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Listeners are in for a treat as veteran host, Dr. Angela is interviewed by new co-host, Rev. Liz Testa. As Liz got to know Angela and listened to past episodes, she realized the wealth of insight sitting behind the mic that people needed to hear about. You don’t want to miss hearing Angela share how she got involved with CBE (hint, it connects with her doctoral work), what led to the creation of this podcast, and highlights of her most intriguing learnings from her guests along the way. Most importantly, hearing Angela’s vision of intersectionality as part of God’s reconciling work in the world is a true inspiration. You will leave this episode with fresh ideas for creating healthy, compassionate spaces of inclusion and equity in your context... and most likely a desire to go back and relisten to a previous episode or two! Learn more about Dr. Angela's Streams in the Wasteland mentioned in the podcast at https://www.streamsinthewasteland.org/. Bios Rev. Dr. Angela Ravin-Anderson, a native Texan, is an ordained minister with a true passion for seeing the people of God become an authentic expression of God’s love in the world. Dr. Ravin-Anderson created the Streams in the Wasteland Leadership Institute, a training program to equip and prepare transformational Christian leaders, especially women, based on their unique personalities, passions, and spiritual gifts to minister to the marginalized. She is also a facilitator for Project C.U.R.A.T.E., a faith-based initiative to bring about racial reconciliation and social justice reform within the Christian community. Dr. Ravin-Anderson is an adjunct professor at Abilene Christian University within the Bible Department teaching courses in Old and New Testament Studies, Christian Leadership, and Spiritual Formation. At Wheeler Avenue Baptist Church where she serves as part of the clergy team, she gives leadership to the Social Justice ministry and develops curriculum for adult Christian education and discipleship training programs. She holds a BA in Behavioral Science from Rice University, an MBA and MHA from the University of Houston-Clearlake, received her Master of Divinity degree, Summa Cum Laude from Houston Graduate School of Theology, and her Doctor of Ministry in the area of Pastoral and Missional Church Leadership from the same seminary. Rev. Elizabeth (Liz) Testa, raised bi-culturally in New York and Spain, is a pastor, speaker, creative visionary, and community builder who is passionate about encouraging people to embrace their gifts and usher in a vision of God’s reign as women and men of all backgrounds serve together, freely and fully. She currently serves the Reformed Church in America as the ministry executive for Women’s Transformation and Leadership and Equity-Based Hospitality. In this capacity, she helps the RCA pursue a vision for the full inclusion of women’s gifts, influence, and leadership in all areas of the church and equips faith communities to develop equitable, hospitable practices that build and strengthen the body of Christ for mission in the world. Liz is the founder and host of the Lavish Hope: Stories of Resilience and Overcoming, a podcast that engages fresh perspectives from women and people of color. Rev. Testa holds a BFA (magna cum laude) from Syracuse University, and an MDiv from the Drew Theological School, where she was the John Heston Willey awardee for excellence in Pulpit Oratory and Manner. Her first career was as a professional actress and spokesperson, and she delights at how God uses those experiences to enhance her calling in ministry. Rev. Testa is currently a doctoral student in transformational preaching at New Brunswick Theological Seminary, NJ. Learn more about Dr. Ravin-Anderson and Rev. Testa’s passions and projects: Streams in the Wasteland Project C.U.R.A.T.E. RCA Women’s Transformation and Leadership and Equity-Based Hospitality Lavish Hope Podcast Related Resources Intersectionality: The Narratives that Shaped Us with New Co-Host Rev. Liz Testa Intersectionality: Diversity as God’s Design: A Conversation with Rev. Michelle D. Williams – Part One Intersectionality: Words Matter! Freedom through Lectionary and Bible Translation with Rev. Dr. Wilda C. Gafney Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.

Host Dr. Mimi Haddad continues her conversation with Dr. Diphus Chemorion, a member of CBE’s Bible translation Old Testament team. Dr. Chemorion states that the goal of CBE’s Gender Accurate Bible translation (GAB) is accuracy related to the dignity and agency of women and men. The team has worked to elevate what has been downplayed through a clear process of deliberation, reading of needed source material, and prayer. When the team disagrees, even in heated conversations, they agree to and practice a discipline of prayer and sleep after a disagreement, and come together to land on a good decision, trusting the Holy Spirit to lead them. And, the Spirit has done just that. Dr. Chemorion says working with the GAB team is his favorite translation team he has yet to experience. An expert in Old Testament, Dr. Chemorion explored the translation process and decisions made in texts from Genesis chapters 1-3, Job 2:9, Numbers 7:4, and more. Guest Bio: Dr. Diphus Chosefu Chemorion is an ordained Minister of the Reformed Church of East Africa (RCEA). He earned his BA in Social Work from the University of Nairobi and a Bachelor of Divinity from St Paul’s University. He also holds a Master of Theology from Emory University (Candler School of Theology) and a Doctor of Theology from Stellenbosch University in South Africa. Rev. Prof. Chemorion has served as an associate professor of Old Testament and dean of faculty of theology at St. Paul’s University in Limuru, Kenya. He is also the RCEA Synod professor of theology. Dr. Chemorion has been active in CBE as a speaker and Bible translator. Resources by Dr. Chemorion: Dr. Diphus Chemorion is author of Community Participation in Scripture Version Design: An Experiment in Translating Jonah into Sabaot and Introduction to Christian Worldview: Meaning, Origins and Perspectives. Dr. Diphus Chemorion is co-editor of Contested Space: Ethnicity and Religion in Kenya Dr. Diphus Chemorion is co-author of The Quest for Gender Equity in Leadership, Published by House of Prisca and Aquila Human Dignity: Interrogating Biblical and Cultural Perspectives on the Creation Mandate in Genesis 1–3 Works Cited: Dr. Diphus Chemorion is author of Community Participation in Scripture Version Design: An Experiment in Translating Jonah into Sabaot and Introduction to Christian Worldview: Meaning, Origins and Perspectives. Dr. Diphus Chemorion is co-editor of Contested Space: Ethnicity and Religion in Kenya Dr. Diphus Chemorion is co-author of The Quest for Gender Equity in Leadership, Published by House of Prisca and Aquila Human Dignity: Interrogating Biblical and Cultural Perspectives on the Creation Mandate in Genesis 1–3

Pastor Scott Sinner might have “stumbled onto” the idea of mixed-gender ministry partnership, but now he and his colleagues at Green Valley Community Church in Placerville, California, operate out of a place of deep conviction. In this episode, Pastor Sinner and Pastor Bekah Townsend tell Layla and Rob how they live out shared leadership with an emphasis on a clear vision, a foundation of trust, and a commitment to engage one another with vulnerability and grace. Come learn from Scott and Bekah as they tell us how they “pick up the weight together!” Guest Bios: Rebekah Townsend Rebekah Townsend joined the pastor team at Green Valley Community Church in August of 2022. She preaches at weekend services and oversees their Next Gen. ministry. For the last twenty-three years, she served in a variety of ministry roles in many different places, but her passion has been the same. She is dedicated to helping people come to know Jesus. Bekah has been married to her husband Ryan for almost twenty years and they have three amazing kids. They enjoy traveling and going on adventures together as a family. Scott Sinner Actively leading and teaching in the church for over thirty-four years, Scott communicates God’s word through an interactive fun, storytelling style. He is passionate about the local church and believes that when it works right, it can change the world. Scott has been married to his wife Kellie for over thirty-four years, they have two beautiful daughters, two great son-in-laws, and one magnificent grandbaby. When not recovering from some injury, Scott enjoys playing basketball and golf. Growing up in the Bay Area has made the Sinner family avid Raider fans — proof that God has a sense of humor. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Other Resources: Together in Ministry: Women and Men in Flourishing Partnerships (Men & Women Leading Together) Creating Safe and Thriving Mixed-Gender Partnerships Created to Thrive: Cultivating Abuse-Free Communities

Host Dr. Mimi Haddad meets with Dr. Diphus Chemorion, a member of CBE’s Bible translation Old Testament team. Dr. Diphus Chemorion clearly and methodically describes the process of Bible translation primarily as communication versus theological exposition. The task of translation teams is to aim at biblical clarity in addressing their specific and intended audience. Bible readers can learn more about the translation priorities of each translation team by carefully reading and attending to the preface and footnotes in all Bibles where translation teams disclose their objectives, goals, and intended audience. Dr. Chemorion states that the goal of CBE’s Gender Accurate Bible translation (GAB) is accuracy related to the dignity and agency of women and men. The team has worked to elevate what has been downplayed through a clear process of deliberation, reading of needed source material, and prayer. When the team disagrees, even in heated conversations, they agree to and practice a discipline of prayer and sleep after a disagreement, and come together to land on a good decision, trusting the Holy Spirit to lead them. And, the Spirit has done just that. Dr. Chemorion says working with the GAB team is his favorite translation team he has yet to experience. An expert in Old Testament, Dr. Chemorion explored the translation process and decisions made in texts from Genesis 1–3, Job 2:9, Numbers 7:4, and more. Resources by Dr. Diphus Chemorion: Dr. Diphus Chemorion is author of Community Participation in Scripture Version Design: An Experiment in Translating Jonah into Sabaot and Introduction to Christian Worldview: Meaning, Origins and Perspectives. Dr. Diphus Chemorion is co-editor of Contested Space: Ethnicity and Religion in Kenya Dr. Diphus Chemorion is co-author of The Quest for Gender Equity in Leadership, Published by House of Prisca and Aquila Human Dignity: Interrogating Biblical and Cultural Perspectives on the Creation Mandate in Genesis 1–3 Works cited: God’s Word to Women, by Katharine Bushnell, MD. Other resources on or by Katharine Bushnell, MD can be found at godswordtowomen.org. More information on Katharine Bushnell Dr. Christiane Nord Books by Dr. Christiane Nord Guest: Dr. Diphus Chosefu Chemorion is an ordained Minister of the Reformed Church of East Africa (RCEA). He earned his BA in Social Work from the University of Nairobi and a Bachelor of Divinity from St Paul’s University. He also holds a Master of Theology from Emory University (Candler School of Theology) and a Doctor of Theology from Stellenbosch University in South Africa. Rev. Prof. Chemorion has served as an associate professor of Old Testament and dean of faculty of theology at St Paul’s University, Limuru- Kenya. He is also the RCEA Synod professor of theology. Dr. Chemorion has been active in CBE as a speaker and Bible translator.

In this episode, hosts Mimi and Kim discuss CBE’s partnership with Rev. Herbert Mazonde as he works to restore the church to the heart of God with women and men working in partnership and mutuality. The team experienced some technical issues throughout the episode with Rev. Herbert’s audio, but even through the barriers of technology and distance, Rev. Herbert shows just how powerfully God is moving through CBE’s partners in Africa to make a significant impact for women and men, especially regarding gender-based violence and child marriage. Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Guest Bio Herbert Mazonde is an ordained senior reverend at Harvest House International Church in Birundu, Zimbabwe. He is an experienced church planter, having planted fourteen churches since 2006. But his true passion is the establishment of healthy marriages to serve as an epicenter of human-development that can transform underpriveleged and downtrodden communities. This passion and interest has led him to counsel marriages in over eighteen countries as well as become founder and director of the Courtship and Marriage Foundation. He is married to Rev. Thando and they have one daughter and two sons. Other Resources: Learn more about CBE’s Partners in East Africa: Partnering in Africa - CBE International Listen to “A Lie Long Planted: Unearthing the Deep Roots of Gender Based Injustice” by Medad Birungi Listen to Mutuality Matters podcast interview with Deborah Asio who oversees CBE’s East Africa partnerships Listen to Mutuality Matters podcast interview with Emily Onyango to better understand the East African situation for girls and women. Listen to Terran Williams on patriarchy in South Africa: (New Voices) How Complementarianism Just Makes No Sense with Terran Williams | Mutuality Matters (podbean.com)

Building on part one, Dr. Boaz Johnson considers how women throughout the Old Testament are characterized by strength (Chayil in Hebrew). Part of women’s strength is the result of much suffering, like Job’s wife who becomes the mother of seven boys and three girls. The girls are named but not the boys. Consider the Song of Songs, the Shulamite woman was also a shepherdess who experienced much pain but also and exhibited even more strength. Consider Ruth who is considered a Proverbs 31 woman. She is also a foreign woman who had much to overcome including much pain. Consider Esther, also portrayed as a Proverbs 31 woman. She too faced unbearable circumstances, but God was faithful and evident in her strength. It is by passing through much suffering that we are made rich with insights and intimacy with God, particularly noted in the Psalms of lament. Consider Psalms 22:1 “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning?” These are the 7 last words of Jesus on the cross. Scholars note that while dying on the cross, Jesus was singing Psalm 22-23 which are songs of hope! The translation team came to the conclusion that this is not a cry of despair. It’s not a question but a statement that God will not forsake those in pain and who are suffering. Psalm 22: 9-10 was translated by the team as: “You are the one who drew me from the womb. You made me safe at my mother’s breast. Upon you I was cast from my birth. You have been my God from my mother’s womb.” In this passage, God is portrayed both as the father and also as mother. Remember, that while Christ was dying on the cross, the disciples ran away and hide behind locked doors. But the women remained with him, listening to Christ sing as he died. These words were preserved by the women as they remained vigilant with their dying Lord. Throughout the podcast, Boaz expresses his delight in hearing the voices and insights of the women scholars on CBE’s translation team. The power of their collective wisdom will definitely bring much healing to our world overall, and to the future of Bible translation teams going forward. Thanks be to God! Guest Bio: Dr. Boaz Johnson, PhD Dr. Rev. Boaz Johnson (PhD, Trinity International University and Trinity Evangelical Divinity School) is a professor of Biblical and Theological Studies at North Park University in Chicago, IL. His writing has appeared in publications such as Priscilla Papers, Mutuality, Christianity Today, and The Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society. Boaz is a member of CBE’s translation team and a sought-after speaker. As an Old Testament scholar, Boaz has served on CBE’s Bible Translation Team from the very beginning. See CBE’s website for more resources from Boaz. References Women of Strength, in Hebrew—Chayil Who is a Virtuous Woman? Correcting Caricatures: Women and Bible Translation Finding “The Proverbs 31 Woman” Psalm 22 NIV Books by Dr. Boaz Johnson The Marys of the Bible: The Original #METOO Movement Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.

In this episode, Mimi and Kim discuss CBE’s partnership with SheLearns in Uganda, East Africa, with the founder and director, Fred Sebaggala. Fred discusses the practical hardships and discrimination that women and girls face in Uganda and how the biblical message from Genesis through Galatians provides girls with the self-esteem to dream and pursue their goals. Guest Bio: Fred Sebaggala is the founder and director of SheLearns, an organization designed to empower the girls. Observing his own mother’s difficulties as she ensured the education of all her children, while she was an uneducated, single woman inspired Fred to change the situation for future girls and families. SheLearns holds seminars, works with groups of boys and girls, and partners with churches and communities to change the realities for girls regarding their education, rights, and justice. Additionally, SheLearns addresses girls’ practical barriers preventing them from education by providing reusable sanitary pads so that girls can attend school. CBE International has partnered with SheLearns and their work in Uganda for the past six years. Other Resources: Visit the website of SheLearns to gain a deeper understanding of their work: SheLearns Learn more about CBE’s Partners in East Africa: Partnering in Africa - CBE International Listen to “A Lie Long Planted: Unearthing the Deep Roots of Gender Based Injustice” by Medad Birungi Listen to Mutuality Matters podcast interview with Deborah Asio who oversees CBE’s East Africa partnerships Listen to Mutuality Matters podcast interview with Emily Onyango to better understand the East African situation for girls and women. Listen to Terran Williams on patriarchy in South Africa: (New Voices) How Complementarianism Just Makes No Sense with Terran Williams | Mutuality Matters (podbean.com) Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.

Dr. Boaz Johnson explores women Bible translators such as Pandita Ramabai (1858-1922) who, as a child, memorized thousands of Sanskrit texts. After coming to faith as a Christian, Pandita mastered the ancient languages and produced a Bible in Marathi—a very popular dialect in India. The work was completed on her compound called Mukti—meaning salvation. In all of history, there was never a translation of Scripture like Pandita’s that was entirely the work of women: from translation to printing, binding, and distribution. Pandita’s work inspired a contemporary of hers, Katharine Bushnell, MD (1855-1946). A medical doctor, missionary, and anti-trafficking activist, Bushnell encountered prostituted girls in India and elsewhere in the world. Bushnell was convinced that poor Bible translations were part of the cause since they portrayed women as inferior to men. Both women, Ramabai and Bushnell, did significant work to expose and upend the demeaning of women noted in failed Bible translations, a topic Dr. Boaz Johnson addresses throughout the podcast. Another woman mentioned was Frances E. Siewert (1881-1997). Holding academic degrees such as Litt. B., B.D., M.A., Litt. D., Siewert is credited as the visionary who initiated the Amplified Bible. Dr. Boaz Johnson expressed enormous appreciation for the team he works beside especially the women Bible translators from countries outside the US. Their scholarly expertise, coupled with their experiences as women from varied ethnicities and cultural backgrounds brings fresh perspectives to their translation decisions. One example was their decision to translate Ezer Kenegdo in Genesis 2:18 as “one who walks ahead of the other” in a posture of defense and protection. Ezer Kenegdo a phrase most often used of God’s rescue of Israel. This is also how God describes woman in Genesis 2:18: one who protects and defends the man. Dr. Boaz Johnson then connects the characteristic of women’s defensive protection noted in other biblical women like Ruth, the Proverbs 31 woman, and the wife of Job. The episode ends by considering the women who suffer, the Mary’s of Scripture who through pain and trials become wise, strong, and prophetic leaders. Guest Bio: Dr. Boaz Johnson, PhD Dr. Rev. Boaz Johnson (PhD, Trinity International University and Trinity Evangelical Divinity School) is a professor of Biblical and Theological Studies at North Park University in Chicago, Illinois. His writing has appeared in publications such as Priscilla Papers, Mutuality, Christianity Today, and The Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society. Boaz is a member of CBE’s translation team and a sought-after speaker. As an Old Testament scholar, Boaz has served on CBE’s Bible Translation Team from the very beginning. View his bio and authored CBE resources on CBE’s website. Other Related Reading and Resources Pandita Ramabai Pandita Ramabai’s Legacy: How Gender-Conscious Bible Translation Impacts Christian Ministry Pandita Ramabai, Social Reformer and Bible Translator Katharine Bushnell Workshop Highlight: “Male, Female, Slave, and Free in the Context of a Pandemic: In the Thought of Katharine Bushnell What Katharine Bushnell Still Has to Teach Us Today Ezer Kenegdo (Gen 2:18) Woman as protector and defender Genesis 2:18, NIV What to Say If Someone Says Women Are to Be Men’s Helpers Short Answers to Challenging Texts: Genesis 1–3 Books by Dr. Boaz Johnson The Mary’s of the Bible Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.

In this episode, Layla and Rob sit down with InterVarsity colleagues Brooke Pland and Maddie Cummings to get a sense of Gen. Z’s perspective on women and men partnering together in ministry. These two women offer prophetic words to the church about representation, getting rid of gender-based leadership roles, and the importance of using the right job titles. If you have Gen. Z Christians in your life or faith community, this episode is a must-listen! Bios Maddie Cummings loves Jesus and joyfully serves in campus ministry with InterVarsity at CSU Channel Islands. She loves coffee and is a barista — her go-to is an oat milk cappuccino. She holds a degree in Global Studies and is always looking for ways to immerse herself and learn from other cultures. She would say she’s a socially introverted, emotionally self-aware, and funny gal! She’s quick-witted, blunt (maybe too often…), and a Swiftie. She hopes to make the world a better place by holding space for people to engage with Jesus in the hard things of the world! Brooke Pland is a campus staff minister with InterVarsity Christian Fellowship/USA, serving within the Greek InterVarsity branch. For the last several years, she has worked with the fraternity & sorority community at her alma mater, U.C. Santa Barbara, where she studied communication, French, and journalism and from which she is an Alpha Chi Omega alumna. She is passionate about empowering women in leadership in all spheres of influence, especially in the church. Other Reading Pink Mirror: The ‘Barbie’ Movie’s Wry Reminders of Inequality Women and Men Leading Together: The Value of Shared Partnerships from a Gen. Z Perspective with Tim Bushra How to Teach Mutuality to the Next Generation Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.

Show Notes Did you know that CBE reviews books before recommending them in the CBE bookstore? Did you know CBE has created its own books and resources that are available? In this final episode with hosts Blake and Erin, CBE’s manager of learning resources and international projects comes on the podcast to tell you about her favorite books and what to be on the lookout for that will be new to the bookstore. While Erin and Blake take their final bow, we want listeners to know that the podcast and interviews with authors will be continuing as Mutuality Matters Podcast continues to bring you fresh and valuable content. Bio Elizabeth Beyer has worked at CBE since 2008 and currently serves as the manager of learning resources and international projects. She is also a writer and editor, most recently of Created to Thrive: Cultivating Abuse-Free Faith Communities. If you have a question for Liz about the bookstore or book reviews, you can reach her at [email protected]. Other Reading Women, Abuse, and the Bible: How Scripture Can Be Used to Hurt or Heal by Catherine Clark Kroeger and James R. Beck God’s Word to Women by Katharine Bushnell Created to Thrive: Cultivating Abuse-Free Faith Communities Paul through Mediterranean Eyes: Cultural Studies in 1 Corinthians by Kenneth E. Bailey Discovering Biblical Equality: Biblical, Theological, Cultural, and Practical Perspectives (3rd Edition) Paul and Gender: Reclaiming the Apostle’s Vision for Men and Women in Christ by Cynthia Long Westfall Buried Talents: Overcoming Gendered Socialization to Answer God’s Call by Susan Harris Howell Are Women Human? Astute and Witty Essays on the Role of Women in Society by Dorothy L. Sayers Nobody’s Mother: Artemis of the Ephesians in Antiquity and the New Testament by Sandra L. Glahn Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.

Referring to the Genesis passages from Part 1, Havilah addresses the challenges of using all masculine for God, noting it’s impact on women and girls by assessing Genesis 2:18: “The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” Woman is too often described as “man’s helper or assistant.” But a more faithful treatment of the text would be woman as man’s “perfect comrade.” Even more important, we tend to focus on God’s maleness, versus God as a motherly father, or God as fatherly Mother. An unfaithful and overuse of masculine language for God leaves women and girls wondering if they are, by comparison, somehow inferior. Sermons too often imply that God is more male than female with problematic outcomes. More attention is needed to focus on the feminine characteristics of God. Consider Isaiah 42:14 (citing God): “For a long time I have kept silent, I have been quiet and held myself back. But now, like a woman in childbirth, I cry out, I gasp and pant.” And, if women preached more, these texts would come up and balance the preponderance of masculine language for God. This would be affirming to women and that God is beyond gender and uses both masculine and feminine images. Havilah discussed some of her favorite passages like: Judges 4:4ff focused on Deborah. “Now Deborah, a prophet, the wife of Lappidoth, was leading Israel at that time.” CBE’s proposed translation of this verse is one you won’t want to miss! Deborah is a woman of flame! She goes on top of the mountain to signal the army to charge. She’s a leader, prophet, and a fiery woman. She an unstoppable leader. She is “high voltage!” The Deuteronomy 22 text was also discussed as it describes the rape of a woman which the translations “soften” what actually happened. It is very vital to make vivid and real the facts: calling out the fact she was raped. NIV also takes this posture, but we make it more clear throughout the text that the real issue is sexual assault. We discussed Exodus 21:10 as the text addresses a man who takes another wife again softening the experiences of the woman. But our translation brings out the power of the text to reveal with greater empathy the woman as well as the man in the text. We end with a discussion on “strength” or chayil in Hebrew in the book of Ruth. Chayil, Havilah points out, refers not only to strength but as status in the community. Boaz is described throughout the book of Ruth as a man of status or respect. And in Chapter 3, Boaz speaks to Ruth telling her she is a chayil a woman of strength. This is astonishing because as a Moabite, she was not even permitted to enter the community of Israel. They were viewed as an incestuous people. Yet Boaz calls Ruth chayil one who is outstanding in the community even as she reached out to him in the cover of night. But because she did so as a loyal daughter-in-law, who worked to protect and preserve the life of her mother-in-law (Naomi), she too deserves the status of chayil. Havilah ends her discussion with the Proverbs 31 woman as a leader a chayil. Guest Bio: Dr. Havilah Dharamraj currently serves as academic editor of CBE’s award-winning academic journal, Priscilla Papers. She is a Langham Scholar and has for years pioneered a better biblical understanding of women in Scripture. Currently Havilah heads CBE’s chapter in India. She holds a PhD in Old Testament, from the University of Durham, UK. Her research interests are Old Testament and Comparative Literature. She is faculty at the South Asia Institute for Advanced Christian Studies, India. With an interest in biblical narrative, she encourages the use of storytelling in the pulpit. She is author of various articles, commentaries, and monographs, as well as an editor of the South Asia Bible Commentary (Zondervan, 2015) and the forthcoming South Asia Study Bible. Havilah writes and speaks for CBE. She received CBE’s Lifetime Achievement award in 2019. Havilah Dharamraj’s Publications Books: Authored and co-authored Altogether Lovely: A Thematic and intertextual Reading of the song of Songs Ruth: A Pastoral and Contextual Commentary (Asia Bible Commentary A Prophet Like Moses?: A Narrative—Theological Reading of Elijah Stories Five Views of Christ in the Old Testament: Genre, Authorial Intent, and the Nature of Scripture (Counterpoints: Bible and Theology) Challenging Tradition: Innovation in Advanced Theological Education (ICETE Series) South Asia Bible Commentary: A One-Volume Commentary on the Whole Bible Havilah Dharamraj’s Articles Published by CBE International Havilah Dharamraj’s CBE YouTube Lectures: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kzDLLnVRh8 Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any

Rev. Angela Ravin-Anderson welcomes new co-host, Rev. Liz Testa, and together they reflect on intersectionality and why it’s an important aspect of what shapes them as women, believers, and leaders. Angela and Liz reflect on their faith journeys and some of the narratives within their home or early development that shaped them, as well as how they have experienced being at the intersection of race, gender, and religion and navigated through the challenges and opportunities. Their lively conversation concludes with honest sharing about how God has called them to show up in the midst of the complexities of today’s world, and how they believe God is desiring women in general, and them in particular, to show up and make a positive, lasting impact. Bios Rev. Dr. Angela Ravin-Anderson, a native Texan, is an ordained minister with a true passion for seeing the people of God become an authentic expression of God’s love in the world. Dr. Ravin-Anderson created the Streams in the Wasteland Leadership Institute, a training program to equip and prepare transformational Christian leaders, especially women, based on their unique personalities, passions, and spiritual gifts to minister to the marginalized. She is also a facilitator for Project C.U.R.A.T.E., a faith-based initiative to bring about racial reconciliation and social justice reform within the Christian community. Dr. Ravin-Anderson is an adjunct professor at Abilene Christian University within the Bible Department teaching courses in Old and New Testament Studies, Christian Leadership, and Spiritual Formation. At Wheeler Avenue Baptist Church where she serves as part of the clergy team, she gives leadership to the Social Justice ministry and develops curriculum for adult Christian education and discipleship training programs. She holds a BA in Behavioral Science from Rice University, an MBA and MHA from the University of Houston-Clearlake, received her Master of Divinity degree, Summa Cum Laude from Houston Graduate School of Theology, and her Doctor of Ministry in the area of Pastoral and Missional Church Leadership from the same seminary. Rev. Elizabeth (Liz) Testa, raised bi-culturally in New York and Spain, is a pastor, speaker, creative visionary, and community builder who is passionate about encouraging people to embrace their gifts and usher in a vision of God’s reign as women and men of all backgrounds serve together, freely and fully. She currently serves the Reformed Church in America as the ministry executive for Women’s Transformation and Leadership and Equity-Based Hospitality. In this capacity, she helps the RCA pursue a vision for the full inclusion of women’s gifts, influence, and leadership in all areas of the church and equips faith communities to develop equitable, hospitable practices that build and strengthen the body of Christ for mission in the world. Liz is the founder and host of the Lavish Hope: Stories of Resilience and Overcoming, a podcast that engages fresh perspectives from women and people of color. Rev. Testa holds a BFA (magna cum laude) from Syracuse University, and an MDiv from the Drew Theological School, where she was the John Heston Willey awardee for excellence in Pulpit Oratory and Manner. Her first career was as a professional actress and spokesperson, and she delights at how God uses those experiences to enhance her calling in ministry. Rev. Testa is currently a doctoral student in transformational preaching at New Brunswick Theological Seminary, NJ. Learn more about Dr. Ravin-Anderson and Rev. Testa’s passions and projects: Streams in the Wasteland Project C.U.R.A.T.E. RCA Women’s Transformation and Leadership and Equity-Based Hospitality Lavish Hope Podcast Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.

Show Notes Are women saved through childbearing? Blake and Erin tackle one of the stickiest passages concerning women in the New Testament with scholar, Sandra Glahn. In her forthcoming book: Nobody’s Mother, Glahn tackles this passage from 1 Timothy and the context that informs it. You can find the book in CBE’s Bookstore. Bio Sandra L. Glahn (PhD, University of Texas at Dallas) has authored or edited more than twenty books, including Vindicating the Vixens, Earl Grey with Ephesians, Sanctified Sexuality (coeditor), and Sexual Intimacy in Marriage (coauthor). This episode is about her forthcoming book from IVP Academic: Nobody’s Mother: Artemis of the Ephesians in Antiquity and the New Testament. Other Resources Artemis of the Ephesians and the Ramifications for How We Read 1 Timothy: Sandra Glahn How to Understand 1 Timothy 2? Context, Context, Context Andrew Bartlett Paul’s Concern for Ephesus: A Survey of 1 Timothy 2:8–15 Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.

In part one of “Translating the Old Testament with Dr. Havilah Dharamraj,” Havilah discusses not only her work leading CBE’s Old Testament translation team, but also their methodology, priorities, and examples of both. Significant examples cited include: Psalm 68:11, “The Lord announces the word, and the women who proclaim it are a mighty throng.” Havilah and the team propose a far more faithful translation in English as: “The Lord speaks good news, and a great multitude of women broadcast it.” She mentions women in Scripture who broadcast the good news such as Mary Magdalene, John 20:11–18. Considering the crucial issue of women’s inheritance, Havilah addresses Numbers 27:4 (correction from episode citing Num. 26:4): “Take a census of the men twenty years of age or older, as the LORD has commanded Moses.” And these were the Israelites who came out of the land of Egypt…” This passage has been the basis for women gaining inheritance rights the world over, especially today. Next, we explored Genesis chapters 1–3. Especially Genesis 2:23 and Genesis 2:24 (correction from episode citing Genesis 1:23–24) to consider whether these passages suggest woman is derivative of man and therefore lesser? Too often that is how the passage is interpreted. But the team opted not for “bone of my bone, but “my own flesh and blood.” A far better “sense” translation because it speaks directly to the highest kinship relationships in the ancient world and today as well. When Adam first meets Eve and recognizes her as his own flesh and blood, the text immediately moves to: Thus, the husband detach from his kinship relations—his parents to attach to his wife, this now is the strongest bond—new kinship relation of marriage (Genesis 2:24). Hence, this text, when interpreted well, is quite subversive and gives women protection from alignment with the husband’s clan where women are often vulnerable and without support. With power and wisdom, Havilah traces the pattern of chaos and disruption sin inaugurates into the sinless world. Sin disrupts the nature and relations of the serpent, the man and woman. The snake lost its locomotion, the man must labor to grow food, and the woman experiences pain in childbirth. Further, sin distorts/fractures not only the nature of life, but also the relationships between man and woman who no longer live in mutuality or oneness. In a sinful world, the man now rules over the woman who desires what was once their life of mutuality. Listen for more on these crucial passages. Please join us for Part 2 on October 6 as Havilah discusses the impact of better transitions on issues such as feminine language for God, sexual abuse cited in Scripture, and women of strength in Ruth. Join us next month as “Women & Words: Why Bible Translations Matter” brings better ways of interpreting the Hebrew Bible. Guest Bio: Dr. Havilah Dharamraj currently serves as academic editor of CBE’s award-winning academic journal, Priscilla Papers. She is a Langham Scholar and has for years pioneered a better biblical understanding of women in Scripture. Currently Havilah heads CBE’s chapter in India. She holds a PhD in Old Testament, from the University of Durham, UK. Her research interests are Old Testament and Comparative Literature. She is faculty at the South Asia Institute for Advanced Christian Studies, India. With an interest in biblical narrative, she encourages the use of storytelling in the pulpit. She is author of various articles, commentaries, and monographs, as well as an editor of the South Asia Bible Commentary (Zondervan, 2015) and the forthcoming South Asia Study Bible. Havilah writes and speaks for CBE. She received CBE’s Lifetime Achievement award in 2019. Havilah Dharamraj’s Publications Books: Authored and co-authored Altogether Lovely: A Thematic and intertextual Reading of the song of Songs Ruth: A Pastoral and Contextual Commentary (Asia Bible Commentary A Prophet Like Moses?: A Narrative—Theological Reading of Elijah Stories Five Views of Christ in the Old Testament: Genre, Authorial Intent, and the Nature of Scripture (Counterpoints: Bible and Theology) Challenging Tradition: Innovation in Advanced Theological Education (ICETE Series) South Asia Bible Commentary: A One-Volume Commentary on the Whole Bible Havilah Dharamraj’s Articles Published by CBE International Havilah Dharamraj’s CBE YouTube Lectures: Revisiting Eden Genesis 2 as a Description from Below of the Creation Story Reading Ruth from South Asia Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.

In this episode Mimi and Kim interview Stephanie Midthun of Courage Worldwide about their healing homes for girls rescued out of Sex Trafficking, both in the USA and in Tanzania. She discusses the root causes that make girls vulnerable to sex trafficking, as well as the healing girls experience that break the cycle of exploitation, causing a transformative ripple effect in the larger community. Trigger Warning: This episode contains details of trauma, sexual assault, rape, and abuse. Listener discretion is advised. Guest Bio Stephanie Midthun is trained in both Bible and music, serving as a music director for twenty-five years. In 2008 when Stephanie Midthun heard about the intense fight against human trafficking in her own backyard of Sacramento, she began writing music and leading concerts that benefited the fight against sex trafficking with Courage Worldwide who was opening safe houses for girls rescued out of sex trafficking in California and Kilimanjaro, Tanzania. She eventually joined Courage Worldwide’s staff, and in 2017, after raising three boys, she and her husband took over as Executive Directors of Courage Worldwide Tanzania. Since that time, the work in Tanzania has exploded from four residents and five staff at Courage House to sixty residents and children, fifty-five staff, two safe houses in the Kilimanjaro region, and a safe house in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, opening May 2023. She is now the Courage Worldwide regional director of East Africa. Contact Information Email: Stephanie Midthun at [email protected] Learn More Courage Worldwide Tanzania Other Resources Learn more about Courage Worldwide Tanzania. Read about the link between porn and sex trafficking in Porn's Complicity in Abuse by Mimi Haddad or listen to Pornography for Profit: The Link to Sex Trafficking by Sandra Morgan. Read about how to recognize and do something about human trafficking in The Selling and Buying of Souls (Part 1) and The Selling and Buying of Souls (Part 2) by Sherry Schwartz. Leveraging Mujerista and Womanist Theologies for Ministry Among Victims and Survivors of Sex Trafficking by Valerie Geer. Why Men Who Oppose Trafficking Must Fight Patriarchy by Rebecca Kotz. Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.

What does it mean to belong? How do we dismantle toxic systems and create equity in our missional spaces? Hosts Blake and Erin talk with Eeva Simard and Beth Birmingham about their practical book on organizational leadership and gender equality: Creating Cultures of Belonging: Cultivating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive. Be sure to pick up your copy at the CBE bookstore and visit The Christian Alliance for Inclusive Development to follow their work. Guest Bios: Beth Birmingham is a professor, leadership consultant, author, speaker and facilitator/steering committee member for The Christian Alliance for Inclusive Development. She’s spent twenty-five years developing leaders for and serving in global development organizations, work that has taken her to over thirty countries. Beth is a member of the Wheaton Consortium for Development, Gender, and Christianity. Beth holds a PhD in leadership and change from Antioch University, and an MBA in international economic development from Eastern University. Eeva Sallinen Simard is project director of World Relief’s SCOPE project that works in Haiti, Kenya, Malawi, and South Sudan to support health outcomes for mothers and babies. She has worked with nonprofits for ten years and is committed to excellence in management, communication, and employee wellbeing. Eeva is an advisor for the Wheaton Consortium for Development, Gender, and Christianity and a steering committee member of The Christian Alliance for Inclusive Development. Eeva holds an MS in international politics from the University of Helsinki and an MBA from John Hopkins University. Together they co-authored Creating Cultures of Belonging: Cultivating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive (IVP, 2022). Other Resources: Global Impact: Religious Gatekeeping and Egalitarian Leadership with Dr. Beth Birmingham Speakers Highlight: Beth Birmingham and Eeva Sallinen Simard Cultivating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive | Eeva Sallinen Simard and Beth Birmingham Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.

Dr. Philip B. Payne is a key member of CBE’s Bible Translation Team. He was active and instrumental from the very start! During episodes one and two, Mimi and Phil explore the important translation decisions of the New Testament team on difficult texts such as 1 Timothy 2:11–15, 3:1–12; Ephesians 5:21–33; 1 Corinthians 11:2–16; 1 Peter 2:18, and more! Phil brings in conversations from the first century and explains some of the complexities to the whole translation process as it impacts the lives of girls, women, and their communities worldwide. Guest Bio: Philip B. Payne (Ph.D. University of Cambridge) has taught New Testament in colleges like the University of Cambridge, Trinity Evangelical Theological Seminary, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, Bethel Seminary, and Fuller Theological Seminary. He is an expert on women in the Bible and Codex Vaticanus. His books include Man and Woman, One in Christ, Why Can’t Women Do That? and The Bible vs. Biblical Womanhood: How God’s Word Consistently Affirms Gender Equality. He and his wife Nancy were missionaries in Japan. Their three children and six grandchildren all love the Lord. Resources by Dr. Philip B. Payne: CBE resources by Philip B. Payne Follow @philipbpayne on Twitter! Click to visit a list of resources by Dr. Philip B. Payne. The Christian Post articles by Philip B. Payne: Can women be pastors? What I discovered during 50 years of research. Does 1 Timothy 2:12-15 prohibit women from teaching or having authority over men? Does I Corinthians say women have to cover their heads? What Ephesians 5really teaches about husband-wife submission Mutual submission in 1 Peter 3:1-7: Husband submit to wife? Is the 'order of creation' male authority Bible argument valid? Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.

Wendy Wilson, mission advisor for the Development of Women for Missio Nexus, is convinced that women and men are designed for full and equal partnership in ministry, and it shows! In this episode, Wendy challenges the church to awaken to that vision, and she provides one way to get there: safe, experiential spaces to talk about the theology and practice of mixed-gender ministry partnership. Listen and be inspired—as Wendy notes, change is happening! Guest Bio: Having served in various capacities in leadership training ministry since 1984, Wendy’s great joy is envisioning and equipping women to participate fully in living out their design in the Image of God and in the grand calling of the Great Commission. With a BBA from Texas A&M University and an MABS from Dallas Theological Seminary, Wendy has led inter-mission and inter-confessional mentoring and equipping efforts for 30+ years, having lived and traveled abroad for many of those years. After serving for twenty-eight years with a pastoral training mission, with a focus on engaging women with shepherding gifts, she has served since 2012 as the mission advisor for Development of Women to the Missio Nexus network of mission agencies, and as the founder and executive director of the collaborative Women’s Development Track. More info on Missio Nexus and Wendy’s ministry: Missio Nexus Women's Development Track Other Resources: CBE eLearning Course: Beyond Bias: Aligning towards God’s Vision for Women and Men in Bible Translation The Ministry of Women in the New Testament: Reclaiming the Biblical Vision for Church Leadership How to Teach Mutuality to the Next Generation Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.

What are the messages the church sends to girls and women about modesty, sex, emotions, and self, producing as they grow up? Blake and Erin talk with Sheila Gregoire about her book: She Deserves Better: Raising Girls to Resist Toxic Teachings on Sex, Self, And Speaking Up. This discussion unpacks the damage being done and how we combat it to raise women and girls and our churches to love Jesus without the toxic culture that is breaking them down. Bio Sheila Wray Gregoire is the face behind BareMarriage.com, and a sought-after speaker, podcast host, and author. Sheila is passionate about changing the evangelical conversation about sex and marriage to line up with kingdom principles. She lives in Ontario, Canada, with her husband. They have two adult daughters and two grandbabies. She is an award-winning author of nine books, including The Great Sex Rescue and She Deserves Better: Raising Girls to Resist Toxic Teachings on Sex, Self, And Speaking Up. Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Other Reading The Good News About Sex After Marriage: You Can Still Say “No” What I Wish the Church Had Told My Husband and Me About Sex and Consent We Need to Talk to Our Kids About Sexism at School: 4 Talking Points for Parents

Dr. Philip B. Payne is a key member of CBE’s Bible Translation Team. He was active and instrumental from the very start! During episodes one and two, Mimi and Phil explore the important translation decisions of the New Testament team on difficult texts such as 1 Timothy 2:11–15, 3:1–12; Ephesians 5:21–33; 1 Corinthians 11:2–16; 1 Peter 2:18, and more! Phil brings in conversations from the first century and explains some of the complexities to the whole translation process as it impacts the lives of girls, women, and their communities worldwide. Guest bio: Philip B. Payne (Ph.D. University of Cambridge) has taught New Testament in colleges like the University of Cambridge, Trinity Evangelical Theological Seminary, Gordon- Conwell Theological Seminary, Bethel Seminary, and Fuller Theological Seminary. He is an expert on women in the Bible and Codex Vaticanus. His books include Man and Woman, One in Christ, Why Can’t Women Do That? and The Bible vs. Biblical Womanhood: How God’s Word Consistently Affirms Gender Equality. He and his wife Nancy were missionaries in Japan. Their three children and six grandchildren all love the Lord. Resources by Dr. Philip B. Payne: CBE resources by Philip B. Payne Follow @philipbpayne on Twitter! Click to visit a list of resources by Dr. Philip B. Payne. The Christian Post articles by Philip B. Payne: Can women be pastors? What I discovered during 50 years of research. Does 1 Timothy 2:12-15 prohibit women from teaching or having authority over men? Does I Corinthians say women have to cover their heads? What Ephesians 5really teaches about husband-wife submission Mutual submission in 1 Peter 3:1-7: Husband submit to wife? Is the 'order of creation' male authority Bible argument valid? Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.

Show Notes Both complementarians and egalitarians have cited the doctrine of the imago Dei in the early chapters of Genesis as a cornerstone for their theology on women and men. Blake and Erin talk with Dr. Lucy Peppiatt about her book: The Imago Dei: Humanity Made in the Image of God. In this discussion, Dr. Peppiatt skillfully breaks down complex theological arguments often weaponized against women, such as the eternal subordination of Christ and 1 Corinthians 11:7–9. Be sure to pick up the book (and others by Peppiatt) at the CBE bookstore and visit her college’s website for free resources that link to the podcast discussion and her books: https://wtctheology.org.uk/lucy-peppiatt/ Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio Author and instructor, Dr. Lucy Peppiatt has been Principal of WTC (Westminster Theological Centre) since 2013. She teaches courses in Christian doctrine and spiritual formation. She holds bachelor’s degrees in both English and Theology. She completed her MA in systematic theology at King’s College, London, and her PhD through the University of Otago, Dunedin, New Zealand. Lucy’s research interests are Christ and the Spirit, charismatic theology, theological anthropology, discipleship, 1 Corinthians, and women in the Bible. Lucy is part of Crossnet Anglican Church in Bristol. She is married to Nick Crawley, and they have four sons and four daughters-in-law. She is the author of several books such as Rediscovering Scripture's Vision for Women: Fresh Perspectives on Disputed Texts, Women and Worship at Corinth, Unveiling Paul’s Women: Making Sense of 1 Corinthians 11:2–16, and The Imago Dei: Humanity Made in the Image of God.

Show Notes Have you ever wondered why there are so many different Bible translations? And which Bible translation is the “best” translation to use? On this episode of Mutuality Matters, Dr. Mimi Haddad and Dr. Jeffrey Miller answer these questions and discuss the two major theories of Bible translation: formal equivalence (word-for-word) and functional equivalence (phrase-for-phrase). Jeff also gives some fascinating insights into which theory they used and when in CBE’s Bible translation project! Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio Jeff Miller is editor of CBE’s academic journal, Priscilla Papers. He holds bachelor’s degrees in pastoral ministry and church music, an MDiv, and a PhD in biblical interpretation. Since 1999 he has taught biblical studies at Milligan University in eastern Tennessee. He is a member of the Evangelical Theological Society and has published articles in journals such as The Bible Translator, Leaven, Restoration Quarterly, and Stone-Campbell Journal and CBE’s Mutuality. He and his wife Dana have two adult daughters and five grandchildren. For a list of resources by Jeff, visit CBE’s website here. Resources Cited Journals Priscilla Papers The Bible Translator Books: God’s Word to Women, by Katharine Bushnell New Testament for Everyone: Complete Eighteen-Volume Set, by N.T. Wright Bible Translations cited during the Show: The King James Bible The Wycliffe Bible The Tyndale Bible Common English Bible: (CEB) Contemporary English Version (CEV) The NET Bible (NET) New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) The New International Bible (NIV) The New American Standard Bible (NASB) Bible Passages Cited Matthew 4:17: “From that time on Jesus began to preach, ‘Repent, for the kingdom of heaven has come near.’” CEB Proverbs 31:23: “Her husband is known in the gates, When he sits among the elders of the land.” NASB Proverbs 31:31: “Give her the product of her hands, And let her works praise her in the gates.” NASB Luke 13:18-21: “So He was saying, “What is the kingdom of God like, and to what shall I compare it? It is like a mustard seed, which a man took and threw into his own garden; and it grew and became a tree, and the birds of the sky nested in its branches.” And again He said, “To what shall I compare the kingdom of God? It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three sata of flour until it was all leavened.” CEB Other Resources E-learning Courses: Beyond Bias: Aligning Toward God’s Vision for Women and Men in Bible Translation Videos Gender Language in Bible Translation: From KJV to NIV Video: Gender-Accurate Bible Translation Panel Mutuality Matters Podcast Intersectionality: Words Matter! Freedom through Lectionary and Bible Translation with Rev. Dr. Wilda C. Gafney Mutuality Magazine “Presumption and Bias in Bible Translation” “Gender Accuracy in Bible Translation” “The New NIV 2011” Mutuality Blog: Correcting Caricatures: Women and Bible Translation Resources on Formal vs. Functional Equivalence: “What Are the Major Theories of Bible Translation?”

Show Notes In this episode, Mimi and Kim interview Brad Twedt of International Justice Mission (IJM). Brad explains IJM’s work to address violence against women and children in the machismo culture of Central and South America. IJM works with the police departments, prosecutors, departments of justice, and local community anti-violence advocates to change the culture of violence against women. As they face powerful forces, they find that reliance on God in praise, supplication, and lament gives them the strength in their work. Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio Brad Twedt serves as executive vice president, global people support, at International Justice Mission (IJM). IJM is a nonprofit organization dedicated to protecting people in poverty from slavery and other forms of violence. A lawyer by training, Brad started his service at IJM as a volunteer Legal Fellow in Kampala, Uganda, and Guatemala City, Guatemala. He then stepped into over a decade of leadership in IJM’s Latin America region. He led IJM’s program aimed at violence against women and children in Central America as Guatemala country director and as Northern Triangle regional vice president. Brad and his wife, ReJean, returned to the US in 2022 after residing in Guatemala City for nearly eleven years. Brad received his JD from the Columbia University School of Law and joined IJM after a legal career in both New York City and Chicago. Contact Information IJM Website: https://www.ijm.org/our-work Brad Twedt: [email protected] Resources Books Referenced in Interview by Gary Haugen: Good News About Injustice: A Witness of Courage in a Hurting World The Locust Effect: Why the End of Poverty Requires the End of Violence Book Review: Is There Any Good News About Injustice? By Victoria Peterson-Hilleque Mutuality Matters podcast referenced in Closing: (Intersectionality) Hope & Justice-Dismantling and Reconciling through the Psalms with Dr. Gabby Cudjoe-Wilkes Books by and about Katherine Bushnell referenced in closing: God’s Word to Women by Katharine Bushnell Daughters of Deliverance by Lorry Lutz The Queen’s Daughters by Lorry Lutz Read about the link between poverty and violence against women: Why Does Injustice Against Women Abound?

Show Notes Why is history critical for how we understand theology? Author, professor, and historian Dr. Beth Allison Barr discusses her two new, forthcoming projects with Erin and Blake. Listeners get a front-row sneak peek into why the rise of the “pastor's wife” role affected women’s ordination and why medieval history needs to be rediscovered by Protestants for the sake of women and men in our churches. Bio Beth Allison Barr is the James Vardaman Professor of History at Baylor University. She earned her PhD in Medieval History from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and is the bestselling author of The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth. She is also a pastor’s wife and mom of two great kids. She is currently working on two new publications: Becoming the Pastor’s Wife: The History of How Marriage (Not Ordination) Became Women’s Pathway to Ministry and Losing Our Medieval Religion: The Cost of Forgetting History for White Evangelical Christians. Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Other Reading The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth A Medieval Makeover: Women’s Roles Before and After the Reformation The Pastoral Care of Women in Late Medieval England (Gender in the Middle Ages)

Show Notes On this episode of Mutuality Matters, Dr. Mimi Haddad introduces the newest podcast thread, “Women and Words: Why Bible Translation Matters” with guest, Dr. Jeffrey Miller. Jeff gives listeners a window into the world of Bible translation and interpretation, and shares about CBE’s gender-accurate Bible translation team, their struggles, successes, and surprises. Learn about how you can support CBE’s Bible translation team here. Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio Jeff Miller is editor of CBE’s academic journal, Priscilla Papers. He holds bachelor’s degrees in pastoral ministry and church music, an MDiv, and a PhD in biblical interpretation. Since 1999 he has taught biblical studies at Milligan University in eastern Tennessee. He is a member of the Evangelical Theological Society and has published articles in journals such as The Bible Translator, Leaven, Restoration Quarterly, and Stone-Campbell Journal and CBE’s Mutuality. He and his wife Dana have two adult daughters and two grandchildren. For a list of resources by Jeff, visit CBE’s website here. Resources Cited Journals Priscilla Papers The Bible Translator Books: God’s Word to Women, by Katharine Bushnell Bible Translations cited during the Show: Common English Bible: (CEB) Contemporary English Version (CEV) The NET Bible (NET) New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) Bible Passages Cited Genesis 2:18: The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable (ezer knegdo) for him.” NIV Mark 5:25: And a woman was there who had been subject to bleeding for twelve years. NIV Hebrews 11:11: And by faith even Sarah, who was past childbearing age, was enabled to bear children because she considered him faithful who had made the promise. NIV Colossians 4:1: “Masters, provide your slaves with what is right and fair, because you know that you also have a Master in heaven.” NIV 1 Timothy 2: 11-15: A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety. NIV Isaiah 3:12: Youths oppress my people, women rule over them. My people, your guides lead you astray; they turn you from the path. NIV Ephesians 5:33: “However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.” NIV Other Resources Video: Gender-Accurate Bible Translation Panel Beyond Bias: Aligning towards God’s Vision for Women and Men in Bible Translation Intersectionality: Words Matter! Freedom through Lectionary and Bible Translation with Rev. Dr. Wilda C. Gafney

Show Notes This month, Layla and Rob are joined by married co-pastors (and co-parents!) Rici and Phil Skei. Two themes emerged from the conversation. First, Rici shares her testimony of God speaking to her (while driving on the freeway!) about there being no limits on her ministry leadership. Second, the Skeis paint a compelling picture of joyful role flexibility, both in ministry and in the home. Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio Phil and Rici Skei are both natives of Fresno, California. They serve as co-pastors of On Ramps Covenant Church in their downtown Fresno neighborhood. In addition to pastoring alongside Rici, Phil works as the assistant director of planning and development for the City of Fresno where he oversees the development of affordable housing and homeless response. Phil received his bachelor of science degree from CSU Fresno, and his Master of Divinity degree from the Fresno Pacific Biblical Seminary (Fresno, California). Rici holds a bachelor's degree in psychology and master's degree in education – both from Fresno Pacific University, as well as a master's degree in Christian Formation from North Park Theological Seminary. They are both ordained ministers with the Evangelical Covenant Church and are contributing authors to Out of Nazareth: Christ-Centered Civic Transformation in Unlikely Places. Additionally, Rici published, Let the People Worship, a 40-Day Devotional which is being used throughout the Country as a way to develop and invest in both English-speaking and Spanish-speaking worship leaders and praise teams. Rici and Phil have been married since 2001 and are the proud parents of two beautiful daughters. Listeners can reach Phil and Rici Skei at: Phil-Rici Skei on Facebook @philskei on Twitter @riciskei, @teamskei and @onrampschurch on Instagram Other Resources: My Ordination Story: A Calling Affirmed Building Confidence in Your Calling: Overcoming the Inner Critic No More Doubt: How I Finally Embraced My Ministry Calling

Show Notes How would a marriage partnership shift when one person contracts a chronic illness? How should we address complementarian standards of gender roles in the home when considering the limits of our spouses? In the Spring 2023 issue of Mutuality Magazine, grief counselor and professor, Kailey Bradley writes about these topics and then joins Erin and Blake for a conversation about Ableism, gender roles, and the interdependency of the gospel. Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio Kailey earned her bachelor of arts from Mount Vernon Nazarene University in 2012 and finished her master's in clinical mental health counseling at Ashland Theological Seminary in 2015. Kailey has a background in hospice work and feels that companioning and advocating for grievers is her life’s passion. She is a counselor at Refuge Counseling and specializes in working with individuals of all ages, with special interest and care given to children’s bereavement, complicated grief, perinatal loss, and chronic illness. Kailey has completed training at the center for loss and life transition and is a licensed clinical thanatologist. Kailey is also an adjunct professor at Ashland Theological Seminary where she teaches grief and crisis counseling courses. She recently contributed an article to the Spring 2023 Issue of Mutuality Magazine titled, “Caregiving & Gender Equity in Interabled Relationships.” You can contact Kailey in the following ways: [email protected] allrefuge.com Related Resources Caregiving and Gender Equity in Interabled Relationships In Sickness, Never Health: A Mutual Marriage Persevering with the Woman Who Bled for Twelve Years

Show Notes In this episode, Mimi and Kim continue their conversation with Dr. Vandana Kant. Inspired by the example of Jesus as shepherd, she and her team creatively seek out the sick, hurting, and shunned women to provide transformative love, care, and value. After years of work that began in the 1990s with Dr. Aletta Bell, they are now beginning to see significant changes in the surrounding community. Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio: Dr. Vandana Kant, in addition to her medical degree, has a master’s in public health (MPH). For the past fifteen years she has been the project director for community health and development projects in North India. Contact Information Email: [email protected] Learn More A video about Dr. Vandana Kant https://youtu.be/DqxNg9Cd3Aw Emmanuel Hospital Association: https://eha-health.org/ Duncan Hospital: https://duncanhospital-eha.org/ India’s Invisible Girl Project: https://invisiblegirlproject.org/ Other Resources: Part One: Global Impact: Women’s Health and Status in North India with Dr. Vandana Kant Helping Christians Set Trends for Oppressed Women in India: Ellen Alexander and Beulah Wood Woman in India: Her Choices, Struggles, and Destinations: Finny Philip

Show Notes In this episode, Mimi and Kim interview Dr. Vandana Kant who describes the health outcomes of cultures that favor males. Inspired by the example of Jesus as shepherd, she and her team creatively seek out the sick, hurting, and shunned women to provide transformative love, care, and value. After years of work that began in the 1990s with Dr. Aletta Bell, they are now beginning to see significant changes in the surrounding community for girls and women. Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio Dr. Vandana Kant, in addition to her medical degree, has a master’s in public health (MPH). For the past fifteen years she has been the project director for community health and development projects in North India. Contact Information Email: [email protected] Learn More A video about Dr. Vandana Kant https://youtu.be/DqxNg9Cd3Aw Emmanuel Hospital Association: https://eha-health.org/ Duncan Hospital: https://duncanhospital-eha.org/ India’s Invisible Girl Project: https://invisiblegirlproject.org/ Other Resources Read about the condition for women in India by Beulah Wood in A Theology of the Generations Listen to Helping Christians Set Trends for Oppressed Women in India: Ellen Alexander and Beulah Wood Listen to our Mutuality Matters Podcast Interview with Dr Bell - Founder of Raxaul Community Health & Development Project

Show Notes: Enjoying the podcast? Take our survey and help shape the future of Mutuality Matters! Go to cbe.today/podsurvey. This month, Rev. Elaine May joins Layla and Rob to share a hopeful vision for shared leadership in the context of God’s mission. Along the way, she shares a compelling list of practical tips, including emotional health and self-leadership, “gospel humility,” creating leadership pipelines that develop women into leaders, and intentionally modeling fruitful partnerships for the next generation. Bio: Rev. Elaine May is a ministry consultant with the Christian Reformed Church in North America. Elaine's consultation work focuses on the development of leaders who partner with God in his redemptive mission. She is graduating from Fuller Theological Seminary with her Doctor of Ministry in Lifelong Leadership Development this Spring. Elaine and her husband Greg have four emerging adults. The family's home base is in Grand Rapids, Michigan. To connect with Elaine, go to crcna.org/womensleadership. On Facebook: Elaine Van Til May Other Resources: The Experiences of Women in Church and Denominational Leadership Audio: Creating a Paradigm Shift in Denominational Practice 5 Definitive Signs A Church Is Invested In Women

Show Notes When considering the call of Christ on every believer's life, Rev. Stephanie Wilkins condenses it down simply to showing up to love God and others well. She and Angela explore how an ethos rooted in Christ’s love for us propels Rev. Stephanie as an activist and an educator to show up in a broken world and bring forth positive change. Going into the public sphere as a “first responder” of moral agency follows the path of Jesus to go where the needs are greatest. Doing what Jesus did, this practical theologian will inspire you to show up to love. Enjoying the podcast? Take our survey and help shape the future of Mutuality Matters! Go to cbe.today/podsurvey. Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio Rev. Wilkins transitioned from educating children to a second career working to serve God through ministry when she answered her call in 2013. She graduated from Southern Methodist University Perkins School of Theology in 2018 with a Master of Arts in Ministry. She was ordained as a United Methodist Deacon in 2021. She is currently working on her Doctorate in Ministry at United Theological Seminary in Dayton, Ohio. Rev. Stephanie works in the area of Social Justice and Community Engagement. She is one of the Associate Pastors of St. John’s Downtown. She has been involved in organizing the Poor People’s Campaign, Black Voters Matter, Pure Justice (a criminal justice reform advocacy group), and the Houston Society for Change. Rev. Wilkins sees her call as one that follows the example of Christ. “Jesus was what I would call a “first responder;” Jesus went where the trouble was, and that is what I am called to do.” She believes in the scripture found in Matthew 25 which reads, “Whatever you did to the least of these my brothers and sisters, you did it to me.” To be on the side of the oppressed and to work to alleviate suffering is her call and she strives to answer it daily. Other Reading Educator and Visionary: A Profile of Mary McLeod Bethune Righteous Love: Making Space for Love Among Black Women Great Love: Reflections on Jesus’s Inclusion of the Unnamed Woman Means of Contacting [email protected]

Show Notes What does purity culture have to do with toxic masculinity? Author Zachary Wagner talks about his forthcoming book with Erin and Blake, Non-Toxic Masculinity: Recovering Healthy Male Sexuality. They discuss how both women and men are dehumanized by purity culture and toxic masculinity, and how Jesus and the gospel restores them both. Enjoying the podcast? Take our survey and help shape the future of Mutuality Matters! Go to cbe.today/podsurvey. Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio Zachary Wagner is editorial director for the Center for Pastor Theologians. He is currently pursuing a PhD in New Testament at the University of Oxford. He lives in Oxford, England, with his wife and three children. He is the author of a new book coming out in April 2023 titled, Non-Toxic Masculinity: Recovering Healthy Male Sexuality. Related Resources My Kingdom for a World of Such Men: 3 Hallmarks of Healthy Masculinity The Tears of Men: The Emotional Masculinity of Jesus and Saint Francis Jesus’ Vision for Masculinity: The (Actual) Best A Man Can Get

Show Notes In this episode, hosts Mimi and Kim continue their discussion with Dr. Beth Birmingham who explores egalitarian leadership in Christian humanitarian organizations. Birmingham gives clear insight into the day-to-day operations of Christian NGOs and reveals that their attempts at cultural sensitivity can lead to ignoring harmful patriarchal norms and gatekeeping women from leadership. Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio Dr. Beth Birmingham is an author, speaker, and chief facilitator for The Christian Alliance for Inclusive Development. As a previous full-time professor at Eastern University, she’s spent 25 years developing leaders for and serving in global development organizations, work that has taken her to over 30 countries. She is the co-author of Creating Cultures of Belonging: Cultivating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive (IVP, 2022) and past publications on NGO Partnerships, including Shared Strength (Compassion Press, 2010). Beth is a member of the Wheaton Consortium for Development, Gender, and Christianity. Beth holds a PhD in Leadership and Change from Antioch University, and an MBA in International Economic Development from Eastern University. Contact Information https://www.linkedin.com/in/bethbirmingham Email: [email protected] Learn More about Dr. Birmingham https://www.cbeinternational.org/person/beth-birmingham/ https://www.eastern.edu/beth-birmingham https://www.ivpress.com/beth-birmingham https://www.tearfundusa.org/beth_birmingham Resources Read Dr. Beth Birmingham’s book, Creating Cultures of Belonging: Cultivating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive. Read a preview to Beth’s CBE International 2022 Conference Presentation, Speaker Highlight: Beth Birmingham and Eeva Sallinen Simard. Watch Beth’s CBE International 2022 Conference Presentation, Video: Creating Cultures of Belonging: Creating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive. Listen to our Mutuality Matters Podcast Interview with Ron and Arbutus Sider.

Show Notes This month Layla and Rob chat with Amy and Mac Smith, married campus ministers. The Smiths help us think through the nitty gritty details of partnership in ministry and in marriage. How do they make it work? They’re super intentional! Listeners will be inspired (and challenged!) by their example of abundant communication, working through power differentials, being purposeful with modeling, taking gifting seriously, and even resolving conflict publicly! Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio Amy and Mac Smith have been on staff with InterVarsity Christian Fellowship for twenty-five years. Amy is a regional ministry director for InterVarsity in the Rocky Mountain Region and Mac is a senior area ministry director for InterVarsity in Northern Utah. Amy and Mac spent nine years leading ministry in Reno, Nevada, where they built one of the largest InterVarsity chapters in the country and saw hundreds of students come to faith and developed many students into lifelong Christian leaders. In 2007 they moved to Utah where at the time there was just a handful of students on two campuses and now fifteen years later there are over 400 students involved with InterVarsity from every campus in the state of Utah. Amy and Mac live in Ogden, Utah, with their two boys—Gabe, 17, and Hudson, 14. If listeners would like to connect… Mac’s email: [email protected] Amy’s email: [email protected] Related Resources Strategies for an Equal Marriage in the Midst of Unequal Career Demands Women and Men Leading Together: Living as the Beloved Community with Drs. Quentin and Cindy Kinnison Leading Together: Lessons from Sharing Leadership in Ministry and Marriage

Show Notes If you say that you follow Jesus, then your life should reflect the teachings of Jesus. Angela and Dr. Susan K. Williams Smith discuss how the teachings of Jesus stood diametrically opposed to doctrines that support empire-building and oppressive power structures. Instead, we are called to love each other and to tend to the least of these within our society. The call to be a Christian is a call to a radical lifestyle that is not always popular but does usher in the reign of Christ on earth. Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio Dr. Susan K. Williams Smith is an ordained minister, musician, writer, and activist living in Columbus, Ohio. She has written for the Washington Post and Huffington Post, as well as on her blog, Candid Observations. She currently serves as one of the tri-chairs for the Ohio Poor People’s Campaign: A National Call for Moral Revival. She also serves as national scribe for the African American Ministers’ Leadership Council (AAMLC), communications consultant for the Samuel DeWitt Proctor Conference, and is the founder of Crazy Faith Ministries. She is a graduate of Occidental College and Yale Divinity School and earned a DMin from United Theological Seminary. Her previous book, Crazy Faith: Ordinary People, Extraordinary Lives, was published by Judson Press. Means of Contacting [email protected] crazyfaithministries.org https://www.facebook.com/CandidObserver Twitter: @cassady2euca [email protected] Related Reading: Womanist Liberation for All We Are Our Foremothers’ Wildest Dream Women in Scripture and Mission: Sojourner Truth Audio: Recovering History: Antebellum Evangelical Feminist Voices in the Condemnation of Slavery

Show Notes Did women hold positions of authority in the early church? Dr. Nijay Gupta talks with hosts Erin and Blake about his forthcoming book, Tell Her Story: How Women Led, Taught, and Ministered in the Early Church. Be sure to pick up Dr. Gupta’s book on March 14 and visit his blog, Crux Sola, https://www.patheos.com/blogs/cruxsola/ or follow him on Twitter @NijayKGupta or listen to his podcast: Slow Theology. Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio Nijay K. Gupta (PhD, New Testament, University of Durham) is a professor of New Testament at Northern Seminary. Previously, he was a professor of New Testament at Portland Seminary, where he also oversaw the master's thesis program and advised doctoral students. He is the author of the book Tell Her Story, Worship That Makes Sense to Paul, and Prepare, Succeed, Advance: A Guidebook for Getting a PhD in Biblical Studies and Beyond along with Bible commentaries and over a dozen academic articles in theological journals. Related Resources Teach Us, Mary: The Authority of Women Teachers in the Church in Light of the Magnificat (Luke 1:46–55) Why Deborah Makes All the Difference Tell Her Story: How Women Led, Taught, and Ministered in the Early Church

Show Notes In this episode, hosts Mimi and Kim interview Dr. Beth Birmingham who explores egalitarian leadership in Christian humanitarian organizations, discussing how their cultural, theological, and organizational perspectives often determine their commitment to egalitarian leadership. Birmingham combines a straight-forward analysis with personal faith and on-the-ground mentoring of women and men to provide a powerful lens into human flourishing in the nonprofit world. Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests and do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio Dr. Beth Birmingham is an author, speaker, and chief facilitator for The Christian Alliance for Inclusive Development. As a previous full-time professor at Eastern University, she’s spent 25 years developing leaders for and serving in global development organizations, work that has taken her to over 30 countries. She is the co-author of Creating Cultures of Belonging: Cultivating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive (IVP, 2022) and past publications on NGO Partnerships, including Shared Strength (Compassion Press, 2010). Beth is a member of the Wheaton Consortium for Development, Gender, and Christianity. Beth holds a PhD in Leadership and Change from Antioch University, and an MBA in International Economic Development from Eastern University. Contact Information https://www.linkedin.com/in/bethbirmingham Email: [email protected] Learn More about Dr. Birmingham https://www.cbeinternational.org/person/beth-birmingham/ https://www.eastern.edu/beth-birmingham https://www.ivpress.com/beth-birmingham https://www.tearfundusa.org/beth_birmingham Resources Read Dr. Beth Birmingham’s book, Creating Cultures of Belonging: Cultivating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive. Read a preview to Beth’s CBE International 2022 Conference Presentation, Speaker Highlight: Beth Birmingham and Eeva Sallinen Simard. Watch Beth’s CBE International 2022 Conference Presentation, Video: Creating Cultures of Belonging: Creating Organizations Where Women and Men Thrive. Listen to our Mutuality Matters Podcast Interview with Ron and Arbutus Sider.

Show Notes In this episode, Layla and Rob sit down with Rev. Dr. Erin Moniz and Father Matthew Aughtry to learn about their unique ministry partnership. During the week, Matthew works for Erin, but on the weekend the reverse is true! You’ll enjoy hearing Erin and Matthew talk about how a deep and vital friendship, an open-handed view of power, and a healthy dose of communication make their partnership thrive. Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio Filmmaker, priest, and chaplain. Before helping plant All Saints, Fr. Matthew Aughtry served the ACNA at Christ Church Waco and ACNA/C4SO at Resurrection Los Angeles. He works for Baylor University as a chaplain overseeing ministry to artists and working to foster a deeper imagination for God’s kingdom through various artistic mediums. He is also a Brehm Scholar in theology and film at Fuller Theological Seminary. He is married to Kathryn and they have two children, Ethan and Lucy Mae. On some weekends they can be found exploring Texas and beyond in their pop-up camper. Deacon Erin Moniz loves to disciple and create content for emerging adults. As a chaplain at Baylor University, she is active in spiritual formation, mentoring, discipleship, and programming for young adults. She is the co-host for the Mutuality Matters podcast and a trained conciliator. She and her husband, Michael, were married in 2005 and ever since, have been blessed to care for young people and live out the testimony of God's sanctifying work in relationships. When they are not narrating the inner monologue of their two cats, Erin and Michael love to hike, camp, watch movies, and partake of local fare with friends. Find Erin on social media @erinfmoniz, and her personal website is erinfmoniz.com. Sign up for her newsletter on her site! Learn more about Erin and Matthew and their church ministry by following @allsaintswaco on Instagram. Other Reading Together in Ministry: Women and Men in Flourishing Partnerships Created to Thrive: Cultivating Abuse-Free Communities (Men & Women Leading Together) Creating Safe and Thriving Mixed-Gender Partnerships The Unavoidable Link Between Patriarchal Theology and Spiritual Abuse Theological Malpractice Stands Culpable in Sexual Abuse: Mitch Randall Kingdom-Based Diversity: Embracing the Priesthood of All Believers

In this episode of Mutuality Matters, host Angela visits with Dr. Gabby Cudjoe-Wilkes to discuss how a justice imagination is necessary for people of color and everyone involved in the work of social justice as they navigate the daily realities that come with living in America. Gabby delves into how the Psalms provide a perfect expression of hope rooted and grounded in the faithfulness of God despite one’s current circumstances. She describes hope as an act of resistance as we imagine a future that aligns with God’s vision of kingdom life in this earthly realm. Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio Dr. Gabby Cudjoe-Wilkes is a pastor, leader, innovation strategist and author. She is a strategist by training and is the founding-co lead pastor of The Double Love Experience Church in Brooklyn, New York. Her work has been featured in Essence, Forbes, and The New York Times. She is the co-author of Psalms for Black Lives: Reflections for the Work of Liberation. Dr. Gabby holds a doctorate from Duke University, a master of divinity from Yale University, a master of arts from NYU, and a bachelor’s degree from Hampton University. She is the vice president of the Yale Divinity School Alumni Board and a member of the Morehouse College MLK Board of Preachers. Dr. Gabby is a proud member of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority incorporated and is committed to the work of love and justice. Connect with Dr. Gabby Cudjoe-Wilkes: www.gabbycudjoewilkes.com @PastorGabbyCWilkes (IG) & @GabbyCWilkes (Twitter).

Show Notes What are the implications of assigning the male gender to God? If God isn’t male, then why do we call God “Father”? Blake & Erin speak with Dr. Amy Peeler about her new book, Women and the Gender of God. Listen as they discuss the significance of the incarnation, Mary, the Mother of Jesus, and much more! You can pick up her book here. Follow her on social media at @albpeeler and visit her website to learn more: https://amypeeler.com/ Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio Amy Peeler is associate professor of New Testament at Wheaton College and associate rector at St. Mark's Episcopal Church in Geneva, Illinois. She is the author of You Are My Son: The Family of God in the Epistle to the Hebrews and the coauthor, with Patrick Gray, of Hebrews: An Introduction and Study Guide. Most recently, Dr. Peeler published her book Women and the Gender of God. Other Reading Imagining a Feminine God: Gendered Imagery in the Bible - CBE International Vindicating the Vixens: Revisiting Sexualized, Vilified, and Marginalized Women of the Bible: Sandra Glahn: 9780825444135 - CBE International with Christianbook.com Icons of Christ: A Biblical and Systematic Theology for Women's Ordination

Show Notes In this episode, Mimi and Kim discuss CBE’s partnerships in East Africa with Deborah Asio. Deborah, as CBE’s liaison and a partner herself, reveals how highlighting the women of Scripture as powerful examples inspires women and men in East Africa to champion equality and mutuality for the flourishing of all. This work takes on the practical challenges of women’s economics and illiteracy that enables abuse in a patriarchal society, by providing menstruation kits to girls so they can attend school, and by training up male champions of women’s equality. Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio Deborah Asio is an organizational development professional with NGO experience who oversees CBE’s Africa partner projects. Deborah represents CBE and actively looks for opportunities to expand CBE’s social impact with new partners. Deborah holds workshops to train pastors, gives reproductive health talks to build girls’ agency as made in God’s image, provides Bible-based psychosocial support to women in refugee camps, and conducts male ally/champion classes so they can become Bible-inspired change agents to advocate with other men to end injustices for girls and women. Other Reading CBE’s Still Side-by-Side, available in many languages Learn more about CBE’s Partners in East Africa: Partnering in Africa - CBE International Listen to “A Lie Long Planted: Unearthing the Deep Roots of Gender Based Injustice” by Medad Birungi Listen to Mutuality Matters podcast interview with Emily Onyango to better understand the East African situation for girls and women. Listen to Terran Williams on patriarchy in South Africa: (New Voices) How Complementarianism Just Makes No Sense with Terran Williams | Mutuality Matters (podbean.com)

Show Notes This month, Layla and Rob sit down with one of their favorite preachers, Beth Eckloff-Paz. Drawing on her eighteen years of ministry experience, Beth clearly describes the challenges she’s faced as a woman in ministry, she lays out a clear picture of what partnerships look like, and she casts a vision for how “the fullness of God is present in the both/and” of women and men partnering together. You’ll love learning from this bold and courageous leader! Bio Beth Eckloff-Paz has dedicated her life to mobilizing the next generation of leaders to live out the gospel and join God’s mission of justice and righteousness. She is currently pastoring college students and young adults at Lake Avenue Church in Pasadena, California. Beth is a passionate communicator of the gospel and preaches at conferences and churches across the United States and internationally. She graduated from Fuller Theological Seminary with a Master of Divinity. During her time at Fuller, she received the 2018 Hooper–Keefe Preaching Award and the prestigious Parish Pulpit Fellowship (2019-2020) where she lived internationally in Guatemala and Albania. Beth also co-directs the PreacHER Academy, an online, synchronous, seminary-level learning experience. For more information and to apply for the next cohort, click here. Beth has traveled to over thirty countries and served as a North American delegate for the Lausanne 2016 Younger Leaders Movement (YLG 2016). She enjoys coffee, gardening succulents, boxing, and reading. With eighteen years of full-time ministry experience, she continues to cultivate and build the kingdom of God with joy. See more of Beth’s story and listen to one of her sermons HERE. Reach out to Beth at bethpaz.com or on Instagram @sojournerpaz Other Reading Better Together by Danielle Strickland Together in Ministry: Women and Men in Flourishing Partnerships Leading Together: Lessons From Sharing Leadership in Ministry and Marriage

Show Notes Most would agree that organizational performance is often a reflection of the quality of leadership guiding the organization. Well, the same is true for ministry. Dr. Jeanne Porter King sits with host Angela and shares the importance of leadership in ecclesial spaces. Together, they explore how the spiritual gift of leading is manifested by both women and men, how race and gender impact the way believers show up as leaders, and the ways by which the gift of leadership can and should be developed. Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio Dr. Jeanne Porter King is an author, business leader, inspirational teacher, speaker, ministry leader, and board-certified coach. She is the founder and president of TransPorter Group, Inc., a consulting practice specializing in leadership development, and diversity, equity, and inclusion strategy and training. Dr. Jeanne has developed leadership programs and has trained and coached leaders in twenty different countries. She also serves as the executive pastor of Christ Community Church in South Holland, Illinois. Contact Information Instagram: @drjeanneporterking Twitter: @drjeannepking Website: www.drjeanneporterking.com Resources Inspiring the Leader Within https://jeanneporterking.com The Paradox of Power: 7 Leadership Strategies in the Age of #ChurchToo How Can Churches Encourage Women Leaders?

Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Show Notes CBE International’s Mutuality Magazine Winter Issue tackles the topic of Jesus and Women. To help us think deeply about this and how it affects our discipleship and reading of Scripture, Dr. Lynn Cohick comes on the podcast to talk with Erin and Blake. Bio Dr. Cohick presently serves as Provost and Dean of Academic Affairs of Northern Seminary in Lisle, Illinois. She teaches New Testament and is leading the development of DMin and MA programs in women's studies, and the Women's Center for Leadership at Northern Seminary. She has her bachelor’s degree from Messiah College, and a Ph.D. in New Testament and Christian Origins from the University of Pennsylvania. After 18 years as professor of New Testament and Biblical Studies at Wheaton College she accepted the invitation to join Denver Seminary as their Provost / Dean. Dr. Cohick has also taught at Messiah College and Nairobi Evangelical Graduate School of Theology. She is the author of Christian Women in the Patristic World: Their Influence, Authority, and Legacy in the Second Through Fifth Centuries, as well as Women in the World of the Earliest Christians, and commentaries on Phillipians and Ephesians among many other articles and publications. She contributed a chapter about Jesus and the Samaritan woman in Vindicating the Vixens: Revisiting Sexualized, Vilified, and Marginalized Women in the Bible. She enjoys preaching from the Bible, teaching on matters pertaining to women’s ministry, and exploring issues pertaining to the historical relationship between Jews and Christians. Other Reading Vindicating the Vixens: Revisiting Sexualized, Vilified, and Marginalized Women in the Bible. Christian Women in the Patristic World: Their Influence, Authority, and Legacy in the Second Through Fifth Centuries The Samaritan Woman's Story: Reconsidering John 4 After #ChurchToo Center for Women and Leadership at Northern Seminary Alabaster Jar Podcast

In this second episode in a two-part interview of Mutuality Matters (Global Impact), Frankie Quirke explains how she became involved in Tearfund’s work with gender and equality and how it grew to include programs designed to minimize sexual and gender-based violence. She speaks of new initiatives and horizons that more fully include the whole family by sharing stories from the field that illustrate the work. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Bio: Francesca Quirke is Tearfund's sexual and gender-based violence program manager. Franky is passionate about the church championing gender justice and has been supporting Tearfund's work on preventing sexual and gender-based violence for seven years. Tearfund's “Transforming Masculinities” approach engages faith leaders and faith communities to shift harmful gender norms and create new equitable relationships and practices and is now being run in over seventeen countries. Francesca lives in Brighton in the UK and holds a masters in gender and international development from the London School of Economics and Political Science. Other Reading & Resources Created To Thrive: Created Abuse-Gree Faith Communities, edited by Elizabeth Beyer. CBE’s Ideas have Consequences Conference Recordings The Headship of Men and the Abuse of Women: Are They Related in Any Way? By Kevin Giles Tearfund podcast: Faith in Development-Season 2: Gender and Protection

Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Show Notes Join us this week on Mutuality Matters Rev. Tim Breen helps us consider how continual “one-degree adjustments” cultivate a culture of mutuality in the church. Tim also shares his personal journey toward egalitarianism, as well as helpful reflections on Scripture. Bio Rev. Tim Breen serves as the lead pastor of First Reformed Church in Orange City, a position he has held since 2010. Tim received his bachelor's from Northwestern College and his Master of Divinity from Western Theological Seminary. His ministry interests are preaching, church growth, intercultural learning, and staff and church administration. On Saturdays, you can find him cheering on his beloved Michigan Wolverines. Find Tim at www.telosblog.com, follow him at @tsbreen on Twitter. Other Reading 3 Practical Changes Churches Can Make To Empower Women - CBE International How A Pastor and A Church Changed Their Stance on Women in Ministry - CBE International

Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Show Notes As disciples striving to reflect the true nature of God through Christ, we must have courage to be different than most people in the world, including how we deal with racism. Michelle T. Sanchez, author of the newly released book, Color-Courageous Discipleship: Follow Jesus, Dismantle Racism, and Build Beloved Community, shares with Angela her belief that it is impossible to separate race, discipleship, and our relationship with God. Listen in as they discuss both the theological foundation for her assertion and the practical implications for how we live "color-courageously" daily, choosing to see color so that we can dismantle racism, pursue equity, and build beloved community. To receive a sneak peek of Color-Courageous Discipleship: Follow Jesus, Dismantle Racism, and Build Beloved Community (first chapter) and God’s Beloved Community: A Picture Book (first few pages) text “courage” to 44144. Doing this will also subscribe you to receive more information and updates from Michelle T. Sanchez. Bio Michelle T. Sanchez, MDiv, ThM, is the senior discipleship and evangelism leader of the Evangelical Covenant Church, a vibrant multiethnic denomination of more than 875 congregations. Michelle completed seminary degrees at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary and spiritual direction training at Boston College. She is a conference speaker and a columnist with Outreach magazine. Michelle has enjoyed engaging with colorful cultures in over thirty countries and territories around the world. She and her husband, Mickey, live with their children in the Chicago area. Other Reading and Resources: “Color-Courageous Biblical Equality” at CBE’s 2022 International Conference in Atlanta, Georgia (Video) Color-Courageous Discipleship: Follow Jesus, Dismantle Racism, and Build Beloved Community by Michelle T. Sanchez Learn more about Michelle at https://michelletsanchez.com/

Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Show Notes Why are there not as many women ministers? Dr. Susan Harris Howell talks with hosts Blake and Erin about her work on the socialization of women and men. There are several variables that contribute to the diminishing of women, such as the gendered language we use daily without thought. In this episode, we learn what these variables are and how we can counter their effects. Be sure to pick up Dr. Howell’s book, “Buried Talents” at the CBE bookstore and visit her website to learn more: https://www.susanharrishowell.com/ Bio Dr. Susan Harris Howell is a writer, speaker, and professor of Psychology, based in Central Kentucky. After graduating from Campbellsville College, she went on to the University of Louisville for her graduate work, receiving a Master of Education with an emphasis in marriage and family counseling and a Doctor of Education with an emphasis in counseling and development. She worked as a therapist before beginning her teaching career. She has written extensively on the topic of biblical gender equality. Dr. Howell teaches classes on gender studies and integrating faith and psychology at Campbellsville University in Kentucky. She is the author of Buried Talents: Overcoming Gendered Socialization to Answer God’s Call, as well as a number of articles about the importance of following our own gifts and calling rather than letting others dictate to us which pursuits are appropriate for women and men. Other Reading Buried Talents by Susan Harris Howell The Desk: Four Lessons to Help Women Tackle the Impossible by Susan Harris Howell No Longer Male and Female: Why Do We Still Separate by Gender in Church? by Vanessa Bickle

Disclaimer The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers. Show Notes In this first episode of a two-part interview on Mutuality Matters, “Global Impact” thread, Frankie Quirke explains how Tearfund’s work grew to include programs designed to minimize sexual and gender-based violence in the home, church, and community. Tearfund’s community-centered approach reduced the stigma experienced by survivors of rape and helped to make their churches places of safety and healing. Furthermore, in a community atmosphere, it addressed poor theology that held men as superior to women, reflecting on sin and God’s intention for flourishing humanity in relationship with God, one another, and creation. Bio Francesca Quirke is Tearfund's sexual and gender-based violence program manager. Franky is passionate about the church championing gender justice and has been supporting Tearfund's work on preventing sexual and gender-based violence for seven years. Tearfund's Transforming Masculinities approach engages faith leaders and faith communities to shift harmful gender norms and create new equitable relationships and practices and is now being run in over seventeen countries. Francesca lives in Brighton in the UK and holds a master's degree in gender and international development from the London School of Economics and Political Science. Other Reading & Resources 1. Created To Thrive: Created Abuse-Gree Faith Communities, edited by Elizabeth Beyer. 2. CBE’s “Ideas have Consequences” Conference Recordings 3. The Headship of Men and the Abuse of Women: Are They Related in Any Way? By Kevin Giles 4. Tearfund podcast: Faith in Development-Season 2: Gender and Protection

In this special episode of Mutuality Matters, hosts Layla and Rob interview three gender violence experts to learn how individuals and churches can be intentional about building safe and thriving mixed-gender ministry partnerships. Topics include the language of domestic violence, himpathy, why men batter, and practical steps for accountability and prevention in churches. Listen to this conversation that truly spanned the world, from Australia to the US to Great Britain, and learn how to prevent domestic violence within your community. Created to Thrive contributors highlighted in this episode are Natalie Collins, Chuck Derry, and Nicola (Nicky) Lock. Guest Bios Natalie Collins is a gender justice specialist working with a number of organizations in the UK. Natalie speaks and writes on understanding and ending gender injustice nationally and internationally. Learn more at https://www.nataliecollins.info/ Chuck Derry has been involved in efforts to end men’s violence against women since 1983. In 1994, he co-founded the Gender Violence Institute in Clearwater, Minnesota, an organization that among other things offers training on the dynamics of domestic violence. Reach Chuck at [email protected]. Nicola (Nicky) Lock serves as a course coordinator and lecturer in pastoral counseling at St. Mark's National Theological Center in Barton, Australia. Nicky has over 25 years of experience as a counselor, therapist, and educator. Find Nicky on LinkedIn and Facebook. Other Reading Created to Thrive