Horns of a Dilemma

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, TNSR's executive editor, Doyle Hodges, sits down with Laurie Blank, clinical professor of law and director of the International Law Clinic at Emory University, and Bobby Chesney, James Baker Chair in the Rule of Law and World Affairs and director of the Strauss Center for International Security and Law at the University of Texas, Austin. They discuss the field of national security law broadly, including why Americans have turned increasingly to law to address questions related to national security, even as public confidence in institutions associated with law has declined. They also dive into how law confers legitimacy on the process of national security decision-making and what the limitations of law are in addressing national security questions. Join us for a fascinating discussion on law, security, technology, and society.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, John Gans, director of communications and research at Perry World House at the University of Pennsylvania, sits down with several members of the University of Texas faculty to discuss his new book, White House Warriors: How the National Security Council Transformed the American Way of War. The discussion is led by William Inboden, editor-in-chief of the Texas National Security Review and director of the Clements Center, Steve Slick, director of the Intelligence Studies Project and former director and senior director for intelligence programs at the National Security Council, and Aaron O'Connell, a veteran of the National Sescurity Council staff and faculty fellow at the Clements Center. The discussion dives into the role of the National Security Council and the challenges it faces. They also discuss Gans' process in researching and writing White House Warriors.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, retired General Amos Yadlin sits down with Steve Slick, director of the Intelligence Studies Project, to discuss Middle East security and Israeli security concerns. Slick and General Yadlin also engage in a conversation about the role of Israel in the middle east, the future of Israel, and questions regarding security in the region. General Yadlin served in the Israeli Armed Forces for over forty years as an air force officer and as the director of Israeli Military Intelligence. This talk took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was sponsored by the Intelligence Studies Project, the Robert Strauss Center for International Security and Law, and the Clements Center for National Security.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, retired Gen. Vincent Brooks sits down with William Inboden, executive director of the Clements Center. The conversation spans Gen. Brooks' career from his days as a cadet at West Point, where he was the first African American appointed to serve as first captain, all the way through his retirement after thirty-eight and a half years as a four star general commanding all U.S., U.N., and combined U.S. and Korean forces on the Korean peninsula. This talk took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was sponsored by the Clements Center and the Strauss Center.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, William Inboden, executive director of the Clements Center for National Security, and Robert Chesney, director of the Strauss Center for International Security and Law, sit down with Texas congressman Mac Thornberry for a wide-ranging discussion on defense policy. Congressman Thornberry is a ranking member of the House Armed Services Committee and served as chairman of the Armed Services Committee from January 2015 to January 2019. This talk took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was sponsored by the Clements Center and the Strauss Center.

Where are we 18 years after 9/11? What is the nature of the phenomenon of terrorism now and what challenges does America face today? What security strategies are currently in place and have they worked? Paul Pope, senior fellow at the Intelligence Studies Project, moderates a panel on counterterrorism since 9/11. Paul is joined by John Brennan, former CIA director, retired Adm. William McRaven, former commander of the Special Operations Command, Farah Pandith, author and former National Security Council and State Department official, and Nicholas Rasmussen, former National Counterterrorism Center director. This talk took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was sponsored by the Intelligence Studies Project, the LBJ School of Public Affairs, the Robert Strauss Center for International Security and Law, and the Clements Center for National Security.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, Jim Goldgeier, professor and former dean of the American University School of International Service, and Derek Chollet, current executive vice president of the German Marshall Fund, discuss their 2008 book, America Between the Wars: From 11/9 to 9/11 and the arc of post-cold war American foreign policy. In this podcast, they've included another 11/9, referring not to the end of the Cold War, but to Nov. 9, 2016, the day after the election of Donald Trump. This talk was recorded during the University of Texas Clements Center's Summer Seminar on History, Statecraft, and Diplomacy.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, chair of the Texas National Security Review Editorial Board Frank Gavin interviews political scientist Robert Jervis. In a wide-ranging interview that reaches all the way back to Jervis' undergraduate days at Oberlin College in the late 1950's, Gavin explores the factors which shaped Jervis' career, the state of the political science field today, especially as it relates to security studies, and how political scientists deal with challenges ranging from the expansiveness of their theoretical claims to balancing political considerations in policy-relevant work. This interview was recorded during the University of Texas Clements Center's Summer Seminar on History, Statecraft, and Diplomacy.

This episode of Horns of a Dilemma expands on a recent roundtable in the Texas National Security Review that examines the question of adopting a nuclear no-first-use policy. Dr. John Harvey, a scientist and former senior Defense Department official, and Jon Wolfsthal, a former senior adviser to President Barack Obama, debate whether such a policy adds or detracts from stability in the event of a crisis, and how it affects the calculus of deterrence. Dr. Harvey and Mr. Wolfsthal also discuss topics ranging from the reliability of nuclear command and control to the credibility of signaling resolve, and how such issues would be affected by a no-first-use policy. You can read the full roundtable, which includes essays by Harvey, and Wolfsthal, as well as Professor Nina Tannenwald writing on nuclear no-first-use, and Professors Rachel Whitlark and Brendan Green writing on sole nuclear launch authority, on our website: tnsr.org.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, James B. Steinberg, a professor at the Syracuse University Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs, who also served as deputy secretary of state in the Obama administration and deputy national security adviser under President Bill Clinton, discusses the process and considerations that led to the signing of the 1998 Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland. Based on his first-hand experience as a participant in the process, Steinberg explains how the parties involved were able to come to an agreement that allowed all of them to preserve their most important positions while finding space for compromise in order to end the violence. Steinberg's talk, which builds on his recent article in the Texas National Security Review, was recorded as part of the University of Texas Clements Center Summer Seminar on History, Statecraft, and Diplomacy.

Throughout history, how have Americans thought about their own self-defense? Have they always thought about it like they do today — as expansive, global, and ideological? Andrew Preston discusses these questions by looking at the history of the idea of national security and how it is different today than in the past, the topic of his current book project. This talk took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was sponsored by the Clements Center. Andrew Preston is Professor of American History and a Fellow of Clare College at Cambridge University. His work focuses on war and foreign relations, including how it intersects with domestic politics and culture. He is the author or editor of seven books, including Sword of the Spirit, Shield of Faith: Religion in American War and Diplomacy (Knopf, 2012) and, most recently, American Foreign Relations: A Very Short Introduction (Oxford, 2019).

In a conversation between Paul Pope and Seth Jones, Jones talks about his latest book, A Covert Action: Reagan, the CIA, and the Cold War Struggle in Poland. He discusses Reagan's approach to the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe and how the CIA aided Poland's opposition movement by helping it to run an underground media campaign, which, ultimately, helped it survive the onslaught from the regime. Pope and Jones also discuss the conditions that set up covert action for success. Here's a hint: Don't try to bake the whole cake. This event was co-sponsored by the Intelligence Studies Project, the Clements Center, and the Strauss Center. Seth Jones is the Harold Brown chair at the Center for Strategic & International Studies, where he is also director of the Transnational Threats Project and senior adviser for the International Security Program. Dr. Jones teaches at Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies and the Center for Homeland Defense and Security at the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School.

In our latest episode of Horns, we get to hear from Col. Liam Collins, who dissects how Russia used hybrid warfare in Georgia, what it learned from that experience, and how it applied those lessons in Ukraine, allowing it to take Crimea without firing a single shot. He also discusses Russia's goals in Eastern Europe and how those countries can deter the "big bear." Col. Collins is a career Special Forces officer and director of the Modern War Institute at West Point. This event took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was co-sponsored by the Strauss Center and the Clements Center.

This episode of Horns of a Dilemma is part of a special series of live episodes bringing you into the room at the 2019 Intelligence Studies Project Symposium at the University of Texas at Austin. In this final installment, Susan Gordon, principal deputy director of national intelligence, delivers the keynote address to the 2019 ISP Symposium. Following her address, she sat down with Stephen Slick, director of the Intelligence Studies Project, to discuss intelligence in transition. The event was sponsored by the Robert Strauss Center for International Security and Law, the Clements Center for National Security, and the LBJ School of Public Affairs.

This episode of Horns of a Dilemma is part of a special series of live episodes bringing you into the room at the 2019 Intelligence Studies Project Symposium at the University of Texas at Austin. In this second installment, Robert Chesney, director of the Strauss Center for International Security and Law, moderates a panel on emerging threats, technology challenges, and institutional change. The panelists include Michelle Van Cleave, former national counterintelligence executive, Matthew Travis, deputy director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Agency, Samantha Ravich, fellow at the Foundation for Defense and Democracies, Michael Daniel, former special assistant to the president and White House cybersecurity coordinator, and John Carlin, former assistant attorney general for national security. The event was sponsored by the Robert Strauss Center for International Security and Law, the Clements Center for National Security, and the LBJ School of Public Affairs.

This episode of Horns of a Dilemma is part of a special series of live episodes bringing you into the room at the 2019 Intelligence Studies Project Symposium at the University of Texas at Austin. In this first installment, Ellen Nakashima, national security reporter at the Washington Post, sits down with John Demers, assistant attorney general for national security, to discuss law enforcement responses to new threats. The event was sponsored by the Robert Strauss Center for International Security and Law, the Clements Center for National Security, and the LBJ School of Public Affairs.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, Stephen Tankel, associate professor in the School of International Service at American University and associate editor of the Texas National Security Review, discusses his recently published book, With Us and Against Us: How America's Partners Help and Hinder the War on Terror. This talk took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was sponsored by the Clements Center.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, Aaron O'Connell, associate professor of U.S. military history at the University of Texas at Austin, sits down with Charles Edel, senior fellow at the United States Studies Centre, to discuss his new book co-written with Hal Brands, The Lessons of Tragedy: Statecraft and World Order. This talk took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was sponsored by the Clements Center.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, Wen-Qing Ngoei, assistant professor of history at Nanyang Technological University in Singapore, argues that British neo-colonial strategies and anti-communist nationalism in Southeast Asia intersected with pre-existing local antipathy towards China to prompt a shift in the region from European-dominated colonialism to U.S. hegemony. This talk took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was sponsored by the Clements Center.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, William Hitchcock, the William W. Corcoran professor of history at the University of Virginia, discusses President Dwight Eisenhower and America's role in the world in the 1950s and its enduring relevance today. Professor Hitchcock is the author of numerous books, most recently Age of Eisenhower: America and the World in the 1950s. This talk took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was sponsored by the Clements Center.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, Will Inboden, executive director of the Clements Center for National Security at the University of Texas at Austin, moderates a discussion on authoritarian interference in democracies. The panel features Jamie Fly, senior fellow and director of the Future of Geopolitics and Asia Program at the German Marshall Fund of the United States and Laura Rosenberger, director of the Alliance for Securing Democracy and a senior fellow at the German Marshall Fund of the United States. This talk took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was sponsored by the Clements Center.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, Mark Pomar, senior national security fellow at the Clements Center for National Security and the former CEO and president of the U.S.-Russia Foundation, discusses what we need to know about Russia under Vladimir Putin, and how Putin's leadership is affecting U.S.-Russia ties. This talk took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was sponsored by the Clements Center.

How have recent Nuclear Posture Reviews — which outline the role nuclear weapons play in U.S. national security strategy — addressed the question of strategic stability? Here to talk about it is Sharon Weiner, associate professor at American University and currently a visiting research scholar at Princeton University's Woodrow Wilson School. Dr. Weiner previously served at the Office of Management and Budget, in the Office of Senator Al Franken, the House Armed Services Committee, and more. This talk took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was sponsored by the Clements Center.

This episode of Horns of a Dilemma is part of a special series of live episodes bringing you into the room at the fifth annual Texas National Security Forum. In this final installment, Josh Eisenman, faculty fellow at the Clements Center for National Security and Distinguished Scholar at the Robert Strauss Center for International Security and Law, moderated a discussion on China. He was joined by Christopher Johnson, former Central Intelligence Agency analyst, Kelly Magsamen, former principal deputy assistant secretary of defense for Asian and Pacific Affairs, and Jim Steinberg, former deputy secretary of state. The event was sponsored by the Clements Center, the Strauss Center, and the Clements-Strauss Intelligence Studies Project.

This episode of Horns of a Dilemma is part of a special series of live episodes bringing you into the room at the fifth annual Texas National Security Forum. In this next installment, Celeste Ward Gventer, associate director of the Clements Center for National Security, moderated a discussion entitled "Strategies, Tactics, and Tools." She was joined by Elbridge Colby, former deputy assistant secretary of defense, Peter Feaver, former special advisor for strategic planning at the National Security Council, Mary Beth Long, former assistant secretary of defense, and Andrew May of the Office of Net Assessment at the Department of Defense. The event was sponsored by the Clements Center, the Strauss Center, and the Clements-Strauss Intelligence Studies Project.

This episode of Horns of a Dilemma is part of a series of special live episodes bringing you into the room at the Fifth Annual Texas National Security Forum. This next installment is the forums keynote address by Senator Ben Sasse. The Senator was introduced by Admiral Bobby Inman, Centennial Chair in National Policy at the LBJ School of Public Affairs. This event was sponsored by the Clements Center, the Strauss Center, and the Clements-Strauss Intelligence Studies Project.

This episode of Horns of a Dilemma is part of a series of special live episodes bringing you into the room at the Fifth Annual Texas National Security Forum. In this keynote conversation, Stephen Slick, Director of the Intelligence Studies Project at the University of Texas at Austin, moderated a discussion with Senator Richard Burr, Chairman of the Select Committee on Intelligence, Senator Mark Warner, Vice Chairman of the Select Committee on Intelligence, and Senator John Cornyn, Member of the Select Committee on Intelligence. Gregory Fenves, President of the University of Texas at Austin, introduced the panel. This event was sponsored by the Clements Center, the Strauss Center, and the Clements-Strauss Intelligence Studies Project.

This episode of Horns of a Dilemma is part of a series of special live episodes bringing you into the room at the Fifth Annual Texas National Security Forum. In this second installment, Mary Neuburger of the University of Texas moderated a discussion with General Phillip Breedlove, Former Supreme Allied Commander Europe, Evelyn Farkas, Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Russia, Ukraine, and Eurasia, and Daniel Fried, Former Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs. This event was sponsored by the Clements Center, the Strauss Center, and the Clements-Strauss Intelligence Studies Project.

This episode of Horns of a Dilemma is part of a series of special live episodes bringing you into the room at the Fifth Annual Texas National Security Forum. In this first installment, Lorinc Redei of the LBJ School of Public Affairs, moderated a discussion with Antony Blinken, former Deputy Secretary of State, Eric Edelman, former Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, and Kristen Silverberg, former Ambassador to the European Union. This event was sponsored by the Clements Center, the Strauss Center, and the Clements-Strauss Intelligence Studies Project.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, Philip Gorski, Professor of Sociology and Director of Graduate Studies at Yale University, discusses the role of civil religion in American life. This talk took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was sponsored by the Clements Center.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, Arne Westad, the S.T. Lee Professor of U.S.-Asia Relations at Harvard University, discusses the Cold War roots of today's geopolitical trends - specifically, the competition between the United States, Russia, and China. This talk took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was sponsored by the Clements Center.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, Sam Kleiner, author of the new book The Flying Tigers, tells the story behind the American pilots who were secretly recruited to defend the nation's desperate Chinese allies before Pearl Harbor and ended up on the front lines of the war against the Japanese in the Pacific. This talk took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was sponsored by the Clements Center.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, Joshua Busby, an Associate Professor at the LBJ School of Public Affairs, and Ashley Moran, the State Fragility Initiative Director at the Strauss Center, discuss a new report they published for USAID on the double burden of climate exposure and state fragility. This discussion took place at the University of Texas at Austin. Music and Production by Tre Hester

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, Representative Joaquin Castro, who serves Texas' 20th District, discusses the role of the United States in the world and the role of Congress in foreign policy. This conversation took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was sponsored by the Strauss Center and the Clements Center.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, Sarah Snyder, Associate Professor at the School of International Service at American University, talks about her latest book, From Selma to Moscow: How Human Rights Activists Transformed U.S. Foreign Policy. This talk took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was sponsored by the Clements Center and the LBJ School Research Colloquium.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, Joshua Shifrinson, Assistant Professor of International Relations with the Pardee School of Global Studies at Boston University, gives a talk on his recently released book, Rising Titans, Falling Giants: How Great Powers Exploit Power Shifts. Shifrinson focuses on the policies that rising states adopt toward their declining competitors in response to declining states' policies, and what that means for the relationship between the two. This talk took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was hosted by the Strauss Center and Clements Center.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, Will Inboden, the Director of the Clements Center and the Editor-in-Chief of TNSR, moderates a discussion at the Texas Tribune Festival. The panelists include former CIA Director John Brennan, former Commander of the U.S. Special Operations Command William McRaven, former Director of the National Counterterrorism Center Nicholas Rasmussen, and Chief Foreign Correspondent for NBC News Richard Engel.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, Danielle Pletka, the Senior Vice President for Foreign and Defense Policy Studies at the American Enterprise Institute, discusses a broad array of issues related to the Middle East and Israel. This talk took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was hosted by the Clements Center.

In this episode of Horns of a Dilemma, Frank Lavin, a former Department of Commerce official (currently at Export Now) discusses his latest book Home Front to Battlefront. Lavin looks at the history of World War II through the eyes of the soldiers that fought the war. This talk took place at the University of Texas at Austin and was hosted by the Clements Center.

In this episode we have part two of a two-part discussion about the national security dimensions of food insecurity with former UT chancellor and former commander of Special Operations Command retired Adm. William McRaven and Congressman Michael McCaul, Chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security. Moderating this discussion is Chris Tomlinson of the Houston Chronicle. This event took place at the University of Texas at Austin. It was sponsored by the Clements Center and Strauss Center, and was co-sponsored by the LBJ School and the Innovations for Peace and Development.

Welcome to Horns of a Dilemma, the podcast of the Texas National Security Review. In this episode, we have part one of a two-part discussion about the national security dimensions of food insecurity with former UT chancellor and former commander of Special Operations Command retired Adm. William McRaven and Congressman Michael McCaul, Chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security. Moderating this discussion is Chris Tomlinson of the Houston Chronicle. This event took place at the University of Texas at Austin. It was sponsored by the Clements Center and Strauss Center, and was co-sponsored by the LBJ School and the Innovations for Peace and Development.

Half a century later, the Vietnam War continues to shape U.S. foreign policy, from its debates over foreign intervention to the institutions of its military. Why does the war remain such a poignant influence, and what lessons have policymakers, scholars, and the public learned (or failed to learn) from America's disastrous campaign in Southeast Asia? WOTR Managing Editor Usha Sahay had the chance to discuss the legacy of Vietnam with an all-star cast in Austin, Texas.

When it comes to cyber-security, the United States seems to be perpetually behind the 8-ball. A provision in the new defense bill seeks to solve this. Down in Austin, the dream team of experts explains the Cyber Solarium: an exercise in strategic planning inspired by an early Cold War planning cell. Starting with the Eisenhower-era roots of this concept, Will Inboden, Celeste Ward Gventer, Bobby Chesney, and Stephen Slick explain how the Cyber Solarium, an initiative of Sen. Ben Sasse, is described in law and will play out. As Slick explains, a key player in the success of this venture will be the intelligence community. Will they support it with their best and brightest?

From world leaders, to commercial titans, to scholars, more and more people are coming to believe that advances in artificial intelligence will change the world in dramatic ways. From the workplace to the military balance of power, the shifts, we are told, will be radical. But is this the case? In the third issue of the Texas National Security Review, Michael Horowitz of Penn has written the most comprehensive article weighing how and why artificial intelligence could matter when it comes to national security arena and the balance of power. Listen to Ryan Evans, the publisher of TNSR, chat to Michael about his article and these potentially earth-shaking technological advances that stand before us.

In the third issue of the Texas National Security Review, Michael Mazarr of RAND and Michael Kofman of CNA warn decision-makers in Washington against doubling down on U.S. military and geopolitical predominance lest they transform the global stage into something far more confrontational and zero-sum than it needs to be. Despite the often odious behavior of those ruling Russia and China, Mazarr and Kofman point to the prospective benefits of "a new U.S. approach to international affairs" that would treat these two powers "with a degree of political respect and legitimacy, rather than as miscreants opposed to the true and right vision of the future." As they write in their essay: "This does not mean that the United States should abandon its efforts to hold them to some standard. Quite the contrary. It is only by reining in its absolutism and behaving in a more multilateral and flexible fashion that the United States is likely to gain the global support it needs to sustain the most essential rules of the post-war order."

For the third issue of TNSR, Julie Smith - a former government official and CNAS senior fellow - writes in the Strategist section on her efforts to engage Americans across the country on the value of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization as well as our deep political and economic relationships with the nations of Europe. Check out the rest of issue three at tnsr.org

Mutual mistrust, saber-rattling, and heated rhetoric define the U.S. relationship with Russia. If it looks like a new Cold War and smells like a new Cold War, is it a new Cold War? If it's not, what is it? From the 1990s to the present, how did we get here? Why did the West's hopes for Russia in the aftermath of the Cold War dissolve? How does Russia view its current strategic position? What are the limits of its growing influence in the Middle East and other regions? How long will Putin remain in power? What should the United States do about Russia? Can they make a deal? In a wide-ranging, fascinating, and intellectually rich speech, Angela Stent tackles these questions and more. Stent is the director of the Center for Eurasian, Russian and East European Studies (CERES) and a professor in the Department of Government and the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University. She is also a non-resident senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. Stent is the author of many books and articles on the relationships between the United States, Russia and Europe. She is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, the Advisory Board of the Eurasia Foundation, and of Supporters of Civil Society in Russia. Stent previously served as a member of the advisory panel for NATO's Supreme Allied Commander in Europe and on the World Economic Forum's Global Agenda Council for Russia and Central Asia. She is the former National Intelligence Officer for Russia and Eurasia at the National Intelligence Council (2004-2006) and staff member in the Office of Policy Planning at the U.S. Department of State (1999-2001).

In our last episode of Horns of a Dilemma, we featured a speech by Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence. At the very same conference​, organized by the Intelligence Studies Project -- a collaborative effort of the Strauss and Clements Centers down at the University of Texas -- there was a fascinating conversation moderated by Michele L. Malvesti of Tufts University, that featured John McLaughlin, the former Acting Director of Central Intelligence, Nicholas Rasmussen, former Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, and Norman Roule, former National Intelligence Manager for Iran.

What challenges confront the U.S. intelligence community in the 21st century? There are few better positioned to know the answers to that question than Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence. The Intelligence Studies Program, a collaborative initiative of the Strauss Center and the Clements Center down at the University of Texas, held a major conference recently where Coats was the keynote speaker. Listen to his wide-ranging remarks on North Korea, Russia, China, cyber-security, terrorism, and how the United States is a bit like the New York Yankees. Hear why, for Coats, America's ability to handle these challenges depends on a talented and more capable workforce. And hear why Coats is treating the reform of the security clearance process as an urgent issue.

This is Horns of a Dilemma, the podcast partner to that journal, which features the thinkers and leaders resident at the various institutions of the University of Texas and those who stop in to share their wisdom. On the latest episode of Horns of a Dilemma, we have Amy Zegart, who was hosted at the University of Texas as a part of the Strauss Center's Brumley Speaker Series. You should know who Amy is already, but if you don't she is co-director of the Stanford Center for International Security and Cooperation and the Davies Family Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution. To call this a talk about cybersecurity would be accurate, but it wouldn't do this wide-ranging and fascinating episode justice.