects of it, because I never felt a fellowship in church ever. Um, which is, which is a total, total different from my parents who did feel a fellowship. I never did.

[00:14:41] I always thought they were, I always thought the people at our church we’re kind of assholes. And I was just going to, like, I don’t want to be with you people.

[00:14:47] Brett: [00:14:47] the whole, the whole zoom church thing was really rough on my parents, because for them, like, Being with like minded people every week, multiple times a week, uh, was a really big part of their [00:15:00] life.

[00:15:00] Christina: [00:15:00] yeah. See, I don’t know. It was just so interesting to me. I’m like, I respect that there could be like atheists who don’t believe in any sort of higher power at all who go to be around people. I think mile, I think the reason I struggle with that, I’m not saying that that’s not a thing because you’re clearly telling me that it is.

[00:15:15] I think the reason that I struggle. I guess to understand that is because I couldn’t imagine like willingly spending time every week with people who have very different, like. Views from me in like what I would consider for many people to be like a deep sense. Having said that I’m assuming this is a reform Judaism.

[00:15:39] And so, so that is very different than say if it were Orthodox or even if it were, were even mainline Judaism, right? Like that it’s going to be, it’s going to be very different. So if it’s performed that, I think actually makes sense. That’s much more of a community sort of feel. Straight up then, if you were to talk about a different sort of [00:16:00] sack, like I wouldn’t see, for instance, an atheist, I would, I would be very surprised if you had a, uh, you know, atheist going to a Southern

[00:16:09] Brett: [00:16:09] Oh, Oh, fuck. No, no, but, but an atheist going to a Unitarian church, you can see.

[00:16:15] Christina: [00:16:15] Yeah, totally. And, and in some ways I could even see weirdly like, Pisco paleon, although that’s, it’s, that’s such a, it’s such a weird sect it’s it’s Catholic light is what it’s called, because you have all of like the, the ritual aspects of Catholicism, which mainline Catholicism doesn’t even do anymore.

[00:16:36] But you have like the, the, you know, the, the masses and Latin and you have the, um, you know, just like the, the, yeah. The community, you have the ritual aspect and it’s, it’s. Very certain thing, but then the actual teachings themselves and the politics are very different. Like the whole reason that the church, the Anglican church was formed was because King George or whatever, wanted to get divorced.

[00:16:58] So he had to [00:17:00] start his own like religion to be able to, to get divorced. And so. You can get divorced. Women can be priests. Uh, you can be gay. They will, you know, they were doing same sex unions, you know, 30 years ago. So it’s, it’s very different. And so it’s this weird kind of hodgepodge and then Anglican and Episcopalian are different too, because angle the Anglican church fully rejects all the left wing, what they consider like heresy of the Episcopalian church.

[00:17:28] And you see a lot of stupid for like deeply like. Uh, intolerant views from people who adhere strictly to the Anglican tradition. Um, often in places like Africa, uh, which I, that’s not Africa’s fault. That is the fault of the colonizers. The, you know, people who have gone there to, you know, um, be missionaries and whatnot.

[00:17:51] But anyway, we’re going off on a whole tangent about religion, which is, which is a terrible topic to have a podcast about, to be totally

[00:17:59] Brett: [00:17:59] We’re a [00:18:00] third of the way into our show and religion was not on our bullet list at all. This, this has been fun though.

[00:18:06] Christina: [00:18:06] this has been fun. Okay. So let, let’s talk about things that are on our list because, um, we, we were getting into this because of, of the, the things that are happening right now in the world, which is, uh, you put a great definition, um, from, from Webster’s in, uh, in our show notes. Um, for, uh, for, I think like every everybody’s favorite German phrase, I would say, say Sean Frieda.

[00:18:32] Brett: [00:18:32] yeah. Um, there were, there was a 30000% increase in, uh, searches for the definition of shouting Freida

[00:18:44] Christina: [00:18:44] Oh my God. Okay. That, that actually really depresses me.

[00:18:48] Brett: [00:18:48] and for anyone who still hasn’t Googled it yet, it, uh, it means taking delight in the, um, the misfortune of others and, uh, [00:19:00] enjoyment obtained from the troubles of others. The English word was borrowed from German in the middle of the 19th century in German. It comes from Shodan damage and Freida joy. Um, and no, I, I don’t speak German, so that was probably slaughtered.

[00:19:14] But, uh, but yeah. Uh, so Trump, who, who downplayed coronavirus intentionally the whole time got Corona virus. And, uh, and America, uh, by and large said, well, yeah, yeah, obviously. Yeah. And some people are all thoughts and prayers and some of us don’t have the common decency to give a shit. Um, What happens to him at this point?

[00:19:44] Although I, I shutter to think what would happen to our government in its current state. If, if the president was a 25th amendment or, or, or worse died, um,

[00:19:56] Christina: [00:19:56] right? Yeah, no, I mean, I, I genuinely just [00:20:00] because. It’s funny to be like, Oh, I don’t care. Like what happens? Something like genuinely don’t wish like death or harm on, on anyone. Um, at least. Not maybe if I knew someone or knew of something that personally happened, like that would be a different thing.

[00:20:17] But I do try to, when we talk about moral codes, like, I, I, that is something that I try to like live my life or not, because I think that I’m like in any way, like morally superior better, but just cause I don’t think it’s healthy to have that type of anger, uh, which is growth for me because there have definitely been times in my life when that has not been the case.

[00:20:34] Brett: [00:20:34] See for me, it’s not anger though for me, I consider Trump to be such a dangerous human being that it’s not that I wish death upon him. It’s that I wouldn’t cry if he died.

[00:20:46] Christina: [00:20:46] I mean, look, I’m going to be totally honest. I would not cry either. I’m just saying I’m not going to be tweeting or making public comments to be like, you know, celebrating

[00:20:55] Brett: [00:20:55] just because those are going to come back and bite you eventually

[00:20:59] Christina: [00:20:59] only that, but it’s [00:21:00] just, uh, you

[00:21:00] Brett: [00:21:00] that in common decency.

[00:21:02] Christina: [00:21:02] It’s mostly the common decency thing, but yeah, they could come back and bite you.

[00:21:05] But I mean, there, there certainly been figures and things where I’ve, you know, when I was younger said things and now the reason is it’s like, It’s been through therapy and it’s like a growth thing where for me personally, I’m like, you know what, like this is, this is not healthy. And this doesn’t help me.

[00:21:21] Like this gives that thing more power that said, yeah, we’ll have shot and Freud about it because of course, I think Joe Biden even said, we’re recording this on Tuesday. He said at, uh, with Lester Holt, uh, last night, Uh, he said that he, you know, he was kind of like, yeah, he is responsible for if, like, if you don’t take precautions and if you don’t believe it’s real, if you’re not doing those things, then you’re responsible with what happens, which I think is very true.

[00:21:49] And, and by NASSA said that he wasn’t surprised that that Trump got coronavirus, which is exactly how I feel. And I’m like, yeah, I’m. I mean, if anything, to a certain extent, [00:22:00] it’s almost surprising that it took this long, right? Like I think that the surprising aspect, the, the shot in the reason that there’s the shot in Florida is the timing of all of this.

[00:22:11] Uh, I don’t, you know, I think that some of the conspiracy theories and some of that stuff was disappointing to see, especially on the left, but, uh, I do understand why the initial response from some people was, is this even real? Just because the timing. You know, to be so close to the election to be right after the first debate to be, you know, where we are like just a month before, um, you know, uh, voting, you know, well, some voting has already started in some places

[00:22:40] Brett: [00:22:40] already voted.

[00:22:41] Christina: [00:22:41] um, yeah, my ballot hasn’t come in yet, but like that, you know, that sort of level and that thing, the timing of it is just. It’s so narratively perfect. That if you saw it on a TV show, you would be like, all right, I’m going to buy into this and watch

[00:22:58] Brett: [00:22:58] What, but it would [00:23:00] feel, yeah. I feel like the most obvious, predictable plot twist, it would feel, it would feel lazy on the part of the writers.

[00:23:08] Christina: [00:23:08] Exactly. Exactly. Like you’re like, all right, I’ll buy into this because I want to continue this story, but this, this doesn’t ring true. Although I think everything that’s happened this year does kind of show that truth is stranger than fiction sometimes. And, uh,

[00:23:23] Brett: [00:23:23] it actually is a good cliffhanger though. I have been checking the news more often in the last few days than I have in a long time.

[00:23:32] Christina: [00:23:32] I was going to say, like, so I listened to the New York times podcast, the daily, like they had to do a special edition on Friday after he was diagnosed. Like they had to do a whole special thing. Yeah. Like upending, I think some of their prerecord stuff and, and adding more information, just cause so much news was breaking.

[00:23:49] Brett: [00:23:49] Yeah.

[00:23:50] Christina: [00:23:50] and it’s one of those things where I bet that if you know, the, and they were doing so much reporting through the weekend, um, if it wouldn’t have been an undue burden, you know, on the audio editors, I bet that that’s one [00:24:00] of those things where they probably were, I have no knowledge of this, but there’s a part of me thinks it was like, I bet that there were discussions at some level where they were like, do we, do we do like make a twice a day update on this?

[00:24:12] Cause like, if you go to their website, like they have like, almost like, like it’s breaking news, you know, following the, the trail of how many people have been infected and, and what the status is. And yeah, I was really sick this weekend. But I was still waking up and I was like reading and catching up on like every time I would like kind of fall asleep and I’d wake up and I would see even more like stuff that had broken out.

[00:24:37] I was like, Oh my God.

[00:24:39] Brett: [00:24:39] The, uh, the, the news. If we had recorded Saturday, we would have missed, this is, um, the, the next overly predictable, uh, uh, plot element was he was released from the hospital and on his way out, he tweeted feeling really good. Don’t be afraid of COVID. Don’t let it dominate your [00:25:00] life. We have developed under the Trump administration, some really great drugs and knowledge.

[00:25:05] I feel better than I did 20 years ago. What the fuck is that? He, he he’s completely ignoring that he got millions of dollars worth of the best treatment available. He’s writing to the gills right now.

[00:25:22] Christina: [00:25:22] Yes, he’s weighted to the guilt. Of course he feels great. He’s, he’s, he’s high on, on a dexamethazone and, um, you know, and they’re probably, they probably given him other stuff. I mean, yeah. I have to say, like, this is the thing where I got I’m like angry and I don’t want to turn this into a politics show or whatever, but I get like, Viscerally angry, because first of all, how fucking dare you?

[00:25:44] How fucking dare you. You are president of the United States. And I’m not saying that he shouldn’t receive the best care and the entire

[00:25:51] Brett: [00:25:51] Yeah, that’s fine. We expect that

[00:25:53] Christina: [00:25:53] because of course he should any leader of a developed nation. Absolutely. But to pretend as if the [00:26:00] care that he gets is equivalent of the care that I would get, or the care that you would get is ridiculous and insulting.

[00:26:07] Brett: [00:26:07] And to tell people not to be afraid.

[00:26:10] Christina: [00:26:10] Yes. And also you’re talking about people who don’t have access to healthcare, this, which is most of his base. Like this is the most fucked up thing. Like the, like his base is the, is the base that by and large is, has less healthcare. Like if you actually look at

[00:26:25] Brett: [00:26:25] And, and he’s working on making it even less and, and COVID will count as a preexisting condition. For these people, he wants to remove preexisting condition coverage from

[00:26:36] Christina: [00:26:36] Absolutely. I mean, that’s the thing it’s like, you literally are. Are telling people who don’t have the ability to go to Walter Reed and have, you know, um, the best doctors in the country consulted and the best thing have direct access to all kinds of experimental therapies, whether that’s a good idea. for his health or not like that, that that’s [00:27:00] that’s beside the point fact is that he can call any of those places and get these drugs that are only in trial and get access to them. You and I can’t do that. Even very wealthy people would struggle at some points. I’m guessing like they would need, you need to make a call.

[00:27:15] It wouldn’t be something that their doctor would probably just be able to, to do. It’d be something where it’s like, all right. I’m going to now have to call in a favor with somebody who knows somebody so I can get access to this. You know what I

[00:27:26] Brett: [00:27:26] Yeah, totally.

[00:27:27] Christina: [00:27:27] so, so to me, like how fucking dare you, like, it’s good to just say this and, um, And he’s not even out of the woods yet.

[00:27:36] Like that’s the thing it’s like, people have felt like they’ve been doing better and then it’s turned around. Like the one good thing is that his blood oxygen levels seem to have improved. And that is usually the big indicator with, you know, like. If you’re going to die from it or not, but yeah, congratulations.

[00:27:55] They were able to save him because she’s the president. Like that doesn’t mean that other people [00:28:00] are going to be able to get that same care or any care or that they would be able to afford their treatments. If they did have to go into the hospital for this and that it wouldn’t be devastating in that sense.

[00:28:09] Like, it’s just, it really, really angers me. For, for that rhetoric to then become the, especially, especially when you look at the number of people that were exposed to the virus, uh, at his events and because of him and because of the people on his staff and, and they’re not even doing contact tracing, it’s like, and the reason they’re not doing contact tracing is because they don’t want more people who got the virus.

[00:28:36] They don’t want that to happen. It’s the same. Thing is his whole thing has been, which is if we don’t test the numbers will be lower and it will look better. Meanwhile, people are fucking dying and no one cares. And we don’t have stimulus packages passed to protect people who are struggling and the economy still isn’t back on track.

[00:28:55] And you know what. Part of that reason is because of him. It’s like, if we take [00:29:00] in this shit seriously, like other countries have, right. We could maybe be in a phase where we could do some real, um, like Australia is, is a lot more together than we are. New Zealand is a lot more together than we are. And they still have periods where people will come in and where they’ll be exposed to stuff.

[00:29:17] And they have to clamp things down again. But meanwhile, like, I don’t know, I just, I’m going to go off my soap box

[00:29:23] Brett: [00:29:23] Did you the, uh, there’s a roller Derby association that came up with, I think it was a 12, 12 level, like a 12 tier code we’d plan so that they could start holding events at first, like. I don’t remember all the levels, but they, they worked out this system that was so complete and so good that other organizations began calling about it.

[00:29:50] And even, uh, uh, local governments began implementing this roller Derby league’s covert protocols. And I [00:30:00] wish I’ll find a link. It’ll be in the show notes to this. It’s kind of amazing that because on this roller Derby team, There were nurses and healthcare workers who actually thought through all of this and implemented something that apparently government can’t like, even on a local level.

[00:30:20] So interesting side, side story to all of this.

[00:30:26] Christina: [00:30:26] Yeah, well, no, I mean, it’s sort of interesting when you have like people, I actually kind of like working together. Um, I don’t want to turn this whole into a whole, like, you know, COVID politics show, but there’ve been, there’s been a lot of really interesting reporting in vanity fair about how, uh, you know, Jareds brain trust.

[00:30:42] I’m re I’m being sarcastic here. Rolling my eyes, how they like their work, but there actually was a team team of people who were smart, like very smart. People who were gathered together and were trying to work on a plan. And, um, a lot of their ideas, I mean, it was better [00:31:00] than, than what we’ve had. Um, only for the whole thing to basically be thrown out because they figured that politically well, most of the States there that are showing the highest number of infections are blue States.

[00:31:11] So what do we care? Which honestly,

[00:31:14] Brett: [00:31:14] They’re also the most populated anyway. Yeah.

[00:31:17] Christina: [00:31:17] know, but, but, but to me like, and th th becomes an apolitical thing actually, like what type of evil do you have to be where you will not implement a plan or even look at a plan based on how you believe that electorate votes like, like, honestly, like that is, that is totalitarian

[00:31:35] Brett: [00:31:35] cool. That’s fascism right there.

[00:31:37] Christina: [00:31:37] is fascism. That is absolutely fascist. And, and, and to me, it’s just, it’s really. Really horrifying just to see. And you know, what happens is that those stories are reported and people aren’t horrified that horrifies me even more like those, those things come out and the collective response I think is, yeah, it makes sense.

[00:31:55] Brett: [00:31:55] Yeah, right.

[00:31:55] Christina: [00:31:55] be that shouldn’t be our response. Yeah. And for years we’ve become so [00:32:00] desensitized and so accepting if we’re being totally honest, To the fact that this is how things go. No, we should be horrified. We should be calling it out. Like I don’t want to like, and I feel myself with this where I feel myself, like, like not being surprised.

[00:32:13] And, and that bothers me because when that happens, we are losing our bits of humanity when we become accepting of that type of behavior. And when we become like, almost like ambivalent to it, because that’s not

[00:32:27] Brett: [00:32:27] That’s how fascism rises.

[00:32:29] Christina: [00:32:29] It absolutely is you just say, well, that’s just the way the world works. No, you know what, like, I’m sorry.

[00:32:35] That is not the way that the world works and it’s not the way that the world should work. And, and we don’t, you know, like, like. W, you know, we are supposed to be living in a Republic and, and this is not supposed to be what we stand for. And yes, our country has historically committed many atrocities as have, has every other country, but that doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t aspire to not commit more.

[00:32:58] And so when it just becomes [00:33:00] well, yeah, it makes total sense that, that, of course they made these decisions on political grounds, like I’m horrified and I’m even more horrified that. It just becomes status quo and, and that, that happened only four years. And that is how you get the rise of like totalitarian regimes.

[00:33:19] And that is how really terrible things happen. Yeah. And, and people. Who cause you asked me, how do people let this happen? This is how you become so desensitized to it. That as it gets worse and worse, you don’t realize until you take in the, the totalitarian like that, the totality of what’s actually happened anyway.

[00:33:40] Brett: [00:33:40] Yup. All right. That feels like a good place to wrap the politics segment up. Yeah. Cause, cause I’m about to go off on like some extreme leftist shit right now. So, um, I’ll reign it in.

[00:33:53] Christina: [00:33:53] you’ll bring it in. Let’s talk about your new stream doc, actually.

[00:33:56] Brett: [00:33:56] Okay. So I originally I had the stream deck [00:34:00] mini, uh, and I had a lot of fun programming the buttons and I push it, I think as far as it can go, um, I had like certain scenes that would come up when certain apps were, were, uh, in the foreground. And that I made pretty good use of six buttons, but eventually I found myself wanting more.

[00:34:21] So I ordered the one with, what is it? 16. 15, yeah. 15 buttons on it. Yeah, not the XL. It’s kinda, it’s like the medium one.

[00:34:32] Christina: [00:34:32] Yeah. So, so that’s the original stream deck. So that’s what you, what you ordered. That’s the one that originally came out and was out for a couple of years, then they came out with the XL and then I think they came out with a

[00:34:41] Brett: [00:34:41] that, that, that sounds, that sounds correct, because I watched, I watched them for a long time and, and, and thought I could have fun with that, but it doesn’t seem worth it. And then I had to get the money for a job and, and now I’m hooked, but I’m having trouble with it. When I, when I plugged [00:35:00] in the new one, it asked if I wanted to, uh, Move my, my settings from my mini to the new one and I did, but I keep like the folders are messed up.

[00:35:10] Yeah. I have to, I’m going to wipe it and reprogram it from scratch. I wanted to have it to a point where I had a better soundboard. Um, I was gonna surprise you with a bunch of bunch of, bunch of fun sound effects. We’ll get there. It’ll happen. Uh, and there will at bare minimum be like an applause track.

[00:35:30] So when you finish one of your like five minute long rants, we can just have like a round of applause. Cause that’s what people are here for. They’re here for the Christina rant, for sure.

[00:35:42] Christina: [00:35:42] for sure. They’re, they’re definitely here for that now. They’re we’re here for you. Um, I’m I’m, I’m just, I’m just,

[00:35:46] Brett: [00:35:46] Don’t be ridiculous.

[00:35:48] Christina: [00:35:48] but, uh, no, that’s awesome. I’m glad you got the, the regular one. Yeah. So when I first used the stream deck and I guess it was. God, I guess it was about two years ago now.

[00:35:58] Um, [00:36:00] I two or three, I don’t even know. Um, I, um, I was like a huge fan of seeing kind of the stuff that we could do with it because. At Microsoft, like with my job within channel nine, like we have like a production studio and it’s not as fully featured as the Microsoft production studios, which is genuinely like a TV station, but it is like a very nice production studio.

[00:36:24] And we have, you know, um, uh, self-serve room, uh, where people can kind of record themselves where there’s like, I’m like, You know, uh, fake wood back paneling and there’s like a chair or a sofa and a camera set up and, and, uh, for, for screen sharing and, um, people can kind of record themselves. And, you know, a microphone or whatever, with a high end camera.

[00:36:46] And the way that that is controlled is thr