Orange and Brown Talk: Cleveland Browns Podcast
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Did Andrew Berry fix the Browns’ offensive line? Plus the latest on a Shedeur Sanders-Deshaun Watson QB battle
The new league year is here, and Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe are breaking down all the latest Browns moves on the Orange and Brown Talk podcast. They start by grading Andrew Berry's aggressive overhaul of the offensive line, analyzing the additions of players like Tytus Howard and Zion Johnson. Did the GM ace his biggest offseason assignment? The crew then shifts to the remaining needs on offense, debating whether the Browns have done enough to improve their weapons. They discuss the state of the wide receiver room and whether the team can rely on its current players, like Jerry Jeudy and Ced Tillman, to step up under new head coach and play-caller Todd Monken. The quarterback situation is also a hot topic, as they explore the likelihood of the Browns entering the season with a competition between Shedeur Sanders and Deshaun Watson. Finally, they provide an important update on Joel Bitonio, explaining why the veteran guard has earned the right to take his time with his retirement decision and what his future means for the newly constructed line. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Browns rebuilding the offensive line, then breaking NFL news crashes the podcast
Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe are back to recap Day 2 of free agency on the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, an episode that went off the rails in the best way possible. They start by diving deep into the Browns' offensive line rebuild, analyzing the new additions of Elgton Jenkins and re-signing of Teven Jenkins. They discuss what the starting five might look like and what these moves could mean for Joel Bitonio's future with the team. Then, in a wild turn of events, major NFL news breaks mid-recording. Listen to their real-time reaction as they learn that the Baltimore Ravens have backed out of the blockbuster trade for Maxx Crosby due to a failed physical. They break down the immediate implications for the Raiders, the Ravens and the potential domino effect across the entire league as free agency continues. The episode wraps up with a look at the Browns' pass-catchers and whether the team still needs to make a significant addition to the receiver room. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Browns make their first moves in free agency: What do they mean
Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe are breaking down all the action from Day 1 of the NFL's legal tampering period on the Orange and Brown Talk podcast. The Browns made two significant moves, signing former Chargers guard Zion Johnson and Jets linebacker Quincy Williams. We get into how both players fit, with a special focus on Williams' connection to new defensive coordinator Mike Rutenberg and how Johnson brings much-needed durability to the offensive line. We also discuss how the Williams signing came together after the Browns lost Devin Bush to the Bears. But what about the moves the Browns didn't make? Should they have been more aggressive in pursuing quarterback Malik Willis, who landed in Miami? We debate whether passing on Willis was a mistake. Plus, the wide receiver room is still a question mark. Is a trade for Jacksonville's Brian Thomas a realistic possibility? We look at Andrew Berry's history of trading for receivers and what the team might do next to add weapons to the offense before the NFL Draft. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Should the Browns make a run at Malik Willis?
On this Friday edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe dive into the Browns' latest offseason move: the annual restructuring of Deshaun Watson's contract. They explain why this was a necessary bookkeeping move to get under the salary cap and how it frees up money for free agency. The crew discusses how this strategy, while common for teams with high-priced quarterbacks, stings more when you haven't gotten elite performance in return. With new cap space, the focus shifts to the quarterback position. Should the Browns make a bold, aggressive run at free agent Malik Willis, a player they nearly drafted in 2022? The hosts debate the pros, cons and potential price tag. They also look ahead to the NFL Draft, breaking down the early top-30 visit from Alabama QB Ty Simpson. They analyze his connection to offensive coordinator Todd Monken and where he could land in the draft. Plus, they discuss another key visitor, top wide receiver prospect Carnell Tate, and what it means for the Browns' plans with their first-round pick. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
How the Browns new coordinators can change the game
On this episode of the Orange Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe are back in Berea to break down the introductory press conferences for the Browns' new coordinators. First up: Defensive Coordinator Mike Rutenberg, who lived up to his high-octane reputation. They discuss his energetic, emotional style, his philosophy of playing violent football and the invaluable addition of veteran coach Dom Capers to his staff. They analyze how Rutenberg plans to follow the tough act of Jim Schwartz by focusing on relationship-building. Next, they turn to new Offensive Coordinator Travis Switzer. They explore his complementary role to head coach and play-caller Todd Monken, his expertise in the run game and the coaching staff's belief that a new system can elevate players like Jerry Jeudy. They also get into the quarterback situation, the team's public support for Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders and whether a big move could still happen. Finally, they touch on new Special Teams Coordinator Byron Storer and the challenge he faces in fixing a unit that was a major liability last season. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Should the Browns chase Kyler Murray? Breaking down the fit and the risk
On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe react to the news that the Cardinals are releasing quarterback Kyler Murray. They discuss whether the Browns should pursue the former No. 1 overall pick, weighing his tantalizing mobility and talent against the red flags of his health and consistency. They also debate the Browns' other quarterback options. Should they stand pat and let Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders compete? Is Malik Willis a realistic target, or will he be too expensive? Could taking a flyer on a raw but talented prospect like Anthony Richardson be a worthwhile gamble for Todd Monken to develop? Finally, they look ahead to the introductory press conferences for the Browns' new coordinators. What are they most interested in hearing from new defensive coordinator Mike Rutenberg and offensive coordinator Travis Switzer. They touch on the influence of veteran coach Dom Capers and what the hiring of Switzer, a former run game coordinator from Baltimore, says about the team's offensive philosophy for the upcoming season. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Browns make their first big move: What it means for the draft and at QB
On this Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe are back from the NFL Combine and ready to break down the latest Browns news. They start with the team's first big offseason move: the trade for offensive lineman Tytus Howard, which includes a three-year, $63 million extension. How does this acquisition impact the Browns' draft strategy? Dan and Mary Kay discuss whether the team will still target a top offensive tackle or if this move gives them the flexibility to address other needs. The conversation then shifts to the most-talked-about position: quarterback. The hosts analyze the open competition plan and debate whether the starting job will come down to a battle between Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders. They explore why new head coach Todd Monken would prefer to have his QB1 decided before training camp begins. With free agency and the draft approaching, they also touch on other potential quarterback scenarios, the unlikelihood of landing Malik Willis and the general unpredictability of the NFL offseason. Listen for all the post-combine analysis and insider insight on how the Browns' roster is beginning to take shape. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Is there a quarterback for the Browns in this draft?
Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe are wrapping up their week at the NFL Combine, but first it’s a Friday edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast. Today it’s all about the quarterback and wide receiver prospects. The main discussion centers on Alabama QB Ty Simpson. Mary Kay shares her positive first impressions and details his interesting connection to Browns head coach Todd Monken through his father. The crew debates how far Simpson would have to fall for the Browns to draft him and if he's a realistic option to challenge Shedeur Sanders. They also explore the "damaged goods" nature of this QB class, looking at potential value picks on Day 2 or 3 like Garrett Nussmeier and Medina native Drew Allar, both of whom have shown flashes of high-end talent. The conversation then shifts to the deep wide receiver class. Ashley details her interview with Jordyn Tyson, the brother of Cavs player Jaylon Tyson, and his potential as a precise route runner. Finally, they debate the Browns' biggest draft needs, weighing the value of taking a premium receiver like Carnell Tate at pick No. 6 versus addressing the offensive line. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
What can we believe about the Browns’ QB plans?
Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe are are still at the NFL Combine, but first they take a pod to reset some of what they’ve heard the first three days on the Orange and Brown Talk podcast. The Browns quarterback room is the main topic of conversation. With Andrew Berry and Todd Monken heaping praise on both Shedeur Sanders and Deshaun Watson, is a training camp battle inevitable? Or could the front office have another move up its sleeve? They discuss if the public comments are genuine or a smokescreen for a bigger move, like a trade for former first-round pick Anthony Richardson. They debate whether adding another QB would muddy the waters or if it's the type of move to expect from Berry. Then, the conversation shifts to the defense and a key upcoming free agent: linebacker Devin Bush. After a career-revitalizing season, is bringing Bush back the team's No. 1 priority? Mary Kay explains why he's so important to the defense, his journey back from a torn ACL and what his next contract could look like. The group analyzes how his performance has been a huge win for the front office and why continuity on defense is crucial heading into next season. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
How much does Todd Monken believe in the Browns QB room? Day 2 combine recap
On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe check in from the NFL Combine to break down everything from new head coach Todd Monken's highly anticipated press conference. The crew discusses how Monken's refreshing, candid and genuine style is a significant change of pace from the buttoned-up approach of his predecessor, Kevin Stefanski. A major topic of discussion was the quarterback room. Monken offered glowing praise for Shedeur Sanders, calling him an "elite playmaker" and stating unequivocally that he could be ready to start Week 1. The hosts also analyze Monken's comments on Deshaun Watson. They explore the coach's open-mindedness and confidence in his ability to rekindle Watson's past success, while also considering the significant physical hurdles Watson must overcome after multiple major surgeries. The conversation also touches on the young, energetic coaching staff Monken has assembled, including new DC Mike Rutenberg, and the overall feeling that "Todd is just Todd." Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Did Andrew Berry give Browns fans any clues about quarterback? Combine Day 1 recap
Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley and Dan Labbe are at the NFL Combine in Indianapolis all week on the Orange and Brown Talk podcast. The crew breaks down everything from Browns GM Andrew Berry's press conference. While Berry didn't reveal all his cards, the quarterback position was front and center. They discuss the ongoing competition between Shedeur Sanders and Deshaun Watson, and Berry's confirmation that the team is exploring all external options, including names like Malik Willis and Ty Simpson. With Berry open to a training camp battle, it's clear that anything can happen. The conversation then shifts to the highly anticipated press conference with new head coach Todd Monken. Will his "loose cannon" style provide more definitive answers on the offense? Plus, the hosts dive into other key takeaways from Berry's availability, including a potential overhaul of the offensive line, the uncertain future of cornerback Martin Emerson Jr. following his Achilles injury and the unfortunate news regarding linebacker Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah's career. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
A JOK update, Deshaun Watson’s chances and QB options: Hey, Mary Kay!
On this Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe get you ready for the NFL Combine. First, they start with some unfortunate news on linebacker Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah. Mary Kay has an update on his status after his scary neck injury, and it's not what Browns fans want to hear. Then, they dive into the quarterback position. What are the pros and cons of the Browns pursuing a free agent like Malik Willis? Would he immediately become the starter over Deshaun Watson and Shedeur Sanders? Speaking of Watson, they discuss his chances of returning to the field, noting that he's healthy and has been told he will have a chance to compete for the starting job. Finally, they look at the NFL Draft and a listener question about drafting two offensive linemen in the first round. With the Browns needing to rebuild in the trenches, could they use both of their first-round picks to address the offensive line? It's a packed episode to get you ready for a week of news from Indianapolis. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Browns NFL Draft preview: Tackles, sleepers and the Caleb Downs debate
On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Lance Reisland and Dan Labbe dive into the 2026 NFL Draft. They start in the trenches, breaking down the top offensive tackle prospects like Spencer Fano from Utah and Francis Mauigoa from Miami. Lance explains why he values 'nastiness' and a love for the game over pure analytics when scouting linemen, and they identify some Day 2 and Day 3 sleepers. Then, the conversation shifts to the skill positions, including Jordyn Tyson, Makai Lemon and Carnell Tate. Of course, the guys have the mandatory Cleveland media discussion: Should the Browns take Ohio State safety Caleb Downs at No. 6? They debate the philosophy of drafting the best player available versus a premier position of need like offensive tackle. The episode wraps with a look at the quarterback class, discussing why a player like Garrett Nussmeier might be a forgotten man and what to make of Alabama's Ty Simpson. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Andrew Berry faces biggest test yet in rebuilding Browns offense
On the latest Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe are looking ahead to the NFL Combine. They discuss the challenges of covering the event and how it kicks off a crucial offseason for the Browns. The conversation turns to the offensive line, a major area of need. After a successful 2025 draft, can Andrew Berry hit on positions like O-line and wide receiver where he's had misses in the past? They shift to the other side of the ball to break down the hiring of new defensive coordinator Mike Rutenberg. They discuss why the first-time play-caller is a good fit to continue the Jim Schwartz system. They explain why that continuity is vital for the success of Myles Garrett and the rest of the defense. Plus, Ashley shares a story about being on a Frontier flight with no Wi-Fi when the news broke. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Inside Mike Rutenberg’s defense: How it compares to Jim Schwartz’s system
On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Lance Riesland joins Dan Labbe to break down the Browns' hiring of new defensive coordinator Mike Rutenberg. Lance dives into what he's seen on film, explaining how Rutenberg's philosophy is similar to Jim Schwartz's with its aggressive front, but will feature more schematic differences. The guys also tackle the challenges Rutenberg faces as a first-time play-caller and discuss the decision to move on from Schwartz. They look at specific players, including what Martin Emerson Jr.'s role could be in a crowded cornerback room and the potential for Denzel Ward to travel with top receivers more often. Finally, they shift to the offense, exploring what new head coach Todd Monken will prioritize this offseason, from fixing a potentially depleted offensive line to maximizing the talent of receivers like Isaiah Bond. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Why the Browns chose Mike Rutenberg as defensive coordinator
On a Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe dive into the Browns' hiring of new defensive coordinator, Mike Rutenberg. They start by discussing why the Browns opted for a first-time coordinator and how Rutenberg's experience under coaches like Robert Saleh will allow him to run a system similar to Jim Schwartz's. Mary Kay and Dan also explore the importance of keeping the defensive staff in place for a smooth transition and the challenge Rutenberg faces in earning the trust of veteran players who were loyal to Schwartz. Then, the conversation shifts to offseason roster questions. They look at the future of cornerback Martin Emerson Jr., who is recovering from a ruptured Achilles, and whether there's a place for him with the emergence of Tyson Campbell. Finally, with the NFL Draft on the horizon, they answer a subscriber's question about whether the Browns might trade down from the No. 6 overall pick to accumulate more draft capital. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Is Shedeur Sanders already QB1? We answer our listeners’ questions
On this episode of the Orange Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe turn the show over to their Football Insider subscribers. They tackle a series of true/false, agree/disagree and fill-in-the-blank questions covering the biggest offseason topics for the Browns. The discussion kicks off with the search for a new defensive coordinator. Will the Browns promote from within and name Jason Tarver, or will they bring in an external candidate like Cory Undlin? Mary Kay and Dan also debate whether the Browns' dominant defense is due for a step back next season. A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to the quarterback room. Will Shedeur Sanders be the de facto Week 1 starter? The hosts break down the "it factor" Sanders showed in key moments, his uncanny accuracy and the unknowns surrounding Deshaun Watson's return from injury. They also look at the offensive line's future, predict Andrew Berry's top free agency targets and close with a fascinating question: Will Kevin Stefanski's Falcons win a playoff game before the Browns do? Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Browns QB search: Is Malik Willis the perfect fit for Todd Monken?
On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock, and Dan Labbe dive into the biggest question facing the Browns this offseason: Who will be their quarterback? The conversation kicks off with a deep dive into the most intriguing external option, Malik Willis. The crew discusses if his dual-threat skill set is the perfect match for new head coach Todd Monken's system, but they also weigh the significant financial commitment and risk involved with his limited playing time. With other teams like the Miami Dolphins reportedly interested, will the Browns even have a shot? Then they pivot to the internal options, debating whether the team is better off exploring what they have in Shedeur Sanders or the recovering Deshaun Watson, who has recently started throwing again. Could a new offensive system finally unlock the elite player Watson once was? They also touch on veteran free agents like Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr and analyze the front office's philosophy of turning over every stone to find the right answer at the most important position in football. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
David Njoku out for the Browns: Reflecting on 9 years and a new TE1
It's the end of an era in Cleveland as David Njoku says farewell after nine seasons. Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe react to the news that the tight end will not be re-signing with the Browns, a move that wasn't a surprise but is still tough for many fans. The crew discusses how the emergence of Harold Fannin Jr. as the new TE1 and the team's youth movement signaled the writing was on the wall. They look back at Njoku's fascinating Browns career, from being drafted at just 20 years old and maturing on the job to his memorable on-field moments and his unique, fun-loving personality that made him a fan favorite. Was his full potential ever realized in Cleveland? The hosts debate his ups and downs, the impact of inconsistent QB play and what his departure means as the Browns officially close the book on this era and focus on building a new core through the draft. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Browns offseason begins: QB questions, Jim Schwartz fallout and lessons from the Super Bowl
On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe dive headfirst into the Browns' offseason now that the Super Bowl is in the rearview mirror. They kick things off by analyzing the lessons the Browns can learn from the Super Bowl champion Seattle Seahawks' defense-first strategy and what it means for finding the right quarterback. This sparks a deep dive into the Browns' most pressing questions, starting with the QB position. Should they swing for the fences and trade multiple first-round picks for a top draft prospect like Fernando Mendoza? Or is the answer already in the building? Mary Kay and Dan discuss the future of Deshaun Watson, the fan base's complicated relationship with him, and the organization's desire to salvage the trade. They also tackle the Shedeur Sanders situation and whether he is the definitive QB1. And, of course, there’s the fallout from Jim Schwartz's sudden resignation and the contract situation that follows. Finally, they gauge the fan base's confidence in new head coach Todd Monken and the immense pressure on him to fix the offense and choose the right quarterback to lead it. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Jim Schwartz resigns: What went wrong and what's next for the Browns?
Browns defensive coordinator resigned from his position, deciding not to remain on new head coach Todd Monken's staff after he was passed over for the job. It ends a tumultuous two weeks that capped the Browns' head coaching search. Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe react to the news on this edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast. They start by talking about if there was a scenario where things could have worked out for Schwartz with the Browns and why it went sideways. Then they look at some of the Browns options to replace Schwartz. Will they look internally or will they find someone on the outside to replace him? They also talk about Myles Garrett winning his second Defensive Player of the Year award and Carson Schwesinger winning Defensive Rookie of the Year. Then they share their thoughts on the Super Bowl. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Is Todd Monken the right coach for the Browns at the right time?
The Browns introduced Todd Monken as their new head coach on Tuesday, ushering in a new era as they continue to restock their roster with young talent this offseason. Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe talked about what Monken had to say on Tuesday on this edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast and what the Browns need to focus on to get the offense right for him this offseason. They start by talking about if Monken’s approach will be a welcome change for the franchise and the lessons he’ll still need to learn, even at 60 years old. Then they dig into the areas the Browns need to attack on the offensive side of the ball. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Todd Monken’s big questions: Jim Schwartz’s future and a murky Browns QB room
On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe break down the introductory press conference for new head coach Todd Monken and dive into the two biggest questions facing the Browns. First, they tackle the uncertain future of defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz. After being passed over for the head coaching job, will he return? They discuss the potential for an “explosive situation” if a partnership is forced and whether Monken is equipped to handle the dynamic. With Schwartz’s options limited to returning or retiring, the hosts debate if the Browns should let him go or hold him to his contract. Then, the conversation shifts to the offense and the murky quarterback room Monken inherits. The hosts explore the possibility of Monken fixing Deshaun Watson and salvaging the controversial trade, noting the coach’s intrigue with the talented QB. They also discuss the supreme confidence of Shedeur Sanders and how Monken’s tough, old-school coaching style will create a new dynamic and a potential two-man competition for the starting job this offseason. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Should the Browns do whatever it takes to keep Jim Schwartz? Hey, Mary Kay!
New Browns head coach Todd Monken is working on putting together his staff, but the biggest piece of the puzzle is still unknown. Defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz and the Browns are in a bit of a standoff and that’s where Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe start on a Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast. Should the Browns hold firm on not letting Schwartz leave and convince him to come back or would they be better off letting him go and moving on? They also discuss the quarterback situation and if Deshaun Watson really is a viable option for the Browns in 2026. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
What Todd Monken’s arrival means for Shedeur Sanders, Deshaun Watson and the Browns
On a weekend edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe start by discussing Twitter post that shook Berea -- new head coach Todd Monken's arrival and his enthusiastic greeting of quarterback Shedeur Sanders, reigniting the conversation about the team's future under center. The crew analyzes the potential quarterback competition between Sanders and a healthy Deshaun Watson, exploring how Monken, a renowned quarterback whisperer, might unlock the best in either player. Lance Reisland also joined the show. As a long-time admirer of Monken's work, Reisland provides analysis on his coaching philosophy, breaking down his flexible, player-focused schemes and why he's a great fit in Cleveland. They discuss which offensive players stand to benefit the most from the new system and what the Browns' biggest offseason needs are, from the offensive line to skill positions. Then Lance and Dan do a draft of snow day activities. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Is Todd Monken the right hire? Making sense of the Browns’ choice
On this Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe continue discussing the Browns' hiring of Todd Monken. They tackle the mixed reactions from the fan base, with Mary Kay making a strong case for the hire. She contrasts Monken’s extensive, proven track record of offensive success in Baltimore and Tampa Bay with the high-risk nature of hiring a younger, less experienced candidate. The conversation also explores the significant fallout from the coaching change, including the uncertain future of defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz and how star player Myles Garrett might react to his potential departure. They discuss how Monken must navigate these delicate situations to unite the team. Finally, as a Pro Football Hall of Fame voter, Mary Kay provides a rare inside look into the controversial voting process that led to Bill Belichick not being a first-ballot inductee. She explains the complexities of the system, her disappointment in the outcome, and why she believes changes are necessary for the future. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Why did the Browns choose Todd Monken?
The Browns hired Todd Monken as their 19th head coach, and Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe are here to break it all down on the latest Orange and Brown Talk podcast. They discuss their initial reactions to a hire that wasn't at the top of many lists but was a name Mary Kay insisted was in the running until the very end. They dive into Monken's impressive resume, his old-school, no-nonsense coaching style and why the Browns may have opted for his experience over younger, unproven candidates. They also get into the fallout from passing on defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz. Will Schwartz leave the team, and how would the locker room react? They debate whether Monken is the right man to handle that potential crisis and the larger task of rebuilding the offense around an uncertain quarterback situation. They also discuss the pressure on GM Andrew Berry to get this right and supply Monken with the talent he needs to succeed. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Where do things stand in the Browns coaching search after Nate Scheelhaase's interview?
On this edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe try to keep up with everything happening in the Browns' head coaching search. Jaguars offensive coordinator Grant Udinski pulled himself from consideration on the same day the Browns flew to Los Angeles to meet with Rams pass game coordinator Nate Scheelhaase. Then the Buffalo Bills requested an interview with Scheelhaase while his lengthy session with the Browns was ongoing. And, by the time you hear this, maybe everything has been resolved. Either way, on our Monday podcast, Mary Kay and Dan check in and try to make sense of things as the coaching search nears the finish line. Listen as they talk through the latest in the Browns’ quest to find a new top man for their organization. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
The Browns’ coaching search is narrowing and getting complicated
On this edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe navigate the increasingly chaotic Browns coaching search. With Jesse Minter out, they discuss the remaining candidates and the complex scenarios ahead. Could Jim Schwartz get the job by default, or will he issue an ultimatum to the front office? They explore the potential ripple effects of Schwartz's future, including the impact on star player Myles Garrett. They also analyze the standing of other candidates like Todd Monken, Grant Udinski and Nathan Scheelhaase. Listen as they talk through the latest in the Browns’ quest to find a new top man for their organization. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Browns coaching search reset: Young innovator or proven veteran?
On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe reset the Browns' ongoing head coaching search. With Mike McDaniel backing out to take the Chargers' OC job and Tommy Rees joining Kevin Stefanski in Atlanta, the interview schedule is shifting. They discuss the upcoming second interviews with candidates like Jesse Minter, Grant Udinski and Nate Scheelhaase. The central debate revolves around the pros and cons of hiring a young, offensive-minded innovator versus a more experienced veteran coach like Jim Schwartz or Todd Monken. They analyze the relatively thin resumes of the younger candidates and stress the importance of building a strong, veteran support staff around a first-time head coach. The conversation also explores Kevin Stefanski's new situation in Atlanta, as he gets the band back together with former Browns coaches. They highlight how his success, much like the future of the Browns' next coach, will ultimately depend on finding a solution at the all-important quarterback position. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
What Mike McDaniel’s exit means for the Browns + Baker Mayfield vs. Kevin Stefanski
On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe react to a chaotic night in the Browns' head coaching search. The big news is that Mike McDaniel has withdrawn his name from consideration, just a day before his scheduled in-person interview. The crew discusses the massive implications of this decision, including how it complicates the Browns' need to satisfy the Rooney Rule and what it says about the appeal of the Cleveland job, especially given the uncertainty at quarterback. They also touch on other candidates like Todd Monken, Jim Schwartz and the young offensive minds still in the running. Then, the podcast takes a detour to discuss some drama involving a former Browns quarterback and a former Browns coach. Baker Mayfield took to social media to call out Kevin Stefanski, who is now the head coach in Atlanta. The hosts revisit the fractured relationship between the two from the 2021 season, referencing Mary Kay's reporting from that time, and discuss the new rivalry brewing in the NFC South. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Browns coaching search update: Sean McDermott, second interviews and what’s next
On this Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe start with the surprising news of Sean McDermott’s firing from the Buffalo Bills and what it means for the Browns' head coaching search. As the Browns enter Week 3 of their search and begin second interviews, a proven winner is now on the market. Mary Kay explains why the Browns will likely at least kick the tires on McDermott. The conversation also highlights the biggest challenge facing the Browns: their murky quarterback situation. They discuss how the uncertainty surrounding Shedeur Sanders and Deshaun Watson could make top candidates hesitant. They also talk about how the now-vacant Bills job, with a superstar quarterback in Josh Allen, instantly becomes one of the most attractive openings. Even without a stable quarterback situation, is the Browns’ talented defense enough of a selling point to overcome the questions on offense. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Is Jim Schwartz the clear frontrunner in the Browns’ coaching search?
On a Friday episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe talk Browns defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz getting the first second interview in the team’s coaching search. They discuss why he's a popular choice with players and fans, representing the path of least resistance by keeping the team's dominant defense intact. They explore what his promotion would mean for the team's identity and the necessary overhaul on the offensive side of the ball. They also cover the other dominoes, including Todd Monken getting a second interview and the uncertain future of offensive coordinator Tommy Rees. Will the Browns look to build on their defensive strength and find a quarterback they can win with, or will another candidate emerge from their ongoing interviews? Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Browns coaching search reset: Life after John Harbaugh and the candidates who make sense
On Thursday's Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe react to John Harbaugh taking the head coaching job with the Giants. They discuss why the Giants were a more attractive destination and why the Browns never really got a chance to make their pitch. Then, they reset the Browns' coaching search and take a deep dive into some of the top candidates. They discuss the pros and cons of hiring a defensive-minded coach like Rams DC Chris Shula and how his 3-4 scheme would fit with the Browns' current personnel. They also look at the young, up-and-coming offensive candidates, including Jaguars OC Grant Udinski and Bengals offensive coordinator Dan Pitcher, and wonder if the Browns' uncertain quarterback situation will be a deterrent. Finally, they discuss internal candidates like Tommy Rees and what the future might hold for the staff as the search continues. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
What the Browns’ QB strategy looks like after Dante Moore’s decision
On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe dive into the news of quarterback Dante Moore returning to Oregon and its impact on the Browns. They discuss how a thinning quarterback draft class complicates the Browns' plans at the No. 6 pick and potentially increases the likelihood of Shedeur Sanders competing for the starting job in 2026. They talk about the ripple effects across the draft, exploring potential strategies for Andrew Berry, from trading back to targeting a sleeper prospect like Garrett Nussmeier. They also debate the necessity for the Browns to continue taking swings at the quarterback position, whether through the draft or by acquiring another veteran to compete with Sanders, Dillon Gabriel and Deshaun Watson. Later, the podcast shifts to the latest updates on the Browns' coaching search. Mary Kay provides insights into the team's interview schedule, including candidates like Jesse Minter and the plan to request an interview with Chris Shula. They break down how the broader coaching carousel, featuring names like John Harbaugh and Mike McDaniel, could create a domino effect and influence the Browns' final decision. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
A changing AFC North and a critical moment for the Browns
A seismic shift has rocked the AFC North. With Mike Tomlin stepping down as the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers after 19 years, the division's landscape is changing dramatically. Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe kick off the Orange and Brown Talk podcast by breaking down the monumental news and what it means for the Browns. They discuss the changing of the guard with both Tomlin and John Harbaugh gone from their long-tenured posts, creating a massive opportunity for the Browns to seize the moment and return to respectability in a now wide-open division. Then, Lance Reisland joins the show for a deep dive into the Browns' coaching search. Lance provides detailed scouting reports on some of the top candidates, both well-known and under-the-radar. He talks with Dan about the potential fits of Cincinnati's Dan Pitcher, Jacksonville's young offensive coordinator Grant Udinski, the Rams' Nathan Scheelhaase and Miami's Mike McDaniel. They weigh the risks and rewards of hiring a young, brilliant mind versus a more established coach and discuss what it takes to succeed as a head coach in the NFL. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Inside the Browns’ crowded coaching search: McDaniel, Schwartz and the dominoes ahead
On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe get into the latest on the Browns’ head coaching search. The big news is Mike McDaniel's interview, and they break down the Browns' long-standing admiration for his "offensive wizardry" and brilliant football mind. They explore the crowded and eclectic field of candidates, from rising offensive stars like the Rams' Nathan Nathan Scheelhaase and the very young Jaguars' OC, Grant Udinski, to established defensive coordinators like their own Jim Schwartz. They get into the future of Schwartz -- Will he stay as DC if he doesn't get the top job, and how would his departure impact Myles Garrett? Answering questions from Football Insider subscribers, they tackle the challenges young coaches face when leaping to the head coach role, the viability of a defensive-minded leader in today's NFL and where former coach Kevin Stefanski might land. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
How recent firings changed the Browns’ coaching search
On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe catch up on the Browns' head coaching search, which has been shaken up by recent firings. First, they discuss the newly available Mike McDaniel. They analyze his reputation as a brilliant and creative offensive mind, his success elevating the Dolphins' offense and his previous history with the Browns. The conversation then shifts to another top-tier candidate, John Harbaugh. Is the Browns' head coaching job far more attractive than national narratives suggest? They highlight the elite defense, an analytics-friendly front office and an owner willing to spend. They also discuss Harbaugh's deep ties to the Cleveland area, his Super Bowl-winning pedigree, and his adaptability, making a compelling case for why he would be a great fit. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
What the Browns see in Tommy Rees + Jim Schwartz interviews for the head coaching job
The Browns' head coaching search is in full swing, and on this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe dive into the early candidates. They start by discussing the two in-house coordinators set to interview: Jim Schwartz and Tommy Rees. Could the 33-year-old Rees be the next Sean McVay, or is the risk too high? Would hiring Schwartz be a popular move that keeps the successful defense intact? The crew also looks at Bengals QB coach Dan Pitcher and his history with Andrew Berry. Then, Lance Reisland joins the show to break down the film from the season finale against the Bengals, focusing on Shedeur Sanders' performance. Lance also weighs in on the coaching search, offering his high praise for Ravens OC Todd Monken and sharing his thoughts on the Browns possibly hiring Schwartz or Rees. To wrap up, Dan and Lance draft their biggest storylines from the 2025 NFL season, discussing everything from the rise of defenses and the analytics vs. feel debate to the importance of figuring it out at quarterback and the league's persistent injury problem. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Should the Browns offer John Harbaugh anything he wants? Hey, Mary Kay!
On this episode of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe dive into the biggest news of the day: the Baltimore Ravens have fired John Harbaugh. What would it take for the Browns to land the Super Bowl-winning coach? Mary Kay and Dan Labbe discuss Harbaugh's Cleveland roots, the potential bidding war with teams like the Giants and whether the Browns should give him anything he wants, including personnel control. Then, they turn to the "Hey, Mary Kay!" segment to answer questions from Football Insider subscribers. They discuss the future of former coach Kevin Stefanski, whether he'll find success elsewhere and how he'll handle the New York media if he lands with the Giants. The conversation also pivots to the all-important quarterback position. What is the future for Deshaun Watson on this roster, and what did Shedeur Sanders really show in his seven starts? They break down the QB situation and look at other early coaching candidates as the Browns' pivotal search gets underway. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Why the Browns moved on from Kevin Stefanski + and why Andrew Berry stayed
The Browns fired head coach Kevin Stefanski, and the Orange and Brown Talk crew is here to break down all the fallout. Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe react to the news from Berea, analyzing the decision to part ways with Stefanski while retaining GM Andrew Berry. They dive into the press conferences by owner Jimmy Haslam and Berry, reading between the lines to understand the real reasons behind the move. Was it simply about the eight wins over two years, or did the front office lose faith in Stefanski's offensive vision? They discuss how Berry's successful 2025 draft and recent trades likely saved his job, but now the pressure is on him more than ever. Looking ahead, the search for a new head coach is on. Will the Browns target an offensive-minded coach to pair with a new quarterback, or promote from within with someone like Jim Schwartz? Plus, what does this mean for the future of Shedeur Sanders? They debates whether Stefanski was dealt a fair hand and what needs to happen next for the Browns to finally turn the corner. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Orange and Brown Talk short: Myles Garrett sets the sack record and the Kevin Stefanski waiting game begins
bonusThe Browns beat the Bengals, 20-18, at Paycor Stadium, finishing the season at 5-12 and plunging into another offseason full of question marks. Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe start their game recap video by talking about the big news from Sunday, Myles Garrett setting a new single-season sack record. He finished with 23 sacks. They also talked about Shedeur Sanders’ performance and how it went for the rookie quarterback who struggled mightily but also led a game-winning field goal drive. They wrap up by talking about the uncertainty surrounding Kevin Stefanski, who will likely find out Monday if he’ll return to coach the Browns for a seventh season. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Orange and Brown Talk short: Interpreting Myles Garrett's comments on Browns future
bonusBrowns pass rusher Myles Garrett had his opportunity to weight in on the team’s future on Friday during his weekly media availability. Garrett declined to throw his backing behind head coach Kevin Stefanski with his future up in the air. Garrett did, however, endorse playing for defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz. Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe discussed what Garrett had to say on Friday and what it means about the decision the Browns face in the coming days. They also talked about whether Schwartz could be a legitimate candidate for the job and why it might make sense if the Browns decide to move on from Stefanski. Then they discussed the possibility of if Garrett might ask out again if it doesn’t look like the Browns will get to winning as early as next season. * This podcast is an audio version of our daily video report. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Will Kevin Stefanski return in 2026? Browns vs. Bengals Week 18 preview
For the final time this season, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe get you ready for a Browns game as they preview the Week 18 matchup against the Cincinnati Bengals on the Orange and Brown Talk podcast. The game itself takes a backseat to the much bigger question looming over the franchise: Will Kevin Stefanski return as head coach next season? They try to read the tea leaves and discuss the vibe in Berea that suggests a change could be coming. They explore the different scenarios, including the possibility of promoting defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz to head coach to maintain continuity on the team's best unit and keep rising offensive coordinator Tommy Rees. Is the grass actually greener, or should the Browns stick with what they have despite two losing seasons? Plus, they talk about the one thing that matters on the field: Myles Garrett's chase for the sack record against a familiar foe in Joe Burrow. Lance Reisland joined the show for his final scouting report of the season, breaking down the Bengals' offense and defense and how the Browns can attack them. Lance also makes his pick. To wrap it up, Mary Kay, Ashley and Dan make their final game picks of the season. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Kevin Stefanski’s future, Mike McDaniel rumors and a look at the 2026 QB class
On this edition of the Orange and Brown Talk Podcast, Mary Kay Cabot Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe delve into the rumors surrounding Browns head coach Kevin Stefanski's job security and explore the potential of the Browns pursuing Mike McDaniel as a coaching candidate. Additionally, they discuss the implications of Wyatt Teller landing on injured reserve just ahead of free agency, raising questions about his future with the team. In a special segment, Mary Kay is joined by The Athletic's draft expert, Dane Brugler, to analyze the upcoming quarterback class. They highlight top prospects such as Fernando Mendoza and Dante Moore, discussing their potential impact on the Browns' draft strategy. The conversation also touches on which players might declare for the draft and evaluates Shedeur Sanders' performance, considering how it could influence the Browns' decisions moving forward. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Jim Schwartz wants another shot at being a head coach; Should the Browns give it to him?
On this edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe talk the future of the Browns' coaching staff. Defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz has expressed interest in being a head coach again. What are the pros and cons of promoting Schwartz, considering his experience and the success of the defense, versus the league trend of hiring younger, offensive-minded coaches? Could promoting Schwartz or offensive coordinator Tommy Rees provide stability, or do the Browns owe it to themselves to conduct a full, comprehensive coaching search if they move on from Kevin Stefanski? They also explore the argument for keeping Stefanski as a CEO coach to maintain the continuity of his successful coordinators. Then, Lance Reisland joins Dan to break down the film from the win over the Steelers. - How the Steelers game-planned to stop Myles Garrett and whether it was more than usual. - The decision-making of Aaron Rodgers and the plays he left on the field. - The continued development and areas for improvement for QB Shedeur Sanders. - Standout performances from defensive players like Carson Schwesinger, who played through injury, and the impressive physicality of Tyson Campbell. Finally, we wrap up with a fun draft of overrated holiday traditions, debating everything from the New Year's Eve ball drop to Black Friday shopping. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Have the Browns seen enough from Shedeur Sanders? Hey, Mary Kay!
On this Hey, Mary Kay! edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot and Dan Labbe start by digging into the Browns’ the critical quarterback decision. Have they seen enough from Shedeur Sanders to anoint him the starter for 2026? Mary Kay and Dan debate the pros and cons of committing to Sanders' development versus using their two first-round draft picks to trade up for a top rookie prospect like Dante Moore. They analyze the risks involved, the team's draft position, and whether the front office can afford to be wrong. The conversation extends to the coaching staff, exploring the uncertainty around Kevin Stefanski's future. They also discuss if veteran defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz deserves another head coaching opportunity elsewhere and consider the intriguing possibility of the Browns promoting young offensive mind Tommy Rees if a change is made. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Should the Browns care about draft position + Shedeur Sanders continuing case: Postgame podcast
The Browns secured a 13-6 victory over the rival Steelers on Sunday, but did the win come at a cost? Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock, Lance Reisland and Dan Labbe break down the immediate aftermath. The win dropped the Browns' draft position from a potential top-three pick to sixth overall, sparking a conversation about the team's future at quarterback. They debate whether fans should be upset about the draft implications or celebrate a culture-building win against a division foe. This naturally leads to an in-depth evaluation of rookie quarterback Shedeur Sanders. Has he shown enough progress to be considered the long-term answer? They explore various paths forward. They also discuss the ineffectiveness of tanking in the NFL and why players and coaches are always focused on winning the game in front of them. On the defensive side of the ball, they focus on Myles Garrett's pursuit of the sack record. While Garrett didn't get a sack, they get into how Pittsburgh's entire game plan was dedicated to stopping him and how his mere presence was a game-wrecking force that ultimately contributed to the Browns' victory. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Will Myles Garrett finally get the sack record? Will Shedeur Sanders make his case for the starting job? Browns vs. Steelers preview
On this preview edition of the Orange and Brown Talk podcast, Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe get you ready for the Browns’ home finale against the Steelers. They start with the future of the quarterback position. With just two games left, can Shedeur Sanders prove he's the guy for 2026 and convince the Browns not to use a top draft pick on a QB? They also debate if these final games, particularly a win against a rival, could be enough to save Kevin Stefanski's job. They talk Myles Garrett's pursuit of the single-season sack record. In a twist of fate, he could potentially break the record against Mason Rudolph, reigniting the drama from their infamous helmet-hitting incident in 2019, if the Steelers decide rest their starters. They would clinch the AFC North if the Ravens lose on Saturday night. Lance Reisland joins the show for his scouting report, breaking down the Steelers' offense under Aaron Rodgers, the impact of DK Metcalf's suspension and the challenges posed by Pittsburgh's formidable defensive front. Lastly, all four make their picks for Sunday’s matchup in Cleveland. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Orange and Brown Talk short: Shedeur Sanders' progress, Joel Bitonio's vote of confidence and injury updates
bonusWe'll be back with a full Orange and Brown Talk preview podcast this weekend. Until then, here's a quick update from Berea from our daily video. The Browns continued their preparations for the Steelers on Wednesday, but first it was a look back at Shedeur Sanders’ performance against the Bills on Sunday. Mary Kay Cabot, Ashley Bastock and Dan Labbe start their daily recap video by discussing what offensive coordinator Tommy Rees had to say about the progress Sanders made on Sunday and if there’s something to build on from that performance. Then they turn their attention to left guard Joel Bitonio’s vote of confidence for head coach Kevin Stefanski and what he had to say about the Browns retaining Stefanski for a seventh year. They wrap up the video by updating some injuries, starting with the Browns and the return to practice for Denzel Ward and Dylan Sampson and T.J. Watt returning to Steelers practice. Follow us: On X: https://x.com/orangebrowntalk YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ClevelandBrownsonclevelandcom Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/orangeandbrowntalk/ Music credits: Ice Flow by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/3898-ice-flow License: https://filmmusic.io/standard-license Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices