Marvel Versus Marvel

To celebrate our 6th Anniversary we’re taking a special look at one of the most absurd Marvel Comics of all time featuring The Avengers and Dr Doom! Since Avengers Doomsday is happening in a few months we went back to 1968 to explore the very first time Dr Doom faced down The Avengers! This is an episode of our “Obscure Marvel” bonus show that happens every month on Patreon for our supporters - released from behind the paywall to celebrate the 6th Anniversary of MVM. For awesome bonus episodes visit https://www.patreon.com/marvelversusmarvel [email protected] https://www.instagram.com/marvelversusmarvel https://twitter.com/marvelversus https://twitter.com/robhalden https://robhalden.com https://will-preston.co.uk

It’s 1978 and in The New Fantastic Four cartoon Johnny Storm has been replaced by an RDD2 knockoff - was the Human Torch too dangerous for TV? Were children really at risk of setting themselves on fire? We’ll take you behind-the-scenes on the DISASTROUS making of this infamous Seventies cartoon and everything that went wrong, including TWO legal battles over the right to Marvel’s characters! We’ll also take you behind-the-page on the Fantastic Four in the Seventies to look at the seismic split between Jack Kirby and Stan Lee, the split between Sue Storm and Reed Richards, and how the FF came to reflect the rise of feminism and divorce rates in America! Then we’ll deep-dive 3 episodes of the series to bring you all our reactions and thoughts, all the history and trivia, and all the Marvel Connections hiding in the IMDB pages of the cast! Plus we'll spend time with the Impossible Man, the strange death of Galactus, the darkest Human Torch story ever told, the last comic book Stan Lee and Jack Kirby ever did "together", and the worst Magneto ever committed to page or screen! Episodes In The Deep Dive Include; Ep. 2 - The Menace of Magneto Ep. 9 - The Frightful Four Ep. 11 - The Impossible Man For awesome bonus episodes visit https://www.patreon.com/marvelversusmarvel [email protected] https://www.instagram.com/marvelversusmarvel https://twitter.com/marvelversus https://twitter.com/robhalden https://robhalden.com https://will-preston.co.uk

It’s 1978 and in The New Fantastic Four cartoon Johnny Storm has been replaced by an RDD2 knockoff - was the Human Torch too dangerous for TV? Were children really at risk of setting themselves on fire? We’ll take you behind-the-scenes on the DISASTROUS making of this infamous Seventies cartoon and everything that went wrong, including TWO legal battles over the right to Marvel’s characters! We’ll also take you behind-the-page on the Fantastic Four in the Seventies to look at the seismic split between Jack Kirby and Stan Lee, the split between Sue Storm and Reed Richards, and how the FF came to reflect the rise of feminism and divorce rates in America! Then we’ll deep-dive 3 episodes of the series to bring you all our reactions and thoughts, all the history and trivia, and all the Marvel Connections hiding in the IMDB pages of the cast! Plus we'll spend time with the Impossible Man, the strange death of Galactus, the darkest Human Torch story ever told, the last comic book Stan Lee and Jack Kirby ever did "together", and the worst Magneto ever committed to page or screen! Episodes In The Deep Dive Include; Ep. 2 - The Menace of Magneto Ep. 9 - The Frightful Four Ep. 11 - The Impossible Man For awesome bonus episodes visit https://www.patreon.com/marvelversusmarvel [email protected] https://www.instagram.com/marvelversusmarvel https://twitter.com/marvelversus https://twitter.com/robhalden https://robhalden.com https://will-preston.co.uk

This week we head back into the MVM Archives to bring you the story of the making of Marvel’s first ever X-Men movie - Generation X! Before Hugh Jackman and Patrick Stewart reinvented the superhero movie in the year 2000, Marvel teamed up with the Fox Network to make this low budget 1996 TV movie. Jubilee, Emma Frost, Banshee, and a whole host of young X-Men characters were brought to live-action for the very first time, but with a budget so low the action and special effects became painful to watch. For awesome bonus episodes visit https://www.patreon.com/marvelversusmarvel [email protected] https://www.instagram.com/marvelversusmarvel https://twitter.com/marvelversus https://twitter.com/robhalden https://robhalden.com https://will-preston.co.uk

To celebrate the 85th Anniversary of Captain America, we’re exploring Cap’s 1979 TV movie, and Marvel’s 70s Cinematic Universe! We’ll dig into the deal between Marvel Comics, Universal Television, and CBS that brought us TV movies and TV shows starring The Amazing Spider-Man, The Incredible Hulk, Dr Strange, and Captain America! We'll get into how the deal began and how it all fell apart, how the Captain America TV movie was made, why Reb Brown was cast as Steve Rogers, and how the film nearly ended the career of the director before it had ever begun! We'll also pay special attention to the Captain America comic books of the 1970's, how they took influence from the shifting sands of America's social and political climate, and how the Seventies transformed Captain America into a true rebel! Then we’ll deep-dive the movie itself, pull it apart scene-by-scene and dig into everything this movie got right (the bike) and everything it got wrong! Plus we've packed the episode with tons of unexplored Marvel history and trivia about the Super Soldier Serum, the SECOND origin of Captain America, the Super Soldiers who also got powers in the war, how Marvel tied their Golden Age characters into their Silver Age characters, and tons more! Plus we've got all the Marvel Connections of every actor in this movie, no matter how tenuous or strenuous they may be! For awesome bonus episodes visit https://www.patreon.com/marvelversusmarvel [email protected] https://www.instagram.com/marvelversusmarvel https://twitter.com/marvelversus https://twitter.com/robhalden https://robhalden.com https://will-preston.co.uk

To celebrate the 85th Anniversary of Captain America, we’re exploring Cap’s 1979 TV movie, and Marvel’s 70s Cinematic Universe! We’ll dig into the deal between Marvel Comics, Universal Television, and CBS that brought us TV movies and TV shows starring The Amazing Spider-Man, The Incredible Hulk, Dr Strange, and Captain America! We'll get into how the deal began and how it all fell apart, how the Captain America TV movie was made, why Reb Brown was cast as Steve Rogers, and how the film nearly ended the career of the director before it had ever begun! We'll also pay special attention to the Captain America comic books of the 1970's, how they took influence from the shifting sands of America's social and political climate, and how the Seventies transformed Captain America into a true rebel! Then we’ll deep-dive the movie itself, pull it apart scene-by-scene and dig into everything this movie got right (the bike) and everything it got wrong! Plus we've packed the episode with tons of unexplored Marvel history and trivia about the Super Soldier Serum, the SECOND origin of Captain America, the Super Soldiers who also got powers in the war, how Marvel tied their Golden Age characters into their Silver Age characters, and tons more! Plus we've got all the Marvel Connections of every actor in this movie, no matter how tenuous or strenuous they may be! For awesome bonus episodes visit https://www.patreon.com/marvelversusmarvel [email protected] https://www.instagram.com/marvelversusmarvel https://twitter.com/marvelversus https://twitter.com/robhalden https://robhalden.com https://will-preston.co.uk

This week we head into the MVM archives to take you behind the scenes on the making of Wolverine’s last stand in the 2017 Logan movie! We’ll take you through all the Box Office numbers for every movie Wolverine has fronted, and then explore James Mangold’s process for creating one of the best Marvel movies of all time! We’ll look into Mangold’s influences, from classic Westerns like “Shane” to Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight Trilogy. We’ll explore Hugh Jackman’s decision to never play Wolverine ever again … and why that didn’t last long. We’ll also find out how and why the movie got an R rating, how it made history at the Academy Awards, and which classic villain was meant to play a big role before cut from the final draft of the screenplay! For awesome bonus episodes visit https://www.patreon.com/marvelversusmarvel [email protected] https://www.instagram.com/marvelversusmarvel https://twitter.com/marvelversus https://twitter.com/robhalden https://robhalden.com https://will-preston.co.uk

ct the terrible wigs, the special effects, the script, the acting, and everything else! We'll get to the bottom of what this show did right and what it did so terribly wrong! Plus we'll bring you TONS of Marvel history and trivia on Black Bolt, Medusa, Maximus, the Terrigen Mists, the city of Attilan, and the secret history of every single Marvel superhero! For awesome bonus episodes visit https://www.patreon.com/marvelversusmarvel [email protected] https://www.instagram.com/marvelversusmarvel https://twitter.com/marvelversus https://twitter.com/robhalden https://robhalden.com https://will-preston.co.uk

ct the terrible wigs, the special effects, the script, the acting, and everything else! We'll get to the bottom of what this show did right and what it did so terribly wrong! Plus we'll bring you TONS of Marvel history and trivia on Black Bolt, Medusa, Maximus, the Terrigen Mists, the city of Attilan, and the secret history of every single Marvel superhero! For awesome bonus episodes visit https://www.patreon.com/marvelversusmarvel [email protected] https://www.instagram.com/marvelversusmarvel https://twitter.com/marvelversus https://twitter.com/robhalden https://robhalden.com https://will-preston.co.uk

This week we head into the MVM Archives to find out what happened to Edgar Wright's Ant-Man movie? The acclaimed "Shaun Of The Dead" writer/director was attached to the Marvel project for 8 years, and was the entire reason Paul Rudd was cast as the superhero. So what was Edgar's vision for Ant-Man, and why did it never happen? For awesome bonus episodes visit https://www.patreon.com/marvelversusmarvel [email protected] https://www.instagram.com/marvelversusmarvel https://twitter.com/marvelversus https://twitter.com/robhalden https://robhalden.com https://will-preston.co.uk

This week we take you for a wild ride uncovering the forgotten Marvel TV show from 1997 - Nightman! A jazz playing superhero that Marvel absorbed into the Marvel Universe when they purchased their rivals, Malibu Comics! We’ll explore the history of Malibu Comics and the creation of “The Ultraverse”. We’ll dig into the relationship between Marvel and famed TV producer Glen A. Larson, the man behind hits like Knight Rider, Buck Rogers, and Magnum PI! Then we’ll pull apart this low budget action-adventure TV show scene-by-scene to break down all of its bad acting, terrible special effects, and saxophone playing! Plus, we’ll bring you the history of Nightman and the Ultraverse, his crazy origins and powers, and the wild Marvel crossovers where Nightman fights Loki, Gambit, and Wolverine! For awesome bonus episodes visit https://www.patreon.com/marvelversusmarvel [email protected] https://www.instagram.com/marvelversusmarvel https://twitter.com/marvelversus https://twitter.com/robhalden https://robhalden.com https://will-preston.co.uk

This week we take you for a wild ride uncovering the forgotten Marvel TV show from 1997 - Nightman! A jazz playing superhero that Marvel absorbed into the Marvel Universe when they purchased their rivals, Malibu Comics! We’ll explore the history of Malibu Comics and the creation of “The Ultraverse”. We’ll dig into the relationship between Marvel and famed TV producer Glen A. Larson, the man behind hits like Knight Rider, Buck Rogers, and Magnum PI! Then we’ll pull apart this low budget action-adventure TV show scene-by-scene to break down all of its bad acting, terrible special effects, and saxophone playing! Plus, we’ll bring you the history of Nightman and the Ultraverse, his crazy origins and powers, and the wild Marvel crossovers where Nightman fights Loki, Gambit, and Wolverine! For awesome bonus episodes visit https://www.patreon.com/marvelversusmarvel [email protected] https://www.instagram.com/marvelversusmarvel https://twitter.com/marvelversus https://twitter.com/robhalden https://robhalden.com https://will-preston.co.uk

This week we head into the archives to deep-dive into the making of Marvel’s first billion dollar movie - The Avengers! We’ll explore the 4 year process that started with Iron Man in 2008, from the script changes, the casting problems, the Avengers characters that were cut out, Ed Norton’s feud with Marvel Studios, the huge marketing campaign to promote the film, the official Avengers PERFUMES that was created, and the full Box Office breakdown! For awesome bonus episodes visit https://www.patreon.com/marvelversusmarvel [email protected] https://www.instagram.com/marvelversusmarvel https://twitter.com/marvelversus https://twitter.com/robhalden https://robhalden.com https://will-preston.co.uk

Rob and Will take a deep-dive into what is easily the worst X-Men movie ever made, the 2019 Dark Phoenix! The 19 year Fox X-Men saga comes to a sad end as we explore the disastrous production process of this movie - from the plans to the executions, from the disagreements with the studio, to the painful test screenings, the re-writes and the re-shoots, all through to the god-awful reviews! We'll also go behind-the-page on the history of the Dark Phoenix comics, and what makes it the greatest Marvel story of all time! Then we take a deep-dive into the Dark Phoenix movie, pull it apart scene-by-scene, bring you all the obscure Marvel Connections, debate everything good and everything crappy about the film, see how it compares to X-Men Last Stand, bring you tons of X-Men history and trivia, and FINALLY decide on what is the WORST Marvel movie we've ever covered on the podcast! For awesome bonus episodes visit https://www.patreon.com/marvelversusmarvel [email protected] https://www.instagram.com/marvelversusmarvel https://twitter.com/marvelversus https://twitter.com/robhalden https://robhalden.com https://will-preston.co.uk

Rob and Will take a deep-dive into what is easily the worst X-Men movie ever made, the 2019 Dark Phoenix! The 19 year Fox X-Men saga comes to a sad end as we explore the disastrous production process of this movie - from the plans to the executions, from the disagreements with the studio, to the painful test screenings, the re-writes and the re-shoots, all through to the god-awful reviews! We'll also go behind-the-page on the history of the Dark Phoenix comics, and what makes it the greatest Marvel story of all time! Then we take a deep-dive into the Dark Phoenix movie, pull it apart scene-by-scene, bring you all the obscure Marvel Connections, debate everything good and everything crappy about the film, see how it compares to X-Men Last Stand, bring you tons of X-Men history and trivia, and FINALLY decide on what is the WORST Marvel movie we've ever covered on the podcast! For awesome bonus episodes visit https://www.patreon.com/marvelversusmarvel [email protected] https://www.instagram.com/marvelversusmarvel https://twitter.com/marvelversus https://twitter.com/robhalden https://robhalden.com https://will-preston.co.uk