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In episode 656 of the New Media Show, Podcast Hall of Famer Rob Greenlee is joined by Jay Nachlis, Media Research VP at Coleman Insights. “It’s a timely and deeper conversation about Apple Podcasts moving more aggressively into HLS video streaming and what that really means for the future of podcasting, audience behavior, platform competition, and creator strategy in 2026.” This episode goes far beyond the Apple announcement itself. Jay brings a strong audience research and brand strategy perspective to the conversation, and together we dig into the real question behind all of this: will Apple’s push into video actually change listener and viewer behavior, or is this simply Apple trying to catch up to audience habits that are already being shaped by YouTube and Spotify? “Apple Podcasts still has major brand recognition in podcasting, but may face an uphill battle in the current environment where YouTube has become the default platform for video-based podcast discovery, and Spotify continues to build a more native monetization and creator ecosystem.” We talk about how audience habits often outweigh platform features, why consumer perception matters as much as technical innovation, and whether Apple can reclaim any meaningful momentum in a category it helped establish years ago. We also discuss how this shift is creating a more fragmented publishing environment for creators. Audio and video are no longer just different formats. They increasingly represent different user expectations, different discovery paths, and different monetization opportunities. “We discuss the growing need for creators to think strategically about separate audio and video feeds, platform-native publishing, HLS streaming delivery, audience experience, and the long-term risks of overreliance on closed ecosystems.” Jay and I also explore the broader competitive chessboard. That includes YouTube’s dominance in video & video podcast consumption, Spotify’s continued attempts to define its role in both audio and video, and even whether players like Netflix could successfully move into podcast-adjacent content formats. This episode is really about where podcasting is headed as a medium, not just one Apple feature update. If you are a podcaster, creator, media strategist, advertiser, or platform watcher trying to understand where podcasting, video, discovery, and monetization are all heading next, this is an episode you should not miss. Chapters: 00:00 Apple Video Podcast Push 00:47 Meet the Hosts 01:56 Apple Streaming Update 03:14 Early Podcasting Era 05:19 YouTube Spotify Takeover 07:05 Can Apple Compete 08:25 Research YouTube Wins UX 10:30 Awareness Drives Usage 12:07 Netflix Podcasting Fit 15:58 Discovery Algorithms Habits 18:10 Apple Video Hidden Toggle 19:26 Audio Quality vs Video 22:22 Brand Content Trust Matrix 24:05 Apple Podcasts Brand Gap 24:51 Differentiation Over Video 25:41 RSS and HLS Debate 27:09 Why Listeners Choose Apple 28:03 Zune Era Video Podcasts 30:07 YouTube Parallel History 30:59 Winning Tech Standards 33:16 Reaching Younger Audiences 36:48 Hosting Costs and HLS 39:05 Creator Burden of Video 41:20 Future Screens in Cars 43:23 Marketing and Discovery Fixes 45:35 Alternative Enclosures Path 46:49 Wrap Up and Where to Follow Guest Jay Nachlis LinksJay Nachlis LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaynachlis/Coleman Insights: https://colemaninsights.com/Tuesdays with Coleman: https://colemaninsights.com/blog/ Host Rob Greenlee and Show LinksNew Media Show: https://newmediashow.com/Rob Greenlee: https://robgreenlee.com/Trust Factor Lab: https://trustfactorlab.com/Adore Creator Network: https://adorenetwork.com/Podcast Hall of Fame: https://podcasthall.com/Rob Greenlee YouTube: https://youtube.com/@robgreenleeRob Greenlee LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/in/robgreenleeRob Greenlee Instagram: https://instagram.com/robwgreenlee The post Can Apple Make Video Podcasts Matter? | Jay Nachlis #656 first appeared on New Media Show.

Podcast discovery feels harder in 2026, not because creators stopped trying, but because attention is now split across podcast apps, YouTube, short-form video feeds, newsletters, and search-driven recommendations. On this recorded episode of the New Media Show, host Rob Greenlee shares the screen and a microphone with Arielle Nissenblatt, 2026 Podcast Hall of Famer and Founder of EarBuds Podcast Collective and Head of Community and Content at Pinwheel by Audily, to break down what is actually changing right now and what creators can still do that consistently grows audience and trust. “Arielle brings a listener-first, creator-first perspective that cuts through the noise. Platforms matter, but they are not the whole story. If a show is not clearly positioned, consistently delivered, and genuinely recommendable, the best metadata in the world will not create retention.” This episode focuses on the practical middle ground: respect the power of platforms, but build your growth strategy around behaviors you can control. “A big part of that conversation is Apple’s renewed push into video podcasts and what an HLS-based video experience signals for the direction of distribution.” Rob frames it as part of a broader convergence toward a unified listen-and-watch experience, where measurement and monetization are easier for platforms when content is native. “Arielle agrees that video is becoming an important top-of-funnel entry point, not because every show should be video-first, but because platforms can more easily optimize what they can see, track, and sell.” We also talk through Spotify’s monetization strategy and what it means when major platforms keep building native paths to get paid. The underlying point is that creators need to understand the economics behind product decisions. “The more platforms own the experience, the more they can shape the rules of distribution, monetization, and visibility.” Then we get into the part that matters most for working creators: what still works. “Arielle argues that recommendation culture remains one of the most underused growth engines in podcasting. Word of mouth, curated lists, and community flywheels can outperform algorithm chasing, especially for shows that serve a clear audience with a clear promise.” That is exactly why EarBuds has remained durable for years in a market that constantly reinvents itself. “Human curation is still a superpower because it creates trusted signals that travel even when platforms turn the knobs.” Community comes up too, with a reality check. Not every show needs a community, and not every audience wants one. “The test is whether people are already reaching for a deeper connection and shared identity around your content. When that demand exists, the community can compound trust and retention. When it does not, forcing it can drain your energy and distract you from the actual product, the show.” If you are building in 2026, the creators who win are not the ones who panic-switch formats every quarter. They are the ones who lock in a format strategy, build audience ownership where possible, and package their content for multiple environments without losing the core promise that makes listeners return. Quick answers people are searching for: Is podcast discovery broken in 2026? It is fragmented. People discover shows across apps, video platforms, newsletters, and search experiences, so creators need packaging that works across multiple paths. Do I need a video to grow a podcast? Not always. Video is becoming a common entry point, but growth still comes from clarity, consistency, and ease of recommendation. What is the fastest reliable growth lever right now? Recommendation loops: collaborations, curated lists, newsletters, and audience sharing that create real trust signals. What should creators prioritize this year? Format strategy, audience ownership, cross-platform packaging, and a repeatable workflow you can sustain. Show and Guest Links: Host Rob Greenlee https://robgreenlee.com/ (Rob Greenlee) New Media Show https://newmediashow.com/ (New Media Show) Rob Greenlee Live Podcasts https://robgreenlee.com/live-podcasts/ (Rob Greenlee) Rob Greenlee & New Media Show YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@RobGreenlee (Rob Greenlee) Spoken Human Show – YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@spokenhuman (Rob Greenlee) LinkedIn – Rob Greenlee https://www.linkedin.com/in/robgreenlee (Rob Greenlee) Instagram – Rob Greenlee https://www.instagram.com/robwgreenlee (Rob Greenlee) X.com – Rob Greenlee https://x.com/robgreenlee (Rob Greenlee) Adore Podcast Network https://AdoreNetwork.com (Rob Greenlee) Podcast Hall of Fame https://PodcastHall.com (Rob Greenlee) Guest Arielle Nissenblatt LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/arielle-nissenblatt EarBuds Podcast Collective: https://earbuds.audio/ Pinwheel by Audily: https://pinwheelshows.com/The post Podcast Gro

As AI becomes more embedded into content creation, discovery, and distribution, one truth is becoming clearer: the long-term winners in media may not be the fastest or the most automated. They may be the most human. That was the core idea behind this conversation with Erin Diehl of Improve It! and the host of the Workday Playdate Podcast, and New Media Show host and Podcast Hall of Fame Inductee Rob Greenlee on New Media Show Episode 654, where we explored what it really means to build a media business rooted in trust, emotional connection, authenticity, and memorable audience experiences. Erin Diehl, founder of improve it! and host of the Workday Playdate podcast, brings a distinctive perspective to this discussion. Her work sits at the intersection of improv, leadership, communication, and community-building. On her podcast and in her live workshops, she focuses on helping people reconnect with empathy, listening, adaptability, humor, and playfulness as practical tools for stronger communication and leadership. Erin describes those same qualities as the traits of both a great improviser and a great human, and that framing shaped this entire conversation. (itserindiehl.com) What made this episode especially timely is that it did not treat AI as the enemy. Instead, it argued that AI is becoming part of the infrastructure of modern media, especially in discovery, distribution, workflow, and scale, while human presence remains the true differentiator. I said during the episode that creators are still in the human media business, and Erin agreed that what continues to work is the authenticity of human experience. That idea matters because audiences are increasingly surrounded by an abundance of content. When everything becomes easier to generate, the value of presence, perspective, vulnerability, and emotional resonance goes up. Erin argued that humanity is not becoming less important in the AI era. It is becoming more important. She pointed to empathy, trust, culture, and connection as qualities that are not going away, even as new technologies reshape jobs, workflows, and media formats. A major theme in this conversation was the role of play in serious work. Erin’s approach is not about being frivolous. It is about using play, improv, and emotional openness to create real breakthroughs in communication. In her workshops, she guides people step by step out of their comfort zones, not to embarrass them but to help them reconnect with spontaneity, attentiveness, and confidence. She explained that many adults lose that natural instinct for play as they grow older, replacing it with judgment, self-doubt, and emotional caution. Her work is designed to reverse some of that pattern and reawaken more authentic human interaction. We also talked about how this translates directly into content creation. Erin shared that her podcast has become more than just a show. It is part of a broader ecosystem that supports her workshops, speaking, community, and business growth. She uses monthly themes to shape her episodes, guest selection, social content, and offers. That strategy helps create consistency, clarity, and a stronger trust pathway between audience attention and business outcomes. It is a smart reminder that a podcast today often works best when it is part of a larger media and relationship-building system. Another valuable part of this episode was Erin’s openness about team building. She made it clear that creating across podcasting, social media, video, live events, and community is difficult to sustain on one’s own. She credited her team with helping manage production, guest coordination, marketing, logistics, sales, and creative execution. That is an important lesson for professional creators and media entrepreneurs. Building a durable media business often means building systems and support around your voice, not trying to do every part of the machine alone. We also dug into mindset, self-expression, and the emotional reality of being a creator today. Erin spoke candidly about doubt, comparison, and the danger of code-switching or muting your true personality to fit an environment. Her advice was direct: find the people, audiences, and teams that allow you to be more fully yourself. In a media environment increasingly shaped by algorithmic incentives and imitation, that may be one of the most important strategic advantages a creator can have. This episode is really about a bigger question facing everyone in podcasting, video, and digital media right now: if AI can help produce and distribute content at scale, what still makes a creator matter? The answer from this conversation is not just better tools or smarter systems. It is humanity. It is the ability to make people feel seen, understood, energized, and connected. That is what creates trust. That is what builds community. And that is what makes a media business more durable over time. Brief Episode Description In New Media Show Episode 654, Rob Greenlee

Todd Cochrane Founder of Blubrry Podcasting and Rob Greenlee of Libsyn discuss ad loads and the now verifiable proof that ads loads in some shows are starting to piss listeners off. Is it the greed of networks, podcasters or is it the start of disdain for listeners while some have increased privacy tracking to target listeners in ways they cannot opt-out of. Also, what does the shuttering of Chartable mean for many podcasters left hanging. Donate to the show and Support this podcast. Send a Sticker Get a Sticker: Send us your show sticker and we will send you a New Media Show Sticker. Get on our sticker board for the show. New Media Productions 365 N Willowbrook Rd Suite: C Coldwater, Mi, 49036The post More Podcast Ads Please! Load em up! #489 first appeared on New Media Show.

New Media Show #652 with Rob Greenlee and Lauren Shippen On Episode 652 of the New Media Show, host Rob Greenlee shares a screen with Lauren Shippen, Creative Director at Atypical Artists, to tackle a growing tension in creator media around audio fiction, which is thriving as a storytelling format but is being pressure-tested by the industry’s video-first discovery push. Fiction podcasts did not stop working. What changed is how platforms signal value, how audiences discover new shows, and how creators feel forced to look video-ready to compete. The real question for fiction creators in 2026 is not “How do I force my story into video?” It is “How do I protect the magic of audio storytelling while adding the right discovery layers for today’s platforms?” Lauren shares what fiction creators often misunderstand about sustainability, what typically breaks first when the story stalls, and where video helps, hurts, or becomes unrealistic. Rob lays out a practical framework for separating audio as the product from video as the discovery layer, plus realistic tiers of visual strategy that will not turn your show into a second production company. Quick answers for creators What is the episode about A practical conversation about protecting audio fiction storytelling while adapting to video-driven discovery across platforms in 2026. Should fiction podcasts become video podcasts to grow Not automatically. The strategy is to keep audio as the core product and use video selectively as a discovery layer when it improves reach without breaking the production model. What is the biggest mistake fiction creators make Trying to solve growth with promotion before fixing story retention fundamentals like onboarding, pacing, cadence, and season design. How should fiction shows think about video? As budget tiers. Start with lightweight discovery assets and only move toward full narrative adaptation if the economics and workflow support it. Topics we cover – Why fiction creators feel pulled between story-first goals and video-first platform expectations – The top growth inputs fiction creators still control, even when platforms shift – Story architecture that drives retention before promotion pacing, onboarding, cadence, and season design – Video pressure: what is real, what is hype, and what creators should ignore – Audio only vs video for fiction when format helps and when it hurts – Budget tiers for video lightweight discovery assets vs full narrative adaptation – Trailers as conversion assets and how to build a simple start here listener path – Why human recommendations still beat algorithm chasing for story shows Community reality checks what to prove before building Discord or fan spaces – Where AI helps scripted storytelling workflows, and where it can damage authorship and trust – A practical 30-day growth plan for fiction podcasters Chapters: 00:00 Story Versus Screen 01:41 Meet Lauren Shippen 03:22 What Counts As Podcast 06:00 Video As Discovery 08:18 Netflix Podcast Strategy 15:30 Monetization And Paywalls 19:48 Apple Video Feed Tension 22:36 Always On Audio Fiction 27:47 Audience Growth Beyond Podcasts 32:50 AI Slop Versus Art 40:21 Sports Analogy For AI 42:38 Why AI Lacks Heart 43:31 Gaming and Interactive Futures 45:03 If Everyone Can Generate It 47:10 The Internet Shapes AI Adoption 48:45 Podcasting as Human Story 51:14 Blurring Fiction and Truth 54:01 Atypical Artist Slate Tour 57:17 Making Shows Work Economically 01:03:54 Producing and Adapting Workflow 01:06:04 Origin Story Bright Sessions 01:10:21 New Projects and Immersive Marketing 01:14:14 Serial Model and Journalism Worries 01:15:38 Fiction Podcast Evolution 01:17:22 Wrap Up and Next Episode Tease Featured projects mentioned The Bright Sessions Rebel Robin 2000 and Late Breaker Whiskey Resource Links: Host: Rob Greenlee [https://robgreenlee.com] The New Media Show [https://newmediashow.com/] Adore Network [https://AdoreNetwork.com] Podcast Hall of Fame [https://PodcastHall.com] Rob on YouTube [https://YouTube.com/@RobGreenlee] Rob on LinkedIn [https://LinkedIn.com/in/robgreenlee] Guest: Lauren Shippen [https://www.laurenshippen.com/] Atypical Artists [https://www.atypicalartists.co/] Book Rob Calendly [https://calendly.com/robgreenlee]The post Can Fiction Story Podcasts Survive Video Push | Lauren Shippen #652 first appeared on New Media Show.

On Weds, February 18th Live Episode #651 of the New Media Show, Rob Greenlee, Host, 2017 Podcast Hall of Famer and CEO of Trust Factor Lab at https://RobGreenlee.com, and James Cridland, Editor, https://Podnews.net and 2026 Podcast Hall of Famer discuss Apple’s announcement of a new and improved video podcast experience in the Apple Podcasts app and what it changes technically and strategically heading into 2026. They explain how video was previously active in Apple Podcasts but was hidden and poorly presented in the iOS apps, and how this new updated experience makes video playback front and center, with a “turn video off” option that keeps the audio track playing. The episode breaks down Apple’s preferred move to HLS-based on-demand video delivery (via a separate, proprietary API HLS video streaming pass-through submission from approved hosting partners) while still supporting legacy MP4 video via RSS. They cover HLS basics (chunked delivery, adaptive quality, reduced bandwidth, and hosting costs), improved seeking/scrubbing versus progressive MP4 playback, and new measurement implications (better insight into drop-off and ad viewing). A major focus is monetization: Apple plans to enable dynamic ad insertion for HLS video and charge a per-impression fee, positioning Apple to take revenue without operating an ad business. The conversation notes early launch partners (Acast, Art19, Omny Studio, Simplecast), questions about specs and rollout timing (an app update is likely by the end of March; dynamic ad features later in the year), and the risk of platform fragmentation as distribution shifts from open RSS to proprietary APIs. James and Rob discuss alternate enclosures (Podcasting 2.0) as an open path to wider app support, reference iHeart’s stated support for video via RSS alternate enclosures, and highlight creator concerns about losing separate audio edits when video replaces the audio feed during playback. They also touch on device support (not initially on Apple TV; CarPlay doesn’t show video; Vision Pro support) and briefly discuss future RSS innovation ideas like comments, payments, transcripts, and location tags, plus a short note on upcoming podcast events (Podcast Show London, Podcast Movement New York, Podcast Movement at SXSW). Chapter Topics: 00:00 Welcome + Why Apple’s Video Podcast Update Matters 01:31 Apple Brings Video Front-and-Center (and Why Now) 06:00 The New Playback Experience: Full-Screen Video & One Feed 10:49 How Apple’s HLS Video Works (and Why It’s Better) 11:36 The Money Shift: Dynamic Video Ads & Apple’s Per-Impression Fee 17:59 Rollout Timeline, Unknown Specs, and Early Partner Shows 23:54 Partners, Two Ingestion Paths, and the RSS vs HLS Debate 34:47 Hands-On Demo: Video Icons, Turn Video Off, and MP4 vs HLS 39:47 Bandwidth, Scrubbing, and What HLS Enables for Measurement 44:16 Quality/Resolution Questions + Missing Apple TV (for Now) 46:26 CarPlay & Vision Pro: Where Apple Podcasts Video Actually Plays 47:09 Will HLS Replace MP3 for Audio? Monetization, Costs, and Reality Check 49:51 Apple vs Spotify: Open Hosting, Dynamic Ads, and Why This Helps Creators 52:30 Audio Isn’t ‘Video Without Pictures’: Why Separate Edits Matter 55:21 Will It Work With Spotify for Creators? Partners, Megaphone, and Pressure 01:00:02 How HLS Interstitials Work: Client-Side Ad Breaks and Spec Unknowns 01:07:48 Keeping RSS Relevant: Alternate Enclosures, Comments, Payments, and New Tags 01:13:48 Local Podcasting & Specialized Apps: Location Tag, TuneIn, and the Future 01:20:20 Wrap-Up: Conferences, Cold Weather, and Final Goodbyes What you will learn in this episode – How Apple’s HLS video differs from RSS MP4 enclosures in real-world creator workflows – Why HLS segment-based delivery enables adaptive streaming and modern video ad insertion – What Apple’s limited launch partner list means for hosting competition and creator choice (Podnews) – https://podnews.net/article/video-apple-podcasts-details – How Apple Podcasts Connect API keys work, and what they do and do not grant to hosting providers – https://podcasters.apple.com/support/5593-how-to-publish-video – How creators should decide between RSS video, Apple HLS video, and other platform video strategies in 2026 – https://www.theverge.com/tech/879749/apple-podcasts-video-swap-hls-live-streaming Links for show notes Watch live or On Demand https://newmediashow.com Apple announcement https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/02/apple-introduces-a-new-video-podcast-experience-on-apple-podcasts/ Apple creator documentation https://podcasters.apple.com/video-apple-podcasts https://podcasters.apple.com/support/5593-how-to-publish-video https://podcasters.apple.com/support/3684-video-podcasts Podnews analysis https://podnews.net/article/video-apple-podcasts-details https://podnews.net/update/apple-podcasts-hero Guest James Cridland, Editor, https://Podnews.net https://james.cridland.net/biograph

AI-generated podcast hosts and shows are rapidly changing podcasting, video podcasting, and the creator economy across all distribution platforms, including AI LLMs. In this episode of The New Media Show Live #650 from Feb 4th, 2026, Host Rob Greenlee, CEO/Founder of Trust Factor Lab, explores how AI-generated podcasts affect people, trust, and the future of media with Jeanine Wright, Co-Founder and CEO of Inception Point AI. Jeanine Wright will help us better understand what Inception Point AI is building and why AI-generated personalities are different from human-created podcasts and AI-assisted editing tools. This conversation is designed to help podcasters, creators, media executives, and advertisers understand AI-generated podcast content without fear. It will be a clear, accurate discussion about how synthetic hosts work, how audiences respond emotionally, and what the next 12 to 24 months may look like as AI improves. As humans seem to be rejecting AI-generated content, its human consumption is growing and quality is rapidly improving. Key topics covered in this 60-minute conversation -AI-generated podcast hosts and synthetic media explained in plain language -How AI personalities are created using story plus technology -How listeners build trust and emotional attachment with AI voices -Disclosure and transparency for AI-generated content -Authenticity and credibility in AI-created podcasts versus human-created podcasts -Ethics, consent, voice, likeness, and IP issues in synthetic media -Brand safety, advertising readiness, and monetization for AI-hosted shows -Platform discovery and distribution when AI content volume explodes -What human creators should do now to stay differentiated and future-proof? -Practical strategies for building trust and growth in 2026 and beyond Who this episode is for -Podcast creators and video creators -Media companies, podcast networks, and platform teams -Advertisers and brand safety leaders -Listeners curious about AI-generated content and the future of podcasting Watch live at YouTube.com/@RobGreenlee and join the conversation Watch On-Demand/Podcast Audio and Video Versions at https://newmediashow.com Guest Jeanine Wright, Inception Point AI https://www.inceptionpoint.ai Host Rob Greenlee https://robgreenlee.com https://www.youtube.com/@RobGreenlee https://www.youtube.com/@spokenhuman https://www.linkedin.com/in/robgreenlee https://www.instagram.com/robwgreenlee https://x.com/robgreenlee https://AdoreNetwork.com https://PodcastHall.com 00:00 Introduction to the New Media Show 00:55 Guest Introduction: Janine Wright 01:42 Addressing AI Controversies 05:18 AI’s Impact on Jobs and Content Quality 13:36 Exploring AI-Generated Content 14:41 AI Personalities and Content Creation 22:42 Future of AI in Content Creation 31:32 Transparency and Ethical Considerations 43:25 Human Creators in an AI-Driven World 46:40 Exploring Swap Farms and Bot Traffic 47:28 The Evolution of Podcast Quality 50:45 AI in Video Content Creation 52:20 Digital Clones and Ethical Considerations 56:50 AI Personalities and Content Creation 01:04:19 The Future of AI in Podcasting 01:23:09 Advertiser Reactions and Industry Impact 01:25:43 Final Thoughts and Future ConversationsThe post How AI-Created Podcasts Impacting Humans? | Jeanine Wright #650 first appeared on New Media Show.

This week in episode 649 of the New Media Show, Rob Greenlee is joined by Jordan Harbinger to unpack the question creators ask nonstop in 2026: What actually grows a podcast or show (and what doesn’t)? – Jordan’s core answer is refreshingly “boring,” but real: long-term consistency, and realistic expectations about how long monetization can take—even for shows that eventually become huge. From there, the conversation expands into the bigger shift happening right now: – Audio podcasts increasingly competing (and collaborating) with video ecosystems especially YouTube where the “rules” and algorithmic expectations are fundamentally different from audio distribution. They also dig into platform strategy and brand-fit tension like whether “talk show” style content truly belongs on Netflix, and why creators may face tough tradeoffs when platforms want exclusivity that can limit reach elsewhere. After Jordan wraps and leaves the show, Rob closes with a rapid-fire, ranked set of growth plays emphasizing that none are magic bullets, but together they form a practical menu you can test based on your format and audience: – Short-form clips (done well) to reach different audiences while recognizing shorts viewers don’t always convert to long-form listeners/viewers. – Guest/social amplification that’s genuinely value-add (not generic promo spam). – Niche community, value-first posting built around knowing exactly who your show serves. – Owned audience via email/newsletter + even a WhatsApp group concept. – AI clip volume + testing (alternate cuts, tighter versions, experimentation). – Structured cross-promos / feed drops with comparable shows and fair “impressions”-style thinking. – Video distribution expansion including Spotify video (if Spotify makes changes) as another potential growth surface—and the emerging “start audio, finish video” behavior across devices. Guest: Jordan Harbinger Website: https://www.jordanharbinger.com Podcast: https://www.jordanharbinger.com/podcast/ YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@JordanHarbinger Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jordanharbinger/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordanharbinger X: https://x.com/jordanharbinger Host: Rob Greenlee and New Media Show Links Rob Greenlee Website – https://robgreenlee.com/ New Media Show (Audio & Video) – https://newmediashow.com/ New Media Show Audio (Apple Podcasts) – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-media-show-audio/id392545649 Rob Greenlee on YouTube – https://youtube.com/@RobGreenlee Podfest Expo – https://podfestexpo.com – https://podcasthall.comThe post What Actually Grows a Podcast or Show Now? | Jordan Harbinger #649 first appeared on New Media Show.

The New Media Show #648 Live On-Stage at Podfest Expo (Jan 16, 2026) Where Audio, Video, and AI Flow Together Recorded live on stage at Podfest Expo in Orlando, Rob Greenlee is joined by three of the smartest voices shaping where podcasting is headed right now: James Cridland (Podnews), Rox Codes (Flightcast), and Philip Nelson (Nelco Media). This episode tackles the collision of audio RSS, platform-native video, and AI-powered creator workflows and why the podcast conversation in 2026 is less about labels and more about content that works everywhere. What we cover: -Audio podcasting vs video podcasting and what audiences actually want -Why content first matters more than format wars -The roots of video in early podcasting and why it feels full circle again -Fragmented audiences across YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, and Shorts -Practical creator strategy packaging, titles, thumbnails, retention, and workflow systems that scale Guests and Links: James Cridland Podnews – https://podnews.net/ Podnews Weekly Review – https://weekly.podnews.net/ Rox Codes Flightcast – https://flightcast.com/ Rox Codes – https://rox.codes/ Philip Nelson Nelco Media – https://nelco.media/ Philip Nelson – https://nelco.media/about/ Rob Greenlee and New Media Show Links Rob Greenlee Website – https://robgreenlee.com/ New Media Show (Audio & Video) – https://newmediashow.com/ New Media Show Audio (Apple Podcasts) – https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-media-show-audio/id392545649 Rob Greenlee on YouTube – https://youtube.com/@RobGreenlee Podfest Expo – https://podfestexpo.com – https://podcasthall.comThe post Where Audio, Video, and AI Flow Together | Podfest Panel #648 first appeared on New Media Show.

The New Media Show Episode 647 Live on Jan 21st, 20026 at 6pm ET. Show Topic: Digital Creator 2026 Money Playbook Content Creator’s Business and Financial Strategies are moving faster than ever with video, audio podcasting, AI tools, and nonstop platform changes, but many are still running the business side like a hobby. The New Media Show with Rob Greenlee is joined live by Ralph Estep Jr, licensed accountant and host of The Content Creators Accountant, to break down the simple money systems creators need to turn creator chaos into calm financial clarity. If you earn from YouTube AdSense, brand deals and UGC, affiliate income, memberships and subscriptions, courses, coaching, digital products, or PayPal and Stripe payouts, this episode is built for you. Topics we cover: – How to separate business money from personal without overcomplicating it – How to track income across multiple platforms without headaches – How to set aside taxes automatically even in uneven months – How to make smarter gear decisions without wrecking cash flow – How to build simple repeatable financial systems that creators can follow – What to focus on in 2026 to run a real creator business that lasts – 2026 Podcast Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony on Jan 16th, 2026 Watch Live and Subscribe: New Media Show Website – https://newmediashow.com Rob Greenlee Website – https://robgreenlee.com Rob Greenlee YouTube – https://www.youtube.com/@RobGreenlee Podcast Hall of Fame – https://podcasthall.com Adore Creator Network – https://AdoreNetwork.com Passion Struck Network – https://PassionStruckNetwork.com Rob Greenlee LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/robgreenlee Book Rob Greenlee – https://calendly.com/robgreenlee Ralph Estep Jr Links: Content Creators Accountant Website and free resources https://contentcreatorsaccountant.com The Content Creators Accountant Podcast https://contentcreatorsaccountant.com/podcastThe post Digital Creator 2026 Money Playbook | Ralph Estep Jr. #647 first appeared on New Media Show.

Todd Cochrane Founder of Blubrry Podcasting and Rob Greenlee of Libsyn are joined by Facebook Podcast team members Chelsea White, Chelsea is the Product Manager for the Podcast Core Experience, and is responsible for the playback and listening experiences, as well as content discovery and distribution. Prior to this role, she was a Product Manager for Facebook’s Messenger web interfaces and before that, a Product Manager at IBM. Current favorite/most listened to podcasts are Techish and a lot of Crooked Media’s shows. Irena Lam, Irena is the Product Manager for the Podcast Creator Ecosystem at Facebook and focuses specifically on Creator Experience, Podcaster Value, and Content Inventory. Along with Podcasts, she also supports various Music products across Facebook and Instagram. Prior to her current role, she was at a technical interviewing startup called Karat and Microsoft before that. Current favorite podcasts are 99% Invisible and Reply All. Rob and I would like to thank the Facebook team for coming on the show to discuss Facebook plans for podcasting Donate to the show and Support this podcast. Send a Sticker Get a Sticker: Send us your show sticker and we will send you a New Media Show Sticker. Get on our sticker board for the show. New Media Productions 365 N Willowbrook Rd Suite: C Coldwater, Mi, 49036The post Facebook Podcasting Team #474 first appeared on New Media Show.

This week (December 17th, 2025) on episode #645 of The New Media Show with Rob Greenlee host is joined by longtime podcasting pioneer and returning guest co-host Cliff Ravenscraft, the Podcast Answer Man, for a wide-ranging and timely conversation about where podcasting has been and where it’s heading next. The episode opens with a reflection on the long-running industry debate around the definition of a podcast and why that question has resurfaced so often over the last few years. Rob and Cliff explore how audience behavior has quietly moved ahead of industry debates, shifting consumption toward a mix of audio, video, livestreams, and platforms like YouTube, often without waiting for permission or consensus. Cliff shares the full story behind his return to the Podcast Answer Man brand after stepping away years ago, including why he left, what he focused on during his time away, and what changes in the podcasting and creator landscape made this the right moment to come back. He reflects on two decades in podcasting, helping tens of thousands of creators launch shows, and why many creators today feel overwhelmed by conflicting advice around video, algorithms, and monetization. Rob introduces the concept of podcasting’s evolving eras, beginning with the often-forgotten “Zero Era” where audio and video podcasting coexisted early on, followed by the MeUndies era, the experimentation and acquisition boom, and the more recent identity-crisis phase defined by the question “What is a podcast?” Together, Rob and Cliff discuss why the industry may now be entering what’s being called the Liquid Content Era, where shows are no longer confined to a single format and content flows across feeds, platforms, and experiences. The conversation digs into the tension between creator intent and audience convenience, the role of RSS in a changing ecosystem, and the risks of letting algorithms dictate creative decisions. Cliff offers a counterbalance to the pressure many creators feel to be everywhere at once, emphasizing that audio-only podcasting can still succeed when aligned with clear goals, sustainable workflows, and meaningful audience relationships. The episode also explores production quality, evolving audio standards, video integration challenges, international podcast growth, and why podcasting remains a powerful global medium despite constant claims that it’s “over” or “dead.” This episode is both a reality check and a recalibration, encouraging creators to stop defending definitions, focus on serving audiences, and choose formats intentionally rather than reactively. Join the conversation in comments, and be part of the discussion about what podcasting really means now and what it can become next. Rob Greenlee Rob Greenlee Website https://RobGreenlee.com New Media Show for Audio and Video RSS feeds https://NewMediaShow.com Adore Podcast Network https://AdoreNetwork.com Adore Creator Community on Skool https://Skool.com/AdoreNetwork Podcast Hall of Fame https://PodcastHall.com https://YouTube.com/@OfficialPodcastHallofFame The Pro Creator Playbook with Rob Greenlee Audio podcast https://www.adorenetwork.com/show/pro-creator-playbook-audio/ Video show https://www.adorenetwork.com/show/pro-creator-playbook-video/ Spoken Life Show https://www.adorenetwork.com/show/spoken-life-show/ Spoken Human show on YouTube https://YouTube.com/@spokenhuman Rob Greenlee YouTube channel https://YouTube.com/@RobGreenlee Cliff Ravenscraft https://CliffRavenscraft.com https://PodcastAnswerMan.comThe post What’s a Podcast Era Is Over – Welcome Liquid Content Era #645 first appeared on New Media Show.

In the December 10th, 2025 Live episode of The New Media Show, host Rob Greenlee welcomes Mike Dell, VP at Blubrry Podcasting, as guest co-host for a grounded, practical conversation about what keeps a podcast growing long after the initial excitement fades. The episode opens with a sincere reflection on Todd’s passing and the lasting impact he had on the community, along with the intention to honor his legacy in the months ahead. From there, Rob and Mike move into the core topic: why many podcasts and live shows start strong, then stall. They unpack how a lack of clarity and consistency often shows up as drifting topics, uneven pacing, and episodes that feel improvised in a way that does not serve the listener. Their argument is simple: sustainable shows are built, not stumbled into. Structure does not mean sounding scripted or robotic. It means defining a format your audience can recognize, returning to it reliably, and creating a repeatable experience that keeps people coming back. They also talk about how modern media habits are reshaping expectations. With short form video and endless scroll everywhere, audiences decide quickly whether to stay. Rob and Mike stress the importance of a strong opening, clear positioning, and content that delivers on what the title promises. They discuss video as part of the current landscape, but keep the focus on fundamentals like audio quality, intentional production choices, and making platform decisions that do not compromise the listener experience. Mike pulls in lessons from his own shows, including what he has learned from hyperlocal and niche content, and how community relevance can drive engagement in ways that surprise creators. The conversation highlights practical ways to increase interaction, including live chat, polls, and Q and A segments, not as gimmicks, but as tools to build a real sense of participation and belonging. They also touch on workflow improvements, handling technical issues gracefully, simplifying video production, and using on screen titles and lower thirds so viewers can easily follow along. By the end, the episode becomes a clear playbook for leveling up: know what your show is trying to achieve, design a format that supports that goal, respect attention early, keep the quality bar consistent, and build community in a way that invites people in instead of pushing them away. Rob Greenlee Rob Greenlee Website https://RobGreenlee.com New Media Show for Audio and Video RSS feeds https://NewMediaShow.com Adore Podcast Network https://AdoreNetwork.com Adore Creator Community on Skool https://Skool.com/AdoreNetwork Podcast Hall of Fame https://PodcastHall.com https://YouTube.com/@OfficialPodcastHallofFame The Pro Creator Playbook with Rob Greenlee Audio podcast https://www.adorenetwork.com/show/pro-creator-playbook-audio/ Video show https://www.adorenetwork.com/show/pro-creator-playbook-video/ Spoken Life Show https://www.adorenetwork.com/show/spoken-life-show/ Spoken Human show on YouTube https://YouTube.com/@spokenhuman Rob Greenlee YouTube channel https://YouTube.com/@RobGreenlee Mike Dell Blubrry Podcasting https://blubrry.com https://MikeDell.com Audio Chapters: 00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction 01:00 Reflecting on Podcasting Changes 01:25 The Importance of Podcast Structure 03:19 Balancing Planning and Spontaneity 04:58 Engaging the Audience 08:08 Navigating Algorithms and Goals 18:54 Hyperlocal and Niche Podcasting 34:26 Live Shows and Audience Interaction 42:34 Improving Podcasting Skills 43:03 Maintaining Authenticity in Production 43:32 Handling Technical Glitches 44:33 Simplifying Video Production 44:46 Using Streaming Platforms Effectively 48:52 Importance of Lower Thirds and Titles 50:12 Editing and Post-Production Tips 56:59 Building a Community 01:01:02 Engaging with Your Audience 01:07:51 Q&A Session 01:12:46 Final Thoughts and AnnouncementsThe post Making a Pro Level Live or Recorded Show – New Media Show #644 first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode, we relaunch the New Media Show #643 with special guest Rob Walsh, VP of Libsyn. After a difficult last few months following the passing of longtime friend and co-host Todd Cochrane, The New Media Show officially returns with a fresh format and a familiar voice. In this reboot episode, we again talk candidly about the process of bringing the show back, honoring Todd’s legacy, and where the podcasting industry is really headed in 2025 and beyond. Rob Greenlee and Rob Walch dig into the renewed 2026 Podcast Hall of Fame, why hosting it at Podfest Expo matters, and how this year’s inductee class reflects both the early pioneers and today’s global voices. They unpack what advertisers are actually buying right now, why mid sized loyal shows often outperform the “big names,” and how the shift from demographic targeting to psychographic and genre based buying is changing deals for creators at every level. The conversation also explores the rise of private communities and paid video ecosystems on platforms like Substack and Uscreen, plus the relaunch of NewMediaShow.com with a fully restored archive of nearly 600 past episodes. From YouTube and Spotify’s “top podcast” charts to Apple’s long running audio ecosystem, the two Robs wrestle with a core question: what truly counts as a podcast in an era where many YouTube only shows get labeled as such. They contrast audio first and video first strategies, debate download versus HLS streaming, and talk through how measurement, attribution, and IAB revenue reports reveal a still under valued ad market relative to radio and other media. Finally, they tackle the current wave of AI generated ads and shows, including legal requirements around disclosure and why so much AI content still feels soulless, even as tools get faster and more powerful. Whether you are an indie creator, a network executive, or someone who has followed The New Media Show for years, this reboot episode sets the tone for a new chapter that stays true to the show’s roots while leaning hard into the realities of today’s business of podcasting. Rob Greenlee Rob Greenlee website https://RobGreenlee.com New Media Show for Audio and Video RSS feeds https://NewMediaShow.com Adore Creator Network and shows hub https://AdoreNetwork.com Adore Creator Community on Skool https://Skool.com/AdoreNetwork Podcast Hall of Fame https://PodcastHall.com https://YouTube.com/@OfficialPodcastHallofFame The Pro Creator Playbook with Rob Greenlee Audio podcast https://www.adorenetwork.com/show/pro-creator-playbook-audio/ Video show https://www.adorenetwork.com/show/pro-creator-playbook-video/ Spoken Life Show https://www.adorenetwork.com/show/spoken-life-show/ Spoken Human show on YouTube https://YouTube.com/@spokenhuman Rob Greenlee YouTube channel https://YouTube.com/@RobGreenlee Rob Walch Libsyn podcast hosting and network https://libsyn.com Podcast411 with Rob Walch https://podcast411.com  The post Rebooting the Show: Video, AI and Revenue #643 first appeared on New Media Show.

On this special New Media Show tribute episode, we honor the life and legacy of Todd Cochrane, podcasting pioneer, podcast hall of famer, founder of Blubrry and RawVoice, host of Geek News Central podcast, author of one of the first podcasting books, and co-host on The New Media Show for 13 years. Todd’s influence on podcasting was profound: from launching one of the earliest shows in 2004, to creating the Podcast Awards, to championing open RSS and independent podcasters. His voice, conviction, and generosity shaped the medium and inspired countless creators. Joining host Rob Greenlee Podcast Hall of Famer are Adam Curry is also a Podcast Hall of Famer, Mike Dell, VP at Blubrry, and Rob Walch, VP at Libsyn who is also a Podcast Hall of Famer as we reflect on Todd’s extraordinary journey and life, from Navy service to podcasting leader, and discuss his impact on the industry, his unwavering advocacy for creators, and the lessons he leaves for the future of podcasting.The post Remembering Todd Cochrane Podcast Hall of Famer and Blubrry CEO first appeared on New Media Show.

The episode titled “Bryan Barletta of Podcast Movement: What’s Next for the Show?” features hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee, who welcome guest Bryan Barletta. The episode begins with Todd introducing Bryan and discussing the recent happenings at Podcast Movement following the event. Bryan expresses gratitude for Todd and Rob’s previous discussions about Podcast Movement and mentions the importance of critical feedback. Todd brings up some challenges regarding the number of attendees and logistical details from the recent Podcast Movement event, sharing metrics he tracked personally. Bryan explains that he was less involved in that specific event but acknowledges the need for feedback and improvement based on attendees’ experiences. Bryan discusses his recent transition after the acquisition of SoundProfitable and how it positions him to make impactful changes in the industry. He emphasizes the need to create value and excitement around the event, with a particular focus on enhancing attendance and engagement. They discuss how the geographical location of upcoming events, especially in New York, should draw more attendees compared to previous events in San Diego. Todd highlights the differences in crowd behavior at events compared to others, like Podfest and events in London. Bryan responds that the changes since COVID and the dynamics of each convention make it essential to evaluate attendee needs carefully. The conversation shifts to how better to engage creators and business representatives in the podcasting industry. Bryan acknowledges the diversity within the creator community and highlights the challenges of merging business and creator-centric content at events. Rob raises concerns about maintaining a balance between industry-focused events and offerings for creators. They note the popularity of video as a growing trend in podcasting and the importance of presenting audio content in appealing ways. Todd urges that audio should remain a cherished medium and not be overshadowed by video initiatives. As the episode progresses, Bryan shares his views on the potential of Podcast Movement to support creators more robustly and the need to differentiate from competing platforms like YouTube and Spotify. He emphasizes the importance of fostering audio-centric content creation in response to industry changes. Toward the end of the discussion, Bryan shares that announcements will be made around October, hinting at upcoming adjustments to the event structure and approach to programming. He emphasizes the goal of making it easier for attendees to engage with the event and expresses excitement about future initiatives. Todd and Rob wrap up the episode by reflecting on Bryan’s insights, acknowledging questions that remain, and the evolving landscape of podcasting events. They point out the potential for regional events and reiterate the need for better communication with the creator community. The episode concludes with Todd giving his contact details and inviting listeners to follow up for future discussions.The post Bryan Barletta of Podcast Movement: What’s Next for the Show? #642 first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode titled “Podcast Movement Recap and Insights,” hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee discuss their experiences and observations from the recent Podcast Movement conference held in Dallas. Todd has also posted a piece on Linkedin that has garnered nearly 8000 views. Todd kicks off the conversation by expressing gratitude for the listeners. Rob brings up the theme “show me the money,” which reflects a mixture of seriousness and humor regarding the event. Todd shares his experience of arriving on a Sunday, noting that he could have saved on hotel costs by arriving later, given the event’s setup schedule. Both hosts discuss the presence of vendors at the conference, with Todd commenting on the impressive booth from Libsyn compared to other vendors, resulting in a total of about twenty vendors. Rob adds context for those unfamiliar with Podcast Movement, describing it as historically significant and the largest podcasting conference, although he notes that it may no longer hold that title. They express concerns over attendance numbers, suggesting that the conference may be losing its prominence compared to other events, such as Podfest. As they delve deeper, Todd notes that many attendees seemed to be local and not diverse enough geographically in terms of representation. They discuss the financial aspects of attending the event, including ticket costs and discounts provided for local attendees. Todd expresses relief that the discounted tickets helped increase attendance. The conversation shifts to a significant announcement made during the conference regarding Podcast Movement’s acquisition of Sounds Profitable. They discuss the implications of this acquisition and the confusion surrounding the language used to describe the transaction, which is defined as both an acquisition and a merger. Todd shares his initial reactions and interactions with key players from Sounds Profitable, expressing hope for future creator engagement. Rob and Todd then reflect on the event’s atmosphere and traffic. While they experienced slow periods, Todd is satisfied with the overall attendance, noting that they ultimately scanned around 100 badges. They discuss the mix of people they interacted with, some looking to shift their hosting platforms, while others were starting. The hosts discuss potential issues affecting the podcasting space, including stagnation in creator numbers and retention concerns. Critical discussions within the industry arise, reflecting on whether podcasting can maintain its independence while embracing mainstream media and the expectations of profitability. They also discuss practical considerations for future events, including potential changes in scheduling and structure to appeal to both business professionals and creators. Rob suggests the need for one-day passes and more targeted marketing to effectively engage local audiences. Todd expresses his hope for improvements, highlighting the possibility of creating a space for a truly educational experience that is free from self-promotion. They both emphasize the importance of creating a balanced program that prioritizes genuine teaching and sharing knowledge rather than merely promoting products or platforms. By the end of the episode, Todd shares some insights regarding industry trends, drawing attention to the need for widespread understanding of Open RSS and its importance in sustaining the podcasting ecosystem. They conclude with acknowledgments, inviting their audience to send feedback and highlighting key people in the podcasting community, while looking forward to future developments and discussions. The episode wraps up with both hosts thanking their listeners and affirming their return for the next episode.The post Podcast Movement Recap and Insights #641 first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode titled “Podcasting’s Future Is Choice”, hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee discuss various aspects of the podcasting industry, particularly surrounding the upcoming Podcast Movement event. The episode begins with Todd and Rob greeting each other and discussing their plans to attend the Podcast Movement conference. They discuss the costs associated with attending the event and express hope that it will attract a good turnout. Todd mentions the high price of coffee at the venue, leading to a discussion about the costs of refreshments at such events. They then transition to a new topic, discussing a recent article by Tom Webster that highlights a survey revealing the public still predominantly expects podcasts to be audio-based. The hosts analyze and debate the implications of the data, discussing how perceptions may be shifting regarding the definitions of podcasts as audiences encounter more video content. Rob comments on the current state of the podcasting industry, describing it as “cloudy” due to the evolving relationship between audio and video formats. He reflects on how podcasting has become increasingly commercialized over time, similar to mainstream media, with a growing focus on monetization and advertising. As the conversation progresses, Todd and Rob delve into a podcast study indicating that most listeners dedicate only three hours a week to podcasts, questioning the implications of such limited consumption. They also discuss the growth in podcast advertising revenue, which has reportedly risen, but express skepticism about the figures presented, particularly in light of layoffs within the industry. Todd mentions Spotify’s plan to raise subscription costs for users outside the U.S. and discusses other industry trends, such as the dual nature of recent podcasting content. Rob notes that some networks are canceling podcasts labeled as risky because of their unfiltered content. The hosts shift to a discussion about the upcoming Podcast Movement, focusing on the various sessions and their related topics, with a notable emphasis on video in podcasting. They also touch on the challenges of securing accommodations at the event. Towards the closing of the episode, Todd and Rob recount their personal travel experiences and provide insights into Internet speeds available in their respective areas, reflecting on the necessary infrastructure for modern podcasting. In conclusion, they agree to return with insights and updates from Podcast Movement in a future episode, signing off with their contact information.The post Podcasting’s Future Is a Choice first appeared on New Media Show.

In the latest episode of the New Media Show, hosted by Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee, the discussion begins with a light greeting and banter about upcoming events, particularly Todd’s anticipated return to the United States and the podcast movement. They briefly touch on the advertising campaigns Todd has been involved with on PodNews and his challenges with launching GuestMatch.pro, a new platform aimed at connecting podcasters with guests. As the conversation progresses, they delve into Netflix’s shifting focus towards video content and its impact on traditional media. Todd shares his skepticism about the effectiveness of simple audio being placed on video platforms. At the same time, Rob discusses the implications of this shift, noting how it might reshape the dynamics of podcast talent. The hosts then spotlight Overcast’s testing of built-in transcript support, congratulating founder Marco for joining Apple Podcast and Pocket Cast in incorporating transcripts. They hope that Overcast will adopt the transcript tag from RSS feeds, thereby increasing accessibility to podcasts. The episode transitions to a discussion about Spotify, covering its challenges with ad revenue despite overall profit increases. Rob notes the industry’s pivot towards subscription models and raises questions about Spotify’s advertising future. The conversation shifts towards programmatic ads and how new players in the space, like rss.com, are establishing their presence with low payout thresholds. Todd and Rob discuss the implications of advertising and the financial dynamics of big tech companies managing content platforms. They also highlight a recent list from Time magazine that featured the 100 best podcasts, expressing disappointment over the omission of notable shows such as “Pod Save America” and “The Joe Rogan Experience.” The hosts speculate on the potential political bias in the selections. Further conversations explore the estimated boom in the podcast market projected to reach $40 billion by 2025; however, they debate whether this is realistic given the nature of the industry. The discussion then navigates through the broader podcast landscape, tackling the nuances in monetization paths for creators and the increasing reliance on private platforms like Patreon and Substack. Todd and Rob reflect on the evolution of audience engagement, particularly with women-led podcasts establishing a significant presence compared to traditional solo-hosted shows, which men often dominate. They discuss the importance of forming direct relationships between creators and their audience, encouraging creators to harness tools for community building and revenue generation outside traditional platforms. As the episode nears its conclusion, they share personal anecdotes related to travel and technology, with Todd recounting his experiences with AI capabilities in optimizing tasks, such as finding flight deals. Overall, the episode offers a comprehensive update on the podcasting industry, examining shifts in media consumption, the economic landscape, and providing guidance for creators navigating these changes. The hosts conclude the show with a reminder about their respective social media handles and encourage audience engagement before wrapping up.The post Overcast quietly tests built-in transcripts! first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode of “The New Media Show,” hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee discuss various aspects of independent podcasting, referencing the financial success of the Joe Budden Network, which reportedly makes over a million dollars a month on Patreon plus an equal amount in advertising revenue. Todd expresses his views on what constitutes an independent podcast, questioning whether contracts with platforms like Spotify affect that classification. Rob adds that the definition of independence in podcasting is convoluted, as many shows labeled as independent still utilize a team for production. The conversation highlights that Joe Budden once had a contract with Spotify but is now considered independent, having left due to insufficient financial support. Todd believes that many independent podcasters can sustain themselves financially through strategic planning and high-quality content, even with a small team. Furthermore, they discuss monetization strategies, including flexible donation models on platforms such as Patreon & Paypal. Rob shares that he views independent podcasts as those that control their content rights and haven’t given them over to a larger platform. Both hosts agree on the changing landscape, where even well-known podcasters can still consider themselves independent despite having support teams. As the dialogue progresses, they discuss NPR’s funding cuts and the implications of these changes on independent content creation, highlighting the evolution of podcasting since its inception around twenty years ago. They reflect on how their audience demographics have evolved alongside them, with the younger audience now more prevalent than when they first started. The latter part of the episode transitions into a discussion about industry events, with a particular focus on the upcoming Podcast Movement conference. Todd shares insights on the scale and focus of the event, noting a shift towards more corporate sponsors and fewer independent participants. They highlight the need for unified metrics in podcasting to simplify advertising buy decisions, citing confusion among ad buyers. As the conversation draws to a close, Todd and Rob cover the emerging trend of AI-generated voiceovers for ads, discussing potential ethical concerns and implications for audience trust in advertisements. They ultimately invite listeners to share their thoughts and feedback regarding the show and the topics discussed. The episode concludes with both hosts sharing their contact information and encouraging audience engagement, highlighting the continued evolution and challenges within the podcasting landscape.The post Independent Podcasts Build Massive Annual Revenue first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode titled “Adam Curry Returns and Spotify’s Seven Million Shows,” hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee welcome listeners to the new media show. Rob expresses his excitement about discussing various topics, particularly noting the significant milestone of seven million podcasts, mainly attributed to Spotify (wink)(wink). As they delve into the numbers, Todd and Rob comment on how many new podcast creators fail to enable RSS feeds at Spotify, which limits their reach to platforms like Apple Podcasts. Todd notes that Spotify’s exclusive setup has led to many underwhelming shows, which the Podcast Index has responded to by halting the listing of new shows due to a high failure rate. Rob points out the false perception of success that arises from inflated numbers while highlighting the challenges new creators face in achieving real engagement. Todd emphasizes that many shows are simply tests with little commitment behind them. They discuss the implications of free trials offered by hosting services, revealing frustrations with the influx of low-quality or “scammer” shows that clutter platforms. The conversation shifts to the current climate in podcasting, where the number of new shows has decreased compared to previous years. Rob mentions that while many creators are searching for side hustles, they often have unrealistic expectations regarding making money through podcasting, which requires more effort than they anticipate. Todd discusses the confusion many users have regarding the relationship between hosting platforms and listening services, citing that many believe Blueberry is a listening platform, which it is not. They also address Spotify’s reluctance to help creators connect with Apple Podcasts. Todd shares his experiences with users who mistakenly reach out to Blueberry for help with Spotify-related issues. As they continue, Todd reveals internal data suggesting that many podcasts are inactive or have “dead” RSS feeds, while illustrating Apple’s unknown criteria for keeping their catalog updated compared to other platforms. Todd speaks about a rare rejection moment from Apple regarding a show based on audio quality, which Todd describes as surprising. The episode then takes a turn towards upcoming events in the podcasting space, with mentions of Adam Curry’s participation in Podcast Movement. Todd sadly recalls past sessions that have drawn sparse attendance, emphasizing the need for promotion to attract audiences to such events. They briefly discuss YouTube’s efforts to crack down on low-quality content generated by AI, contrasting it with the podcasting landscape, and share concerns about the rising dominance of AI in content creation. Todd shares his methods for utilizing AI tools to assist in content preparation, while maintaining that human oversight is crucial. Towards the conclusion, the hosts touch upon trends in audience creation and how individuals are increasingly perceiving themselves as creators amid a deluge of content. They also address current scams and phishing attempts, urging listeners to be vigilant in protecting their online presence and assets. Finally, Todd expresses his excitement about the potential new fiber internet service coming to his area, and they share amusing anecdotes about scams encountered online. Rob mentions a recent scam involving fake podcast opportunities, urging caution in distinguishing legitimate offers from fraudulent ones. The episode wraps up with both hosts thanking their audience, sharing their social media handles, and teasing future topics before signing off.The post Adam Curry Returns and Spotify’s Seven Million Shows – LOL first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode of “The New Media Show,” hosted by Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee, the discussion centers on various topics in the podcasting space, with a particular focus on the emerging interest in video podcasting publishing formats. The episode starts with Todd welcoming listeners and mentioning that Rob has joined him for the episode. They begin by discussing the ongoing evolution in podcasting and how the interest in video podcasts via open RSS feeds is growing. Rob notes that such interest might seem new, but has been simmering for some time. Todd brings up a behind-the-scenes conversation from a Slack channel regarding HLS (HTTP Live Streaming) and how it is being discussed among industry peers. He mentions his conversations with Apple during a recent podcast event in London, reflecting on how he may have been one of the few advocating for the issues at hand. As they continue, they touch on the technical challenges surrounding hosting video podcasts, particularly the costs associated with bandwidth and the potential impact of monetization if platforms like Apple start caching video content. Rob expresses that the architecture for programmatic advertising in video podcasts is there but hasn’t been fully implemented. The hosts reflect on whether they’ve received feedback from their audience regarding the video quality of past shows and review the general appetite for audio versus video content in the industry. They discuss how audience feedback on video quality has been minimal over the years. Todd shares a recent observation about video podcasts, highlighting the importance of streaming technology versus traditional MP4 formats and emphasizing the need for seamless switching between audio and video. They both agree on the necessity of making video content discoverable, particularly by platforms like Apple. The conversation shifts towards advertising trends in the podcasting industry. Todd notes concerns over a softening podcast advertising market and declining CPMs, while Rob suggests that this might influence future advertising strategies. They mention how engagement could be affected by shifts from audio to video formats and the importance of retaining a user-friendly experience in the podcasting landscape. Todd shares insights from PodTrak regarding a decline in podcast rankings and engagement, indicating that advertisers must reevaluate their strategies in light of shifting audience behaviors. The hosts consider how competition from platforms like Spotify and YouTube may drive innovation in video podcasting and how the industry might adapt accordingly. In discussing the aesthetics of podcasting setups, Todd mentions watching bourbon review channels on YouTube and how they reflect a shift towards more authentic settings. They deliberate on the evolving visual appeal in podcasting, suggesting that traditional studio setups may be on the decline in favor of more natural environments. Returning to technical and content-related issues, they both express concern about the implications of AI-generated content in the podcasting space, debating the ethics and how misinformation could be flagged in audio content. Todd proposes a need for a system to delineate levels of AI involvement in content creation. As the episode wraps up, Todd and Rob invite listeners to engage with them by sharing feedback on topics or insights they might wish to discuss about the podcasting industry, emphasizing their openness to candid discussions on advertising trends. Both hosts conclude by encouraging their audience to subscribe to the podcast, highlighting its availability on various platforms and emphasizing the ongoing relevance of audio and video content creation within podcasting. They sign off, looking forward to reconnecting in the next episode.The post Additional Video Podcast Format via RSS first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode of “The New Media Show,” hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee discuss various developments in the podcasting industry, including the surge of live festivals, the opening of awards voting, and Apple’s 20th anniversary of supporting podcasts. The episode begins with Todd and Rob checking in with each other, with Todd sharing updates about his studio and the issues he’s experiencing with his podcasting gear. They quickly dive into topics set for discussion, mentioning the podcast awards and podcast festivals. Todd highlights the recent discussions surrounding Apple Podcasts and its 20-year support, reflecting on the nostalgia and excitement, but also expressing a desire for Apple to promote shows that have been around for that long. Rob agrees, pointing out that newer audiences may not be interested in the legacy shows. They also discuss the growth of live podcasting events, referencing past successes and the potential for more live events, especially in major cities like New York. As they delve deeper, they express concern about the future of podcast conferences in the U.S. Todd mentions a decline in interest in these events, contrasting it with the vibrant atmosphere at previous gatherings. They reflect on their past experiences at successful live events, speculating that the popularity of podcasting could lead to a resurgence in live, fan-focused events. The conversation shifts to the upcoming Podcast Movement conference in Dallas, where both hosts will be attending. Todd voices concerns about attendance and the changing nature of these events, suggesting a strategic shift where they will focus more on promoting their new product. The hosts then discuss the upcoming People’s Choice Podcast Awards, noting slightly lower registration numbers this year but emphasizing the significance of being included on the slate. They encourage podcasters to register and participate, comparing the awards to the increasing number of different award ceremonies emerging in the industry. The latter part of the episode centers on the debate about video podcasting versus audio. There is a discussion about the merits and challenges of video podcasts, including resource demands, audience engagement, and technical aspects like HLS (HTTP Live Streaming). They touch on HLS technology and the current reluctance of various hosting platforms to adopt it, noting that while video has advantages, audio still holds significant value. Finally, they conclude with a brief note about Audacy partnering with iHeartRadio to expand its podcast reach, before reiterating the mixed feelings surrounding the current state of the podcasting industry and the need to attract new creators. They emphasize the importance of delivering viable audio content, especially for new podcasters, encouraging a continued focus on growth and sustainability within the medium. The hosts close the episode, thanking their audience and mentioning their respective contact information, inviting listeners to engage with them further.The post Podcasting Pulse: Live Festivals Surge, Awards Voting Opens & Apple Turns 20 first appeared on New Media Show.

In the podcast episode titled “Expanding Podcast Image Standards for a Better Cross-App Experience,” host Todd Cochrane starts by welcoming listeners to the show. He mentions that Rob Greenlee is absent due to personal business but will return next week. Todd expresses his gratitude to both live listeners and those tuning in later. Todd discusses ongoing developments within the podcasting space, particularly surrounding Podcasting 2.0, which aims to expand image specifications for podcasters. He explains the recent Apple announcement regarding new image specs for podcast art, emphasizing the need for diversification across apps and websites, as not all have the exact requirements. Todd points out that the traditional 1400×1400 pixel image format is insufficient for some platforms, suggesting that podcasters should provide specific image sizes for different apps to improve the user experience. He provides an example of how developers and creators could include tags in their RSS feeds that specify the purpose and specific sizes for images, citing the example of a banner image that Overcast might require. Todd believes that offering a variety of image sizes will enhance the experience for listeners and facilitate better representation across different platforms. Todd also notes the potential benefits of creating episode art using artificial intelligence (AI) and discusses how services like Blubrry are already employing this technology to assist podcasters in generating artwork. He views the expansion of image standards as an opportunity for improving user engagement and the overall quality of the podcast experience. Additionally, Todd shares other industry news, such as podcasting overtaking radio in Germany and significant changes in leadership at Acast. He addresses the competitive landscape of on-demand streaming, expressing curiosity about how Spotify’s video podcasting initiatives could impact monetization models, as concerns regarding CPMs and revenue sharing arise. Towards the end of the episode, Todd mentions new advancements from services like Auphonic for audio processing, highlights the growth in listener demographics, and reflects on the ongoing evolution in the podcasting landscape. He concludes by encouraging his audience to engage with the show through support and boosts, thanking contributors for their involvement while looking forward to Rob’s return in the following episode. Thank you to Podnews for the source of most of the news.The post Expanding Podcast Image Standards for a Better Cross-App Experience first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode of “The New Media Show,” hosted by Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenleee, the discussion begins with light banter as Todd welcomes Rob and mentions inclement weather affecting his internet connection. Todd shares his recent experience optimizing his streaming setup. He discusses recent improvements in Blubrry’s AI image generation capabilities as seen in today’s show art. The hosts then dive into the episode’s main topic: “YouTube Doubles Down on Podcasts.” Rob introduces the idea that YouTube is changing the podcast landscape, with a focus on comments made by YouTube CEO Neil Mohan, who emphasized that viewers want to watch content rather than just listen to it. Todd notes audience feedback indicating that not all viewers agree, suggesting a divergence in listener preferences. Rob elaborates on an upcoming feature that will enable YouTube to automatically generate translated audio tracks for different languages, thereby broadening content accessibility. The discussion explores the implications of this feature for content creators and the listener’s experience. Next, Todd expresses his irritation with Spotify’s new transcript feature, highlighting how it excludes transcripts from creators not on Spotify. Both hosts are critical of Spotify’s lack of support for all transcripts and share their frustrations over platform limitations within the podcasting industry. They discuss the podcasting scene in Brazil as it relates to Radio, noting its slow adoption rate compared to the U.S. Todd ponders how many U.S. radio stations incorporate podcast content and how that compares internationally, particularly with Australia and the BBC. The conversation shifts to SiriusXM’s podcasting initiatives, highlighting the difference between direct ownership and licensing agreements with content creators and the challenges in current podcasting partnerships. Todd expresses curiosity about SiriusXM’s actual podcast ownership numbers and the dynamics at play. Rob and Todd then delve into recent news from a podcast growth firm suggesting that relying solely on download counts can be misleading. They debate the meaning of download versus consumption metrics and question the accuracy of alternative analytical dashboards proposed by the firm. Toward the end of the episode, Todd recalls the bad experience he had with domain ownership disputes, mentioning his former ownership of CNNpodcast dot com and its current state. They also briefly discuss the failed Apollo Fiction podcast app and the challenges that genre-specific podcast apps face in a crowded market. In the closing segment, Todd highlights the slow uptake of new episodes by platforms like Apple Podcasts, compared to faster services like Pocket Casts, emphasizing listener frustrations when episodes are not published promptly. Finally, Rob shares his contact information for listeners to reach out, while Todd expresses concern and support for listeners in Israel amidst current unrest, and wraps up the episode, noting his upcoming solo show due to Rob’s absence in the following week. They thank the audience for subscribing and encourage feedback.The post YouTube Doubles Down on Podcasts first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode of “The New Media Show,” hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee discuss the evolving landscape of podcasting, with a focus on the interplay between audio and video content, especially addressing the question of whether YouTube is dominating the podcasting space. The episode opens with Todd welcoming Rob back from a trip to Seattle. They briefly mention that there were applications for Rob’s job while he was away. They delve into the theme of the episode, highlighting the mixed perceptions around video and audio content in podcasting. Todd refers to an article by Paul Riismandel, stating that it presents a balanced view on how YouTube does not overshadow audio podcasting, which he insists remains strong. Rob echoes this, noting that amidst the hype surrounding video, audio podcasting remains a significant player and has its own audience. The discussion touches on Apple Podcasts and new features they announced at WWDC, which they feel did not fully address the needs of podcasters. Rob adds that there is a need to understand audience expectations and how new creators are feeling overwhelmed by the emphasis on video, even as they believe in the enduring value of audio content. As they explore the challenges faced by new creators, Todd acknowledges that many feel disenfranchised and are unsure about integrating video into their workflows. They discuss the complexities of personal branding and the challenges of building an audience in an environment that seems to favor larger shows over smaller ones. Todd emphasizes that creators should focus on building their audio content and finding their voice without being distracted by the demands of video. He believes that great content is vital to growth, even though many creators are concerned about their ability to monetize early on. Rob highlights that the primary focus for most podcasters remains growth at this stage, rather than monetization. They also examine the troubling trend of new podcasters seeking to transition to video for quick success, which complicates their journeys in podcasting. Discussion returns to the significant contributions that existing audio creators are making while struggling with the pressures of social media and audience engagement. Todd and Rob emphasize the importance of hard work in growing a podcast, as the landscape has not become simpler over the years. They discuss how AI tools can help streamline specific processes, but these solutions also come with their challenges. Towards the end of the episode, they touch on the Podcast Hall of Fame and its plans, including the inclusion of international nominations. Rob shares thoughts about increasing nominations and expanding the voting base for the Hall of Fame, emphasizing transparency in the nomination process. In conclusion, both hosts reaffirm the enduring viability of audio podcasting and encourage new creators to start with audio first, advising them to build their unique brand and content strategy. The episode wraps up as they share their social media handles and express enthusiasm for the next show, marking the end of a lively discussion on the current state and future of podcasting.The post YouTube isn’t Podcasting King first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode titled “Podcasting’s Future: Are We Losing Sight of Creators?” Todd Cochrane hosts the New Media Show solo, as Rob is not present. Todd acknowledges Rob’s potential transition away from the show and reflects on their long history together in podcasting, indicating a willingness for change. Todd discusses the current landscape of podcasting, particularly regarding the future direction of the medium amidst rising discussions about video and AI. He raises concerns that the industry might be neglecting crucial issues that affect both new and experienced creators. The episode explores topics such as the safeguarding of open RSS standards, the realities of innovation in the industry, and the importance of ensuring that the needs of podcasters, particularly content creators, are being met. As the episode progresses, Todd engages in technical discussions about HTTP Live Streaming (HLS) and shares insights from recent conversations surrounding the Pod Standards Project and its possible implications for podcasting’s open ecosystem. He emphasizes that the industry must advocate for audio creators and strike a balance between innovations and preserving the openness that defines podcasting. Through a series of listener comments, Todd addresses feedback on the show’s format, including discussions about the balance between audio and video content, as well as the perceived push for video content. He argues that audio remains a powerful medium and expresses a commitment to supporting podcasters’ independence and open RSS standards. The episode concludes with Todd inviting listeners to provide feedback on the show and consider what creators truly need in this evolving landscape. He expresses a goal to continue advocating for podcasters and assures the audience that he will strive to maintain a focus on supporting creators, not just monetization. Todd concludes by encouraging audience engagement, stating that he will return for the next episode, regardless of the changes ahead.The post Podcasting’s Future: Are We Losing Sight of Creators? first appeared on New Media Show.

In the episode titled “New Media Show – Is this the End,” hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee discuss the state of the podcasting industry, particularly in light of recent changes and trends. Todd opens the conversation with a metaphor about everything being “on fire” in the podcasting space, emphasizing a sense of urgency and concern surrounding the future of audio content creation. Rob acknowledges the anxiety in the medium and points out that change often leads to such feelings. Todd shares insights from his recent experience at the podcast show in London, where he noted a significant presence from Apple and discussions about the industry’s growth trajectory. He expresses that while concerns exist, audio podcasting still has a large audience and continues to grow globally despite the hype surrounding video content. The hosts discuss the perceptions that new creators feel pressured to produce video content, sharing anecdotal evidence that many are hesitant to embrace video due to privacy concerns or a lack of resources. Todd mentions that while video production can be costly, audio remains an accessible entry point for many creators. A significant theme of their conversation is the potential danger to the podcasting landscape if newer creators are discouraged from starting due to the overwhelming emphasis on video content. Todd stresses the importance of recognizing that audio podcasting is not going away and advocates for more support and encouragement for those who wish to start with audio. Rob adds to the discussion by stating that as podcasting becomes more professionalized, a greater number of creators gravitate towards larger shows, potentially sidelining independent podcasters. He agrees that nurturing new creators is essential for the longevity of the medium. Throughout the episode, both hosts reflect on the challenges the industry faces, including marketing hurdles for new creators and the slow pace of innovation from podcast platforms. They voice their concerns about the lack of new entrants into the space, which could lead to a narrowing of content variety and a decline in overall podcast engagement. As the conversation progresses, Todd and Rob acknowledge the media’s tendency to focus on negative narratives, suggesting there is a need for cheerleaders for audio podcasting to highlight its ongoing relevance and value. They lament the lack of trust in podcasting metrics and express frustration over how the podcasting space may be perceived as declining or “dying,” when, in reality, audio podcasting still has viability. In the latter part of the episode, they contemplate the future of the New Media Show itself, weighing whether it should continue, pivot, or evolve given the changing landscape. They invite audience feedback to determine the show’s direction and emphasize the critical importance of ensuring that new creators feel empowered to enter the space without being deterred by the increasing focus on video. The discussion wraps up with reflections on AI’s impact on media and the evolving dynamics of content creation, reaffirming their commitment to protecting the integrity of audio podcasting while remaining open to innovation and change within the medium. The episode concludes with a call for audience engagement to share thoughts on the future of the show and podcasting at large.The post New Media Show – Is this the End? first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode, “The Shift from Word-of-Mouth to Social Media in Podcasting,” hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee discuss the evolving landscape of podcast discovery, particularly how social media is becoming a primary driver rather than traditional word-of-mouth. The episode opens with Todd and Rob greeting listeners and mentioning the upcoming return to their regular afternoon schedule. Todd shares that he was unwell the previous week and talks about recent electromagnetic storms potentially affecting health, leading to discussions about how these events might influence sleep. Rob introduces the main topic, referencing research suggesting that podcast discovery is increasingly driven by social media rather than word-of-mouth. He emphasizes the importance of people discussing podcasts online, which he argues aligns closely with traditional word-of-mouth. They also reflect on YouTube’s classification as a social media platform, debating whether podcasts could similarly be considered a form of social media. Todd expresses skepticism about social media being an effective means of discovering new podcasts. He cites his limited exposure to unknown content through platforms like Facebook and his preference for actively searching for specific podcasts rather than relying on algorithms. The conversation shifts to the role of apps like TikTok and Instagram in modern podcast discovery, highlighting how podcasters utilize these platforms to reach broader audiences. Todd mentions his experiences with YouTube content, where he is served predictable recommendations based on his viewing habits, but he finds it challenging to discover podcast content through the platform. As they discuss YouTube’s effectiveness in surfacing content and the sometimes overwhelming nature of predictive algorithms, both hosts share their viewing preferences and frustrations with fast-paced content. Todd indicates that he watches survival and van life-oriented content on YouTube rather than traditional interview-based podcasts. Rob counters that more visually stimulating shows do attract larger audiences. They delve into broader issues concerning copyright challenges in content creation, particularly with images and videos in online content. Todd expresses concern over getting copyright strikes for even minor infractions, while Rob shares his experiences using videos in his productions without facing similar repercussions. Bringing the conversation back to social media, they agree that it offers new paths for engaging audiences. Rob points out that tech advancements and AI tools have significantly impacted how podcasters create and distribute content, citing their increasing reliance on audio clips for promotion. In conclusion, Todd and Rob summarize the key points discussed, including the implications of the trends they’ve identified regarding podcast discovery, social media’s evolving role, and the dynamics of content consumption across platforms. They also highlight the importance of community support among podcasters and the potential for creative collaboration to navigate the industry’s challenges. The episode wraps up with a plan to return to their normal schedule next week, followed by Todd promoting his upcoming “Mythbuster” YouTube series focused on debunking common podcasting myths.The post The Shift from Word-of-Mouth to Social Media in Podcasting #628 first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode titled “The Growing Ad Revenue in Podcasting,” hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee discuss various insights related to the podcast industry’s current state, including recent earnings reports and trends in advertising revenue. The episode begins with a casual greeting between Todd and Rob, where Todd shares that he is sleeping late due to late meetings. Rob then brings up an upcoming podcast event in Madrid that Todd has been invited to, which piques their interest. They shift the conversation to recent news that the podcast industry has surpassed the two billion dollar mark in ad revenue, with Rob clarifying that the figure is for 2024 and reflects previous years’ performance. They discuss how podcast advertising revenue compares with other forms of online advertising, noting that podcasting remains a small segment of the overall ad revenue pie. Todd expresses skepticism regarding the presented figures, citing concerns that only a small percentage of shows receive ad revenue. He notes that many new creators are coming in with clear strategies rather than as hobbyists. Rob agrees and suggests that the podcasting space is trending toward professionalism. Rob mentions a well-known podcaster, Stephen Bartlett, who turned down a significant offer due to concerns over increased ad loads. Both hosts reflect on the challenges of balancing monetization with audience experience. They explore the complexity of current advertising dynamics, including host-read versus automated ads, and discuss the fluctuating ad loads across different platforms. Todd highlights that much of the industry’s growth may stem from digital video intersecting with podcasting. The conversation then turns to the importance of data analysis in understanding podcast metrics, including drops in audience and engagement. Todd shares insights on how creators can leverage existing data to improve their shows. Rob and Todd also delve into the fast-evolving landscape of video podcasts, mentioning the challenges creators face when transitioning to video content, including time and resource constraints. They discuss how companies like Netflix explore video podcasting but recognize that not all shows fit this model, emphasizing that creators should focus on what works best for their content. The episode concludes with Todd and Rob reflecting on their podcasting journey, their experiences with equipment and production, and the technical aspects involved in creating high-quality audio and video content. They wrap up by thanking their listeners and encouraging engagement with their show’s resources.The post The Growing Ad Revenue in Podcasting first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode of the New Media Show, hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee come together to discuss various topics including growth in podcast listening among women, deep fakes, and AI assistants. The episode opens with Todd welcoming Rob back, explaining that he has been on vacation. Todd mentions a recent situation involving deep fakes, referencing a listener’s suggestion to discuss a post from the Rich Roll podcast where the host’s voice was used in a deceptive deep fake video. Todd expresses concern over the lack of responsiveness from platforms like Facebook and YouTube when such false content is reported, prompting questions about self-protection against deep fakes. Rob notes that while deep fake technology has been prominent in celebrity culture, its entry into podcasting is concerning. The discussion continues on how the rapid advancements in AI could complicate the landscape of content authenticity and individual rights. The hosts then shift focus to the significant growth of women listeners in podcasting, referencing a report that indicates women’s podcast listenership has tripled over ten years. They highlight that 45% of women in the U.S. are monthly podcast listeners, with Rob observing a noticeable increase in female creators in the industry. Todd agrees, suggesting that women might be dominating the creation of new content, but acknowledges that perception still exists regarding men holding a more significant presence. Todd expresses the idea that many listeners, including women, might still be drawn to male-hosted shows, particularly within popular genres like true crime. Rob counters that he recognizes a trend of female-led teams in the podcasting platforms and that there’s an increasing number of women creators entering the field. The conversation then circles back to deep fakes, with Rob mentioning a new U.S. bill aimed at protecting individuals’ likenesses and voices. They both agree on the complex challenges presented by unauthorized reproductions through deep fakes and the difficulties in ensuring entities are responsive when such violations occur. Next, Rob brings up emerging AI tools related to podcasting efficiency, specifically focusing on one called Podcast Prepper that claims to reduce guest preparation work significantly. However, he raises concerns about the potential for these tools to create more work rather than efficiencies, highlighting the importance of careful oversight and validation of AI outputs. Todd agrees on the necessity of validating AI-generated content, reflecting on the challenges of relying on AI for podcast summaries, which may not always accurately represent the discussions held during episodes. The hosts deliberate on how AI could effectively be integrated into the podcasting workflow while maintaining authenticity. They discuss various platforms and tools available for AI and podcasting and the potential for an all-in-one solution to emerge in the industry. As they conclude, they transition to lighter discussions about their experiences and reflections on the podcast space, including a recent controversial bug in the Descript tool affecting audio transcription. Finally, Todd and Rob wrap up the episode, sharing their plans for an upcoming trip to London and highlighting changes in entry requirements for U.S. citizens visiting the UK. They exchange contact details and invite listeners to reach out before ending the episode.The post Women in Podcasting and the Rise of Female Listeners first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode, “Podcast Movement Insights and Survey Trends,” hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee discuss Todd’s team’s experiences at the recent Podcast Movement conference, share insights from various panels, and explore trends in the podcasting industry, particularly regarding video and audio convergence. The episode begins with Todd and Rob welcoming listeners and noting their show’s successful troubleshooting of audio issues. Todd provides an overview of his team’s perspective on the Podcast Movement event, stating that it was unfavorable from an exhibitor standpoint due to poor traffic and layout. There were concerns about the attendance, with Todd mentioning his team’s estimate of only 800 to 900 attendees, while the official count was allegedly around 1,600. Rob adds that the event may need to pivot to a more networking-focused format as it no longer attracts many new podcasters. They discuss key topics from the event, including commentary on industry figures like Jared Easley and trends observed regarding attendance and participation from new creators. Rob emphasizes the ongoing convergence of audio and video in podcasting, referencing studies indicating a strong engagement of podcasts in both formats among listeners. Next, Todd mentions reports from Coleman Insights and Amplifi Media about the audio and video consumption trends, citing that a significant percentage of consumers now engage with both formats. Does the growth in video consumption represent a fundamental shift, noting that audio remains strong? The report indicates high engagement rates of Gen Z with audio and video content. They question how accurately platforms like Apple and YouTube are facilitating podcast visibility and how metrics from these platforms compare. As they discuss the challenges and opportunities for podcasters regarding video content, Todd shares his observations on Apple Podcast data, noting that we do not know if Video on Apple Podcast is being watched despite its potential. They express concern about the industry’s current focus on monetization and how it affects content creation and creator relationships. Todd and Rob dive into insights from a Podnews report, highlighting how various podcast platforms rank in terms of user satisfaction regarding discoverability, monetization, and overall usability. Rob expresses disappointment in the chaotic state of the podcast ecosystem, while Todd emphasizes that feedback from hardcore podcasters may not represent the general creator community. Throughout the episode, they touch on the problems with automated metrics and how platforms need to improve their services to better support podcasters. They also criticize the disconnect between listener engagement and platform metrics. As they wind down the discussion, they exchange ideas about advancements in AI tools for video editing and content creation, explicitly mentioning various platforms and their associated challenges. They conclude with light-hearted banter about their personal experiences, including potential social gatherings over the following week. Todd and Rob thank their listeners and confirm their commitment to bringing valuable insights into the podcasting landscape in future episodes.The post Podcast Movement Insights and Survey Trends first appeared on New Media Show.

The episode begins with hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee discussing technical issues that led to a late start, including audio problems that were eventually resolved. They welcome the audience back to the “New Media Show.” Todd shares his recent experience at Podfest Asia, discussing its growing attendance, which he estimates to be double the previous year, and mentions the evolving content landscape in the Philippines. He highlights a session featuring a provocative podcast called “Too Hot to Podcast,” which caused discomfort among conservative participants. Todd notes significant investments in the Philippine podcast market, with a new sports network that is planning to launch, suggesting a dedication to funding quality content. He also comments on the disappointing absence of Spotify and the dissatisfaction expressed by local podcasters regarding Spotify’s support. Rob pivoted the conversation to the Podcast Movement Evolutions event in Chicago. He shares that attendance seemed lower than expected, and insights from others suggest that the event does not cater well to independent podcasters due to its timing and structure. The hosts agree that many attendees appear to be industry professionals rather than creators, complicating the event’s aim to support independent voices. Transitioning topics, Rob mentions the Ambie Awards, which were held alongside Podcast Movement, emphasizing the distinction between audio as a primary medium and the broader scope of what constitutes a podcast. He shares AI-generated definitions of podcasts, highlighting views that classify them primarily as audio content while acknowledging the presence of video versions. Todd concurs that RSS feed support for video podcasts is crucial but recognizes that the broader perception may not align with this. Todd recounts a survey he conducted in which many attendees at Podfest Asia were unaware that video podcasts could exist via RSS, underscoring the need for ongoing education in the podcasting community. Rob references recent discussions in a three-part audio series by Media Roundtable that also sought to define what a podcast is today, noting that the series concludes that video will play a growing role. They discuss how many platforms overlook the potential of video in the podcasting landscape. Throughout the episode, Todd emphasizes that while the definitions of podcasts may evolve, the key idea remains that they should ideally have an RSS feed for distribution. The hosts express the sentiment that audiences, in general, are indifferent to the technical underpinnings of how podcasts are delivered, and they share anecdotes about their experiences navigating podcast distribution platforms. As the conversation progresses, they delve into the tensions introduced by platform algorithms and their impact on listener engagement. Discussions about success metrics on platforms like YouTube and the changing nature of engagement reveal a broader conversation about the podcasting ecosystem’s future. The episode wraps up with a reiteration of Todd’s practical experiences with streaming technology and a shared understanding of the complexities of the podcasting industry today. They encourage listeners to consider the importance of both audio and video in their content strategies, underscoring the need for continued discussion and innovation in podcasting. Finally, Todd and Rob thank their viewers and encourage feedback and questions via email. They confirm their commitment to resuming the show at the same time next week.The post What is a Podcast Today? first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode of the New Media Show, hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee discuss key insights from the 2025 Infinite Dial report and delve into HLS (HTTP Live Streaming) video streaming. The episode begins with Todd and Rob introducing the program, noting the late afternoon timing, and discussing the recent activity within the podcasting industry. They acknowledge that while it may not seem eventful externally, significant discussion is happening among industry insiders. The hosts then segue into a deep dive on the Infinite Dial, mentioning its history as a crucial nationwide survey about media consumption before the podcasting era. They highlight that 91% of people now own smartphones and provide statistics on the increased ownership of smart devices, with Rob commenting on the stable figures across several metrics. They explore social media usage, revealing substantial percentages of Americans are familiar with various platforms. The hosts discuss the increasing saturation of smartphone and social media usage while noting how these platforms compete for attention. They identify Facebook and Instagram as leading platforms for user awareness and engagement. Todd and Rob further analyze shifts in audio consumption. Statistics show that 79% of Americans engage in monthly online audio listening. They see a noticeable increase in the older demographic’s online audio consumption like podcasts. The conversation transitions to the differences in brand awareness versus actual usage of audio streaming services. When discussing podcasting specifically, the hosts note a slight increase in awareness, with 85% of people being aware of podcasts. They also touch on the differences between audio and video podcast consumption, emphasizing the growing video trend as a delivery format. Rob introduces the topic of HLS streaming and discusses its benefits compared to traditional video delivery methods. They explore potential growth for implementing HLS in the podcasting space and how it might enable podcasters to gain better control over their content distribution. As they conclude, Todd and Rob reflect on the challenges and costs associated with implementing HLS and maintaining video streams, including the financial implications for creators and hosts in delivering high-quality content. The episode wraps up with the hosts encouraging listeners to explore the Infinite Dial report and share their thoughts on the current landscape of podcasting and streaming media. They emphasize ongoing inquiries into competition against large platforms and the future of podcasting in both audio and video formats. Todd and Rob sign off, asserting that they will continue to provide insights into the evolving podcasting industry in future episodes. They remind listeners of their next live show and thank their audience for tuning in.The post The Infinite Dial Insights & HLS Streaming Explained first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode titled “Harnessing Superfans for Podcast Success,” hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee engage in a lively discussion covering various podcasting topics. The episode opens with Todd humorously admitting he overslept, leading to their usual banter about their long-standing podcasting journey. Rob introduces the idea of podcast superfans, referencing an article that illustrates how heavy podcast listeners, who listen for over eight hours per week, are significantly more engaged with advertised products. They mention statistics about superfans and their purchasing behavior, highlighting the effectiveness of podcast ads on these dedicated listeners. The conversation then shifts to the state of podcast advertising, with Rob noting recent drops in CPMs (cost per thousand impressions) shared by an acquaintance in the industry. Todd and Rob discuss the reliance on programmatic versus dynamically inserted ads, with Todd expressing skepticism regarding the effectiveness and transparency of current advertising methods. As they explore the concept of superfans further, Todd mentions the importance of listener engagement and how podcasters can build relationships with their audiences. The hosts reflect on how personal donations from fans can often be a better indicator of superfans than mere listenership. Rob emphasizes the need for a diversified revenue strategy for podcasters, advocating for creators to explore avenues like merchandise and direct fan contributions rather than just relying on big-name advertisers. The episode progresses into discussing the impact of AI on podcasting, with Rob highlighting a case where a guest managed to increase downloads simply by changing the publication date of an old episode, effectively marketing it as a new release. They delve into the ethics of such practices and the potential repercussions for podcast creators who use similar tactics. Todd offers insights into the challenges of maintaining a podcast’s audio quality and how technology sometimes complicates the process, referencing his recent technical issues with OBS. They acknowledge the importance of understanding audience engagement metrics and how the industry evolves with new tools and platforms. Towards the end of the episode, Todd and Rob reflect on the changing media consumption landscape, including the rise of YouTube as a primary device for audiences. They reiterate the importance of building one’s brand through direct engagement channels like websites and email newsletters while also discussing how AI and technology can further assist in understanding audience behavior and improving content strategy. The episode closes with Todd sharing thoughts on leveraging AI tools for enhancing podcast content and project management. Both hosts express optimism about the future of podcasting and the continuous need to adapt strategies in response to evolving technologies and audience expectations. They bid farewell, with Todd promising to improve technical aspects for the next broadcast.The post Harnessing Superfans for Podcast Success #622 first appeared on New Media Show.

In the episode titled “Navigating the Podcasting Landscape in 2025,” hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee discuss the evolving landscape of podcasting, particularly focusing on the challenges and opportunities for podcasters in the coming years. The episode begins with Todd mentioning some difficulties related to using OBS for streaming and recording, contrasting it with his experiences with other audio equipment like the Rodecaster and TriCaster. He seeks help from the audience regarding an issue with his Elgato Facecam Pro that isn’t being recognized by his Macbook Pro. Rob responds to Todd’s audio issues, discussing the differences in audio quality across platforms like Zoom, OBS, and the Rodecaster. They engage in a conversation about the frustrations of tech setups and audio routing challenges as they attempt to enhance their show quality. Todd expresses his interest in finding someone knowledgeable in OBS for consultation. Transitioning into the main theme, Rob poses the overarching question of whether podcasts are ready for the future, citing feedback from the community indicating a fatigue with discussions surrounding AI and video versus audio content. They explore the division within the industry regarding preferences for audio-only or video content, suggesting that many creators are resisting change while also grappling with emerging technologies. Rob highlights a news piece about a new AI tool called Audio Shake that claims to separate overlapping voices in podcasts, and they question its effectiveness, debating how overlapping conversations affect listener experiences. Todd expresses skepticism about audio quality when using such tools and their value in editing. The conversation shifts to references made in industry articles. Rob shares that some listeners are tired of the ongoing conversation around audio versus video and highlights how platforms like Pocket Casts are launching features for better web listening experiences. Todd notes that users of WordPress PowerPress see higher web listening ratios compared to those with simple landing pages. Rob mentions that listener engagement can vary and emphasizes the importance of making content easily available. They also discuss the importance of being indexed and discoverable while aligning it with audience needs, further elaborating on the mixed landscape of audio and video podcasting experiences across platforms. Throughout the episode, they discuss their own personal experiences in podcasting, technical challenges, and market dynamics. They recognize the influences of societal changes, tech advancements, and podcasting industry trends on the future of content creation, with an understanding that successful podcasting in the future will hinge on adaptability to these shifts. As they wrap up, Todd shares that the Blueberry team will be attending the upcoming Travelcon event and other podcast-related conferences, while both hosts highlight their engagement with listeners and their desire to continue serving the podcasting community. The episode concludes with an invitation for listeners to join them live for future discussions.The post Navigating the Podcasting Landscape in 2025 #621 first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode of “The New Media Show,” hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee welcome Mark Webster, the Head of Adobe Podcast. Mark expresses his excitement about being on the show and describes Adobe Podcast’s growth and features, mentioning that he joined Adobe in 2018 after his company, SaySpring, was acquired. The discussion transitions into developing the Adobe Podcast platform, emphasizing the importance of creating a user-friendly interface for new and experienced podcasters. Mark shares that Enhanced Speech, an AI-driven feature, has gained immense popularity, with many users improving their recordings. Todd and Rob delve into how Enhanced Speech enhances audio quality and how the platform simplifies the podcasting process. They touch upon text-based editing, which makes editing audio feel more intuitive for users. Mark highlights that Adobe Podcast is designed for ease of use, allowing creators to focus on content instead of getting lost in complicated editing processes. The hosts also discuss types of microphones and their relevance to the advancements made by Adobe Podcast. Mark asserts that even lower-quality microphones can still produce good audio when paired with the right software tools. While starting with high-quality audio is ideal, Adobe Podcast’s features mean that creators do not need expensive setups to achieve professional results. As the conversation evolves, Mark highlights the potential future developments of Adobe Podcast, including the integration of video recording and editing, to support creators’ growing needs. He emphasizes the importance of making podcast creation accessible and efficient. The hosts touch upon different features of Adobe Podcast, including the free and premium plans available for users. Mark explains the benefits of both plans, highlighting the unlimited recording and editing capabilities offered in the premium version for a budget-friendly price. Using Adobe Podcast’s AI-driven features, creators can enhance their audio, edit efficiently, and mix high-quality audio with video without complex software. Todd endorses Adobe Podcast, noting that it offers a streamlined experience for newcomers to podcasting. Before concluding the episode, Todd and Rob mention the exciting developments in the podcasting landscape and how tools like Adobe Podcast make a difference for creators. Mark is thanked for his participation, and he shares contact details for listeners to reach out to the Adobe Podcast team. The episode wraps up with a brief discussion about future shows and topics, including changing trends in the podcasting space and the excitement surrounding new audio and video content creation technologies.The post Adobe Podcast – Simplifying Audio Editing – with Mark Webster #620 first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode titled “Reaching for Five Billion in Podcast Advertising,” hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee engage in a detailed conversation with guest Steve Goldstein, delving into the podcast advertising industry’s challenges and goals. The episode begins with Todd and Rob introducing the show and humorously addressing technical issues with the video display. Todd then invites Rob to introduce their guest, Steve Goldstein, the founder and CEO of Amplifi Media and an experienced figure in audio ventures. Rob establishes the context by discussing how the podcast industry has stagnated at a $2 billion revenue level for several years and outlines the quest to reach a $5 billion revenue goal. Steve shares his insights from teaching a course at NYU on the business side of podcasting. He emphasizes the need for a unified rating system for podcast advertising, similar to Nielsen for television. He highlights the potential growth in podcast ad revenue, contingent on a better understanding of audience metrics and targeting brand advertisers who wish to build their brands rather than just drive sales with promotions like coupon codes. The conversation shifts to the issues of brand safety and comprehension, with Rob voicing his skepticism on whether brand safety deters advertisers from investing in podcasts. Todd concurs, suggesting that it could be more of an excuse than a substantive reason for their hesitance. Steve emphasizes that without comprehensive metrics, advertisers are unwilling to invest heavily in a broad spectrum of podcasts. As they discuss metrics, they explore how important it is for the industry to evolve from traditional measures like downloads to more nuanced engagement metrics that include audience composition and consumption habits. Both Rob and Todd express concerns that small shows struggle to gain the attention of advertisers, who tend to focus on more prominent, well-known podcasts, thereby overlooking many quality shows that could attract significant listener engagement. The episode touches on various challenges podcasters face, including maintaining a balance between moderate ad frequency and ensuring their content remains engaging. Todd argues that despite the numerous efforts to satisfy brand advertisers, the podcasting industry has often not met their expectations. Steve then reiterates his belief that podcasting is currently underreceived in ad spending, especially considering how impactful it can be in reaching younger audiences largely absent from traditional media. However, he acknowledges that the industry needs to get organized to present a coherent narrative and platform for advertisers. The discussion continues about the complexities of programmatic advertising and how it’s become an alternative for advertisers looking to simplify their buying processes. Todd and Rob express concerns about the evolving focus toward programmatic advertising, noting that many small shows are overlooked in these processes despite having listenership and engagement. As the episode winds down, Todd explains his openness to working with various advertising models but expresses frustration at the ongoing struggles of smaller shows to gain traction in the advertising ecosystem. They conclude the episode with reflections on the significance of authentic content creation while the landscape continues to shape itself around AI and other emerging technologies. The hosts provide their contact information and encourage listener engagement, highlighting their ongoing commitment to discussing relevant issues in the podcasting world. Todd grants permission for AI tools to analyze and use the podcast’s content, inviting further interaction with the audience. The episode wraps up with the promise of returning for future discussions.The post Reaching for Five Billion in Podcast Advertising #619 first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode, “Podcasting 2.0: Progress and Challenges,” hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee discuss the current state and future prospects of podcasting, particularly Podcasting 2.0, and its implications. Todd begins by sharing his recent experience with a new productivity tracking method at work. He notes that he’s been trying to gain efficiencies by assessing his activities in thirty-minute increments. Rob responds by mentioning an upcoming guest, Mark Webster, head of podcasting at Adobe, who will join them to discuss Adobe’s initiatives in podcasting. The conversation shifts towards addressing controversial topics in the podcast space, mainly revolving around Podcasting 2.0. Rob highlights the challenges and controversies related to the ongoing debate about audio versus video in podcasting, which John McDermott’s articles have sparked. Todd expresses skepticism regarding the potential shifts in terminology, such as “vodcast” for video podcasts, arguing that the term podcast does not need to be replaced and was always meant to encompass various media formats, including audio and video. They continue discussing the status and adoption of Podcasting 2.0 features, such as transcripts and funding tags. Todd emphasizes that while significant features have been adopted significantly, there are challenges, particularly regarding app developers and major platforms like Apple and Spotify. He notes that until app developers adopt these features, the full potential of Podcasting 2.0 may not be realized. Rob adds that the lack of support from significant podcast platforms hampers wider adoption. As the episode progresses, Todd and Rob reflect on the importance of actively informing podcasters about these features and the need for apps to provide listeners with value to maintain engagement. They discuss the balance of pushing these new features and the struggle for industry-wide acceptance, with both hosts acknowledging that major platforms’ behaviors and policies greatly influence the community. Todd remarks on the historical context of podcasting’s growth and the shift towards video content. They analyze how podcasting remains a niche medium despite the rising popularity of video platforms, noting that those interested in podcasting should not expect immediate monetization and should be prepared for a long journey of hard work and building an audience. Towards the end of the episode, they touch on the changing landscape of media, noting the rise of content creators from mainstream media making transitions to podcasting and other digital formats. The hosts also discuss the ongoing evolution of AI in content indexing and its potential effects on discoverability within the podcasting space. In conclusion, both Todd and Rob acknowledge the complexity of the podcasting ecosystem, reiterate the need for continuous innovation, and encourage listeners to engage actively in building their podcasting practices. The episode emphasizes the ongoing challenges and developments in the Podcasting 2.0 landscape and reinforces the hosts’ commitment to fostering growth and adaptation within this medium.The post Podcasting 2.0: Progress and Challenges #618 first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode titled “IAB Certification, CodeADX & Artificial Intelligence,” hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee start the discussion with a light banter about the live streaming process, noting the quickness in going live and the importance of engaging the audience promptly to prevent drop-offs. They transition into a deeper discussion about podcasting, specifically focusing on the IAB (Interactive Advertising Bureau) certification that Todd’s company has recently undergone. Todd highlights that they are one 11 companies that have been certified for version 2.2 of the standards and mentions those who have not completed this process. There’s an emphasis on the need for robust fraud prevention measures in podcasting analytics as Todd explains how their recent recertification has led to identifying dubious activities related to podcast download metrics that seemed inflated. One podcaster, using a PR firm to boost their numbers, faced a significant drop in their statistics after improvements were implemented to track legitimate downloads accurately. Todd discusses how some podcasts experienced rapid growth in downloads which turned out to be artificially inflated due to questionable practices of a PR firm. Rob raises a philosophically interesting question about whether stricter metrics are beneficial for the industry and how companies might not want to lower their numbers for business model reasons. They both emphasize the importance of understanding actual download statistics over inflated figures primarily driven by ad revenue motivations. The conversation then shifts toward their partnership with CodeADX, a service aimed at podcasters to help them leverage exclusive affiliate deals with vendors. Todd explains how CodeADX works, highlighting the better exclusivity deals compared to typical affiliate marketing platforms. He shares his own positive experiences integrating CodeADX into his shows, noting the gradual buildup of sales through repeated promotion. Next, Todd and Rob pivot to the topic of artificial intelligence (AI), examining its growing influence in the podcasting space. Rob expresses how AI is being utilized for various tasks, including voice cloning, audio editing, and marketing. He discusses how AI-generated videos are gaining popularity on platforms like YouTube and raises the question of what makes a video podcast different from regular YouTube videos. The hosts touch on the potential ramifications of AI in content creation, including how it could affect human podcast creators. They ponder whether AI could generate better podcasts than humans in the future, acknowledging that AI currently lacks genuine creative instincts but has the capacity to analyze and compile information efficiently. Todd shares his experience of using AI tools to help outline scripts for projects, emphasizing that while AI saves time, human oversight remains crucial for maintaining quality and authenticity. As the conversation progresses, they consider the potential market dynamics where AI content could overshadow human content, leading to deeper debates about authenticity in creation. They explore the possibility of AI intelligently creating content, driving systemic change in content production, and even hinting at the transformational potential of AI coupled with quantum computing. Finally, they contemplate whether human podcasters can survive in an age where AI plays a significant role in content creation. Todd asserts that humans will always seek authenticity and connection, suggesting that despite technological advances, the desire for genuine human interaction will be paramount. Rob wraps up discussing how AI agents could potentially help streamline content creation and enhance human capabilities, leading to a future where creators adapt and leverage these technologies intelligently. The episode concludes with an open dialogue about the future of AI in podcasting while being cautious about its implications for human content creators.The post IAB Certification, CodeADX & Artificial Intelligence #617 first appeared on New Media Show.

Local Podcasting: Should we lean in, or is it for naught? In this episode, “The Power of Local Content in Podcasting,” hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee welcome listeners and mark their six-hundred-sixteenth episode. They humorously suggest that donations of $616 be a worthy goal. They engage in light banter about their podcasting journey, donation requests, and the value they believe they bring to their audience. The discussion then shifts to the importance of audience engagement as they explore podcasting about major platforms like YouTube. Todd mentions an interesting point brought up by Rob: Google CEO Sundar Pichai highlighted podcasting during a quarterly earnings call, suggesting that YouTube is becoming a significant problem. Todd also shares insights about a new product called Katana, which enhances Zoom recordings for podcasters and video creators. Rob responds by noting a trend of platforms integrating AI tools to streamline content creators’ processes, highlighting the efficiency of these new technologies. The conversation evolves toward the evolution of podcasting tools and workflows. Todd discusses how advancements have allowed for quicker production times, benefiting independent creators who often work solo. Rob emphasizes the pressure of content creators wishing to grow audiences and monetize their efforts, reflecting on the shift toward professionalization in podcasting. The hosts also touch on the decline of local content in media, expressing concern that many creators focus on broader or national narratives rather than addressing local issues that engage communities. They discuss how regional radio stations have lost their uniqueness through syndication, leading to less community involvement. They highlight that awareness and participation in local matters tend to surge only when something negatively affects the local community. This leads to discussions on how the younger generation might lack interest in local issues compared to national or global events. As the episode progresses, Todd and Rob discuss broader industry trends, touching on issues like layoffs and the emergence of new startups within the podcasting sector. They examine the potential future of balancing audio and video podcasting. Further, they delve into advertising and monetization, debating the ethics of guests paying to be on specific podcasts. They also mention notable figures in the industry the shift towards more transparency in podcasting-related agreements, and the broader implications these changes have for content creation. Before wrapping up, Todd mentions his positive experience with GoDaddy’s promotional codes and comments on unexpected conversion growth. They conclude by discussing the potential impact of legislative changes on NPR and the podcasting community and anticipate the continued evolution of local content’s role in podcasts. Overall, the episode highlights the challenges and opportunities in podcasting, the significance of local content, and the ongoing shifts in the industry landscape. Todd and Rob sign off, encouraging listeners to stay engaged in their local communities and consider the power of localized podcasting as part of the broader media conversation.The post The Power of Local Content in Podcasting #616 first appeared on New Media Show.

In this episode hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee reconnect after attending Podfest in Orlando, where they briefly discuss the unexpected cold weather during the event and provide updates on their activities since returning home. A big disclosure by Todd reveals his experimentation with chapter files to track ad engagement more effectively, detailing how he tested this by placing chapter files related to a GoDaddy advertisement within his show, allowing him to gather listener data without needing assistance from their podcast host. They begin their discussion by highlighting upcoming guests on their shows, including someone from Adobe Podcasts, while Todd hints at a significant announcement from Apple that he can’t yet disclose due to a non-disclosure agreement (NDA). Rob shares insights about the recent Podcast Hall of Fame event, describing improvements in production compared to previous years but noting some remaining rough edges. The hosts contemplate the future of the Podcast Hall of Fame, emphasizing the need for greater international participation in nominations and voting, as well as the challenge of having a broad knowledge of international podcasters. They explore the growing interest in podcasting among businesses, with Todd reporting an increase in inquiries and interest from international organizations—a sign of a potential revenue revival. They shift their conversation to major podcasting platforms, discussing Spotify’s, including Google’s strategic play in removing Google Podcast to shift focus to YouTube. They express concern over how video content is affecting traditional audio podcasting and note a divergence in opinions regarding video in the podcast space. The hosts also share their observations from Podfest, discussing the types of vendors present, such as Adobe and Shure, and expressing a need for more creators to engage with the event. They reminisce about the mixed attendance figures and the potential for the event to grow. Toward the end, they comment on the new awards being offered by Spotify and the changing landscape of advertising in podcasting, noting the importance of emotional and engaging ads compared to bland ones. After a brief diversion into speculative discussion around TikTok’s presence and recent government scrutiny, they return to talk about the future of traditional media companies and their adaptation to the growing importance of online podcasting. They conclude the episode by inviting listeners to offer feedback and tips for future shows while discussing the potential restructuring of their YouTube channel. The episode wraps up, and the hosts encourage follow-ups and donations for the show, ending with a lighthearted banter about their next episode and thank the audience for listening.The post Client Side Tracking in Podcast Apps Live Now #615 first appeared on New Media Show.

The episode starts with Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee discussing the complexities of keeping up with technological updates and verifications. They illustrate the rapid pace of technological advancements and their impact on their daily podcasting operations, setting the tone for a conversation on how these technologies intersect with new media. 1. **Podscribe December Ranker Analysis:** The hosts discuss the details of the Podscribe December Ranker, which lists the top podcasting platforms and their performance on RSS and YouTube. – Rob shares insights about discrepancies noted in podcast plays via RSS feeds compared to YouTube, highlighting the differences in metrics and what counts as a play on each platform. – The discussion raises questions about the reliability of Podscribe’s data and what it truly represents, pointing to the need for clarity and transparency in the podcasting data metrics. 2. **Growth Trends in Podcast Consumption:** The hosts discuss notable growth trends in podcast consumption across different platforms, focusing on audio-first platforms showing significant month-over-month growth. – They also examine how video podcasts perform compared to audio podcasts, with some platforms showing higher engagement on YouTube. 3. **The Challenges of Measuring Podcast Success:** The conversation shifts to the complexities of measuring podcast success in terms of plays and downloads, exploring how these metrics differ significantly between platforms like YouTube and traditional RSS feeds. – They touch upon monetization differences, highlighting how YouTube monetizes views compared to how traditional podcast ads are integrated and measured. 4. **The Future of Podcasting:** The discussion also covers predictions for the podcasting industry, including the integration of AI in podcast production and potential trends in the next 1-2 years. – The hosts speculate on the continuing convergence of audio and video in podcasting, discussing how this hybrid model may shape the industry’s future landscape. In conclusion, Todd and Rob encapsulate a broad analysis of the current state and potential future of podcasting, emphasizing the need for more transparent data to better understand consumption patterns across different platforms. This episode sheds light on the evolving nature of podcasting as it straddles the lines between traditional audio formats and the burgeoning video podcasting scene.The post The Hybrid Podcasting Era: Merging Audio and Video #613 first appeared on New Media Show.

In this podcast episode, hosts Todd Cochrane and Rob Greenlee dive deep into the controversy surrounding the Honey Extension and its impacts on affiliate marketing. The episode unfolds with both hosts catching up and sharing brief updates about their personal and professional activities, notably referencing Todd’s impending return to the United States and Rob’s back-to-back podcast sessions. The main topic emerges when Todd introduces his longstanding issues with the Honey plugin. This browser extension by PayPal aims to help users find discounts and promotional codes while shopping online. However, Todd expresses significant frustration, explaining how his exclusive promo codes were used on Honey without linking to his affiliate rewards. He describes the situation as deceptive, claiming Honey usurps the benefits typically intended for original publishers like himself. Rob, intrigued, asks Todd how users are attracted to install Honey, pondering on the perceived benefits versus the ethical pitfalls highlighted by Todd. The conversation intensifies as Todd describes a scheme where Honey potentially and illicitly overrides affiliate links, diverting the earnings from creators to itself when users make purchases through affiliate links while activating the plugin. The hosts discuss the broader implications for all content creators who use affiliate marketing to monetize their platforms. Todd shares a historical analogy with his dealings with Commission Junction (CJ), outlining how challenges with affiliate link tracking led to significant revenue discrepancies. He advises that podcasters and creators using such systems advocate for better attribution of manual promo code entries at checkout to ensure deserved earnings aren’t withheld due to technical oversights. Throughout the discussion, Rob and Todd ponder the ethical questions surrounding companies like PayPal (owner of Honey) and their responsibilities versus the monetization struggles of independent creators. By the end of the episode, they segue slightly into the anticipated impact of video content on podcasting, a topic sparked by a piece from journalist Nick Quah discussing the evolving media landscape where video content might overshadow traditional podcast formats. The episode wraps up with the hosts reflecting on their experiences with affiliate systems, the ongoing technological evolutions in content discovery and monetization, and the broader changes in the podcasting industry. They emphasize the importance of reliable, creator-friendly platforms that support sustainable monetization strategies amidst evolving digital landscapes.The post Honey Extension Controversy: Unveiling Affiliate Scams #612 first appeared on New Media Show.