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From his high perch within a “boutique denomination,” Carl feels comfortable taking shots at Todd and the much larger PCA. With the sniping finally in check, the didactic duo brings aboard a special guest. Dr. Steven Duby is the author of Jesus and the God of Classical Theism: Biblical Christology in Light of the Doctrine of God. He’s associate professor of theology at Phoenix Seminary and has written several substantial books on the Doctrine of God. In his latest, Duby asserts that—when Classical Theism informs our Christology—we can better understand Jesus’ unique incarnation, how He relates to the Father and the Holy Spirit, and the efficacy of the Lord’s atonement. Congratulations to our winners of a copy of Stephen’s book: *Michael H. from Ft. Lee, NJ *Annette Y. of Bull Valley, IL

After revisiting the “trouser color” debate of 2019 (Carl claims a sort of “sartorial panache”), our hosts settle into a more serious discussion. A rather high-profile government appointee publicly displays what is—to most—a rather deplorable lifestyle. Should the Christian say nothing about what this man does in his “private life?” Or should a public servant’s behavior be held to a higher standard? The conversation naturally moves to the public good and our obligation to the most vulnerable in society: children. Is teaching transgender issues to second graders a deplorable practice or a mere First Amendment exercise? Carl and Todd frankly address the issue and the solution only the Church can offer. Congratulations to our winners of a copy of Laura Perry’s From Transgender to Transformed: A Story of Transition That Will Truly Set You Free. *Lee Ann G. of Oklahoma City, OK *Jeff G. from Lincoln, NE *Michel V. from Hampton, GA

Carl’s ongoing tour in support of his best-selling book provides numerous opportunities to hear from others striving to explain the paradigm of this strange new world. A voice that particularly captured the professor’s attention joins our conversation today. Is identity primarily defined by race? Monique Duson reminds us that, as a believer, your identity begins with who you are in Christ. Thus, the Church is our best hope for solving the challenges of racism and inequality. A one-time advocate for Critical Race Theory (CRT), Monique discovered the contradictions between the vision of CRT and the Christian worldview, and founded the Center for Biblical Unity (CFBU), leading respectful and Bible-centered conversations about race, justice, and unity. Whether you’ve been “canceled,” or seek to provoke meaningful conversations about diversity and inclusion, Monique’s small group curriculum Reconciled outlines a biblical approach to racial unity. Congratulations to our winner of a copy of the curriculum, Bret R. from San Luis Obispo, CA.

It’s one of the more intriguing titles one might encounter--Confessions of a French Atheist: How God Hijacked my Quest to Disprove the Christian Faith. And as our heroes settle in to discuss the book, Messieurs Trueman and Pruitt find its author to be just as engaging. No longer an atheist (but still very much French), Guillaume Bignon is an analytical philosopher and computer scientist working in New York’s financial industry. Guillaume came to faith through an unlikely series of providential meetings and conversations with Christians around the world. As the foundations of his unbelief began to crumble, Bignon discovered the wonder of a God that offers salvation freely and not by good works. Listen as the three discuss miracles, evolution, and the intersection of faith and science. Congratulations to our winners of Guillaume’s book, courtesy of Tyndale House: *Timm H. of Berwyn, IL *Mark F. of Lancaster, PA *Debby F. from Wofford Heights, CA

Carl welcomes a rare participant into today’s discussion: a former student still willing to acknowledge the experience! Kyle Davis is an American serving in South Africa as the Bible Translation Fellowship executive director. Kyle asserts that there are over 7300 languages in the world, yet a complete translation of the Scriptures is available in only 10% of those tongues. Such sobering statistics compel Kyle to provide support for those who make Bible translation their mission. As many within the Church are moving away from the written Word toward narrative and storytelling, Davis reminds us that God gave us a Book, and all literate language groups need to learn from its text. Listen, and gain a fresh appreciation for the value of Scripture. Congratulations to our winners of Vern Poythress’ In the Beginning Was the Word: *Parker B. from Marietta, GA *James A. from Marshall, MN *Walker T. from Auburn, AL Show Notes *BibleTranslationFellowship.org

The “Lady Writer” who (perhaps unwittingly) bestowed upon our own Todd Pruitt his “Major Pastor” credentials is today’s special guest. Co-host, professor, and rap artist Carl Trueman joins in to welcome Megan Basham, culture reporter for the Daily Wire. All superfluous titles aside, the three discuss an essential topic: the disturbing state of what is currently referred to as "responsible journalism." Why have the mainstream news and entertainment media become mere PR outlets for the political and cultural elites? When did journalists stop holding our leaders accountable, choosing instead to defend a singular perspective that would make even Orwell blush? Megan takes on her media colleagues and the most controversial topics of the day in this high-energy conversation!

Though pastoral duties call Todd away from the podcast today, Carl nonetheless enjoys a pleasant conversation with Geoffrey Thomas. Our guest is a seminary professor and conference speaker who served over 50 years behind a pulpit in Aberystwyth, Wales. Geoffrey’s outstanding autobiography, In the Shadow of the Rock, recalls the friendships gained and lessons learned over decades of ministering the Word. Thomas recalls some of his favorite teachers (John Murray, Cornelius Van Til, et al.), his formative years in the pastorate, and the tale of a close (automotive) encounter with the late J.I. Packer! Thomas’ joy is evident throughout as Carl delights in interviewing one of his heroes. Don’t miss it! Congratulations to our winners of a free copy of In the Shadow of the Rock: *Chris S. of Bowie, MD *Keith W. from Guelph, Ontario *Tim R. from Cumming, GA

"Major Pastor" Pruitt and "the Reverend Dr." Trueman condescend to welcome Tony Reinke to the podcast. He's a journalist, author, and senior teacher for Desiring God. Tony's focus on Christian theology and ethics has led him to write a number of books examining technology's influences, including his latest: God, Technology, and the Christian Life. Is technology morally neutral? Has your smartphone truly changed your life? Do the various online platforms shape how we communicate and what we value? Enjoy an eye-opening conversation with the internet's foremost Herman Bavinck fan! Congratulations to our winner of a copy of Tony's book: *Andy N. from Westlake, OH

Jonathan Edwards characterized sin as an unbearable weight that—without the securing hand of God—would inevitably drag the unbeliever down a slippery slope into hell. In recent times, however, many have reduced sin to merely “missing the mark” or “experiencing brokenness.” In his new book, Canadian PCA pastor Mark Jones helps his readers see the neglected doctrine of sin through the eyes of the Puritans rather than in the more psychological ethic of contemporary evangelical culture. Dr. Jones joins Carl and Todd to discuss the origins of sin and how ignorance of the holiness of God has left so many Christians with such an anemic view of sin. Along the way, Mark reminds us that seeing sin for what it truly is helps the believer more fully appreciate his need for a savior and the powerful grace offered by God. Congratulations to our winners of Knowing Sin: Seeing a Neglected Doctrine through the Eyes of the Puritans: *Brad P. from Prattville, AL *Enoch C. from Cambridge, MA *Scott R. from Syracuse, NY Show Note Let Your Sins Be Strong: Luther’s Letter to Melanchthon

As newly-minted grandfather Carl Trueman settles into his cardigan sweater and comfortable shoes, the always-youthful and vibrant Todd Pruitt steps up to help welcome a special guest. Terry Johnson is the 34-year senior minister of Independent Presbyterian Church in Savannah, Georgia, and a respected author. Terry’s latest release—Understanding Family Worship—is a companion piece to his landmark 2009 book on family devotions. Why can it be difficult for parents—especially dads—to initiate and take the lead in family worship? Families enjoyed daily devotionals throughout Christian history, so what has changed in recent generations? Terry makes a convincing and detailed argument for why your family needs to gather for worship and how it might be done in your own home. Congratulations to our winners of Terry Johnson’s Understanding Family Worship: Its History, Theology, and Practice: *Benjamin C. of Pittsburgh, PA *Taylor K. from Huntsville, AL *Vernon G. of Sparks, NV *Nathan A. of Dyer, IN

No longer concerned about offending his boss, Carl welcomes his friend and fellow professor (and former Grove City provost) David Ayers for a return visit to the infamous virtual bunker. With a COVID-y Todd maintaining a few hundred miles of social distancing, the three sit down to discuss the subject matter of David’s forthcoming book, After the Revolution: Sex and the Single Evangelical. In the book, Dr. Ayers provides the Christian heirs of the sexual revolution a resource to understand their challenges and social context to find a way forward. Has the Church lost its savor in providing the clear teaching of Scripture on such matters? Is the answer ultimately found in simply turning back the clock? Our guest and hosts provide satisfying answers to these questions and others. We’d like to congratulate the winners of copies of David’s landmark book, Christian Marriage: A Comprehensive Introduction: *James M. from Cottage Grove, MN *Laura S. from Grand Rapids, MI *Job D. from Woodstock, GA *Isaac B. from Pinedale, WY *Julian G. from Pine Island, FL

Best-selling author (the Reverend Dr.) Carl Trueman steps away from his world book tour, condescending just long enough to share his thoughts with Todd Pruitt on the topics of institutional coffee mugs, Reformed seminaries, and the mujahideen. But it’s a different type of combatant on our co-hosts’ radar: the culture warrior. Is it a term of endearment or a dismissive insult? How do “culture warriors” differ from “activists?” The dynamic duo reminds us that Christians need to be engaged–using the right tactics in the proper battles. Congratulations to our winners of Thaddeus Williams' Confronting Injustice Without Compromising Truth: *Mary D. from Pocomoke, MD *Coleman E. from Tucker, GA *Marilyn J. from Adamsville, TN

Your favorite grumpy, middle-aged pod partners welcome a good friend, and—according to Carl—the mastermind behind the marketing and sales department at Banner of Truth publishing. Pat Daly has been one of the fast-moving wheels at Banner for quite some time, but—this coming summer—he’ll assume the duties of a vice president at Greenville Presbyterian Theological Seminary. Before he departs, Pat talks about the current state of Christian publishing and his encouraging view of its future, particularly in Reformed circles. Daly comments on the notion that “Puritans are hard to read,” takes the opportunity to make some recommendations, and reveals the distinctive process of choosing Banner’s next publication. On a more personal note, Carl reveals to listeners one of Pat’s great hidden talents. Don’t miss it! We are pleased to congratulate our winners of a free copy of “A Body of Divinity”, one of the greatest Puritan classics: *Hal P. from Brandon, MS *Robert A. from Buffalo,NY *Daren D. from Beaverton, MI

Keeping up with all that’s happening in the evangelical world is a real challenge! Today our intrepid hosts tackle one of the latest examples of dysfunction at the intersection of church and culture. This week’s head-shaker comes courtesy of Life Church, pastored by Craig Groeschel. It’s the newest, super-cool, and innovative approach to “doing church”: the metaverse. Yes, it’s virtual reality (VR) church, where one can “worship” from the comfort of home wearing jammies and goggles while being represented in the “sanctuary” by a personal graphic avatar. What is the metaverse, and what do its creators say is its primary purpose? What are the critics saying about VR and its effects on individuals and society? Are there biblical implications when a church creates a virtual reality campus? Todd and Carl discuss the deep human needs of physical presence and personal interaction no virtual experience can fulfill. Congratulations to our winners of a free copy of A Place to Belong, Learning to Love the Local Church by Megan Hill: *Bill B. from Olathe, KS *Nord Z. from Camden, IN *Daniel K from York Haven, PA

Together for the Gospel (T4G) directors have announced that they will be meeting for the final time in 2022, triggering a wide-ranging discussion on parachurch organizations. Todd waxes nostalgic as he recalls the many years he attended T4G and how those conferences influenced his life and ministry. Today, Pastor Pruitt shares his thoughts about the ministry’s dissolution as our two friends reflect on the current challenges that Gospel unity is facing everywhere. You don’t want to miss Carl’s analogy about the OPC and pest control. Listen in! Congratulations to our winners of free copies of Nine Marks of a Healthy Church by Mark Dever: Bruce J. from West Springfield, MA Rod R. from Rose Hill, KS Philip J. from Lenexa, KS

After a few weeks of solo hosting chores, Carl and Todd are back together and ready to tackle some pressing current affairs. The hot button issues of the day include the notions of “personhood” and “identity” as represented by Revoice, the PCA study committee report, and the opposition to passing overtures 23 and 37 to amend the Book of Church Order. Is the definition of “identity” ambiguous or unclear in the proposed overtures, or are some ministers backpedaling on what they previously affirmed to be true? An objective question requires a clear-cut and unequivocal answer, so Todd poses his queries to Carl, who—literally—“wrote the book” on issues of identity. Check out our previous episode with Fred Greco addressing the PCA Overtures. Congratulations to our winners of Kevin DeYoung’s book, What Does the Bible Really Teach About Homosexuality? Eddie B. from Rocky Mount, NC Chris B. from Camp Hill, PA James C. from Chicago, IL

The Blessings of the Faith series recently published by P&R is a valuable resource highlighting the distinctives of the Presbyterian and Reformed faith. The series, written for Church laity as an introduction to Presbyterian ecclesiology and polity, is particularly helpful for Christians with backgrounds in other traditions. Carl’s guest is Jason Helopoulos, editor of the series and author of Covenantal Baptism. He’s the senior pastor of University Reformed Church in East Lansing, MI. Jason shares his love for the sacrament of covenantal baptism and explains how his perspective on the subject has changed since his seminary days. What does baptism represent in the Reformed tradition? How is the concept of judgment associated with baptism? Do we pray with our children or for our children? Don’t miss this very insightful discussion. Congrats to our winners of complimentary copies of Jason's Covenantal Baptism: *Joan H. from Huron, OH *Bradley E. from Anthem, AZ

Mortification of Spin is now a biweekly podcast. As we adjust to the new schedule, we’d like to introduce you to another Alliance podcast: Theology on the Go, with Jonathan Master and James Dolezal. A new episode of MoS is coming November 24th. Dale Ralph Davis has been a minister at a few traditional Reformed churches in the US. For some time, he was Old Testament professor at Reformed Theological Seminary in Jackson, MS. Dale lives a much quieter life now, and is happy to chat with Jonathan and James about one of his remarkable books, entitled The Word Became Fresh - How to Preach from the Old Testament Narrative Texts. What is it about some OT narrative texts that intimidates many from preaching through them? What would be the possible negative effects on a church that does not receive the full revelation of God’s Word, including what Davis calls these “nasty narratives?”

A new series is available from P&R Publishing, produced in collaboration with some very accomplished and devoted pastors and theologians. Written for the Church, The Blessings of the Faith Series edited by Jason Helopoulos introduces and explores the distinctives of the Presbyterian and Reformed faith. Current topics include expository preaching, covenantal baptism, and persistent prayer, and more are on the way. Today, Carl chats with David Strain, the senior minister of First Presbyterian Church in Jackson, MS, and author of Expository Preaching. David explains the layout of the books, including content designed to answer questions commonly posed by Christians who are new to the Reformed faith. Why is expository preaching so vital? Is preaching simply the communication of information? David’s conviction and passion for expository preaching set the stage for this engaging conversation. Congratulations to our winners of complimentary copies of Expository Preaching: *Zaci S. from Gable, SC *Chrissy W. from Phoenixville, PA

While Carl is globetrotting, fulfilling speaking engagements about what is (thus far) his magnum opus, Todd makes a promise to the loyal listeners of this podcast. As he’s the only host present, our megachurch minister sits down with a good friend to discuss a pressing issue in their common denomination, the Presbyterian Church in America (PCA). It’s Fred Greco, pastor of Christ Church in Katy, TX, a General Assembly (GA) veteran trained in the art of unambiguous language. The two discuss this year’s passing of Overtures 23 and 37 at the GA and why the PCA should adopt them and amend the Book of Church Order. What are these overtures about? Why are they so significant for the future of the denomination? Todd and Fred review the proposals and discuss the objections raised by those who oppose them. Listen thoughtfully, because even if you’re not in a PCA church, the same issues may soon be knocking at the door of your denomination.

He’s a “Thought Leader”…an “American Theologian”…and an “Anti-Social Media Influencer” (or is that, an “antisocial Media Influencer?”). Yes, the great Carl Trueman and his faithful sidekick Todd “Tonto” Pruitt sit down to chat about some very contemporary issues, as they also share an important family development! The progress of information technology has our generation asking questions and dealing with concerns no previous generation could have imagined. The benefits of technology are many; there is much to celebrate. Yet our surrender to, and dependence on, technology comes at a high cost–and the Church may soon have to ante up! Our Spinners weigh in and challenge the Church to stay one step ahead of the game. Resources to be Acquainted With: · Napa Legal Institute · Ethics and Public Policy Center · Alliance Defending Freedom · Becket - Religious Liberty for All We are offering our listeners the opportunity to win a copy of “The Tyranny of Big Tech” by US Senator Josh Hawley. Sign up! The books are a generous gift from our friends at Regnery Publishing.

Our spin terminators are feuding about Carl’s citizenship status, the environment, and even boiled food, all before introducing their special guests. Both men join us virtually today, but will appear together in person to speak at the Bold North Conference on Reformed Theology November 5-6, 2021, at Mission Orthodox Presbyterian Church in St. Paul, MN. Camden Bucey is a minister at Hope Orthodox Presbyterian Church in Grayslake, IL and the executive director of Reformed Forum. His friend Jim Cassidy is the pastor of South Austin Presbyterian Church in Austin, TX and the Reformed Forum board president. The pair check in to prepare us for the upcoming conference, themed Covenant Theology and the Promised Messiah. What is Covenant Theology, why is it important, and what are the distinctions between Covenant Theology and broader evangelicalism? Israel, the Church, how the Bible is structured, and the way we interpret Scripture are not mere doctrinal differences that can be overlooked, but are at the very heart of understanding the way God relates to his creatures. So listen in, and stay tuned for a very important announcement at the end of the show. Show Notes · Reformed Forum · Bold North Conference on Reformed Theology Congratulations to our winners of a free copy of Foundations of Covenant Theology: A Biblical, Theological Study of Genesis 1-3 by Lane Tipton: David R. from Williamsburg, VA Kyle A. from Clarksville, IN

On today’s encore presentation of Mortification of Spin the dynamic duo becomes a trio, as a third pessimist—that is, a third realist—joins in. Rod Dreher is an American writer and editor, culture critic, and the author of several books, including The Benedict Option and the freshly released Live Not By Lies: A Manual for Christian Dissidents. Rod’s book is a wakeup call for Christians about ideas that have become prevalent in American society…notions already adopted in other countries that have proven to be a threat to civil liberties. Is there still hope to turn from what he calls “soft totalitarianism”? What’s the course of action for Christians to preserve the faith in such an intolerant society, where words and actions are becoming highly surveilled and dealt with “accordingly?” Live Not By Lies is timely and absolutely relevant for Christian dissidents. You can’t afford to miss this conversation! Show Notes ·The American Conservative ·The Benedict Option: A Strategy for Christians in a Post-Christian Nation by Rod Dreher

Our favorite spin slayers believe that Christians and non-Christians alike should care about religious liberty. So, Carl and Todd choose to revisit a prominent First Amendment case and note other offenses that are popping up all around. How should Christians view religious liberty and what should be our response when faced with religious opposition and hostility? How big of a deal is it, really, to bake a cake or arrange flowers for a gay wedding? Carl explains how the concepts of personhood and identity are determining factors in the way liberty is defined in today’s society—even in the opinion of some Christians. Show Notes ·Public Discourse ·Alliance Defending Freedom ·Becket - Religious Liberty for All ·Pacific Justice Institute ·Freedom and Virtue Institute ·The Institute for Faith and Freedom - GCC ·The Heritage Foundation ·Ethics and Public Policy Center We are pleased to offer our listeners the opportunity to win a free copy of Liberty for All: Defending Everyone’s Religious Freedom in a Pluralistic Age by Andrew T. Walker. Register! The copies are a generous gift from our friends at Brazos Press.

A very old and common problem in the pastoral world has recently returned to the headlines with allegations of sermon plagiarism lodged against the newly elected president of the Southern Baptist Convention. Why is sermon plagiarism such a big deal? Does it reach beyond the simple theft of intellectual property? What are the advantages and blessings of sermon preparation for the pastor and his congregation? Join Carl and Todd for an instructive conversation! We are pleased to offer you the opportunity to win a free copy of the classic Preaching and Preachers by Martin Lloyd Jones, published by Zondervan. Register!

He can no longer blend into the background. Carl Trueman is now officially an influencer; he’s a fellow of the Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington D.C. and a clear and present danger to the unorthodox and “progressive” in this country. The legendary secret bunker has been dusted off, equipped with new transmitting devices, and is now ready to harbor our two outspoken hosts. Trueman and his faithful sidekick Pruitt are now targets of “the mob” for bringing the “cultural transformation” movement to the discussion table. What was that movement supposed to be about, and did it fulfill its purpose? How does the Church participate in cultural transformation affecting ethics and public policy in today’s society? Our naïve duo claims it’s through the power of the Gospel, one soul at a time…but what do they know? We have a few giveaway copies of Ethics beyond Rules: How Christ’s Call to Love Informs Our Moral Choices, compliments of our friends at Zondervan. Register for the opportunity to win one.

Todd Pruitt proves to be a good and supportive friend as he endures Carl’s insufferable bragging for being “canceled” by Instagram and YouTube. What’s more, Dr. Trueman informs that he was labeled as “distinguished” on the pages of The Wall Street Journal! All as our “nutty professor” continues to resist the notion of becoming a patriotic American citizen. Seriously: Is it okay for a Christian to be patriotic? Is patriotism a virtue? What’s the distinction between nationalism and patriotism? The two friends help us separate our gratitude for the nation where God placed us from a much less healthy form of nationalistic fanaticism. Should the American flag be displayed in places of worship and church buildings? Listen for perspective from our resident Brit! For good insight on today’s topic, we’re offering our listeners the opportunity to win a free copy of Os Guinness’ The Magna Carta of Humanity - Sinai’s Revolutionary Faith and the Future of Freedom. Register! The books are a generous gift from our friends at InterVarsity Press.

Putting his reputation at risk once again, Dr. Thomas Weinandy makes a return visit to the podcast. The topic of conversation for his first visit was Tom’s impressive work, Jesus Becoming Jesus: A Theological Interpretation of the Synoptic Gospels. The scholar and prolific author is back with the follow-up tome Jesus Becoming Jesus Volume 2: A Theological Interpretation of the Gospel of John. In this latest work, Father Weinandy takes an in-depth look at the historical systematic theology and interpretation of the Gospel of John–emphasizing the doxological aspect of Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection and the significance of referring to Jesus as the Logos. Take note of what Thomas has to say regarding the miracles in John, and in particular, what the resurrection of Lazarus means for the interpretation of this book. Show Notes · Jesus Becoming Jesus - First Episode · Does God Change? By Thomas Weinandy · Does God Suffer? By Thomas Weinandy Register for the opportunity to win a free copy of Jesus Becoming Jesus. These books are a complimentary gift from our friends at The Catholic University of America Press.

The podcasting world’s most interesting pair is joined by “the Queen,” as her husband calls her. It’s not Elizabeth II (sorry, Carl!) or the 80s rock band, but Mary Beeke; author, wife of Joel Beeke, mother of three adult children, a former nurse and elementary teacher, and long-time servant of the church. Mary’s latest book will resonate with most parents as she writes about teaching our children the importance of work and instilling a godly and honorable work ethic. Mary offers an assessment of current societal values that inspire entitlement, complaining, a lack of motivation, and “living for the weekend”…while ignoring the value of earning one’s keep. Does Scripture have anything to say about the issue? Is there a correlation between work and joy? Parents, don’t lose heart! Enjoy Mary’s encouragement as you learn how to persist in “training up” your child! We have copies of Teach Them to Work that we are giving away. Register for the opportunity to win one! The books are a generous gift from our friends at Reformation Heritage Books.

Believe it or not, our hosts can be positive every once in a while. This week, they sit down to chat about the encouraging outcomes of this year’s PCA General Assembly. What happened at the GA that is giving Todd such encouragement about the future of the denomination? (It’s been well-documented that Carl couldn’t care less!) Todd explains the dynamics inside a denomination comprised of “tribes” (as some have called them) that have different interests and goals for the future. For example, some are committed to reforming Presbyterianism and its distinctives, while others see a more progressive kind of evangelicalism for the PCA. Todd reviews the “overtures” voted on at the Assembly and what they mean in the big picture. Overall, it’s an encouraging affirmation of biblical standards and reformed doctrine. To complement today’s topic, we would like to offer you the opportunity to win a free copy of Kevin DeYoung’s book Men and Women in the Church, A Short, Biblical, Practical Introduction. Register! The copies are a complimentary gift from our friends at Crossway.

Despite the inestimable success of his most recent book, Carl finds himself “cancelled” by a school where he was to deliver a speech. It’s an outcome that raises Dr. Trueman to an even higher level of recognition; he’s now almost as important as Ryan T. Anderson, who was famously cancelled by Amazon! Now, Carl and Todd hope their special guest won’t be “cancelled” for merely being in their company. Michael Kruger is the president of Reformed Theological Seminary in Charlotte, and professor of New Testament and Early Christianity. Although Michael is a scholar and has written some heavyweight theological volumes, he’s also penned some phenomenal books with a pastoral tone. Michael’s latest is Surviving Religion 101, which he says is--for a number of reasons--one of his most personal. This letter-format book is intended not only to help Christians survive the assault on their beliefs on campus, but many other challenges of college life. Confronting doubts, apologetics training, the role of the church in the life of the college student, philosophical and worldview issues—all are on the table as part of this great conversation. Listen in, and tell a friend to do so as well! We are giving away a few copies of Surviving Religion 101. Register for the opportunity to win one. The books are a generous gift from our friends at Crossway.

Carl publicly concedes that he’s no match for our special guest’s husband after losing their “mustard-colored trouser” Facebook contest a few years ago. That guest is Catherine Stewart, and she’s the editor of Surviving the Fishbowl: Letters to Pastor’s Kids. Catherine reveals what motivated her to lead the project, assembling an exceptional host of contributors. There is no doubt that pastor’s kids face many unique challenges just for being “PKs." Catherine reminds us that there is also great joy and opportunities for growth as they learn to love and serve the church. How should pastors and their wives talk to their kids about the occasional difficulties and discouragement that are part of pastoral ministry? On the other hand, how can the church be mindful and supportive of the pastor’s kids? We’re happy to offer you the opportunity to win a free copy of Surviving the Fishbowl. You must register to enter! The giveaway copies are a generous gift from our friends at Reformation Heritage Books.

While Todd laments knowing Carl far too long, the professor tries to boost his brand by mentioning that he was recently referred to as “one of God’s gifts to humanity.” With egos finally in check, the pair introduce today’s guest. Proving they can’t resist a good squabble, our dynamic duo welcomes Thaddeus Williams who recently wrote Confronting Injustice without Compromising Truth. The acclaimed book debates whether Critical Race Theory is best understood as a comprehensive worldview rivaling Christianity or a useful tool to spot injustice. So, what is true oppression and how does Jesus define it? Who is a victim by Critical Race Theory standards? You’ll enjoy this captivating conversation! Register for the opportunity to win a free copy of Confronting Injustice without Compromising Truth. The books are a generous gift from our friends at Zondervan.

Once again Carl and Todd welcome a guest brave enough to make a return visit to the lions’ den. Craig Carter is research professor of theology at Tyndale University and theologian in residence at Westney Heights Baptist Church in Ajax, Ontario. Craig is renowned for producing some very fine work on recovering Trinitarian classical theism and classical metaphysics. His newest book is Contemplating God with the Great Tradition, the follow-up volume to 2018’s Interpreting Scripture with the Great Tradition. Dr. Carter grounds his theological argument for this book on the doctrine of God as expounded in the book of Isaiah. Why is this section so critical for the retrieval of classical theism in the Protestant tradition and what is its correlation to the Nicene Creed? What exactly is classical theism, and from whom does it encounter resistance? Some may say that classical theism “doesn’t preach,” meaning that it’s irrelevant and impractical for the Christian life. Find out why the professor politely disagrees! We are pleased to give away copies of Contemplating God with the Great Tradition. Register for the opportunity to win one! The books are a complimentary gift from our friends at Baker Academic. Show Notes · Interpreting Scripture with the Great Tradition

After Carl’s Freudian slip concerning his being a pastor, our resident professor/minister/author quickly recovers and gets back on track by introducing his sidekick and their special guest. Benjamin Fischer is a missionary priest of the Anglican Church of Rwanda, rector of Christ the Redeemer, a congregation in the Anglican Church of North America (ACNA), and the associate professor of Literary History at Northwest Nazarene University. Ben has translated and edited Being a Pastor: Pastoral Treatises of John Wycliffe. He sits down with Carl and Todd to discuss who Wycliffe was and why we should be interested in his work. We may know and enjoy some of Wycliffe’s legacy through a host of Reformers, but there’s much more to this translator, priest, and theologian than meets the eye. Benjamin shares fresh insight with us about this towering 14th-century thinker. We’re happy to offer you the opportunity to win a free copy of Being a Pastor. Register! The books are a generous gift from our friends at The Davenant Press.

With the PCA General Assembly approaching soon, Todd needs to decompress…so, Carl meets him at our mythical “local pub” to act as his therapist. Of course, Professor Trueman doesn’t miss the chance to snub his old friend, and “rub in” the fact that Todd belongs to a boring and uncontroversial denomination (as if!). The call to love the brethren and be charitable toward one another is not only an honorable act—it’s a biblical command. But what happens when those words are used in a different context to persuade people to endorse positions that are cultural or political, rather than biblical? The two amigos discuss the content of a letter with questionable content that was anonymously sent to PCA ministers and elders preceding the General Assembly. Providing a foundation for understanding, Todd describes what some call the “Revoice Theology,” and shares his thoughts about what the upcoming GA means for the future of the denomination. As a premium and sign of hope, we’re pleased to be giving away a free membership to the Orthodox Presbyterian Church! Second prize is TWO free memberships (joking...we’re joking)! There are, however, a few acts of contrition the winners will have to perform in order to seal the deal…

Our precocious pair shares a discussion of “Pride Month,” when big corporations, the media, and others strive to display their unwavering support for the LGBTQ+ movement. Carl and Todd take on everything from cartoons, to advertisements, to countless other means employed by “gender activists” to indoctrinate society and shape our children at a very early age. How might we develop persuasive apologetic arguments using Scripture, natural revelation, and natural law to defend a biblical view of human sexuality? Why are some strands of Protestantism opposed to the implications of natural law? Show Notes · Biblical Natural Law: A Theocentric and Theological Approach by Matthew Levering

Todd is thrilled to fly solo today as Carl dons his bathing attire (BMP) to soak up some much-needed sun at the Jersey shore. It’s just as well; Dr. Trueman doesn’t really get along with cheerful guests! Todd is delighted to share a fun conversation with Lisa Updike, the decidedly cheerful director of Children’s Ministry at Covenant Presbyterian Church (where Todd also serves). Lisa works closely with the discipleship ministry of the PCA and is the author of three wonderful children’s books. She talks about what seemed to be the focus of children’s ministries in the US for the past many years, and the pressing need to turn that around into equipping children to live in today’s world. Should children know about the nature of suffering? How do we teach them? Should they be in “children’s church” or “adult church”? What can parents do to prepare their children for Sunday services? How can churches equip parents to teach children at home? Lisa shares some wonderful advice on such topics and suggests how we might equip our children to defend themselves—even engage—in the culture wars that have come to our doors. Show Notes and Resources ·The Bible is Not Boring! by Lisa Updike ·Church is Not Boring! by LIsa Updike ·About Being a Boy or a Girl: Discussing Gender and Marriage With Little Ones in Light of God’s Word by Lisa Updike ·Lisa’s Worship Service material (at the bottom of the linked webpage) ·Children and Suffering material ·SkitGuys.com

Anthony Selvaggio joins Carl and Todd today. He’s the pastor of Rochester Christian Reformed Church in NY, as well as a conference speaker and author. Considering Job: Reconciling Sovereignty and Suffering is the title of Anthony’s most recent book, and the topic of our conversation. The book of Job is one of the most complex found in Scripture, in part for its paradoxical nature in dealing with suffering. Anthony shares why he believes we should know this book well. Job brings to our attention questions about Satan and his activity in a way that is unlike most other books of the Bible. Does Scripture promise earthly well-being to those who do good and earthly discomforts for those who do evil? How do we make sense of what happened to Job? We are giving away a few copies of Considering Job, Reconciling Sovereignty and Suffering. Register for the opportunity to win one. The copies are a generous gift from our friends at Reformation Heritage Books.

Carl and Todd sit down to chat with an old friend. Sandy Finlayson is the library director and professor of Theological Bibliography at Westminster Theological Seminary. Carl leads the conversation by describing the genesis of the Free Church of Scotland and the men who led what was called “The Great Disruption.” Among them, we find Thomas Chalmers, one of the main leaders of the movement and the subject of Sandy’s academic interest. In the Church of Scotland, who had the right to call a minister to the congregation–the state, the head of the church, or the parishioners? The many different opinions on the subject led to some denominational schism. Even if Scottish history is not your cup of tea, you will appreciate—and enjoy learning about—the Scotsman Thomas Chalmers’ public and private life, and about Presbyterian heritage. We are giving away some free copies of Chief Scottish Man. Register for the opportunity to win one! The copies are a generous gift from our friends at Evangelical Press Books.

Our special guest today is a prolific author, editor, mom of 4, pastor’s wife, and pastor’s daughter. Megan Hill joins Carl and Todd for an energetic conversation about her most recent book, Partners in the Gospel: 50 Meditations for Pastors’ and Elders’ Wives. Through her writing, Megan offers comfort and encouragement to wives as they encounter the joys and challenges of ministering alongside their husbands. Hill offers questions for reflection, topics to be lifted in prayer, and recommended action to be taken to challenge our natural sinful tendencies. Is there a specific and defined role for pastors’ and elders’ wives? How might they deal with criticism and loneliness, counseling their children while enduring scrutiny and high expectations from other church members? Megan shares sage advice learned from her parents that might very much enrich your life. Take note! Show Notes •A Place to Belong: Learning to Love the Local Church by Megan Hill • Megan was a speaker at the 2021 Quakertown Women’s Conference Contentment in Christ Partners in the Gospel is available for purchase at Reformed Resources.

Carl and Todd can truly say that they have “arrived” when they have the privilege to chat with former Cosmopolitan magazine writer Sue Ellen Browder! Our guest played an important role in the feminist movement and “sexual revolution” of the 1970s, 80s, and beyond. Sue’s story is compelling as she tells us about her “double life” as a happily married woman raising children, tending her garden, and baking fresh bread while writing made-up stories on feminism and sexual liberation. Can a media outlet have a manual on how to write fake news to accomplish the desired outcome? You’ll hear about some of those stories today. Browder explains the radically distinctive movements that were at play in the 1960s and early 70s—the “Sexual Revolution” and the “Women’s Movement” that later united to achieve a common goal—and you can probably guess just what their purpose was! Hear how Sue realized what she was doing, turned from that path to make things right, and now offers sage advice for parents and young people in today’s society. Show Notes Sex and the Catholic Feminist by Sue Ellen Browder

Walking away from the faith is a phenomenon as old as humanity itself…but a recent “twist” has emerged in how some high-profile Christians choose to abandon their beliefs. Today, Todd attempts to school Carl on the cyber world of TikTok as the dynamic duo discusses one recent and disturbing “deconversion.” The two are talking about Abraham Piper; he’s the son of John Piper, the well-known pastor and founder of the ministry Desiring God. Abraham has attracted a lot of attention as he uses the big platforms of social media and prominent publications to spread his personal story, mock Christianity, and profit from it all. With Abraham being just one of several influencers to publicly “deconvert” here of late, what does it say about them…about us…about the faith in general, and our fascination with “Christian celebrities? Listen and weigh in on this tragic topic. Register for the opportunity to win a free copy of the fresh-off-the-press book, “Surviving Religion 101: Letters to a Christian Student on Keeping the Faith in College” by Michael Kruger. The copies are a generous gift from our friends at Crossway.

“A thorn in the side of the Archbishop of York.” That’s how our special guest is introduced today. Reverend Melvin Tinker was the vicar of St. John’s Newland in England for many years. He’s now the director of Theology of the Christ Church Network and the author of an amazing book entitled That Hideous Strength, addressing cultural Marxism in society and in the church. Now in a second expanded edition, the book challenges Christians to understand the culture in which they are ministering and the battle they face against the “War of Position." How has the Church contributed to the spreading of Marxist ideas, and what must be done to reverse it? How crucial is language in ideological warfare? Pull up a chair and join this conversation of ultimate relevance and importance! Show Notes ·Antonio Gramsci’s War of Position ·Sir David Lindsey ·“Useful Idiot” political jargon Register for the opportunity to win a free copy of That Hideous Strength. The copies are a generous gift from our friends at EP Books. Click here to learn more about Reverend Tinker, or here for a list of his publications.

Race and Covenant Our delightful duo is honored with a visit from a special guest. Gerry McDermott is an old friend and former Anglican Chair of Divinity at Samford’s Beeson Divinity School. He’s a prolific author, writing brilliantly on a wide variety of subjects ranging from theology and philosophy to famous stutterers. Just a few months ago, McDermott edited Race and Covenant, a collection of essays ignited by the desire to uncover–in the light of Scripture–why race became the number one issue in the country after the presidential election of 2008. Race and Covenant is the work of several very articulate thinkers–Christians and Jews from different traditions, and people from different races and ethnicities contributing their perspectives on the topic. Where does the word “covenant” fit when addressing race? Is there any good to be found in Critical Race Theory? Listen closely to this important conversation, and be sure to share it with a friend! Show Notes · Institute on Religion and Democracy · Robert L. Woodson · The Elect: The Threat to a Progressive America from Anti-Black Antiracists · Carol M. Swain · Derryck Green · Glenn C. Loury · Voddie Baucham Register for the opportunity to win a free copy of Race and Covenant: Recovering the Religious Roots for American Reconciliation. The books come compliments of the Acton Institute.

The evangelical world has been shaken once again by the news of yet another influential leader’s tattered reputation. Ravi Zacharias was a prominent Christian speaker, writer, and apologist for over 4 decades. He spoke from the platforms of renowned institutions and college campuses all around the world. Although there were early questions about Zacharias’s inflated qualifications, a different kind of scandal was confirmed after his death last year. Carl and Todd raise a few questions about the “celebrity culture,” and how it is often immune to criticism. Sadly, serious character flaws involving sex, money, and power may then go unchecked. What should one who’s been helped by such leaders feel about that influence? Join us for a poignant and very necessary conversation. Visit our online store for numerous helpful resources addressing the many challenges of the Christian life.

Our special guest today makes a return visit to the podcast, which can only mean that Carl and Todd have not ruined his reputation (well at least, not yet)! Among the many hats he wears, Matthew Barrett is associate professor of Christian Theology at Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary. Theological retrieval is a process close to Matthew’s heart, and his latest book—Simply Trinity: The Unmanipulated Father, Son, and Spirit—advances the conversation. What do the church fathers have to teach us today about the nature of the Trinity? Matthew addresses the word “unmanipulated,” and how the Holy Trinity is regularly co-opted to represent the positions of government, political parties, family dynamics, and even a social view of the environment. Why are some Christians skeptical of systematic theology and anything philosophical? How does philosophy aid us with theology? Join us for a fascinating discussion. And for more on this topic, don't miss PCRT Live--the 2021 Philadelphia Conference on Reformed Theology. Our theme is Delighting in Our Triune God. Learn more here. Show Notes · Credo magazine · Best Kansas City BBQ according to Matthew Barrett · Purchase a copy of Simply Trinity from ReformedResources.org. We are pleased to offer you the opportunity to win a free copy of Simply Trinity: The Unmanipulated Father, Son, and Spirit. Register here! The books are a gift from our friends at Baker Publishing.

Learning from the Smyth-Fletcher Abuse Carl flies solo today as he speaks with the Rev. Dr. Peter Sanlon, an old friend and a minister in the Anglican Church in the UK. Their conversation is a somber one dealing with a horrific scandal of abuse that has emerged in the past couple of years involving a prominent Anglican minister, the Reverend Jonathan Fletcher. The full report of the abuses made public just a week ago is challenging to understand when reviewed on this side of the Atlantic, due to its cultural and religious context. Peter provides background information and explains the connection with another prominent name, the late John Smyth. What about the victims who have come forward? Is there a system in place to care for them, and how is that done? The notes below link to additional information about the scandal and to a charity where victims can find help. Show Notes: Support for victims or those affected by Fletcher: Email thirtyone:eight charity in confidence for details of fund to provide counseling: [email protected] Reviews on Smyth: https://soulinformation.org/su-report-executive-summary thirtyone:eight review on Fletcher: https://walkingwith.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/Final+Report+of+ECW+Review_March+2021.pdf IAG statement on Fletcher review: https://soulinformation.org/iagstatement Learning about abuse: https://soulinformation.org/video-resources The Making of Them by Nick Duffell We’re pleased to offer an important resource on this topic. Register for the opportunity to win a free copy of Something’s Not Right: Decoding the Hidden Tactics of Abuse and Freeing Yourself from Its Power. The books are a generous gift from our friends at Tyndale Momentum.

Today’s special guest dared to ask questions and present statements from healthcare experts and transgender patients three years ago in his book When Harry Became Sally: Responding to the Transgender Moment. Now, he’s been blacklisted and canceled by big tech. Ryan T. Anderson worked for many years at the Heritage Foundation and helped found Public Discourse, a journal of the Witherspoon Institute. He’s recently become the president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington, D.C., a conservative think tank "dedicated to applying the Judeo-Christian moral tradition to critical public policy issues." A few weeks back, Ryan made headlines after When Harry Became Sally was banned from Amazon. The online behemoth’s decision has raised many questions about trans-ideology and its impact on society—about censorship, big tech, business monopoly, and the lack of accountability of powerful institutions. Carl, Todd, and Ryan sit down to discuss the long-term implications of this kind of censorship and what could lie ahead. Show Notes · The Heritage Foundation · Public Discourse · Ethics and Public Policy Center (EPPC)

After revealing some details of their personal lives, Carl and Todd get down to business. Seems a disturbing phenomenon is plaguing churches all over the country. Since the lockdown, many Christians have become too comfortable with worshipping from home over a screen…dressed in their jammies, eating donuts, and—quite possibly—not really worshipping at all. Does it really matter? What are people missing by not going back to church as restrictions are slowly being lifted? Our favorite duo discuss the meaning and importance of “being bodily present” for the different traditions like the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and the Protestant. Is there any place for live streaming, and any reason not to physically gather for worship? It’s time to weigh in. Oh, and notice who’s playing the optimist this time! Today's program originally aired 9/30/20.