Heterodorx

Razib Khan is a Bangladeshi-American writer in population genetics and consumer genomics (wikipedia). He identifies as a Coconut, and is a repeat member of Club Cancel, getting denounced by friends and associates approximately every 6 months. He and the Dorx start the episode by erasing as many ethnicities, religions, and genders as they can. Then Khan recounts the sorry tale of Scientific American (a science fiction magazine) and late great biologist E.O. Wilson. Our smart and funny guest is all bravado and self-confidence until Nina asks him to define “woman,” the question that brings even the toughest intellectuals to their knees.Setting the record straight: open letter on E.O. Wilson's legacy: https://razib.substack.com/p/setting-the-record-straight-open--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Trans YouTuber, media manager of Gender Dysphoria Alliance, and eminent voice of reason Mars F has long been a target of more extreme trans rights activists; now Mars is also receiving abuse from "the other side." “Transmen are our sisters” is an old TERF saying, but some aren’t acting very sisterly today. Mars also shares some cringey transition delusions from more naive times; a personal account of testosterone’s health consequences; and the secret of looking young (“don’t stay up late and don’t do crack”). Relax and enjoy the soothing sound of reasonable people talking reasonably.Mars’s Youtube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK792gI7-zEik0tB1Ok0l6QMars on Twitter: https://twitter.com/UpperhandMarsGender Dysphoria Alliance: https://www.genderdysphoriaalliance.com/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Dorx enjoy a lively and information-packed conversation with Dr. Carole Hooven, author of T: The Story of Testosterone, the Hormone that Dominates and Divides Us. Curious and compassionate, she expresses grief that Corinna never got a chance to f**k his brains out with other boys. Nina is full of questions: can females have Complete Androgen Insensitivity? What happens to ovaries in menopause? How do you define woman? Hooven wants to know what made Nina “peak trans,” so Nina briefly recounts her TERFening in 2017-2018. Corinna, who needs to eat more carbs and put on some body fat because endogenous sex steroid production relies on cholesterol, shares some thoughts on non-binary identities, after which the conversation culminates in how awesome Heterodorx is. This episode is guaranteed to make you smarter!http://www.carolehooven.com/https://twitter.com/hoovlet/https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250236067/tthestoryoftestosteronethehormonethatdominatesanddividesus--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

After Nina expresses admiration for the insult “Haterodorx”, Corinna - “one of the good ones” - expresses concern about the inevitable backlash coming for trans people. We learn about GAMPs: GynoAndroMorphPhiles, and the “chicks with dicks” they fetishize. Corinna makes Nina watch some horrible TikTok videos so they can discuss young people sexualizing themselves for visual consumption. Then the Dorx examine porn’s influence on the “trans community” and young people in general, staying remarkably lighthearted in spite of the dismal subject matter. This episode 100% passes!Song: “Penis Envy” by Uncle Bonsai: https://youtu.be/ByE5Bc70w44Heterodorx (aka Corinna) on Twitter: https://twitter.com/heterodorx--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Dorx take a trip down memory lane, scanning the show notes of every single episode straight from the web site, and wondering in awe at this podcast’s dazzling journey from three to sixteen listeners in under a year. Thanks for listening to and supporting us, TERFs and Trannies, and have a great 2022!--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Dorx welcome Alice Dreger, author of the excellent Galileo’s Middle Finger. Dreger discusses Intersex as a political identity, what makes her feel like a woman, the trials of puberty, lactose intolerance, the importance of talking to kids about sexual pleasure, and East Lansing Info, a model local journalism organization she founded. Then she talks about “discriminatory and hateful” segregation in sports. Hold onto your hats! *Some people are born with more than 10 fingers; others with fewer. Whether due to genetic anomolies or amputation, some have no fingers at all. So who are we to say what a “middle finger” even is?Galileo’s Middle Finger https://alicedreger.com/GMFEast Lansing Info https://eastlansinginfo.news/Alice in Genderland https://aliceingenderland.com/What’s Happening to Me https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/141764._What_s_Happening_to_Me_A_Guide_to_PubertyHow Babies Are Made https://www.amazon.com/How-Babies-Made-Steven-Schepp/dp/1626541043Nina’s Sex-Positive Memoirs https://4w.pub/sex-pos-memoirs/Heterodorx interview with Grace Lavery (who also declines to define 'woman'): https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-26-trano-a-trano-with-grace-lavery/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Dorx speak with attorney and feminist Elizabeth Hungerford, co-author of a seminal 2011 letter to the UN about gender identity’s impacts on sex-based rights. Should feminists ally with conservatives? Should genderism be classified as a religion? Do we criticize gender, or abolish it? Is sex-blindness a spectrum? Who wears a potato sack better, Corinna or Nina? Is it easier to fool men than women, about sex? Can taboos be beneficial? Hungerford bravely withstands being mint-chocolate-chip-shamed by Nina, in this gentle, respectful, and deep exchange of ideas and “yucking someone else’s yum.”Cathy Brennan and Elizabeth Hungerford letter to the UN: https://sexnotgender.com/gender-identity-legislation-and-the-erosion-of-sex-based-legal-protections-for-females/The Radical Notion: https://theradicalnotion.org/Detransition: Beyond Before and After by Max Robinson: https://www.spinifexpress.com.au/shop/p/9781925950403Feminist Ethics by Sarah Hoagland: https://www.sarahhoagland.com/sarahhoaglandles.htmlMale/Female face optical illusion: https://www.opticalspy.com/opticals/male-or-female-face-optical-illusionYummy Yuck (children's book): https://www.amazon.com/Yummy-Yuck-Amanda-Jane-Jones/dp/3791374052/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=yuck+and+yum&qid=1639705440&sr=8-1--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Corinna and Nina discuss podcast-related expenses, such as microphone covers, multi-track remote recording service, and Fried Tofu w Numb Oil. For the first time, the Dorx ask for donations, but only for a few minutes, after which they change the subject to JK Rowling’s Twitter namechecks and the importance of talking to your godchildren about the transcult. Nina confronts her Internalized Transphobia and learns about Inner Pronouns, while Corinna reveals his many deadnames, and the sock-shaped hole in his heart. Then they ask for money again, before talking about used handkerchiefs. It’s the kind of quality content worth supporting!Donate to Heterodorx at https://anchor.fm/heterodorxGolden Harbor #807 Fried Tofu w Numb Oil https://www.goldenharboronline.com/menushttps://www.patreon.com/ninapaley--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Dorx welcome lawyer, gender abolitionist, and fierce feminist Kara Dansky, who has just released a new book, The Abolition of Sex: How the “Transgender” Agenda Harms Women and Girls. Dansky fills us in on the ACLU’s “unlikely allies,” the disgraceful biases and failures of American mainstream media, and that she might soon drop the term “Gender Critical.” It’s a stimulating, challenging, and thought-provoking conversation.Links:https://www.amazon.com/Abolition-Sex-Transgender-Agenda-Harms/dp/1637582293https://nypost.com/2021/03/27/prof-who-refused-transgender-students-pronouns-wins-in-court/https://slate.com/human-interest/2015/12/gender-critical-trans-women-the-apostates-of-the-trans-rights-movement.htmlhttps://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/08/04/woman-2--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Maneesh Yadav has a PhD in…SCIENCE! Chemistry, to be precise, and his favorite molecule is porphine. Is that enough expertise to guide Nina through the morass of COVID misinformation confronting her online? From Tamiflu and arsenic life, to calling women “bodies with vaginas”, the Dorx explore why science journals and institutions have lost so much credibility in recent years, and how we might find our way when we need reliable scientific evidence more than ever.Links:Tamifluhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4375804/Arsenic Lifehttps://www.nbcnews.com/science/cosmic-log/arsenic-life-debate-still-percolates-flna6C10402703Can’t Get You Out Of My Head (Adam Curtis)https://www.imdb.com/title/tt13973190/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Jungian analyst Lisa Marchiano takes the Dorx on a journey through myth and folktales as she discusses stories from her recent book, Motherhood. Following the classic arc of descent and return, Corinna drops the sarcasm for literally minutes before noting the sexist and exclusionary title. Nina promises to ban this deep and compelling tome, because as a non-mother it’s not specifically about her. This is an unusually profound and calming episode, so definitely don’t buy this book or check it out of a library near you!https://lisamarchiano.com/books/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

In this episode of Heterodorx, Nina tries very very hard not to say “y’know,” because Corinna no longer edits out her verbal tics. As a result, she speaks unusually slowly, thoughtfully, and almost as sarcastically as Corinna. Thus disciplined, the two dutifully slog away at conversation, discussing Dave Chapelle, the definition of misogyny, power, corruption, “respectability politics,” “conservative humor,” media gaslighting, and wearing “male garb” at the Rennaissance Faire. It’s worth a listen, y’know?--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Dorx welcome lively philosophy professor and author Andrew Pessin, whose recent satirical novel about campus culture, Nevergreen, humorously conveys the horror of getting cancelled. This inevitably leads to discussion of the Anti-Defamation League’s “Pryramid of Hate,” which, by the end of the episode, Nina deftly synthesizes with the USDA’s Food Pyramid. Corinna asserts, “universities are in the business of transferring wealth from students to administrators,” and repeatedly declares he is NOT JEWISH, unlike Andrew (a Zionist) and Nina (not a Zionist), who blithely argue about Zionism the way only a couple American Jews can.Links:Andrew Pessin’s website: https://andrewpessin.com/Nevergreen: https://andrewpessin.com/nevergreen/ADL Pyramid of Hate: https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/pyramid-of-hate.pdfUSDA Food Pyramid: https://fns-prod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/archived_projects/FGPLargeGIF.gifThis Land Is Mine: https://vimeo.com/50531435From Seder-Masochism: https://vimeo.com/263398514Nina on hate: Love Thine Enemy https://blog.ninapaley.com/2021/09/27/love-thy-enemy/Nina relates Zionism to Transactivism: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2018/02/07/gender_colonialism/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Dorx interrogate MIT Professor Alex Byrne, to find out what the heck happened to academic Philosophy. But first, Corinna identifies as some brand of chocolate. Alex illuminates Feminist Philosophy, differences between philosophers, and the mental aspects of his beer, while Corinna asserts the immutability of sex and mens’ eagerness to eject their “feminine” brothers from the male sex class. Finally, Nina detransitions from humanhood and re-identifies as a Martian.Alex Byrne’s Philosophy: Minds and Machines: https://youtu.be/DfgCJR7xKQ0--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Derrick “Kid Kaboom” Jenson, author of 10,000 books translated into 2,000 languages, shares both untrue and true stories about the environmental movement, and why “Sustainable Development” is an oxymoron. After a short break for Derrick to get wild bears to stop banging on his windows, the Dorx discuss the heartbreak of witnessing the destruction of wild habitats and the suffering of nonhuman species. Later, they try to define religion, and debate whether “a language is a dialect with an army, a religion is a cult with a state.” The conversation is so much fun that Corinna, Nina, and Derrick form a little cult of their own!Derrick Jensen’s website: https://derrickjensen.org/Bright Green Lies: https://www.brightgreenlies.com/book--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Returning guest Angus Fox calls our interview with Grace Lavery a “public service to Philosophy.” Nina offers a “forever home” for Corinna as a “pet trans,” keeping his food and water dishes filled and even letting him run off leash occasionally. Then the Dorx discuss testoterone, chemical castration, Alan Turing, male vs female detransitioner communities, socialization theory, and euphemisms like “hormone replacement,” “gender affirmation surgery” and “trans kids.” Angus asserts a moral obligation to mock, and Corinna recalls being felt up by his first endocrinologist, whom he describes as “a cross between Dr. Ruth and Dr. Frankenstein.” Women are overrepresented in “trans medicine” surgery, compared to surgery as a whole; Nina wants to know why. All that and more in a mere hour and twenty seven minutes.Our Grace Lavery episode: https://www.heterodorx.com/podcast/episode-26-trano-a-trano-with-grace-lavery/Christine Lavin - Sensitive New Age Guys: https://youtu.be/dnKK4ULoMB8Angus Fox’s Quillette series on transing boys: https://quillette.com/author/angus-fox/Genspect, a voice for parents with gender-questioning kids: https://genspect.org/Contact Angus: [email protected] Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Prominent feminist writer and podcaster Meghan Murphy discusses being attacked not only by typical opponents, but by some feminists too.Feminist Current: https://www.feministcurrent.com/The Butthurt-Reaction Cycle: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2019/10/31/the-butthurt-reaction-cycle/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

After a 3-week hiatus, Corinna and Nina discuss the book Cynical Theories by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay. Nina takes a more nuanced approach to Judith Butler, discovering something she said that isn’t utter nonsense. Corinna questions “misogyny” and “patriarchy,” and challenges Nina’s “feminist lens,” after which Nina tells Corinna to f__k himself. It’s good to be back!Links:Glenn Loury and John McWhorter discuss “What’s Systemic about Systemic Racism?" https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/62356Cynical Theories by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53052177-cynical-theories?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=KkQQGeLMwg&rank=1T: The Story of Testosterone, the Hormone that Dominates and Divides Us by Carole Hooven: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/53138024-t?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=w99uXfWC9E&rank=1The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion by Jonathan Haidt: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11324722-the-righteous-mind?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=ieRWcm8zhB&rank=1Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality by Helen Joyce: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56897445-trans?from_search=true&from_srp=true&qid=P6HMcwJBU0&rank=1--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Just one week after interviewing someone else with the same first name and last initial, the Dorx chat with the totally different, not-to-be-confused-with Grace Lidinsky-Smith: writer, female detransitioner, and President of GCCAN, the Gender Care Consumer Advocacy Network. Because both Grace and Corinna were assigned nerd at birth, they talk about Renaissance Faires, including Corinna’s Victor-Victoria-esque plan to wear “male garb” at his next one. Then Nina becomes a jock because both nerds regard her as one. Grace asks if Nina is “naturally high-T,” and Nina realizes she’s never had her hormone levels tested, but she praises menopause and disparages youth. Corinna introduces Heterodorx Poetry Time by reading Little Abigail and the Beautiful Pony by Shel Siverstein. The mood remains light even as Grace talks about having her nipples put back on lopsided after her double mastectomy, because people who have been through heavy s**t use humor to cope.Grace Lidinsky-Smith on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HormoneHangoverGrace Lidinsky-Smith’s substack: https://hormonehangover.substack.com/Little Abigail and the Beautiful Pony by Shel Silverstein: https://allpoetry.com/Little-Abigail-and-the-Beautiful-Pony--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Corinna arranges a conversation with Grace Lavery, associate professor at UC Berkeley and outspoken trans activist. The result is almost as limitless and formless as what a "woman" is.Grace Lavery: https://english.berkeley.edu/profiles/386--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Dorx welcome funny and charming writer Angus Fox, whose recent work focuses on the transing of boys. Because they both have described their younger selves as the type of boy likely to identify as trans today, Nina asks why Corinna transitioned and Angus did not. This begins a discussion of the influence of internet chatrooms and media, how masculine men exclude their effeminate brothers, and the role of girls in transing boys. Angus wonders how much misogynistic genderism is explained by the prevalence of porn, and how much is because boys are idiots. Nina goes out on a limb and claims men are human, while Corinna and Angus further alienate our feminist listeners by blaming women for “gender woo.” It’s a refreshing twist on the usual “kill all the men” sentiment, and as heterodorx as two homosexual men can be.Angus Fox’s Quillette series on transing boys: https://quillette.com/author/angus-fox/Genspect, a voice for parents with gender-questioning kids: https://genspect.org/Contact Angus: [email protected] Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Heterodorx co-horses are eager to compete in the Olympics, in either Equestrian Tennis or Sarcasm. Nina realizes if she identifies as a man, her bicycling performance will improve by 22% - it’s science! After an adorable interruption by Nina’s cat, Corinna shares some reader feedback and Nina disparages elective cosmetic surgery. Finally, a discussion about COVID, Long COVID, vaccine skepticism, preference falsification, and Voluntary Human Extinction end the podcast on a typically high note.Nina’s cat Lola: https://youtu.be/t89bGOrWmewThe Voluntary Human Extinction Movement: http://vhemt.org/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Corinna and Nina discuss trashing, which is what feminists called canceling before there was canceling. Nina admits she performs gender, but not enough to be “ladyike.” When the topic suddenly pivots to antinatalism, Nina declares herself a species traitor but not a class traitor. Corinna claims to be a “human ally,” and points out that when it comes to male sterilization, there is a vas deferens between half- and full commitment. Is our primary purpose to reproduce, to eat and poop, or something else? So deep, man.TRASHING: The Dark Side of Sisterhood: https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/trashing.htmTHE BABY BOON by Elinor Burkett: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7397.The_Baby_Boon--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Dorx welcome musician, teacher, YouTuber, and gender-critical feminist Karen Davis to discuss funeral homes, fetishes, firing, and fun. It’s a characteristically lively conversation for Karen, whose YouTube channel is at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYj9xEuFEQORfVK3k1kPxQw Enjoy!--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The Dorx celebrate Maya Forstater’s Free Speech victory in the UK. Are the ideological tides finally turning? Nina contemplates the dissolution of friendships if the pressure of fighting against insanity is lifted. Corinna worries that Gender Critical extremists will “go after trans people.” This gradually leads to an argument about the Aimee Stephens case, in which a funeral home employee was fired for being trans - or was it for being male and violating the dress code? A TERF vs. Tranny conflict ensues, as the Dorx fail, but sincerely try, to understand each other. But in the end they are united by their common commitment to liberty, as well as their mysteriously off-putting personalities.Maya Forstater wins: https://web.archive.org/web/20210611082614/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/06/10/maya-forstaters-victory-injects-good-sense-toxic-trans-debate/MK Fain fired in 2019: https://4w.pub/fired-for-feminism/WoLF’s amicus brief in the Aimee Stephens case: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/18/18-107/112909/20190820130044873_WoLF%20Amicus%20Harris%20v%20EEOC%20as%20filed.pdfWoLF’s page discussing it: https://www.womensliberationfront.org/news/domoavbcjg7trx092iyjgk9r7c9rpq--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

The sarcasm flows like California wine as Nina and Corinna tilt their heads and discuss what the heck “true trans” might mean. On the subject of “passing,” Nina forgets to mention this quote, often attributed to PT Barnum, that sums up her position: "You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time." Then, in a dazzling display of creativity, the Dorx think of an improved Inclusive Flag that can be incorporated into fashionable shirts, and conceive a Charlotte Clymer Memorial statue. Nina looks forward to attending an upcoming women’s-only gathering in Michigan, while Corinna recalls having dined with not one but two future murderers, both of whom just happened to be…Californian.Dana Rivers: https://www.karadansky.com/state-v-dana-rivers-updatesThe Californians: https://youtu.be/dCer2e0t8r8--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

In this special episode (they’re ALL special! And valid!) the opening Heterodorx theme song is sung by Corinna, who unwittingly promotes a new LGBT breakfast cereal before discussing a recent episode of 60 Minutes that invoked the fury of Kellogg’s partner GLAAD (along with the ACLU, HRC, and other Men’s Rights activists). Nina cries herself to sleep over Corinna’s tragic and pathetic life; Corinna identifies as an Aquarius while Nina is Astro-nonconforming; and the Dorx are stumped by a puzzling question on Corinna’s tennis lesson application.60 Minutes “State Bills Would Curtail Health Care For Transgender Youth”: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/transgender-health-care-60-minutes-2021-05-23/Corinna on Femsplainers (second half): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/when-sons-become-daughters-part-one/id1366430955?i=1000522118038GCCAN: https://www.gccan.org/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Chris Waites is an Amateur Open-Mic Comedian, professional Grocery Shelf-Stocker, mild-mannered provocateur, and self-described “Nobody”. After sorting out Chris’s pronouns, the Dorx discuss BANDAIDGATE. Are “regular” Band-Aids “white”? Are “black” Band-Aids “black”? Are any humans the same color as Band-Aids? What happens when a black man questions the wisdom of chocolate band-aids on fecebook? Nina suggests “fitting in” is a neoliberal Capitalist plot, while Chris learns he is "privileged" to not have to think about race constantly, unlike his long-suffering liberal white allies. The Dorx also discuss how people suppress their individuality within tribes; the difference between allies and friends; “Golem-ing”; getting drunk on White Guilt; and Corinna’s Black Power Fist facial tattoo.BandAidGate: https://www.facebook.com/nina.paley/posts/10159803364887642Square Pegs theme song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldkNnT1SuvEThe Age of White Guilt by Shelby Steele: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2019/08/18/the-age-of-white-guilt-and-the-disappearance-of-the-black-individual-by-shelby-steele/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Our more-or-less Jewish hosts share their sub-optimally-informed opinions about conflict in the Middle East. Perhaps the colonization of Palestine could be resisted by misgendering Israelis? But first, Corinna talks about why Ellen DeGeneres doesn’t belong in Hollywood. Later, Corinna plugs Target’s new queer-branded product line, and threatens to buy Nina an “ALLY” t-shirt. Corinna is propositioned in Corinna’s ‘hood (notice how I’m avoiding pronouns here? awkward!), and donates to Nina’s MysicSymbolic project by mistaking it for a transition fund. Throughout, the Dorx’s extreme and relentless sarcasm makes much of the discussion incomprehensible to anyone but them. Enjoy!links:This Land Is Mine: https://vimeo.com/50531435MysticSymbolic crowdfunder: https://www.gofundme.com/f/mysticsymbolic-developmentAndrea Dworkin on the Sexual Revolution: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2019/08/23/andrea-dworkin-on-the-sexual-revolution/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Metamodernism is a response to Postmodernism, which is a response to Modernism, which is a response to Traditionalism. The Dorx discuss that and more with Greg Dember, one of Metamodernism’s leading experts. Nina wants to know if her movies Sita Sings the Blues and Seder-Masochism are metamodern, and Greg obliges with an answer! (Spoiler: yes.) After Nina compares metamodernist media to porn, using the metaphor of “the money shot,” Greg suggests she might have her very own episteme. Corinna identifies as post-postmodernist, which is another way to say 'irredeemably sarcastic'. In spite of the Dorx’s cynicism (postmodern) and their guest’s optimism (metamodern), they enjoy a fun, fruitful, intellectual conversation, and conclude, “identity is the metamodern problem.”https://whatismetamodern.com--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

This lighthearted, rollicking episode opens with Nina posting Corinna’s rant “Against Allies” (from last week’s episode) on fecebook, to the chagrin of some “allies”. (The next day, Nina gets a 24-hour fecebook ban for “hate speech.”) Then Nina and Corinna discuss the political indoctrination, or lack thereof, of their respective childhoods. They go on to cover how advocacy groups reduce diversity, the discovery of a “third race,” the retraction of Richard Dawkins’ decades-old Humanist award, the idolization of the Gender Unicorn, and whether “It’s Always OK to Ask Someone Their Gender Pronouns!” Finally, they segue into “Meta-Modernism,” the topic of next week’s episode. Fun!Four Arguments For The Elimination of Television by Jerry Mander: http://www.nelligennet.com/televisionjerrymander.pdf--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

This week's mercifully short episode opens with both Nina and Corinna exhausted from dealing with Internet b******t. Corinna talks about being drawn into the manipulative abuse of a transphobic gay man on Clubhouse. Nina reminisces about an organization that used to exist to help poor women have access to reproductive health resources. In between, Corinna goes on a magnificent rant against "allies," which should be bronzed for posterity. If you listen to only 2 minutes of Heterodorx, start at 08:00 of this episode.--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Note: This special episode is presented principally in the Russian language. This week Nina and Corinna talk with Corinna’s old friend, Jayson Graham. We talk about the process of marketing creative works, the role copyright may (or may not) play in establishing one’s marketability, and whether or not social media might be destroying America.The M. Jayson Graham Show https://anchor.fm/m-jayson-graham-show/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Corinna and Nina enjoy a delightful conversation with stunning and brave intelligent and funny transsexual Miranda Yardley, author of such memorable bons mots as, "lighten up trannies, this used to be fun" and "a quick note on pronouns: I don't give a s**t." While Miranda and Corinna recall alarming changes in the trans community over recent decades, Nina sadistically oppresses both of them with her cishet privilege. Joking aside, Miranda has been the target of some extreme b******t, online and more importantly in the English courts, and shares some war stories here.Miranda's blog: https://mirandayardley.com/en/Nina's 1997 appearance (as "Grace,"with the Church of Euthenasia) on Jerry Springer: https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/235654079--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Nina discusses how she manages rage with the heat of a thousand suns triggered by Internet b******t she shouldn’t care that much about. Corinna confesses to some high-running emotions after an encounter with b******t on the new app Clubhouse. At 27:35 Nina mis-sexes a male who is definitely not a pedophile, and at 32:00 she goes on an important rant against coerced pronouns. Finally, she declares a new identity as a CERC (pronounced “curse”).Graham Linehan’s substack: https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/Nina’s argument tweets: https://spinster.xyz/@ninapaley/posts/A5jcIonm22fqw6apVo--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Get ready for some hardcore Libertarian nerd-talk, as Corinna goes head-to-head with Stephan Kinsella, Libertarianism’s foremost critic of copyright and patents and author of Against Intellectual Property. Thrill to dazzling theories of labor vs. action, restrictive covenants, negative easements, burdened estates, nuisances, limitations, consent, redistribution of rights, triangular intervention, property, scarcity, value, allocation of contestable resources, conflict, trade secrets, the Patent Bargain, disclosure, distortion, abolishing the FDA…wait, what? By the end of the episode, Corinna suffers a long-overdue crisis of faith. SUCCESS!Related links: Stephan Kinsella, Against Intellectual Property C4SIF.org Resources http://c4sif.org/resources/ Intellectual Property Rights as Negative Servitudes Karl Fogel: The Surprising History of Copyright and The Promise of a Post-Copyright World and https://youtu.be/mhBpI13dxkI Boldrin & Levine, Against Intellectual Monopoly “Conversation with an author about copyright and publishing in a free society” (Harry Potter example) “Intellectual Property” as an umbrella term and as propaganda: a reply to Richard Stallman A Selection of Kinsella’s Best Articles and Speeches on IP--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Corinna and Nina discover what happens when they interview someone more articulate than either of them: MK Fain, the youthful Doyenne of feminist social media. She is the founder of Spinster.xyz, co-founder of Ovarit, publisher of 4w.pub, and co-host of the Identity Crisis podcast. We touch on free speech and pornography, and its upcoming technology frontier. As the discussion goes into intellectual property, MK corrects Corinna’s misconceptions of who really benefits from copyrights.Find MK on Spinster: https://spinster.xyz/@mkCopyright is Brain Damage: https://youtu.be/XO9FKQAxWZc--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Heterodorx welcomes its first guest, serial social network creator Alex Gleason. Alex created Soapbox.FE, the software running feminist social media platform spinster.xyz and Nina’s own neenster.org, among others. His next project, Tribes, aims to make it easy and painless for anyone to start their own fediverse server by pushing a few buttons. The Dorx cover technology, the sociology of social networks, and adamantly avoid talking about the weather. You can find Alex at his fediverse server, gleasonator.com.--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

What’s the difference between “community standards” and censorship? How do we determine what books to include and exclude from libraries? Why does the Dr. Seuss estate get to decide what Dr. Seuss books stay in print? Is copyright censorship, as Nina asserts? What’s the difference between plagiarism and copyright violation? In an uncharacteristically focused and coherent conversation, Nina and Corinna discuss these questions and more. Then, Jesse and Katie chip in with some ideas on how to close each episode.The Surprising History of Copyright and The Promise of a Post-Copyright World by Karl Fogel: https://questioncopyright.org/promiseThe Internet Archive vs the Authors Guild: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200330/18125844202/publishers-authors-misguided-freakout-over-internet-archives-decision-to-enable-more-digital-book-checkouts-during-pandemic.shtmlFor 30 Years, I’ve Tried to Become a Woman. Here’s What I Learned Along the Way by Nina Paley: https://quillette.com/2020/06/22/for-30-years-ive-tried-to-become-a-woman-heres-what-i-learned-along-the-way/Copyright is Brain Damage, a 2015 talk by Nina: https://youtu.be/XO9FKQAxWZc--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Nina considers the history of creepy fetishists in comics, leading to a discussion about “perverts” and attempts to normalize them to children. Then Nina blathers about Eunuchs for a while. Suddenly, Corinna takes the conversation in a different direction by declaring the Gender Critical Movement over. This gradually leads to a scrappy argument filled with tension and suspense! Who wins? Listen and find out!Women’s Human Rights Campaign: https://www.womensdeclaration.com/en/about/Save Women’s Sports: https://savewomenssports.com/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Nina gets a GitHub account, and the first thing she worries about is whether a mob will cancel her there. Corinna debates coming out as non-binary. Is "human" a gender, or still a species? After some discussion, we agree that all identities, tribal affiliations, cult memberships, and personality disorders are valid, so please don't cancel us.Nina's new art/software project: https://blog.ninapaley.com/2021/02/17/mystic-symbolic-the-developening/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Trans-identified female Scott Newgent, who just released an important (dare we say heroic) article in Newsweek, is praised by Nina on feminist social media site Spinster.xyz, only to be met with harsh criticism from radical feminists who argue trans gender critics must detransition to be taken seriously. TERF-war inside baseball continues as Corinna brings up the Biden Administration’s endorsement of boys in girls’ sports. Corinna suggests drawing a Rural/City axis into Intersectionality, to which Nina responds cynically. Nina is in fact unusually cynical and sarcastic throughout, perhaps because she’s being cancelled by yet another cultural institution, again.Scott Newgent’s Newsweek article: https://www.newsweek.com/we-need-balance-when-it-comes-gender-dysphoric-kids-i-would-know-opinion-1567277Nina’s Spinster discussion: https://spinster.xyz/@ninapaley/posts/A46xiOMs4d8Ur7maJ6Newsweek article on Biden’s exec order/boys in girl’s sports/trans rights are human rights pr: https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-does-bidens-executive-order-allow-transgender-athletes-compete-gender-their-1563790Original Atlantic piece that evolved into the Coddling of the American Mind https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

For no reason in particular, Corinna wants to talk about the Spanish Inquisition, which was originally the Inquisition of Heretical Depravity. Since we strictly forbid any form of heresy in this safe space, it hardly makes sense on why the Inquisition would be germane. In completely different news, Corinna and Nina talk about the New York Times parting ways with David McNeal, its foremost science reporter, after he was overheard uttering a blasphemous word in the company of children from wealthy families. Nina talks about the importance of courage, especially as it reflects on mental health, and Corinna challenges the idea of whether courage even exists.New York Times fires Donald McNeil: https://news.yahoo.com/ny-times-star-reporter-fired-214228379.htmlShelby Steele’s documentary “What Killed Michael Brown” https://whatkilledmichaelbrown.com--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

After discussing some feedback on Episode 1, corinnA and ninA use the word "senator" as a slur. They name some other slurs, so listener discretion is advised. corinnA asserts the importance of Liberal Democracy, while ninA implies they don't live in one. Then ninA shares some details about a Very Retarded Breakup, and corinnA invites listeners to send feedback to [email protected] , or comment at https://www.heterodorx.com/uncategorized/episode-2/Note: ninA's mic sounds pretty bad here. She will return to her USB desktop mic in our next episode.--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Corinna and Nina make their very first recording together, discussing slurs, radical feminism, pronouns, porn, and more. Corinna dazzles Nina by revealing, superhero-style, that he started what became https://terfisaslur.com/ . Nina's essay, "My Sex-Positive Memoirs," is at https://4w.pub/sex-pos-memoirs/Essays on Corinna's original (and anonymous) terfisaslur tumblr: https://terfisaslur.tumblr.com/post/80795200850/terf-is-a-slur https://terfisaslur.tumblr.com/post/79181927909/spiral-of-silence-and-trans-misogyny--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Nina has mic troubles. Will she buy a whole new microphone? Plus, lots of "transitions" canned music clips between segments!--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Nina tries to think and talk at the same time. Also, trying out a signature show greeting. What will Corinna think?--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Nina continues exploring musical options on anchor.fm. This was recorded with my new audio splitter, which allows a separate mic and headphones to connect to the same single audio jack on my wee little Macbook Air. --- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe

Nina checks her recording equipment and learns how anchor.fm works.--- Support this podcast: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/heterodorx/support Get full access to Heterodorx Podcast at heterodorx.substack.com/subscribe