203: Forced to Watch Cats

Christina and Brett-1

[00:00:00]Brett: [00:00:00] Welcome to episode two Oh three of over-tired with Brett Terpstra. That’s me and Christina Warren. How’s it going, Christina?

[00:00:08]Christina: [00:00:08] Well, I’ve been having a, I’ve been having some tech issues for the last, like 36 hours. So that’s definitely keeping me up and frustrated at night, but, uh, other than that pretty good. How about you Brett?

[00:00:22]Brett: [00:00:22] Well, I’ve been having my own tech issues, but only for the last like two hours. So we’ll have w w we’ll set aside a section of the show. Because we’re going to start with some Taylor Swift stuff that I, I have a surprising amount to say about it, but I don’t want it to be the whole show.

[00:00:41]Christina: [00:00:41] Yeah, no, let’s start with this. Cause, cause I sent you this. So, so give, give, give people the, the, the backstory, cause I texted you this, I did not know what your response was going to be and I still don’t. So.

[00:00:51] Brett: [00:00:51] Um, okay. So on Wednesday I got a text from Christina that just said must watch for the pod. And it was a link to [00:01:00] a YouTube video titled I designed a Taylor Swift theme park with 60 plus attractions and it was a half hour long video. And I grown, I believe my response was good Lord. And. I, uh, I put off watching it until today until the day we were going to record them, like, Oh shit, I gotta, I gotta do my homework and watch this video.

[00:01:25] And it ended up being a, a very soul searching experience for me because like my first reaction was. This guy is insane. Um, the, there should be like medical and everything engine here. And then over the course of watching it two more times, I realized that I have this very gen X, like I’m not allowed to like anything it’s against the rules for me to be excited about anything.

[00:01:57] It is uncool. To like things [00:02:00] and that’s my whole generation. That’s where, that’s how we approach all new things. And I realized I don’t love that. I, I don’t, I don’t want that to be my legacy. So I’m going to look at this. Let’s pretend this guy is my kid. Let’s pretend I have a kid who’s displaying this amount of creativity, this amount of passion about something.

[00:02:21] There’s no way I wouldn’t love it. And so I kind of, I watched it again with the kind of the perspective of. This kid is like crazy creative, super going like his attention to detail on this is, is it’s frightening, but it’s, it’s impressive. And ultimately, I came out with a bunch of notes about my favorite parts of it.

[00:02:41] So what did you think Christina?

[00:02:45]Christina: [00:02:45] I’m a millennial who was, was told that everything, um, that I feel in do is ballad and that I should be special. Um, even though, uh, I I’ve been telling my shrink since I was 19 years old, that I wanted to write a book called [00:03:00] you are not special. Um, uh, you know, a love letter to my generation. Um, I, uh, I obviously didn’t, I didn’t grow up with that whole perspective of like, you have to hate everything.

[00:03:11] In fact, I think that I’m not the same extent that gen Z, which this kid is, uh, but you know, we, we tend to like things and embrace things a lot. So my, my take was, I was just like, this is so creative. This is so insane. I was with you when I first, when I saw it on Twitter, I was like, Oh, I’m going to watch this.

[00:03:29] And then I saw it was like 30 minutes and I was like, God damn. I love Taylor Swift. I love what this does, but this is 30 minutes. This is going to be a lot, so found time to do it. And then I was like, okay, I’m, I’m here for all of this. This is genius. And I just to, I want somebody to like, make it in like the Sims or rollercoaster tycoon or, you know, something like that.

[00:03:51]Brett: [00:03:51] Okay. So. It starts out with a, well, he goes through the whole, the entrance to the park and everything, but one of the [00:04:00] first things he talks about yeah. Is, uh, the bad blood Swiss cycle. Like it’s a ride where you’re actually on the motorcycles from bad blood. And that immediately, that’s a good idea.

[00:04:12] That is like certain, certain Taylor songs or certain Taylor video, I should say. We’re kind of made for adaptation into theme park rides. It gets way more abstract from there, but there were touches the stay, stay, stay. Hotel was great. Get these little Easter eggs. And, uh, he talked about, this is a thing I didn’t know existed, but Taylor’s inner circle.

[00:04:36] This group of people that apparently have Oliver albums well in advance and all the B sides and everything, whatever. But he hid like a circle. There’s just, it’s just a circle in the

[00:04:49] Christina: [00:04:49] Yeah. It’s just a circle for them. Yeah,

[00:04:51] Brett: [00:04:51] that represents Taylor’s inner circle. Some of it was a bit on the nose, but, um, I had a question.

[00:04:58] At one point, [00:05:00] he, he has an attraction that starts out with a live spelling bee where you learn that spelling is fun. What is that a reference to.

[00:05:08] Christina: [00:05:08] So in the single me that came out in 2019 with Brandon Yuri. The fandom universally hated the song wasn’t that successful. There was initially an interstitial in the song where she was like, Hey, kids, spelling is fun. And, and, and then they go, you know, um, you know, uh, Uh, and then they of like spelling words out because you, you know, uh, cause you can’t spell awesome without me, you know?

[00:05:36] Uh, and so that’s what, that’s our fun, stupid. What was funny is that she clearly heard the feedback from the fans who were very vocal about hating that or making fun of that interstitial because regular people don’t care. It was Stan, Twitter and tumbler. That was like just, you know, an honestly, not even like vocally hating on it so much, just like.

[00:05:58] Like making memes and [00:06:00] making fun of it. Uh, she clearly saw that because when the album came out, the interstitial was removed from the song. Like that one line, Hey, kids spelling is fun, was actually removed from the song. So on the album, you can’t hear that anymore. So that’s

[00:06:13] Brett: [00:06:13] Peer pressure.

[00:06:14] Christina: [00:06:14] great.

[00:06:15] No, totally. But also that was a bad song. I like Brandon URI a whole lot. Uh, and that was, I’ll never forget. I was in, I was, was I in Amsterdam or was I, uh, no, I was in Stockholm. I was in Stockholm when, which is perfect because, you know, I had like Stockholm syndrome, basically. I was in Stockholm when the song was released.

[00:06:34] And honestly, my gut instinct was to be like, what is this? But because it’s Taylor, I had to be, I had to like find a way to convince myself that I was like into it and loved it and was super excited even though like in my deep heart of hearts, I was not feeling it. Um, I want to be liking much of the rest of the album when that came out, but that first song, man, that was, uh, that was a struggle.

[00:07:00] [00:06:59] Uh, and so, uh, yeah, so that’s, that’s the spelling bee.

[00:07:02] Brett: [00:07:02] Okay. Um, he had a lounge set aside for people who hadn’t met Taylor Swift, which there were certain areas of the park that he made sure to let us know. We’re going to have limited capacity like this, this section is for real thrill seekers. That’s why it has a limited capacity. And to me, when you’re planning out a very fantastical theme park planning in advance for like your, the lines and the waiting queues and everything that is that’s kind of genius, but he had a lounge that he didn’t put a capacity limit on.

[00:07:36] That was for people who hadn’t met Taylor Swift, that seemed. Has Taylor Swift met a lot more people than I think.

[00:07:43]Christina: [00:07:43] Well, she does historically, like maybe not as much anymore, but she does do that at least with her diehard fans where she meets them. And I’m like, I think that there was something she did one time where she did like, I don’t know, like 13 hours straight of a meet and greet. [00:08:00] And this was after she was already really famous where, you know, she was in Nashville and like sat someplace and took photos and met people for like 13 hours straight, which, um, you know what, even if you’re really.

[00:08:13] Even if you’re not famous, that’s a lot, but if you’re really famous and even if it is partially just kind of a PR exercise, that’s impressive. Cause I honestly can’t imagine like just the emotional toll of having to be on for that long. Uh, she does meet people, uh, and she does these things that she’s done for the last few years.

[00:08:31] Uh, she obviously didn’t do it with the latest album where she has these secret sessions, where she invites, you know, select bands to her houses where they’ll hear the album in advance. Um, I think what he was probably referring to is I’m guessing here, I don’t know, is that at least, especially with like the diehard Swifties and I’m not one of them.

[00:08:52] I mean, I keep up with their antiques online because it’s interesting to me, but I’m clearly both too old and too like, uh, abused by the [00:09:00] whole thing to actually be part of it where they, they keep track of the same people that get to meet her more than once. And, um, there’s like, Oh, there there’s incredible amounts of, of axed and drama over that.

[00:09:13] So she’s met a lot of people, but I think that this was probably more a reference to, you know, the fact that it seems like there are certain fans that she meets that have like four photos with her and Taylor nation, like her fan site people or whatever, who handle a lot of that. Like apparently there are supposed to be rules where, you know, you can’t have met Taylor.

[00:09:34] You know, within the last, however many years, you know, to be able to get a meet and greet opportunity again. Um, but they don’t police that cause how could you police that? Right? So that the fans try to be like the police, like, well, no, she met her drain, you know, this era and dah, dah, dah. I know he has four photos with her and dah, dah, dah, dah.

[00:09:52] And I’m like, dude, Taylor doesn’t know any of these people. Like she smiled and took a photo, honestly. She [00:10:00] took a photo and was like smiled. And honestly the fact that she had to go to court. Because when she did a meet and greet a radio, DJ grabbed her ass and then sued her when he was fired. And she had to like go through that whole thing.

[00:10:13] I think that we should be happy that she meets and takes photos with anyone at all. Because like I tell you what if that happened to me? And I had hundreds of millions of dollars and I had to go to court because someone, some older dude like violated me and then had the nerve to Sue me when he was fired for his actions.

[00:10:29] No way in hell I would ever do any sort of like. You know, public meet and greet ever again.

[00:10:35]Brett: [00:10:35] Yeah, no, I

[00:10:36] Christina: [00:10:36] that’s my own aside

[00:10:38] Brett: [00:10:38] There’s some, you’ve just described a whole bunch of really entitled people.

[00:10:43]Christina: [00:10:43] and teenagers. Yes. Which this guy I think is like 21. So, so I include him in this a little bit, but yeah.

[00:10:51] Brett: [00:10:51] Um, so she, she goes through every album. Like every album has a, uh, a land there’s lover land and [00:11:00] in 1989 land. And, um, he eventually gets to, and he, he says at the beginning that he kind of had to like folklore came out after he had designed this park. So he had to. Uh, revamp the whole thing to fit folklore in a, which feels to me like he’s not planning for the future.

[00:11:19] Cause clearly she’s putting out more albums, but, uh, the folklore river ride is the only place where it got a little bit literal, uh, for my taste. Uh, he had like a movie theater just so that you could see people exiting the side door based on one line of a song. And the piano player is specifically wearing Levi’s jeans again in reference to a single line. His reference for the lakes was a Lake and he a tight rope with mirror balls on it.

[00:11:51] Like all of these very literal or literal interpretations of lines from songs, it was a little worrisome there.

[00:11:58]Christina: [00:11:58] Yeah. See, I have a [00:12:00] feeling that this was, you know, what that felt like to me, it was like, okay, you’ve done this project. You’ve, you’re finished. This, this thing comes out of nowhere. And now you have to like, suddenly. Like, you know, pivot and, and you don’t have time. Like, you don’t have the emotional energy to go back and recreate and redesign things.

[00:12:18] You just need to make it work. So you’re just like, literally I have a feeling, he was probably like had like, you know, rap genius up and was like going through the lyrics. And it was like, all right, what do I need for this? And just, you know, like it was literally, the project is due tomorrow and it’s 11:00

[00:12:34] Brett: [00:12:34] Well, and he had years to work on the rest of it. He clearly had been thinking about it for a long time, and now he’s got like a month to put together, uh, for folklore land.

[00:12:45] Christina: [00:12:45] exactly. So I’m with you. I love that one. Not as best work. Uh, also I agree with you, like, he has not thought about expansion, like, you know, think like Walt Disney think like, uh, think like the, you know, the theme park, people think like, you know, um, the, the Roy’s [00:13:00] in succession, like you have to think about how you’re going to expand your theme park.

[00:13:05] Um, And, uh, and at least at the very least have like areas that you could connect to other plots of land so that you can have the second half of Harry Potter world, or, you know, Disney, California adventure, or whatever the case may be, because yeah, she’s going to need her own Epcot at some point, she’s going to need her own, um, you know, like other, uh, you know, the, the, the, the Simpson’s world and universal studios, like she’s going to need her own, uh, additional areas because.

[00:13:33] I mean, awesome. Awesome. Like, I feel like there could have been an entire dedicated experience just to cats, even though that was terrible. Like, I just feel like that was something that, that, that should have had a thing to like, honestly like the theater. Okay. Actually, that’s what he should have done the theater for folklore, a unit for that thing.

[00:13:49] The thing is the theater. You you’re forced to watch cats. That’s what that is. That’s what that ride is. And that’s why it’s the most terrifying ride in the entire park is you have to sit and watch cats [00:14:00] and that’s it.

[00:14:01] Brett: [00:14:01] He, uh, he had a, you need to calm down trailer park right next to the pop queen pageant with the meet and greet for all of the drag queen pop stars. Yeah, I w w okay. Tell me about Taylor and Katz.

[00:14:17]Christina: [00:14:17] She loves them.

[00:14:18] Brett: [00:14:18] D is this a common topic for her?

[00:14:21] Christina: [00:14:21] Yes.

[00:14:22] Brett: [00:14:22] Cause he had the state of grace performance palace with cat shows. Okay.

[00:14:27] So the, the one that I think at first, I was like, that’s ridiculous and stupid. And then I caught myself and said, wait a second. This is actually kind of genius. Was this speak now snowplow attraction, where you drive a snowplow and your goal is to pile up snow in front of the church, still to delay the man.

[00:14:53] The wedding so that Taylor can tell him how she really feels and, and he had it. So [00:15:00] there there’s only so many different tracks to snowplow can wait or take. And it always, it always has a happy ending, not for the guy, but for Taylor. And, but like this idea that it’s, you it’s interactive. Like you still, you get to make choices in this whole, uh, fantasy, winter Wonderland that he has inside this building.

[00:15:21] No, it was not.

[00:15:22]Christina: [00:15:22] Yeah. Yeah, no, I liked that. I liked that. I really did. Like, as you put it, it’s like, it’s not a happy ending for anybody, but Taylor, you know, uh, the poor girl who thinks that she’s gonna marry the guy, right? Like no one ever, no one ever thinks about bad girl in the, in this speak now song like. No, no one ever thinks about her at like, you know, just, I mean, which makes sense.

[00:15:44] I mean, that, that’s the person that, uh, that we don’t want to think of as similar to, uh, to, to, to friends, which is one of Taylor’s favorite shows where, you know, when, when Rachel, um, W when Ross said, I take the Rachel, uh, at, in the wedding vows and everybody dies. [00:16:00] Uh, you know, nobody really thinks about the poor Emily.

[00:16:02] Everybody’s just like, yeah, we didn’t like her. Just get her out of there. And that was me I’m with them. I’m like, yeah, screw Emily. But then you go back and you watch the show and you’re like, well, Ross really ruined her life. And, and like, it was just entertainment for removal. Like Ross really ruined her life.

[00:16:17] Like, you know, she was going to like, yeah, anyway,

[00:16:21] Brett: [00:16:21] Yeah, you gotta, you gotta know who you’re cheering for, ultimately. Um, so in short to summarize. This, uh, this very, uh, savant video, um, that I’m, I’m not diagnosing anything. Like he seems like a very nice kid. Uh, I, it, it leads to some questions for me, but I learned more about Taylor Swift through this, uh, theme park visitation of her albums.

[00:16:52] Then I did, uh, talking to you for how many years now.

[00:16:58] Christina: [00:16:58] Exactly six. [00:17:00] Yeah, no I I’m with you. And like, I’m not going to diagnose anybody either, because it’s not fair. I, but savant, like, I definitely think like if there was a spectrum thing would not be surprised. Uh, uh, very impressed though. This is one of I, I saw it and I was like, This is insane. And we have to talk about this because I didn’t think that you would take it this seriously.

[00:17:21] And I loved it. Like you got this into it, because my whole thing, I was just like I would there’s I try to think I’m like, okay, Christina, is this ever anything you would have spent this much time on? And I don’t know. I think maybe if I were really into theme parks and I were like 13 or

[00:17:39] Brett: [00:17:39] Yeah, that’s exactly it. I would have absolutely done this when I was 10.

[00:17:44] Christina: [00:17:44] Yeah. Yeah. Like, especially if like the, with the pandemic, when like you can’t go anywhere and you have nothing to do, like, this is the sort of thing that I would have done. Right. Uh, he’s a little bit older, which is also why it’s better. But I do honestly have to say, like, by the time I was his age, [00:18:00] no, we would not have done it.

[00:18:02] Having said that very glad that he did, because it’s fun to think about. And now I’m hoping that other people who have more time. And passions in this than me genuinely do like make a digital version of this in rollercoaster tycoon or the Sims or, or something grant that Datto, um, you know, any of the open world kind of moddable games, because I feel like that would be really cool.

[00:18:25]Brett: [00:18:25] Yeah. So,

[00:18:27] Christina: [00:18:27] I definitely, I definitely want to like be, I definitely want like some sort of mod at least of the bad, bad blood, you know, motorcycles.

[00:18:34] Brett: [00:18:34] yeah, I would play that, that video is fun. That was the tailor. That was the tailor I can most easily appreciate. Always.

[00:18:42] Christina: [00:18:42] well that’s peak Taylor.

[00:18:44]Brett: [00:18:44] Um, so I’m getting all these notifications from Slack right now because my friend, uh, Harold Chris Harold, his name’s Christopher, but he goes by Harold. So we just call him Harold, Chris, Harold.

[00:18:56] Um, Uh, you may know him as Harold Dena on [00:19:00] Twitter. Anyway, he’s telling me that, uh, listening to our last overtired, he says, the more I listened to the two of you, the more I’m convinced I have ADHD. And I have to say, uh, if there’s one thing that this show exists for is to very casually and unprofessionally allow people to self diagnose themselves with mental conditions.

[00:19:21]Christina: [00:19:21] That’s exactly it, it is, it is absolutely. I will Sue, I will Sue. Um, and also, you know, like Harold, Chris, Harold, I don’t know if you have ADHD or not only a doctor can tell you that, but, uh, but you probably do. Cause I think most people do so, uh, welcome to the family.

[00:19:39]Brett: [00:19:39] Oh, we’re, we’re not good for the mental health community. Apparently. get up, get a lot of people to pay that $800 for the test though.

[00:19:47]Christina: [00:19:47] Mean, see if only we got like residuals off of that.

[00:19:51]Brett: [00:19:51] Right. Um, I, I, I’m afraid that’s how too much of the medical industry works already.

[00:19:57] Christina: [00:19:57] I agree with you. And I think technically [00:20:00] that’s supposed to be illegal, but it exists anyway. Unfortunately it would be, for some reason, we wouldn’t be able to do that, but yeah.

[00:20:06]Brett: [00:20:06] Yeah. So. As I was taking these notes on, on this, uh, Taylor Swift theme park, my phone started move it, touching the screen on its own. Like it, like the back button would be hit when I was in the middle of typing or the app would exit in the middle of typing and not quit. Like you would actually, it would look like I had swiped up from the bottom.

[00:20:32] The screen had shrunk a little and then it had shrunk down and then the icons on the springboard would start wobbling. Like I had pressed and held them. And meanwhile, I’m not touching the screen at all. And it’s just moving around, uh, opening folders, closing folders, like ghosts and. Like a really clumsy ghost, I guess, but, uh, but have

[00:20:53] Christina: [00:20:53] Or a drunk ghost?

[00:20:55] Brett: [00:20:55] ever seen this happen before?

[00:20:56]Christina: [00:20:56] No,

[00:20:57] Brett: [00:20:57] Cause I rebooted twice and it’s still [00:21:00] happening. I’m hoping it’s just something to do with the beta that I’m stupidly on

[00:21:05]Christina: [00:21:05] yeah, let’s talk about that. I’m on the beta two. Are you on the dev beta or are you on the developer beta or were you on the user? Beta.

[00:21:11] Brett: [00:21:11] dev beta.

[00:21:13] Christina: [00:21:13] Okay. Same. And you’re on, you’re on, you’re on an iPhone 11, right?

[00:21:18] Brett: [00:21:18] Yeah, no 10.

[00:21:21] Christina: [00:21:21] Okay. I’m on an 11, uh, pro and, uh, I’m not having that issue, but I have had at least with the latest way of the one that came out this week, I’ve had a bunch of springboard crashes, like, like more than I’ve had in a while. Um, this beta for the most part has actually been pretty stable, especially compared to last year.

[00:21:43] Uh, because I stupidly even after last year’s debacle decided to do it this year. Um, but, and that was, I think in part, because iOS 13 in general has just not been a good release, but, uh, so I’ve had things where like, I’ll be in an app, [00:22:00] everything will be fine. And then all of a sudden the screen will go black and you know, the little spinny thing will happen because the springboard has hard crashed, and then it’ll take like 30 seconds.

[00:22:09] The phone will come back and I can go back to the app. And interestingly, the app saved state will be exactly where I left it. So I won’t lose anything. Uh, but springboard is hard crash, but I haven’t had this Phantom touch thing. That is interesting. That could be a hardware thing,

[00:22:27] Brett: [00:22:27] Like just, just to be clear. So I took the case off. I rebooted it, I cleaned the screen, so it feels like a hardware thing. And the touches seemed to happen at specific places on the screen. Like somehow it frequently is able, you know, when you go into an app from another app and it gives you the little back button and the very upper left, it’s somehow manages to hit that all the time.

[00:22:51] But if I try to hit it manually, I can’t, which makes me think there’s something going on with this screen.

[00:22:57] Christina: [00:22:57] Yeah, that makes, that sounds like the digitizer. Perhaps [00:23:00] it could be a beta thing. I mean, maybe software’s making it worse, but the fact that it happens consistently and you know, certain parts of the screen does make me think, like it might be a digitizer thing. Um,

[00:23:13] Brett: [00:23:13] My girlfriend, my girlfriend cracked the screen of her iPhone eight and, uh, she had a Syrian protection on it. And so she sent, they sent her a loner. She sent in her, her smashed screen. And a week later she gets a box in the mail and she opens it up and it’s her smashed screen phone, but with a glass plate over it. Well, and that was our reaction, but also the glass plate didn’t have a hole to get to the button. And it wasn’t touch sensitive. So not only was it, it wasn’t just a screen protector. It was actually like, it looked like it was, it was put on there to keep the glass in place while they sent it for actual screen replacement, but they sent it back to her instead. [00:24:00] So I think we have that all taken care of. Now, she spent like three more hours on the phone trying to get this figured out, but I don’t, that’s why I’m hoping it’s a beta thing and not a hardware thing. Cause I don’t want to deal with replacements.

[00:24:13]Christina: [00:24:13] Yeah, no, I don’t blame you. And like, in, in a typical thing, like, especially cause it’s an iPhone 10, so it’s older. I feel again, just take it to anybody who is kind of reputable and has the parts, but I don’t know how open stuff is in your areas. Even get repairs.

[00:24:30] Brett: [00:24:30] Oh, yeah, we don’t really have, I guess there’s one guy like that’s authorized about half hour from here, but.

[00:24:36]Christina: [00:24:36] best buy is authorized now, but you know, that’s, uh, your mileage may vary with that, but at least they are authorized to do, you know, phone repairs and stuff. Um, but yeah, uh, yeah, th that complicates things. I don’t blame you. I hope it’s, uh, I hope it’s a software thing too. Um, Other than that, other than the screen moving, like, have you had other [00:25:00] issues with the, with the beta.

[00:25:01] Brett: [00:25:01] Um, mostly aesthetic stuff like, um, The Twitter app is it’s still messed up, uh, ever since I installed the beta. Uh, but that’s more, uh, I would say Twitter’s fault at this point. Um, but just little quirks on the screen that seemed to get it. They seem to improve with every beta release. Uh, so I haven’t been filing reports like a good boy.

[00:25:26] I’ve been just kind of patiently waiting.

[00:25:29]Christina: [00:25:29] Yeah. I, uh, the only thing that I’ve like obsessively filed things over and they have at least fixed it a little. But was the changes they made to the alarms app, um, are bad and make it more difficult for you to set the alarm. At least now they have, re-introduced the kind of slider mechanism to set the time.

[00:25:48] Um, you know, like in the old app. So I haven’t weirdly, I haven’t updated it on my iPad pro I’ve only put the beta on my iPhone, but yeah. You know, like for the end of, you know, [00:26:00] since the beginning of time how the alarm app has worked is that you get. You know, like three or like, I guess, um, yeah, like, like, like three different areas where you have, you can kind of cycle through by scrolling your finger.

[00:26:11] And it’s kind of like a, um, like a wheel sort of motif to set the time of your alarm. And it’s, it’s really consistent and, um, works real well for me. Um, and, and I’m, I’m used to it. It’s fast. What they’ve done though, is that now I guess they’re like, Oh, well, wouldn’t it just be easier if you could type in.

[00:26:30] You know, the time that you want. And sure. I guess the problem is, is that in the early betas where you would need to type would, uh, not correspond with what you were trying to change. If I was trying to add 15 minutes to, you know, a time probably trying to like increase the hour by something, it would, you know, take me to a different thing.

[00:26:52] And I, and I’ve, I’ve got a, you know, it was just a pain. So now they have at least re-introduced, um, a smaller. Um, [00:27:00] kind of a wheel sort of mechanism to set the line. So that’s better. So I can stop filing bug reports on that now. But, uh, that was like the one that they were probably really tired of seeing them from me.

[00:27:12] Cause I was filing one, like every single thing, I was like this, but I was like, this is bad. This is a regression. Like, this is not good. Uh, other than that, yeah, the, the widgets keep improving, but there are little bugs and UI things with that. But other than that, I have to say I’ve been, I’ve been largely impressed, but that also feels like Stockholm syndrome

[00:27:34] Brett: [00:27:34] Yeah.

[00:27:34]Christina: [00:27:34] 13 was so bad that, you know, I’m kind of like, well, if it’s not crashing and making my life miserable and taking everything with me and, uh, you know, drain my battery, then like I’m, I’m amazed.

[00:27:49] So

[00:27:50] Brett: [00:27:50] I do. I love the idea of having widgets on my home screen, like in, with all my folders and icons, but I have not found a good use for [00:28:00] it yet.

[00:28:00]Christina: [00:28:00] Yeah, same. I’m the exact same position. So I have them on like one screen and I don’t do anything else. I do like the app library a lot. I like that a lot. I, I do. Um, but I have tons of apps and I have way too many pages. And so this has been a good way to just sort of. You know, get rid of all of that. And then I can just choose certain apps that I want.

[00:28:22] The only thing that’s frustrating is, and they got rid of this years ago and it still annoys me is that there was a time when you could use iTunes on your Mac to organize your home screen. And that was so much faster because if I had a keyboard and a mouse, you know, and I could drag things or I could search from things and I could just kind of put it aside, it made it way easier to organize, but now it’s still like, You know, even though the app library is really nice and I like how it auto organizes stuff, there are certain things that I’m going to want to organize and have myself, but it’s really difficult still to like search, find where the app is, [00:29:00] what screen is on awareness and the app library located, you know, breast and hold and then drag it to the screen.

[00:29:06] You want it on? Like, it’s just, it’s really not ideal. So I, that still annoys

[00:29:12] Brett: [00:29:12] you know about the two finger thing? If you press and hold till it jiggles and then use another finger, you don’t have to drag to the edge of the screen to move between pages. I guess that’s

[00:29:25] Christina: [00:29:25] know what I think

[00:29:25] Brett: [00:29:25] to most people, it was new to me.

[00:29:28] Christina: [00:29:28] no, I think I did know that, but I think I’ve forgotten that. So I appreciate that reminder because that will likely make things easier. Uh, I know, I

[00:29:36] Brett: [00:29:36] helps a little, but still organizing with your fingers is not fun. I do do it obsessive really though. My all, I have hundreds of apps, all organized into folders by verb, like for what they do. I have folders like consume control, explore, filter, learn, and everything is sorted. And therefore. The app library is unintuitive to me because I [00:30:00] already, I already have a very similar system set up per finding the apps I use.

[00:30:05] I even have one that is recent. He added that is stuff that if I, if I use, if it’s in reading recently added and I start using it a bunch, then it gets moved into a real folder.

[00:30:16] Christina: [00:30:16] See see, that’s good. Okay. So on my iPad, I have that done, right. Um, but on my phone, because I have, I guess, done like the, the clean, you know, install less recently. On my phone. That’s not the case. So on my phone, I, you know, it wasn’t a place where I was like, there were, you know, just dozens, maybe even hundreds.

[00:30:39] I don’t even know how many apps that were not organized. I used to obsessively organize them and then I stopped. And if you don’t keep up with it, at least I’ve found, it becomes very, very difficult to go back. And to the point that usually my solution is to just the next time I get a new phone. Set it up as a new device [00:31:00] and then re-install apps manually and put them in those folders the way that I want, which is what I had to do with my iPad actually.

[00:31:06] And that’s why my iPad and I had the same way. Like I don’t have burbs, but I have similar things. I’ve code, you know, browsers, streaming, Google, you know, stylists, remotes, you know, news, you know, like finance, like I have all that type of stuff set up. And so I’m a similar situation with you where at least in my iPad, it’s super fluid.

[00:31:27] But on my phone where I haven’t been able to do that, it, it can be kind of useful. Um,

[00:31:34]Brett: [00:31:34] Thing frequently where they clearly want to get away from the idea of like a file system. Or, or even a desktop full of icons. And I mean, spotlight has always had the goal of, um, making it easy to find files without having to go through thousands of folders. And I feel like they’re constantly improving spotlight on iOS and the app library feels like they’re [00:32:00] when they did remember launchpad.

[00:32:02] Do you ever use launchpad?

[00:32:03]Christina: [00:32:03] No, but I remember it.

[00:32:05] Brett: [00:32:05] Um, it’s still there for

[00:32:07] Christina: [00:32:07] Yeah. I know.

[00:32:08] Brett: [00:32:08] actually use it, but it feels like they’re trying that same tact on the iPhone and maybe it’ll work better. Like if, if it impresses people like you, who, who have that many apps and it’s helpful, maybe they’re getting it right this time, I guess, launchpad didn’t do didn’t bother organizing things for you, but it did give you a type ahead.

[00:32:32] Search for launching apps. So I got it

[00:32:37] Christina: [00:32:37] Yeah. Yeah. Launchpad was weird because launchpad was that came out in Lyon, I believe. And it was such a clear, like this isn’t, this is something that we’ve taken from iOS and, uh, you know, This is the sort of thing that would be good on a touchscreen device, more than it is with, you know, a mouse cursor.

[00:32:57] The only thing I’ve ever used launchpad [00:33:00] for has been Ben to delete something from the Mac app store, because it’s much easier to find the app that way and then click and hold and click on the X button to do that on the so like that’s literally the only thing I use. Yeah. Launch pad for. Um, my fear with app library is that.

[00:33:20] It might be one of those things that’s useful, but unintuitive to the regular people that could actually get use out of it, meaning that like their discovery of it might like if it’s because it’s by default at the very end of your screens, you might not know it exists and they might not make it clear to be like, Hey, you can delete these other app screens and your apps.

[00:33:44] Aren’t going to go away. Um, You know, I think, I think that’s going to be the challenge they’re going to have is like, how do you get regular people to kind of know that this, this can be another option, like in a weird way, it would almost be beneficial if they had a launch pad type of button, [00:34:00] um, or at least like big folder launcher that you could put on one of your other home screens that would take you into that view.

[00:34:07] Uh, you know, which is what Android does.

[00:34:11] Brett: [00:34:11] Oh, this is cool. It gives me a test flight folder. All of my test flight apps are automatically corralled together. That, uh, I’ll I’ll, I’ll give it that that’s handy.

[00:34:22] Christina: [00:34:22] Yeah, I do. I do have to say, like, I wouldn’t necessarily pick all the organizations the way that they do, but I have noticed in the last few beta updates that it’s gotten smarter and better, uh, similar to the way that, uh, the photos app does a pretty good job with kind of its automatic collections. Like, you know, when they introduced the screenshots one.

[00:34:42] I was like, because I’d had my own screenshots folder and like I’d had like a, a mechanism that I would go through for years where I would find screenshots and put them into a specific place, um, using some Python or whatever. And I was like, Oh, cool. Don’t have to do that anymore. That’s real nice.

[00:34:57] Brett: [00:34:57] Yeah. Yeah, they get it [00:35:00] right once in a while. So what you were saying, you had some, uh, some Catalina stuff going on

[00:35:06]Christina: [00:35:06] yeah, so I hate Catalina. It is, it is the worst. It is the worst Mac operating system, I think that I’ve ever used. Um, yeah. Yeah. Uh, I, you know, when it came out because of all the different permission stuff, people were comparing it to the Microsoft Vista to windows Vista rather. And, and I thought that that was after the time, but I actually think that that’s unfair to Vista because Vista was bad.

[00:35:33] Vista Vista was bad. Uh, but Vista was bad primarily because a, the stupid, you know, like, um, you know, permission system, but also it, it required more horsepower than the machines that people were using it on. And even some of the machines that was sold on and, you know, like you needed a really good graphics card from the Aero glass and it just, you know, it was a mess in that way, but.

[00:35:58] You know, within a few years, [00:36:00] once computers got more powerful and whatnot, like it was, it was OK. And, and they, they, you know, cut down on some of the most egregious stuff with windows seven, which I think, you know, most people have kind of considered like the, the like ideal, um, windows release at least of a certain type.

[00:36:17] You know, it was, it was, uh, maybe not like as good as. Maca West, but it certainly was like, if you’re going to use windows, like this is like the platonic ideal of, of, um, you know, windows from kind of the, the XP, uh, era. And like, I guess that, that version of the kernel era or whatever. Um, so yeah, I think that it’s, but, but, but Vista, you know, had some decent things.

[00:36:41] I, uh, I think the Catalina, the, the better analogy frankly, is, uh, the, the windows millennium edition windows, Emmy. Uh, which is, I still have, like, this is now coming on 20 years. I have significant [00:37:00] anger issues about from being like a high school student who bought the upgrade for cheap and installed it and watched it do terrible things to my system, to the point that I had to re-install windows 98.

[00:37:12] Second edition. And when I did that, I was trying to back up my email and I backed up the wrong folder because outlook change where they, you know, sort of database too. And I lost four years of email, which I’m still mad about. So, uh, and, and what does it mean was so bad that it came pre-installed on the machines that.

[00:37:29] We used when we went to college, which like happened right when XP came out and, uh, I, I booted that computer, uh, that came with windows and me, and it came with, uh, like a free, you know, future release of XP. They’re like, okay, we’ll mail you, you know, XP, um, in the future so that you can upgrade. Uh, and, um, I literally booted that computer with, with windows me on at one time.

[00:37:54] And that one time was just so I could insert the burned. Uh, like windows XP, [00:38:00] like a leak that had the, the, um, serial key that everybody used on the internet like that, once somebody, somebody found it, this was like the first week of school before the classes even started somebody. Um, one of my friends had that burned it on.

[00:38:15] A CDR wrote the cereal on the, um, you know, the paper sleeve gave that to me. And that was the only time I ever booted that operating system on that machine. And then I used that CDR to upgrade all of my roommates computers and about half the other people in the dorms. And that was how I met friends.

[00:38:33] Like my first week of college was putting XP on people’s computers. Well, it was, it was that, and it was awesome either net ports, because people, not every computer you bought would automatically have an ethernet port at that time. Like it should have, but they didn’t. So many of them still came with modems instead, and kids didn’t realize that.

[00:38:51] And I was like, Oh, okay, well you need to spend $30. And get this card and they’re like, well, how do I open up my machines? How do I open up my Dell or whatever? And I’m like, I got you. [00:39:00] Um, and so, you know, and I w