207: Flying Blind

Overtired 207

[00:00:00] [00:00:00] Soundtrack: [00:00:00] Tired, so tired, overtired.

[00:00:05]Christina: [00:00:05] Welcome to overtired. Uh, I’m Christina Warren. He’s Brett Terpstra. And, uh, we were just talking before we started recording that we think that this is the first time in the history of the, I don’t know, like five or six years of overtired existence that we are recording an episode early at my request.

[00:00:27] Brett: [00:00:27] And as a result, it’s one of the few times we’ve ever not at least had a bullet list of potential topics. Like we are flying completely blind this episode, and anything could happen.

[00:00:40] Christina: [00:00:40] I mean, we, we, well, anything except we won’t be inviting, um, uh, like, um, weird, uh, people who have museums dedicated to Tonya Harding and Nancy Kerrigan

[00:00:53] Brett: [00:00:53] still sounds like a delightful idea,

[00:00:55] Christina: [00:00:55] it really does.

[00:00:56] Brett: [00:00:56] on paper, it sounded like a great [00:01:00] idea.

[00:01:01] Christina: [00:01:01] Faith. Thank you. Cause I, I felt bad about that over the years. I’m like, man, that was really terrible. But the concept and the reason I backed the Kickstarter was because it seemed awesome. And I was like, Oh, I would love to talk to these people. And then they were just terrible.

[00:01:16] Brett: [00:01:16] Terrible people, but here’s the thing is now we have like a war story

[00:01:21] Christina: [00:01:21] We do,

[00:01:22] Brett: [00:01:22] something we can laugh about for years to come.

[00:01:25] Christina: [00:01:25] Years and years to come. And, and for a, I don’t even know, I don’t, I don’t think that episode survived. Um, one of our migrations, but a long time, like, like cool kid listeners will recall that. Um, in the early days of overtired, we brought on some guests and, uh, it did not go well.

[00:01:46] Brett: [00:01:46] I had a, I had a rough time. I don’t even, I can’t even remember. What was so wrong with it? I just remember eventually just going like silent and watching it unfold. [00:02:00] Yeah. We should start having some guests now. And then though, you know, I would love to have Ashley a Skedda back on.

[00:02:08] Christina: [00:02:08] I would love to have her on too. She’s amazing. I would love to have her on and I actually kind of like threw it at him and half guilted him. But someone was mentioning because a listener was listening to us, talk about keyboards. And they’re talking about how, um, our, our, our pal Mike from really FM has gotten really into them.

[00:02:28] And I was like, yes, let’s get Mike on.

[00:02:31] Brett: [00:02:31] I got a really nice letter from a listener. Um, I probably should have shared it with you, but it turned into a whole like private conversation. Um, but he, he talked about how. Uh, now that he has a daughter who suffers from depression, it’s made him realize that he really doesn’t have depression. Like he has normal ups and downs, like, like people do.

[00:02:54] And, uh, and it’s, it’s helped him realize that it’s nothing like [00:03:00] clinical depression, but then he also is even deeper into the mechanical keyboard thing than well, way deeper than I am. But even deeper than people I’ve known. Having he’s, he he’s a Devora keyboard user he’s

[00:03:15] Christina: [00:03:15] Oh, wow.

[00:03:16] Brett: [00:03:16] He also has an ultimate hacking keyboard.

[00:03:18] So he’s gone through the same trials as I have trying to find custom keys to fit the weird layout, but he has gone through like every type of plastic, every type of a concave and UN UN. And sculpted and different etchings and different switches. Like he’s completely like D soldered and recycled all of his switches and it, like, he’s gone deep into it.

[00:03:44] And he gave me some, some tips on where to find some, some keys and whatnot.

[00:03:49] Christina: [00:03:49] Oh, that’s awesome. Um, well, if you, if you can share that part, uh, some of those

[00:03:54] Brett: [00:03:54] Oh, for sure. Yeah.

[00:03:55] Christina: [00:03:55] obviously don’t need to see together. But also that’s, you know what, like, I, I really [00:04:00] love that he has empathy now that he has a daughter and is able to kind of see that stuff. Cause a lot of people that’s what it takes for all of us, I think is we need to have personal experiences, but I really respect that.

[00:04:10] He’s like talking about that. I think

[00:04:12] Brett: [00:04:12] Yeah, well, and with my, my bipolar posts, I keep getting feedback from people that. I like for me, it’s a foreign idea. I have a, my, my parents, I come from a family that has had a mental illness and it’s background. They understand it, they accept it. I have a community that is very supportive of me and, and enjoys like they thank me for talking about it.

[00:04:41] I don’t have an employer or coworkers to worry about civil. Like I get to talk about this stuff in a very raw, honest way. Without risking really anything like it. I have like zero risk doing it. And I keep hearing from people who feel like [00:05:00] they can’t for all of the reasons I just mentioned, but they have the opposite.

[00:05:05] Uh, and, and when they have tried to speak out about it, uh, people live change the way they act around them. They’ve treated them differently. And so they’ve just gone silent and they don’t tell anyone what they’re struggling with. And I even had one guy who really needed, I mean, his situation, he needed to talk to somebody and I ended up being his only outlet because he felt like he had nowhere else to go.

[00:05:33] And I’ll be honest, like I’m not great with personal connections. I am, I am absolutely. I will listen to anyone in that situation and I will offer what I can, but having like a face to face conversation. Hey, I didn’t realize how exactly how hard it could be for some people.

[00:05:52] Christina: [00:05:52] Yeah, no, I mean, that makes me sad, but also. What makes me two things. One, I’m sad that [00:06:00] all these years post us having like very, very concrete, like scientific medical, like. You know, proof of what happens with the brain and biochemistry and in neuro diversity and all that stuff that there’s still the stigma, but I’m also heartened that at least people have a way to reach out to some others.

[00:06:25] You know, that, that. That like, we always talk about how terrible the internet is because it is, but there’s something to be said. I think that we wouldn’t talk, we wouldn’t feel free or at least I wouldn’t feel free. I don’t want to speak for anybody else, but I wouldn’t feel free to kind of like clown on and make sure.

[00:06:42] Uh, derogatory remarks about the internet. If the internet hadn’t fundamentally changed my life, not just for the better, but like in many ways kind of saved me. You know what I mean? And, and so, and I feel, I feel fortunate to be alive in a time when we have [00:07:00] access to that. If we’re the only reason that we can have those connections with other people and not feel as alone or, um, What or isolated or whatever, regardless of our circumstances.

[00:07:12] So.

[00:07:12] Brett: [00:07:12] If it weren’t for the internet, I would probably. Be around people more like, I, I would probably have to have a job in an office, which, you know, it would suck, but it would just be the way things were. But I am grateful all the time because I really would not voluntarily socialize with people as regularly as I do, if not for Twitter and Facebook and.

[00:07:43] Uh, email and all of these ways that I do connect with people. Yeah. It’s, it’s important. I don’t, I life would be so different in this day and age without the internet. I can’t really [00:08:00] fathom other than having, you know, my childhood took place before the web existed. So I can remember what that was like, but I don’t know what being an adult would be like without it.

[00:08:13] Christina: [00:08:13] Yeah, and for me, it’s, it’s a weird thing that my childhood. Like my young childhood did, but basically from like the age of 12 onward, I had the web. And so. Obviously kids today are born with it and they never don’t know it, but the parents do still do things like trying to, you know, change how old they are before they can interact and do certain things.

[00:08:36] And so they have a concept of what it is and that it’s there, but, um, you know, It still varies. I think in terms of like how old kids are, when they become like actively online, you know, like actually communicating. And so for me, it is still one of those things where like, I feel like I’ve grown up with it to a certain extent, but I know what you mean.

[00:08:54] Like, I can sort of remember what it was like before that, but I don’t know. Otherwise I know that for me, I [00:09:00] don’t, I consider myself a pretty outgoing and social person. Both in, in person and online, but I don’t know if that would be the case, if it weren’t for the internet, because of the things that I was going through in my, in my preteens and teens and things that I experienced, you know, in my real life, during those like important periods, uh, The internet was the thing that was like kind of my rescues and was the thing that, where I could go to, to know, and kind of feel like comforted that there were other people out there like me, even if they weren’t the people I went to school with.

[00:09:38] And even if they weren’t the people who lived around me and even if they weren’t the people in my community, it was like that there were people like that out there. And I feel like that helped me. Be ready for college, where I met more people, you know, from different backgrounds and other stuff, but also just, you know, with, you know, giving you the confidence to like move across the country or visit people in other States or [00:10:00] take on other things.

[00:10:01] I, I don’t know if I would have had that confidence to do that if I didn’t know that other people were out there who did understand me, if that makes any

[00:10:14] Brett: [00:10:14] Yeah, no, it makes total sense. It would be, it would be a different life for everyone,

[00:10:18] Christina: [00:10:18] Totally. That was a weird, sorry. Go on. Yeah, totally. And, and I think, yeah, it it’s, but it’s a bit, it is weird to think about. And I think it’s, it’s, it’s important. Um, for me to remind myself whenever I’m like, you know, it’s easy to be like, Oh, you know, like Twitter, what was the mistake? And I mean, sure. A social media was a mistake.

[00:10:37] Sure. But there are also things that I take them that I’m like, no, but my life has been fundamentally improved and made better in ways that I can’t even calculate because of the damn internet. I mean, like, I know you to who I consider one of my close friends. Because of the internet, like we never would have met otherwise there’s no way.

[00:10:55] Brett: [00:10:55] Yeah. None of, none of the ways, none of the reasons we met would have [00:11:00] existed at all, unless we both ended up writing for a print magazine. That would probably have been about, I don’t even know, like if the internet doesn’t exist, what else does it exist? Technology wouldn’t progress. Anyway, did you see the Netflix documentary about social network?

[00:11:17] I think it was called the social dilemma.

[00:11:20] Christina: [00:11:20] I did not.

[00:11:21] Brett: [00:11:21] We should both put that on our watch list.

[00:11:24] Christina: [00:11:24] Okay. I’ll add that to my watch list right now, as we’re, as we’re, as we’re talking about this, I wanted to ask you actually, before we get into any mental health corner updates, if you have any, um, also, uh, just once again, your blogs are really good and really inspiring and, and I really appreciate you writing them, but I wanted to ask you, cause I was actually thinking about this.

[00:11:43] Last night slash this morning when I was still awake because of my weird, you know, um, body, um, not being back on the right time zone yet or whatever. Um, you would, we talked like one of our first episodes back about you [00:12:00] wanting to give up meat again or making that decision again. I was wanting to check in with you and see how, how is that going?

[00:12:06] Brett: [00:12:06] It’s going great. I, uh, I have not given up dairy. Um, I I’m making a carbon trade off. My girlfriend has given up dairy, but she eats meat, so I don’t eat meat and she doesn’t consume dairy. So between the two of us, we’re a vegan. Um, but yeah, I’ve, I’ve completely given up meat. Uh, I tried pescatarian for a few days and decided I don’t like fish that much.

[00:12:35] Um, so yeah, I’ve been, I’ve been vegetarian. I’ve been getting vegetarian meals from HelloFresh and the co op and been, yeah, I’m liking it.

[00:12:46] Christina: [00:12:46] That’s that’s good. And how is it working with, uh, with you too, in terms of your separate meals? Like, is she cooking or are you still cooking meat for her? Or how is that working?

[00:12:54] Brett: [00:12:54] She’s cooking her own meals. I’m cooking my own meals. I feel like for a while [00:13:00] there, I was doing a really good job of cooking for both of us. And it was really nice. Cause she’s working days now. Uh, she’s she’s doing like home care and she comes home pretty worn out. And it was really nice to be able to offer her dinner, uh, without her having to expend any more energy.

[00:13:21] But we’re we’re, I don’t know how it’ll play out in the long run, but for the time being we’re cooking separate meals and doing fine with it.

[00:13:30]Christina: [00:13:30] That’s good. That’s really good to know. Um, so yeah, but I just wanted to, to check in and do some follow up on that because I was curious, and that occurred to me last night slash this morning. I don’t know. So. We recorded just listeners might not know. We usually try to record on a certain day and then we release on the same day.

[00:13:49] But this week we actually recorded a couple of days late. And, um, now we’re recording the day we normally record, but a couple of hours early. And [00:14:00] so when we last talked, which feels like. Just a couple of days

[00:14:03] Brett: [00:14:03] It does.

[00:14:04] Christina: [00:14:04] eh, you know, and it was, but, but it’s, it is, uh, it’s further back than it seems. I was talking about how I was having to like set my like circadian rep or whatever, because I was going to have to do these really long night shifts.

[00:14:20] And I did that. So I did that on Tuesday night and Wednesday night. And. Then I had, I slept for a really, really long time on Thursday. Um, and then I had to wake up early yesterday to do stuff, and I thought that I was going to have some other stuff, uh, Friday afternoon that didn’t end up happening. And, and then I was going to try to go to sleep or whatever, and that didn’t really work.

[00:14:43] But then I wound up taking a nap of source, which wasn’t even that long. And then I woke up at around 10 or 11:00 PM and I’ve been up. Since then. So I might just do what I can to stay up all day to day so I can get back on like a normal [00:15:00] rhythm, but, um, yeah.

[00:15:03]Brett: [00:15:03] Um, so how did ignite go?

[00:15:06] Christina: [00:15:06] It went really well. It went really well. Um, it was, it was weird. It was different than what we’ve kind of done before, in terms of the way our live show goes, like our, our, what we call like our, you know, ignite live or build live, which basically is kind of like our ESPN sports center style show. And when the event is in person, we actually have like a really big desk, which was kind of modeled to look like.

[00:15:29] The sports center desk, I guess, massive. Um, you know, it can fit, I think, you know, eight people on it at once. Although usually only two or three of us are up there sometimes only one. And we have like a, a stage and we usually have like an, like an audience. Then we stream that out and then we bring people on and we do, you know, 15 to 30 minute interviews in this context because everything is virtual.

[00:15:49] We were doing things from the studio in terms of the live host. But then our interviews are with people was, was over Microsoft teams. Uh, but it was in the, the Microsoft production studios, [00:16:00] not our channel line studios and channel nine is kind of our scrappy little kind of like. Underground thing like we do, like the team, uh, does unbelievable, amazing work, um, on almost no budget and with very few resources.

[00:16:12] Uh, but the Microsoft production studios is like, I mean, the people who are on the crew, let’s put it this way. Most of them. Well, I think it was a fully union crew, but most of the people who were, uh, crewing had worked in live television, you know, like, like, uh, one of our, uh, stage managers for part of our shift, uh, works on Jimmy Kimmel show and is, is furloughed right now.

[00:16:38] And it’s just kind of waiting for him to bring everybody back on. And, you know, people have worked, you know, in, in television and suffer for years. And, um, even though it’s, it’s a small setup, it is, uh, Very similar to when I used to do like live TV, um, on, on cable networks and whatnot. And so, uh, [00:17:00] obviously what is different is that fat is not, the normal approach will be have for this sort of thing.

[00:17:06] This is a lot more professional in that sense. And then there are additional kind of restrictions and requirements around how social distancing works. So the host and I, uh, my cohost and I like. Even though we weren’t wearing masks on set. We were still having to be six feet apart at all times. Um, you know, from the desk and whatnot, uh, the crew and, uh, everybody else in the production was, was wearing masks.

[00:17:29] You know, there were separate makeup artists for each person and, you know, the cleaners were coming through all the time. So it was really safe and, and I, and that was similar to Microsoft build. But this time, um, there was more, I guess, Some of the program, some of the was just a little bit different. And so that was a kind of interesting getting used to the first day, Seth and I didn’t have as much to do the second day was a little bit busier, but it was just kind of a bunch of like, kind of like [00:18:00] hurry up and go and, and introducing different segments.

[00:18:02] But what was good about it was that when I did Microsoft build in may. And we did a similar thing where it was 72 hours live this time. It was 48 hours, uh, with build, um, I was by myself and so I did, I didn’t have anybody doing the live segments with me. I had, I had remote hosts. Out of the UK, uh, who, who were doing things, but none of us were in the same space together.

[00:18:28] And I was just kind of alone with the crew in the studio. And this time I had Seth Woraz, who was amazing. He is like a, uh, um, he’s practically PhD, but he just hasn’t completed his thesis or whatever. Um, and, um, um, Comp science and AI and machine learning, but he’s one of our advocates and he’s also just amazing on camera, super smart guys, super, uh, like congenial and also very, very relatable on camera.

[00:18:55] Just a terrific guy. And so he, and I just had a blast together [00:19:00] from, you know, our on air time was like, I think from like 11:00 PM until 7:00 AM the first day. And then it was like 11:00 PM until like, like 8:00 AM, um, the second day. And, uh, We had it. We had a really good time. So that was fun.

[00:19:16] Brett: [00:19:16] I, uh, I didn’t, I didn’t see any of it. I’m not, but I did see your outfits on

[00:19:22] Christina: [00:19:22] Yes. Well, thank you. That’s the most important part. Thank you very much. Yeah, I know. Honestly, the outfits are the best part. Yeah, no, I have to say like the content and it’s really fun when I get to interview people. Like I did a session on Microsoft edge coming to Lennox, which was cool. And, and there were some other interviews I did with some kind of amazing women in the community who were, were really, really outstanding.

[00:19:43] Yeah. But I’m going to be honest, whether it’s the live show or like what we are now doing in studios, for me, the best part of these things is always the fact that I get to, I know I’m going to get to dress up and do something cool with my clothes and bring [00:20:00] my style into it a little bit, which I appreciate that Microsoft doesn’t like.

[00:20:06] Make me stick to, not that anything that I, that I wear would in any way be inappropriate, but you know, I’m not like I’m not like wearing corporate, like, you know, dress stuff like it’s it’s right. I’m not doing that. I mean, I could, but like I w I was wearing, like, I wore like a, a hoodie dress the first day.

[00:20:23] And the second day I had like a jumpsuit, which was just

[00:20:25] Brett: [00:20:25] That was my favorite was the

[00:20:27] Christina: [00:20:27] Yeah. Mine too, which is just fantastic. Uh, and.

[00:20:30] Brett: [00:20:30] goth, Debo.

[00:20:31] Christina: [00:20:31] Yes, completely, completely. It was like retro futurism. It was just really, it was really good. Um, and like, uh, for build one year, um, the live event I had like this amazing dress that I got from diesel when I was in Dubai.

[00:20:44] And the dress was so good. It was just it’s, um, sleepless and it’s really form-fitting and it’s just awesome. And that it has kind of like these futuristic kind of looks Japanese. Like it just, it has just, it’s just an amazing looking dress [00:21:00] and. People were, and then the woman, uh, Joseph who’s one of our senior managers and she also did my makeup and hair and she’s just fantastic.

[00:21:08] She did, she made me look just incredible and people were coming up to me. I had like people asking to get photos with me. Not because they knew me, but because they wanted it because of the dress, because they like wanted to show people that somebody, I guess, was at a developer conference, like. Dress like that.

[00:21:26] I’m like, yeah, I am hi. Welcome to build. Uh, so yeah. Sorry. I’ll stop rambling now.

[00:21:33] Brett: [00:21:33] No, that’s all right. I used to get really into dressing up. Like I owned so many suits and, and nice shirts and matching ties and cuff links and socks and a rack of belts. Like I used to be, it used to really make me happy to get dressed up. And then I gained weight and. And didn’t buy new clothes and then I lost a bunch of weight.

[00:21:59] So the [00:22:00] clothes I did have didn’t fit anymore, and I’ve never really built my dressy wardrobe back up. I basically had a drawer full of t-shirts, um, and, uh, maybe five pairs of jeans that I kind of rotate between, but I just, if, if a formal occasion were to come up right now, Or if I had to be on screen for something other than some video cast, I don’t think I would have to go clothes shopping, which also might be fun.

[00:22:30] I kinda miss it.

[00:22:32] Christina: [00:22:32] Yeah. Yeah, I honestly, I had, so I bought both of the things that I got. I bought them both online and I was worried about how they were going to fit and both fit. Well, I actually could have gone a size smaller in the jumpsuit. It was an extra small, I could have it probably should have done the extra, extra small, but, uh, I know.

[00:22:49] Um, but, um, But that’s actually not a good thing. That’s a whole other topic, but, uh, but yeah, I, I had to buy them online and that’s always hard. [00:23:00] Uh, I miss clothes shopping, but I also know what you mean in terms of, you know, like we’ve talked about this before. Like when I gained weight, um, I didn’t get rid of all my other clothes and I got some other clothes, you know, I had to fit into which then I got rid of those when I lost weight, but it, it has made me weirdly.

[00:23:17] Like since I’ve lost the weight again. And it’s been several years now, like not that I was ever ungrateful or not that I was ever took it for granted, but it’s made me just that much more like, okay. Um, if I ha if I have the ability to, to look nice and, and, you know, get the stuff like, I’m not, I’m not taking that for granted and I’m going to.

[00:23:39] Going to do that and try to embrace that, which when I was a kid clothes shopping was the worst thing in the entire world. It was like the most horrific know, but like, it was just, it was, um, for me because of the size that I was and how it was different from my peers and how like my puberty was like, and all that stuff, like it was genuinely like a traumatic experience [00:24:00] going clothes shopping when I was like, you know, uh, early teens and even in high school, it wasn’t great.

[00:24:06] And, um, then I went through a period where I really liked it and like, I’m never gonna take it for granted because I know that I could change. So I, when I have the excuse to, to go all out and shop, I do,

[00:24:22] Brett: [00:24:22] Yeah. I, I used to have an Oscar dealer renter tux from my wedding and it, after I lost all the weight, I was able to fit back into it. And so in the back of my mind, at least if the occasion came up, I own my own tux and I wouldn’t have to rent some ill fitting shitty tux. Um, and then we had a cat that, yeah, I don’t know what problems were going on, but it started spraying and it sprayed the pants [00:25:00] of the tux.

[00:25:01] And I think, I don’t think I had it say in the matter, I think L threw them out. Uh, I don’t think she realized how much they were worth. But, but I’m not sure even if she hadn’t that I would have been able to make them wearable. I don’t know if you’ve ever tried to get cat pee out of something. It’s, it’s very difficult.

[00:25:23] So even

[00:25:25] Christina: [00:25:25] not, but you know what, like I know that that’s, that’s the smell that lingers.

[00:25:32] Brett: [00:25:32] I woke up to skunk smell last night. It is some, we don’t have great well-insulated windows. And I think a skunk either got hit or, or just sprayed near our house because last night I could not, could not sleep through the smell. It was awful and it lasts forever. You probably don’t have a lot of skunks in your big city life.

[00:25:56] Christina: [00:25:56] No, no, we don’t. I mean, um, at least not where I [00:26:00] live, it’s I’m sure that people who live like, cause the suburbs are real close. I’m sure that many of them do, but, uh, we sure don’t we have a, we have plenty of other things that smell real bad, but yeah.

[00:26:14] Brett: [00:26:14] This conversation has been so random. I’m not sure it’s been more random than our usual conversations, but it feels more random because we don’t have a bullet list.

[00:26:23] Christina: [00:26:23] Yeah, this is true. This is true. Um, okay. So on our billet list, now that we’ve done, we’ve, we’ve talked about some stuff I’ve rambled for a bit. Uh, do we have any mental health corner updates? How are you feeling? How’s the depression

[00:26:35] Brett: [00:26:35] I actually, I actually don’t have anything to add this week. It’s been like a totally stable, totally normal healthy week for me. I I’m I’m I’m doing well. How about you?

[00:26:48] Christina: [00:26:48] Uh, yeah, I mean, I’m pretty good. It’s it’s again, like, it’s been a weird thing just because I, you get the adrenaline and the high from like the live stuff, at least I do, but then it was also, you know, just the weird [00:27:00] time zone of it all. Like, um, I, my body. Has been used to and has been really good at switching, you know, like what cadence it’s awakened asleep at because I traveled so much, but it’s been now eight months since I’ve traveled.

[00:27:14] So, uh, that, that was a weird thing to kind of get used to. So

[00:27:21] Brett: [00:27:21] If, uh,

[00:27:21] Christina: [00:27:21] otherwise I’m good.

[00:27:22] Brett: [00:27:22] if the world changes and you start traveling again, what, what are we going to do with this show? Are you going to find a way to make it work?

[00:27:31] Christina: [00:27:31] Yeah, that’s absolutely. That’s what I did with what I did with rocket. Yeah. Rocket, we never missed an episode. If anything, there were a couple of weeks that I missed, but for the most part, what would happen would be even if like the only thing that would make it weird would be if I was going to be on stage during a recording time, then there would need to be an adjustment.

[00:27:48] But there were plenty of times when I was up at ridiculous times of. The night in Europe where, um, it’s like nine or 10 hours ahead of Pacific time. [00:28:00] And so, you know, um, like, you know, uh, seven or, or, um, uh, six or seven hours ahead of, uh, Eastern time. And I would still, you know, it was like, you know, it’s like, I have to get up at two or 3:00 AM or whatever I’ll be like, okay, that’s fine.

[00:28:17] I’ll do the, I’ll do the recording. So yeah,

[00:28:19] Brett: [00:28:19] if, if that happens and we have a sponsor and we just can’t miss a week, I’m gonna, I’ll beg Ashley to, uh, to come in and cohost in your, in your absence for a week.

[00:28:32] Christina: [00:28:32] I think that would be completely fine. I think that’d be completely fine, but yeah, no, I mean, if we, um, but no, I mean, I was pretty good about like making that work also. There’s the work travel stuff. That’s such an interesting, at least for this sort of travel that I was doing, there would be, you know, speaking to the conferences and doing all that stuff, which takes a lot out of you, but then there would be additional things in, in night activities and other stuff.

[00:28:58] And so having to stay up later or [00:29:00] whatever, wouldn’t be a big deal, you know what I mean? Like, or get up earlier or whatever. Um, yeah, I mean, there, there are parts of me that, I mean, well, no, there’s a lot of me that misses travel. I miss travel a lot, but. Um, it’s, it’s just weird how much my body has, like ha has to reacclimate to that kind of stuff.

[00:29:22] And, and, but, but to be totally honest, I don’t know when I’m going to be able to do that again. Like I have a feeling at least for work stuff. It’ll probably be a very long time before that’s gonna be the case, which is a shame, but it is what it is because, you know,

[00:29:36] Brett: [00:29:36] Well, because you were traveling for conferences, right?

[00:29:39] Christina: [00:29:39] exactly.

[00:29:40] Brett: [00:29:40] Conferences. Aren’t going to be a thing for the foreseeable future.

[00:29:44] Christina: [00:29:44] Exactly. It’s all this online stuff and that’s fine, but yeah, exactly. Yeah, no, I was traveling for conferences and usually like, you know, fairly deep international travel at bat and that’s probably going to take even more time to come back or at least to the point [00:30:00] where people would want to bring people from the United States in like, I, I, I would, if I buy we’re in another country right now and we were like, yeah, you’ve got the clearance to open up.

[00:30:10] Not real sure that I would be like, yes, let’s invite speakers from the United States of America.

[00:30:16] Brett: [00:30:16] Yeah.

[00:30:16] Christina: [00:30:16] real sure I do that.

[00:30:17] Brett: [00:30:17] Yeah. I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t. So did you watch woke?

[00:30:23] Christina: [00:30:23] No, I didn’t. I had no time.

[00:30:25] Brett: [00:30:25] I gave you homework and

[00:30:27] Christina: [00:30:27] know you gave me, I know you did. I know you did. Yes. I completely failed. I’m very sorry. I did not watch woke. I haven’t watched. Anything really, except for the newest episode of the vowel, which is the show about Nexium on HBO.

[00:30:41] Brett: [00:30:41] Okay.

[00:30:42] Christina: [00:30:42] Are you familiar with

[00:30:44] Brett: [00:30:44] I am not,

[00:30:45] Christina: [00:30:45] Okay.

[00:30:46] Brett: [00:30:46] I did just get HBO though. So if there’s a show I need to watch, I can do it.

[00:30:51] Christina: [00:30:51] amazing. Okay. So succession is one that you need to watch, which I told you last week. Okay. But the vow is, I think it’s an eight part documentary series and [00:31:00] it is about this. Cult frankly called Nexium INAX. Um, I V M and it was, was it ensnared, a lot of women and a lot of people kind of presented itself as like a self health sort of thing.

[00:31:16] And then turned into, like, there was like within the organization, there was a sub-organization where. Women basically became sex slaves to the male

[00:31:26] Brett: [00:31:26] I am

[00:31:26] Christina: [00:31:26] of the whole thing. Yeah, this is, this is the thing with Alison Mack, the girl from one of the girls from Smallville, who she was like big wig on it, big wick in it.

[00:31:35] Anyway, uh, the, the documentary is really, really good. It’s I think five parts have been released so far. I’m not sure how many more left, but it’s really, really good. Um, Some of the people have been in other projects, Sarah Edmondson, who’s a Canadian actress who was like a huge recruiter in the organization.

[00:31:56] She’s the one who is pretty [00:32:00] much responsible for bringing it to the public attention and kind of getting it shut down. There had been a lot of expos A’s over the years about them and what they were doing and people are kind of complained about stuff, but she was in this women’s only organizational though.

[00:32:13] She never slept with the. The big white guy and she was branded like they branded women. Like they like, you know, like branded their skin. And when she realized that the branding was this dudes initials and that he was involved, she was just horrified. And so she got really upset and she left and she also found out more information and she left and she went to the press and ended up being a big part of a New York times story.

[00:32:38] That was that led basically to the FBI, getting involved and investigating and then getting them for, um, you know, uh, not just, uh, like tax evasion and all kinds of other kinds of things, but also like, Sex trafficking. And so she’s, uh, she was in a podcast that the CBC did [00:33:00] called, um, escaping Nexium. And that was really good, but this is a different sort of thing.

[00:33:07] What I like about the series is that, and I read one of the reviews mentioned this, so I’m stealing this from someone, but it was a really pertinent point. Most like documentaries about cults, really focus on the cult leaders themselves. And this one, doesn’t, it focuses on the victims and the people who’ve left and it kind of Chronicles the period of, of them leaving up through I’m.

[00:33:31] I’m guessing it’ll go through the trial and, and other stuff. But, um, I appreciate that that perspective is very much focused on the members. Like the individuals, the people who left the people who are the victims, rather than building behavioral graphy. Of the, the cult leader and how people could be, you know what I mean?

[00:33:50] Like it’s not really about him at all. And it’s, it’s, it’s about their experiences, which is really good. So.

[00:33:58] Brett: [00:33:58] I will, I will check it out. [00:34:00] I, uh, my, I watch blow the man down on Amazon, which was okay. But I, I indulged in one of my favorite types of movies and I’m almost embarrassed to admit how much I like heist movies, but

[00:34:15] Christina: [00:34:15] love heist movies.

[00:34:17] Brett: [00:34:17] It’s the same formula every time, but every time I have fun, um, I watched the, uh, now you see me do Oh, uh, number one is still a lot of fun.

[00:34:29] Number two does not. If you watch number one and number two in succession, number two is an awful movie. You ever watched those? Have you seen

[00:34:39] Christina: [00:34:39] know. I haven’t, I’ve never seen him at all.

[00:34:41] Brett: [00:34:41] Oh, they’re fun. Well, the first one’s fun.

[00:34:44] Christina: [00:34:44] Okay. All right. I’ll watch the first one. No, I love a good height. I kept saying, uh, to, to the crew, I was like, I would kept quoting them love and I was like, it’s nice to be working with proper villains again. Um, yeah, no, I love a good heist movie. I love, uh, the [00:35:00] Italian job.

[00:35:00] Like even the remake, you know?

[00:35:03] Brett: [00:35:03] Yeah. The remake stood on its own. It was really good.

[00:35:06] Christina: [00:35:06] good. And honestly, that was the first one. Like it took him a few more years to figure it out, but that was the first one where Shirley’s thrawn was like a badass action star. And it took a few more years for them to really like cast her in those roles. But she held her own and like, she did a lot of her own stunts driving and stuff, even though.

[00:35:23] Some of the, like, she was underestimated because I think when she was cast in that, that was before she won the Oscar for monster. And, you know, she’s like super hot and like tall and Charlie’s throng. And so, you know, they, weren’t probably treating her with respect that they should have, but, you know, um, yeah, I, um,

[00:35:45] Brett: [00:35:45] I like that Shirley’s has become an action hero.

[00:35:47] Christina: [00:35:47] I do too. I do too. Have you seen, what is it, uh, the, uh, the old guard or what is it

[00:35:52] Brett: [00:35:52] No, that’s on my list. It’s

[00:35:54] Christina: [00:35:54] It’s really

[00:35:54] Brett: [00:35:54] next up on my list actually. That’s Netflix, right?

[00:35:57] Christina: [00:35:57] Yeah. That’s Netflix. Yeah, that’s fantastic. That’s [00:36:00] really, really good.

[00:36:01] Brett: [00:36:01] Yeah. It looked good. Um, I did enjoy her in the movie she did with what’s his name? The stoner guy. Um, funny, funny guy. He did the night before. Um, you got nothing. Um, Oh man. She did a movie where she was a politician and he was, uh, okay, I’m going to lose it now.

[00:36:30] I’m going to look it up while we’re talking here so that I don’t

[00:36:35] Christina: [00:36:35] Right. Are you sooner guys? So are we talking like Seth

[00:36:37] Brett: [00:36:37] yes, yes. That’s the one Seth Rogan. And Shirley’s the Rhone. Um, um, I’m headed to, I am DB. We’re going to find this. It’s called

[00:36:52]a filmography. I love IMD be on the phone,

[00:36:57] Christina: [00:36:57] I know,

[00:36:57] Brett: [00:36:57] but it’s not, not as good on the [00:37:00] web. Um, man. I don’t see it. I hope I hope I didn’t mix up actresses. Oh, wait. This is her producer credits. Why would I want to see

[00:37:12] Christina: [00:37:12] No, it’s, it’s called it’s called long

[00:37:14] Brett: [00:37:14] Yes. That’s the one that I enjoyed that I, I’m not a stoner. Like I haven’t smoked weed since my teens, but I do enjoy Seth.

[00:37:26] And just about everything he does.

[00:37:28] Christina: [00:37:28] No, he’s great. I enjoy him too. Um, he’s he’s great. And yeah, I actually, now that I’m looking at the, uh, uh, uh, I guess poster for it, I remember this, this was fun.

[00:37:39] Brett: [00:37:39] Yeah.

[00:37:40] Christina: [00:37:40] movie. Uh, she’s, she’s very funny. That’s the thing about her, Julie. She’s a great action star, but she’s very funny. Um, I, my late uncle always, he was very right about this.

[00:37:50] We would, you know, I loved the TV show, arrested development and people really, I think a Fox, a hard time about it canceling the show. They’re like, Oh, [00:38:00] you didn̵