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Nothing Says “War” Like “Forever”

Nothing Says “War” Like “Forever”

Chris Dalby and Clionadh Raleigh discuss the U.S. shift from a War on Drugs to a War on Terror and the risks of a new forever war.

New Thinking for a New World - a Tallberg Foundation Podcast

October 9, 20251h 3m

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Show Notes

Chris Dalby and Clionadh Raleigh discuss the U.S. shift from a War on Drugs to a War on Terror and the risks of a new forever war.

What do you get when you merge a failed War on Drugs with an archaic War on Terror? We may be about to find out as President Donald Trump unleashes a legal, political, and military campaign against drug cartels, whom he has re-labelled as terrorist organizations. The tactics include blowing up small "go-fast" boats in the Caribbean, labeling Venezuelan President Maduro a cartel leader and then placing a $50 million bounty on him, and pushing a massive air, naval, and land military force into the Caribbean.

Is U.S. national security really threatened by the Mexican and Venezuelan cartels, including the bête noire of the moment, Tren de Aragua? If this is a "war" can it be won---and, if so, how would we know (one of the many problems with both the War on Drugs and the War on Terror framing)? Is the man who campaigned against forever wars starting a new forever war?

In this episode, host Alan Stoga explores these and other questions with Chris Dalby, Director and Founder of World of Crime and author of Tren de Aragua: The Guide to America's Growing Criminal Threat, and Professor Clionadh RaleighPresident and CEO of ACLED and an expert on political violence and conflict data.

What do you think?  Is it war or performance art?```

Topics

Tren de AraguaWar on DrugsWar on TerrorForever WarOrganized crimeVenezuelaDrug cartelsUS foreign policyLatin AmericaGlobal security