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On today's episode, Finch joins Josiah to talk about the 2025 conclave, the Conclave (2024) fandom, and the last few weeks of Vatican news online.Check out Finch's Substack here: https://jmkazmierczak.substack.com/Read Finch's piece "Death and the Archivist" here: https://jmkazmierczak.substack.com/p/death-and-the-archivistFollow Finch on Twitter @santo_pinzon or Bluesky @finchowar.bsky.socialBecome a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIZWDsDrQ0XvDQFWzE6s2ggFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonReferences"Society of the Snow (feat. Finch)," Fruitless, https://share.transistor.fm/s/69ca1424"The pope called them every night until his final hours. Now, Gaza’s Christians cling to the hope he left behind," Abeer Salman and Oren Liebermann for CNN, https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/23/middleeast/pope-gaza-christians-mourning-intl/index.htmlConclave (2024, dir. Edward Berger)Conclave by Robert HarrisConclavoscope, https://conclavoscope.com/en"How Pope Crave Went From Conclave to the Conclave," Meg Zukin in Time, https://time.com/7283807/pope-crave-conclave-rome/"Cardinals are watching ‘Conclave’ the movie for guidance on the actual conclave," Ben Munster for Politico, https://www.politico.eu/article/cardinals-watch-conclave-movie-for-real-life-guidance/"Pope Leo XIV Watched Conclave Before Being Elected the New Pope (Yes, Really!)," John Weiss for NBC, https://www.nbc.com/nbc-insider/pope-leo-watched-conclave-movie-before-being-elected-new-pope-at-actual-conclavePapability Index, https://x.com/pope_predictor"Meet ‘Luce’: The Vatican’s cartoon mascot for Jubilee 2025," Courtney Mares for Catholic News Agency, https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/260129/meet-luce-the-vatican-s-cartoon-mascot-for-jubilee-2025Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation by Kristin Kobes Du Mez "Cubs, White Sox celebrate election of Chicago native Pope Leo XIV," ESPN, https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/45058434/chicago-cubs-white-sox-celebrate-pope-leo-xiv-sports-fandom"Chase Meidroth gets hit in the head with a pop up," https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/cam-booser-in-play-no-out-to-drew-waters"Church officials OK’d moving another priest accused of abuse to Hyde Park friary, records show," Robert Herguth in Chicago Sun Times, https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/2/26/22302129/catholics-priest-child-sex-abuse-st-john-friary-james-ray-richard-mcgrath-hyde-park-augustinians"Conservatives accused Prevost of covering up abuse in Peru and the United States before conclave," Pablo Ordaz in El Pais, https://english.elpais.com/international/2025-05-09/conservatives-accused-prevost-of-covering-up-abuse-in-peru-and-the-united-states-before-conclave.html"Pope dissolves Peru-based Catholic movement after ‘sadistic abuses’," The Guardian, https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/20/pope-dissolves-sodalitium-of-christian-life-peru-catholic-movement-vatican-investigation"Will Pope Leo XIV be the one who makes the call on women deacons?," Phyllis Zagano in RNS, https://religionnews.com/2025/05/09/will-pope-leo-xiv-be-the-one-who-makes-the-call-on-women-deacons/"Pope Leo signals he will closely follow Francis and says AI represents challenge for humanity," Lauren Kent for CNN, https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/10/europe/pope-leo-prevost-cardinals-artificial-intelligence-intl"New Pope Leo XIV’s brother shared gross post calling Nancy Pelosi a ‘drunk c—t’," David Propper in New York Post, https://nypost.com/2025/05/11/us-news/new-pope-leo-xivs-brother-shared-gross-post-calling-nancy-pelosi-a-drunk-c/Music & audio creditsGregorian Chant Rap Beat - sero.kYesterday – bloom."Chase Meidroth gets hit in the head with a pop up," https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/video/cam-booser-in-play-no-out-to-drew-watersA royalty free hip-hop remix of Ave Maria I downloaded back when I did Mammonburg but have lost the artist name since. If the person who did this somehow stumbles across this, let me know so I can credit you. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/127834866Josh and I discuss The Pleasure Principle by Gary Numan and The Suburbs by Arcade Fire. Also the Minecraft movie.Music by Gary Numan, Arcade Fire, and SHADE08 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On today's episode, Gaius from Tribunate joins Josiah to talk about Roman history and it's parallels to the present moments. Is the U.S. in a decline like the end of the Roman Republic? Or, perhaps, the end of the Roman Empire? Why are fascists and far right groypers so obsessed with Rome? All this and more.Check out Tribunate on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@tribunateSPQRFollow Gaius on Bluesky @gaius.bsky.socialBecome a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIZWDsDrQ0XvDQFWzE6s2ggFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonReferences"Cato, the Filibuster, and the Death of the Republic," Tribunate on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgD3_eBBn5o"The Price of Power: Exploitation and the End of the Roman Republic," Tribunate on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEi8Tu1-DSM"...And Forgive Them Their Debts (Bookclub #6)," Fruitless, https://share.transistor.fm/s/ebf3fb42"Class & Sexuality in Ancient Rome Part 1: Gay Relationships," Tribunate on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y-thVnwKg"Why Caesar Committed Genocide (and Why He was Proud of It)," Tribunate on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lzrrTZTRZA"Sulla, Rome's Bloodiest Dictator," Tribunate on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RClu7ADAcb4"Why Elon Musk Loves Sulla," Tribunate on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8DP3jz__ikMusic & audio creditsHungry - LiadiiiYesterday – bloom.In My Dreams – bloom. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/126664485On today's episode, Alien, Josh, and Josiah turn up the dubstep, shotgun their Monster energy drinks, and get party rocking as they talk about Spring Breakers (2012) and the cinematic universe of Harmony Korine, as well as take a brief detour into the work and influence of Skrillex on American pop culture.Music by SHADE08 and Skrillex ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On today's episode, Phil Christman joins Josiah to discuss Amusing Ourselves to Death by Neil Postman. They explore Postman's intellectual trajectory and legacy, as well as the broader media ecology movement. Did Postman predict Donald Trump? Is Postman a conservative? Would Postman have liked podcasts? All this and more on today's episode.Phil Christman's previous appearance on Fruitless: https://share.transistor.fm/s/e49b23bcPre-order Why Christians Should Be Leftists here: https://www.eerdmans.com/9780802884053/why-christians-should-be-leftists/Check out Phil Christman's Substack The Tourist: https://philipchristman.substack.com/Follow Phil on Bluesky @philipchristman.bsky.socialBecome a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIZWDsDrQ0XvDQFWzE6s2ggFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonReferencesAmusing Ourselves to Death by Neil PostmanTechnopoly by Neil PostmanThe Medium is the Massage by Marshall McLuhan"The Media Ecologists," Phil Christman on Substack, https://philipchristman.substack.com/p/the-media-ecologists"You Don't Need a Postman To Know It's Mostly Junk Mail," Phil Christman on Substack, https://philipchristman.substack.com/p/you-dont-need-a-postman-to-know-itsTeaching as a Subversive Activity by Neil PostmanTeaching as a Conserving Activity by Neil PostmanThe Disappearance of Childhood by Neil PostmanThe Age of Missing Information by Bill McKibbenWNUF Halloween Special (2013, dir. Chris LaMartina)Ghostwatch (1992, dir, Lesley Manning)71 Fragments of a Chronology of Chance (1994, dir. Michael Haneke)Benny's Video (1992, dir. Michael Haneke)Music & audio creditsSunflower (Prod. Lukrembo)Yesterday – bloom."Russia Invades Ukraine Sponsored By Applebee's - CNN Clip (February 24, 2022)," YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6QUsx68DCAIn My Dreams – bloom. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

This is the audio for a video essay on YouTube. If you choose to listen here, you will only get half the experience. For the full experience, check out Fruitless on YouTube.The video essay: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8ER82CgPZ0The Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIZWDsDrQ0XvDQFWzE6s2gg ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/125236565Josh and I discuss Plagues Upon Plagues by Sect and The Body, The Blood, The Machine by The Thermals. Also Josiah is sick.Music by Sect, The Thermals, and SHADE08 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On today's episode, Jacob Dallas-Main (The Socialist Shelf) joins Josiah to talk about Bong Joon Ho's masterpiece about how to wage class war on a big train, Snowpiercer (2013).Check out The Socialist Shelf: https://www.socialistshelf.com/Follow The Socialist Shelf on Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/socialistshelf.bsky.socialBecome a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonMusic & audio creditsSentimental - Dan DarmawanYesterday – bloom.In My Dreams – bloom ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/124223975Imagine the title of this episode being said in the most annoying voice possible. Like, imagine the nerd emoji saying it. On today's episode, Nate Thiessen asks Josiah about his recent conversion to Sports Guy over the past year. We talk soccer, NFL, college football, and a bit of baseball.Music by SHADE08 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On today's episode, Alien (aka Stewie Griffin DJ), Josh, and Josiah discuss Iowa by Slipknot, the impact Slipknot had on the Des Moines music scene, and the whole phenomenon of nu metal. Follow today's guest on Bluesky @stewiegriffindj.bsky.socialBecome a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work here: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter & Bluesky @josiahwsutton(.bsky.social)ReferencesIowa by SlipknotMetal reference points, Spotify Playlist by Alien, https://open.spotify.com/playlist/51ZEXeFuBuRaNc5fxJZyNG?si=650f89044f644bf4Metal reference points (Expanded Edition), Spotify Playlist by Josh Christianson, https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1i6P8PhjDBgKRWYWz7YzvZ?pi=u-ndlJaf6qQneVAudio creditsThe Heretic Anthem - SlipknotYesterday – bloom.People = Shit - Slipknot ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Jackal and Josiah catch up on some current events. We discuss recent anti-trans legislation in Iowa and the chaos of the first few weeks of the second Trump admin before catching back up with our good friend, Eric Adams.Become a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonReferencesThumbnail from AP News, taken by Charlie Neibergal, https://apnews.com/article/iowa-civil-rights-code-gender-identity-cf68d2183210133b15a47e526ad2fb0d"Iowa City City Council candidate Oliver Weilein isn’t playing it safe," Emma Jane in The Daily Iowan, https://dailyiowan.com/2025/02/25/iowa-city-city-council-candidate-oliver-weilein-isnt-playing-it-safe/Rock Hard Caucus, https://rockhardcauc.us/"Iowans share concerns after masked members of extremist group Patriot Front march in Des Moines," KCCI, https://www.kcci.com/article/iowans-share-concerns-after-masked-members-of-extremist-group-patriot-front-march-in-des-moines/63883874"Iowa GOP fast-tracks bill ending trans civil rights protection as protesters flood Capitol," Stephen Gruber-Miller, Marissa Payne, and Sabine Martin in Des Moines Register, https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2025/02/24/transgender-iowans-would-lose-civil-rights-protections-under-house-bill-advances/80008999007/"Bill to remove gender identity from Iowa Civil Rights Act clears Senate subcommittee," Robin Opsahl in Iowa Capitol Dispatch, https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2025/02/25/bill-to-remove-gender-identity-from-iowa-civil-rights-act-clears-senate-subcommittee/"Iowa protestors rally at Statehouse for second day against bill threatening transgender rights," KCCI, https://www.kcci.com/article/iowa-politics-senate-bill-transgender-civil-rights-act-protests/63923646"Iowa lawmakers rushed through a day of pruning your rights. Here are some." Lucas Grundmeier in Des Moines Register, https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/opinion/columnists/2025/02/25/iowa-gender-identity-bill-trans-erasure-restricting-rights/80267967007/"Iowa could be first state to revoke transgender rights," Jason Clayworth in Axios, https://www.axios.com/local/des-moines/2025/02/26/iowa-transgender-civil-rights-protections-revoke"CPAC Speaker Calls for Eradication of ‘Transgenderism’ — and Somehow Claims He’s Not Calling for Elimination of Transgender People," Peter Wade and Patrick Reis in Rolling Stone (from 2023), https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/cpac-speaker-transgender-people-eradicated-1234690924/"Key takeaways from Donald Trump’s first cabinet meeting with Elon Musk," Al Jazeera, https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/26/key-takeaways-from-donald-trumps-first-cabinet-meeting-with-elon-musk"CPI report: US inflation heats up to 3% for first time since June," Alicia Wallace in CNN, https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/02/12/business/us-cpi-consumer-inflation-january"A Timeline of Eric Adams's Indictment, and What Came Next," New York Times, https://www.nytimes.com/article/eric-adams-indictment-timeline.html"New York Mayor Eric Adams seeks permanent dismissal of corruption case," Luc Cohen in Reuters, https://www.reuters.com/legal/new-york-mayor-eric-adams-seeks-permanent-dismissal-corruption-case-2025-02-26/Music & audio creditsYesterday – bloom."CPAC speaker Michael Knowles calls for trans people to be ‘eradicated’," https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74Q5kfikMsUEmpire State of Mind - Jay-Z, Alicia KeysI Wanna Be at the RNC - Nick Lutsko ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/123027149Josh and I discuss Take as Needed for Pain by Eyehategod and Blue Valentine by Tom Waits. Also Josiah is watching the Marvel Cinematic Universe.Music by Eyehategod, Tom Waits, and SHADE08 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On today's episode, AJ (@normalmaxxedajc) joins Josiah to teach you all how to be normal about sex, politics, and the internet.Check out Normalmaxxing here: https://normalmaxxing.substack.com/Follow AJ on Twitter @normalmaxxedajc and Bluesky @normalmaxxedajc.bsky.socialCheck out AJ's previous episode of Fruitless here: https://share.transistor.fm/s/297ea2a7Become a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonMusic & audio creditsSentimental - Dan DarmawanYesterday – bloom.In My Dreams – bloom. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/121814985Josh and I discuss Crack the Skye by Mastadon and Thank You Happy Birthday by Cage the Elephant. Also Josh is playing a lot of Doom.Music by Mastodon, Cage the Elephant, and SHADE08 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/121046053Josh and Josiah discuss American politics and the wonderful highs and lows of having a body. Also Josh keeps buying Doom.Music by SHADE08 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Jon from Christianity on the Spectrum (@ChristianityOn) joins Josiah to discuss his research into the relationship between autistic individuals and Christianity. They discuss why autistic people tend to leave Christianity as well as what many find compelling about the faith. They also discuss a few surprising results that Jon found in his data.Check out Christianity on the Spectrum here: https://christianityonthespectrum.podbean.com/Follow Jon on Twitter @ChristianityOn or Bluesky @christianityon.bsky.socialBecome a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonMusic & audio creditsSentimental - Dan DarmawanYesterday – bloom.In My Dreams – bloom. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/120294489Caleb (@theboghog) joins Josiah to discuss Control (2007), Joy Division, and the life and work of Ian Curtis.Music by SHADE08 & Joy Division ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On today's episode, Josh, James (@cigarette_liker), and Caleb (@theboghog) join Josiah to welcome in the new year by hanging out, making some vague predictions about the coming year, sharing some resolutions, and then talking about escaping the imminent catastrophe through table top RPGs, video games, and sports.Become a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonRecommendations"Silly Little Game," 30 for 30, S1E11"The History of the Minnesota Vikings," Secret Base on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUXSZMIiUfFRQGbbUgQRky2-gCAFgsAizThe Substance (2024)MediaClearcut (1991)The Sting (1973)Bicycle Thieves (1948)The Drones (band)Tropical Fuck Storm (band)Dead Kennedys (band)The Seventh Seal (1957)The Thermals (band)Yeah Yeah Yeahs (band)Super Besse (band)Cursed (band)Horsegirl (band)Murder in a Foreign Place by M.I.A.Music & audio creditsYesterday – bloom.The Future of History - Tropical Fuck Storm ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/119049651It's the final music exchange of 2024! Sorry that I'm releasing it on the 1st of January; I had some personal stuff come up on New Year's Eve. So just close your eyes while listening and pretend it's 2024 still. Josh and I discuss Millennium by Backstreet Boys and Remain in Light by Talking Heads. Also I worked on Christmas and the online right is having a meltdown.Music by Talking Heads, Backstreet Boys, and SHADE08 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/118549470Against Josiah's will, the subject of Supernatural returns as Finch brings Jackal and Caleb back to discuss Destiel and how the internet is bad. Josiah only allows this coup d'état of his beloved podcast in the spirit of the holiday and because he is incredibly generous to his friends, but has issued an official ban on the topic of Supernatural going forward.Music by SHADE08 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Phil Cozzi joins Josiah to get in the holiday spirit and discuss The Holdovers (2023) and having a bad time around Christmas.Become a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonMusic & audio creditsSilver Joy - Damien JuradoYesterday – bloom.In My Dreams – bloomGod Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen - David Bazan ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Amelia Schafer (@ameliaschafers, Rapid City Journal) returns to discuss her recent investigation into a South Dakota boarding school and the thirty-eight graves that were uncovered last year.Follow today’s guest on Twitter @ameliaschafers and Bluesky @ameliaschafer.bsky.social.Become a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonDonateIndian Country Today, to fund more nonprofit journalism like the work Amelia did, https://ictnews.fundjournalism.org/donate/COUP Council, https://coupcouncil.org/donate.Friends of Pine Ridge Reservation, https://friendsofpineridgereservation.org/projects.One Spirit, https://www.onespiritlakota.org/donate.Native American Heritage Association, https://www.naha-inc.org/donate.ReferencesAmelia's previous appearance on Fruitless, "Indian Country in Present Tense," https://share.transistor.fm/s/1adf122b"'They’re ready to go home': Few answers at school gravesite," Amelia Schafer in Indian Country Today, https://ictnews.org/news/theyre-ready-to-go-home-little-answers-offered-for-hidden-gravesite-at-catholic-mission"Reporter's Notebook: Telling the tale of one boarding school," Amelia Schafer in Indian Country Today, https://ictnews.org/news/reporters-notebook-researching-a-catholic-boarding-schoolMusic & audio creditsOnion - LukremboYesterday – bloom.In My Dreams – bloom. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Tom O'Mahony (@gotitatguineys, Beneath the Skin, Lions Led By Donkeys) joins Josiah and Josh to discuss hardcore as a genre and a social movement. They do a crash course of the history of the genre and talk about why it rules.Shout out to Bobby: @OnlyOnTuesday_s on Twitter, @OnlyOnTuesdays.bsky.social on BlueskyShout out to KenoShout out to Budang and EstorvoFollow today's guest on Twitter @gotitatguineys and Bluesky @gotitatguineys.bsky.socialListen to Lions Led By Donkeys and Beneath the SkinBecome a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonReferencesFruitless Hardcore, Spotify Playlist, https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1Q2MsG0mnlbyUqYxjZBNDt?si=682394de27ba496fJapanese Hardcore Mosh Style 2, YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpj8byiYeW8[hate5six] Red Scare - May 23, 2015, 12:50, YouTube https://youtu.be/Xt2wr3N_QfQ?si=D07aSb6CqoNj9ssB&t=770Audio creditsKeep It Moving - TurnstileYesterday – bloom.We Want the Truth - Sick of It AllVictim in Pain - Agnostic FrontLife is Pain - MerauderFirestorm / Forged in the Flames - Earth CrisisI Will Be Heard - HatebreedTower of Snakes - Eighteen VisionsBelieve - Trapped Under IceScrambled - Harms Way"[hate5six] Red Scare - May 23, 2015," 12:50, https://youtu.be/Xt2wr3N_QfQ?si=D07aSb6CqoNj9ssB&t=770The End of Love - Twitching TonguesE. P. T. S. - GulchBlinding Ignorance - TortureCerimônia - Budang ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/wide-awaaaaake-7-116454689It's the music exchange! This month, Josh and I discuss Master of Puppets by Metallica and Wide Awaaaaake! by Parquet Courts. Also I'm returning to the service industry.Music by Metallica, Parquet Courts, and SHADE08 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/115934204Okay, look. This episode is technically about Naked Lunch (1991), but it's mostly Alien and Josiah having a mental breakdown about the election while listening to Death Grips, and also there's some questions about Rivers Cuomo's sexuality.Music by SHADE08 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On today’s episode, Josh, James (@cigarette_liker), and Jake the Lawyer join Josiah in celebrating 50 years of Fruitless. That’s right: it’s the 50th episode. We reflect on the past few years of the show, go on a number of rabbit trails, and also address the election results (hence the "bittersweet"). Become a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonMusic & audio creditsTrump Song (English Version) - Los 3 de La HabanaYesterday – bloom.Sauté (Antifa Fútbol Hooligan) - Askultura ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/wold-mx-6-115356105It's the music exchange! This month, Josh and I discuss Worry by Jeff Rosenstock and Gold by Whores. Also we are sleepy.Music by Jeff Rosenstock, Whores, and SHADE08 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/114640806Closing out horror month, Jackal and Josiah discuss the writings of H.P. Lovecraft, specifically The Shadow over Innsmouth and At the Mountains of Madness. We all know Lovecraft was a massive racist, and that he is also one of the most influential horror writers of all time. On today's episode, we discuss why his work still resonates with us despite it's vile worldview, and look at some authors and political theorists who have reclaimed the Lovecraftian style.Music by CO.AG Music & SHADE08 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Horror month continues! This week, Vita Breva (@vitabreva) joins Jackal and Josiah to discuss Jennifer's Body (2009). We discuss the movie's poor contemporary reception and later reappraisal, the film's exploration of feminism, sexuality, and the post-911 era, the attempted character assassination of Megan Fox, as well as Vita's Girardian read on the film. Follow today's guest on Twitter @vitabrevaFollow today's guest on Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/vitabreva/Become a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonReferencesVita's review of Jennifer's Body (2009), https://letterboxd.com/vitabreva/film/jennifers-body/1/"The Passion of the Christ (2004)," Girls, Guts, and Giallo, https://www.patreon.com/posts/passion-of-2004-84479521"The Wicker Man (1973)," Girls, Guts, and Giallo, https://www.patreon.com/posts/wicker-man-1973-108827516"We've all been pronouncing Amanda Seyfried wrong," Glamour, https://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/article/amanda-seyfried-prononuciation"When Michael Bay Degraded Megan Fox—Then Tried to Sabotage Her Career," Marlow Stern in the Daily Beast, https://www.thedailybeast.com/when-michael-bay-degraded-megan-foxthen-tried-to-sabotage-her-career/"Michael Bay's Crew Bitchslaps Megan Fox," Nikki Finke in Deadline, https://deadline.com/2009/09/transformers-crew-talk-back-to-megan-fox-15879/"'I Eat Boys': Monstrous Femininity in Jennifer's Body," Victoria Santamaría Ibor in Babel AFIAL, PDF, https://revistas.uvigo.es/index.php/AFIAL/article/download/4301/3375"Popular girl goes bad, begins to devour teen flesh," Roger Ebert, https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/jennifers-body-2009"How Jennifer’s Body went from a flop in 2009 to a feminist cult classic today," Constance Grady in Vox, https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/10/31/18037996/jennifers-body-flop-cult-classic-feminist-horror"The life, death, and rebirth of Jennifer’s Body, according to screenwriter Diablo Cody," Emily St. James in Vox, https://www.vox.com/i-think-youre-interesting/2018/11/10/18080168/jennifers-body-diablo-cody-interview-rebornMusic & audio creditsToccata and Fugue in D Minor - Johann Sebastian BachThrough the Trees - Low ShoulderYesterday – bloom. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Alt title: Despite Looking Like an Ogre, Danzig Does Not Have LayersHorror Month at Fruitless continues! This week, Caleb Sutton (@theboghog) joins Jackal and Josiah to discuss Misfits and the king of horror punk, Glenn Danzig. Please listen, I suffered through Verotika (2019) for this one. Follow today's guest on Twitter @theboghog or also on Twitter @clebsootenFollow today's guest on Letterboxd: https://letterboxd.com/csutton2/Become a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonReferencesCaleb's Glenn Danzig playlist: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/40bEmV8T8eYYu4lTOzNvdd?si=152672dfb81546f4Verotika (2019)Review of Verotika from someone who was at the premiere, Lee Kolcz, https://letterboxd.com/leekolcz/film/verotika/"Before Bauhaus: How Goth Became Goth," Trash Theory on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GbgQBjBfPA"Siouxsie & The Banshees: Jet Black Pop Darlings ("Spellbound")," Trash Theory on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpcGfgNIhUM"Glenn Danzig Reflects on Early Punk Days," Rolling Stone on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5QTFDxX2yE"Glenn Danzig on the Horror that Scares Him," Rolling Stone on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jx0VeMbfJkAudio creditsToccata and Fugue in D Minor - Johann Sebastian BachLast Caress - MisfitsI Put a Spell on You - Screamin' Jay HawkinsRelease the Bats - The Birthday PartyCities in Dust - Siouxsie and the BansheesNazi Punks Fuck Off - Dead KennedysBloodfeast - MisfitsAstro Zombies - MisfitsNight of the Living Dead - MisfitsReturn of the Fly - MisfitsBullet - MisfitsWhere Eagles Dare - MisfitsMother - DanzigTheme for a Jackal - Misfits ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

It's Horror Month at Fruitless, and we're kicking it off with some Italian horror. Jesse Hawken (@jessehawken, Junk Filter) joins Josiah and Jackal to discuss Don't Torture a Duckling (1972), Lucio Fulci's rural giallo about a string of child murders happening in a small Italian village. We discuss Catholicism, modernity, and Disney in Italy. Content warning: discussion of sexual violence and pedophilia.Follow today's guest on Twitter @jessehawken and Bluesky @jessehawken.bsky.socialCheck out Junk Filter: https://patreon.com/junkfilterBecome a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonMusic & audio creditsToccata and Fugue in D Minor - Johann Sebastian BachQuei giorni insieme a te - Riz OrtolaniYesterday – bloom.Quei giorni insieme a te - Ornella Vanoni ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

This is the sixth installment of the Fruitless Bookclub, a show-within-a-show, featuring Chris Barker and Jake the Lawyer, where we read all those nonfiction books we've been meaning to read. Today's episode is about ...And Forgive Them Their Debts: Lending, Foreclosure, and Redemption From Bronze Age Finance to the Jubilee Year by Michael Hudson. We're talking debt forgiveness! We're talking bronze age names that we can't pronounce! And we're talking about how a lot of modern political and religious concepts originate in bronze age practices that are now uniformly rejected by our institutions and their weird Austrian economists. Come join us as we learn how the Biblical calls for debt forgiveness were, in fact, very literal.Become a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work here: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonMusic & Audio creditsYesterday – bloom.Violence - Parquet Courts ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Jackal and Josiah catch up on some current events before we launch into Horror Month in October. We discuss an article about the LAPD conducting a pot raid, Mark Robinson's "black Nazi" scandal, Israel's attack on Lebanon, and the fearmonger over Haitian immigrants before zooming in on the indictment of Eric Adams and why being the Mayor of New York is a curse.Become a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonReferences"LAPD raid goes from bad to farce after gun allegedly sucked onto MRI machine," Lester Black in SFGate, https://www.sfgate.com/cannabis/article/lapd-cannabis-mri-raid-19789448.php"Calif. cops forced to return $800,000 in pot after controversial raid," Lester Black in SFGate, https://www.sfgate.com/cannabis/article/calif-cops-forced-to-return-800k-in-cannabis-19370034.php"Netanyahu vows to use ‘full force’ against Hezbollah and dims hopes for a cease-fire," Bassem Mroue, Tia Goldenberg, Melanie Lidman in Associated Press, https://apnews.com/article/israel-lebanon-hezbollah-gaza-news-09-26-2024-486f5aecac210273611124f9ade95fc6"Israel Deliberately Blocked Humanitarian Aid to Gaza, Two Government Bodies Concluded. Antony Blinken Rejected Them." Brett Murphy in ProPublica, https://www.propublica.org/article/gaza-palestine-israel-blocked-humanitarian-aid-blinken"'A heartless disgrace': Des Moines passes homeless camping ban amid public uproar," Virginia Barreda in Des Moines Register, https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/local/des-moines/2024/09/16/des-moines-passes-homeless-camping-ban-amid-public-uproar/75249608007/"Why do they hate Haitians?" Josiah Sutton in Digital Burnout, https://josiahwsutton.substack.com/p/why-do-they-hate-haitians"‘I’m a black NAZI!’: NC GOP nominee for governor made dozens of disturbing comments on porn forum," Andrew Kaczynski and Em Steck in CNN, https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/19/politics/kfile-mark-robinson-black-nazi-pro-slavery-porn-forum/index.html"It's cliché to point out hypocrisy," Josiah Sutton in Josiah's Media Round-Up, https://josiahlist.substack.com/p/its-cliche-to-point-out-hypocrisyLauren Windsor's accusation toward Chris Rufo: https://x.com/lawindsor/status/1836932778933313704Steven Monacelli independently verifying email address linked to Rufo; thread also includes Rufo's attempt at making an OnlyFans for Lauren Windsor: https://x.com/stevanzetti/status/1837172969367359653"Magazine writer Olivia Nuzzi is on leave over an alleged relationship with RFK Jr.," Rachel Treisman in NPR, https://www.npr.org/2024/09/20/nx-s1-5120486/olivia-nuzzi-rfk-jr-ny-magazine"Pizza Rat: New York City's infamous rodent, explained," Margarita Noriega in Vox, https://www.vox.com/2015/9/21/9366729/ny-subway-pizza-rat"Rudy Giuliani Hits Rock Bottom for the 967,345th Time," Bess Levin in Vanity Fair, https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/rudy-giuliani-hits-rock-bottom-for-the-967345th-timeUnited States of America v. Eric Adams, Sealed Indictment: https://www.justice.gov/d9/2024-09/u.s._v._adams_indictment_1.pdfTrueAnon thread of indictment highlights: https://x.com/trueanonpod/status/1839322899918061593Additional indictment highlight from Ali Najmi: https://x.com/ali_najmi/status/1839336789234131051Music & audio credits90's Lofi type beat - LiadiiiYesterday – bloom."Vance defends pet-eating claims, says he's willing to 'create stories'," Politico on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVJ_Icosa3sSentimental - Dan DarmawanNiebla - El Shirota ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/112810434It's the music exchange! This month, Josh and I discuss Christmas Island by AJJ and Atomizer by Big Black. Also Josh talks about going to Riot Fest.Music by AJJ, Big Black, and SHADE08 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/112681845Joseph (@gross_online) joins Josiah, Josh, and James (@cigarette_liker) to finally accomplish the dream of having four J names on one episode, and also to discuss the most recent season of The Righteous Gemstones. Shout out to monster trucks.Music by The Righteous Gemstones & SHADE08 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Alt title: The Iconic Movie Where John Goodman Voices a ParrotWith the help of neutral observer, Kelli (@Kellitoris444), Josiah and Caleb (@theboghog) meet their inner child by watching a forgotten Australian adventure film from the 90s where a parrot helps a young boy find treasure: The Real Macaw (1998).Become a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonMusic & audio creditsYesterday – bloom.Treasure in You (Conti/Saltzman), performed by Rod Davies ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/111921570James (@cigarette_liker), Josh, and I don our baptismal rompers and continue our discussion of The Righteous Gemstones by taking a look at season 2. Shout out to masculinity.Music by The Righteous Gemstones & SHADE08 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/111152705It's the music exchange! This is a monthly series where Josh Christianson and I exchange an album that's meaningful to us, and then compare and contrast them. This month we're discussing Sprained Ankle by Julien Baker and Monotheist by Celtic Frost.Music by Julien Baker, Celtic Frost, and SHADE08 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On today's episode, James C. Liker (@cigarette_liker), Josh Christianson, and Josiah are running through the house with a pickle in their mouth to kick off a series of episodes on The Righteous Gemstones. This month, we discuss the first season and introduce the show; over the next months or two, we'll be discussing the rest of the show on the Patreon.Follow James on Twitter @cigarette_liker // Bluesky @cigaretteliker.bsky.socialBecome a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonReferencesThe Righteous Gemstones, Season 1."Exclusive: High-Tech Sheep-Stealing? Elevation Church Accused of Using Location-Based Ads to Geofence Other Churches, Steal Their Congregants," Protestia, https://protestia.com/2024/07/18/stealing/Music & audio creditsThe Righteous Gemstones, Opening Title SequenceMisbehavin' (1960s) - Aimee-Leigh, Baby Billy & Joseph StephensYesterday – bloom.Misbehavin' (1989) - Aimee-Leigh, Baby Billy & Joseph Stephens ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Alt title: Getting Queerbaited by God. Note: We will be spoiling this whole show.Caleb (@theboghog) tries to explain Supernatural to Josiah and Jackal by throwing them into the deep end: the big God reveal.Become a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonReferencesSupernatural, S11E20, "Don't Call Me Shurley."Supernatural, S11E21, "All in the Family.""Lecture 3. The Hebrew Bible in Its Ancient Near Eastern Setting: Genesis 1-4 in Context," YaleCourses on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANUD8IK12msMusic & audio creditsSentimental - Dan DarmawanYesterday – bloom.Antimateria - Beta Máximo ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

On today's episode, Jack Mirkinson (@jackmirkinson, The Nation, Discourse Blog) joins Josiah to discuss the "vibe shift" in electoral politics over the past two months from Biden dropping out to the Veepstakes. In a lot of left wing circles, there seems to be a real resurgence of hope, but does this vibe shift represent anything different for Gaza?Follow Jack Mirkinson on Twitter @jackmirkinson // Bluesky @jackmirkinson.bsky.socialFind more of Jack's work in The Nation: https://www.thenation.com/authors/jack-mirkinson/Check out Discourse Blog: https://www.discourseblog.com/Become a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonReferences"A Vibe Shift Won't Save Gaza," Jack Mirkinson in The Nation, https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/gaza-kamala-harris-tim-walz/"This Is How Power Protects Itself," Ibid, https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/columbia-ccny-cuny-protest-nypd-police-brutality/"These Dummies Were Wrong About Tim Walz and I Was Right," Rafi Schwartz in Discourse Blog, https://www.discourseblog.com/p/these-dummies-were-wrong-about-timMusic & audio creditsEastern European Post Punk - LaffyyYesterday – bloom."Watch: Biden Stumbles Over His Words During Debate Against Trump," WSJ News on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdOfiPyY87I"Watch Donald Trump's 2024 RNC speech in full," 6abc Philadelphia on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRUHMK9-gBg"George Bush Debate," Saturday Night Live on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_01LySbRnY"Tim Walz on calling Donald Trump weird," Guardian News on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK155YkhoEY"It's Not Just 'Childless Cat Ladies': JD Vance Once Described Childless People as "Sociopathic,'" Democracy Now! on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5SBpt0Tsw0"JD Vance Called People Without Kids 'Childless Cat Ladies,'" Inside Edition on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBTz3n9ZzPASentimental - Dan Darmawan"'I’m speaking': Kamala Harris hits back at protesters during Detroit campaign rally," Guardian News on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmzJaidv3iIIn My Dreams – bloom. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/109460562I'm in Colorado Spring, Colorado with Leo Dickenson to see The Worst of All Possible Worlds live. We recorded this little conversation about Adventures in Odyssey and growing up evangelical in an EconoLodge. Originally it was going to be a quick little bonus episode but we talked long enough to make it a proper Patreon episode, so here you go. Enjoy. Music by SHADE08 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/worshipful-109038929It's August now, but Fruitless is still stuck in Christian Rock Summer for one little encore. Nate Thiessen (@NateT93) joins Josiah to discuss his time playing worship bands, the weird business of CCLI, and the connection between his evangelical background and his career as a rock musician.Music by SHADE08 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/saint-of-ccm-108989125Here it is: the fifth and final episode of Christian Rock Summer, a month long exploration of the fringes of Christian music with Josh Christianson joining Josiah as co-host.Today, we are wrapping up with the king of CCM: Rich Mullins. Focusing primarily on his life and his saint-like role in the world of worship music, we discuss Mullins' radical and compassionate vision of evangelical Christianity, his discomfort with masculinity, the potentially queer aspects of his life, and ultimately why our God is, in fact, an awesome God who is going to rain hellfire down on the RNC.Music by SHADE08Additional audio creditsRich Mullins: A Ragamuffin's Legacy (2014) ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

It's Christian Rock Summer! This is the fourth episode in a month long exploration of the fringes of Christian music with Josh Christianson joining Josiah as co-host. However, we're pivoting away from rock and roll in the second half of the month to focus our hearts and minds on the Lord. We're talking worship music.On today's episode, Kim Hensley joins Josh and Josiah to talk about her time as a worship leader. We talk about her education in music ministry, the politics and business of large evangelical churches, and why Kim ultimately left. Become a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonAudio creditsJesus Freak - dc TalkAwesome God - Rich MullinsYesterday – bloom. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Taking a brief* intermission from Christian Rock Summer, this is the fifth installment of the Fruitless Bookclub, a show-within-a-show, featuring Chris Barker and Jake the Lawyer, where we read all those nonfiction books we've been meaning to read. Today's episode is about If We Burn: The Mass Protest Decade and the Missing Revolution by Vincent Bevins. We talk about Occupy, the Arab Spring, Euromaidan, and so many other massive, spontaneous political movements during the 2010s that, ultimately, ended in defeat. Why did this happen? And what can we learn from the decade of mass protest? *the longest episode of Fruitless, and I think longest episode of any podcast, I've ever doneBecome a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work here: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonMusic & audio creditsYesterday – bloom.In My Dreams – bloom. ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

THIS IS A PREVIEW. IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE, CHECK OUT FRUITLESS ON PATREON HERE: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/posts/grieving-son-of-107912223It's Christian Rock Summer! This is the second episode in a month long exploration of the fringes of Christian music with Josh Christianson joining me as co-host. We're talking "not a Christian band, just Christians in a band." We're talking Christianity being more of a relationship than a religion. On today's episode, Josh and I tackle the godfather of Christian indie, David Bazan of Pedro the Lion. We discuss Bazan's life and career trajectory, his messy "break up with God," and his role as a friend and critic of evangelicalism. We also discuss some of my favorite songs ever written.Music by SHADE08Additional audio credits"BCPOD 22 David Bazan of Pedro the Lion," Bad ChristianStrange Negotiations (2019) ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

It's Christian Rock Summer! This is the second episode in a month long exploration of the fringes of Christian music with Josh Christianson joining Josiah as co-host. We're talking "not a Christian band, just Christians in a band." We're talking Christianity being more of a relationship than a religion. On today's episode, Nathan Thiessen (@NateT93) joins Josh and Josiah to talk about the post-hardcore band, Emery, and the podcast it gave birth to: Bad Christian. They discuss the band's role in the world of Christian alternative music, the complex relationship with purity culture in their early lyrics, and the way that they represented something of an off-ramp for many young people within conservative evangelicalism, including Josiah and Nate. Follow today's guest on Instagram @nathanthiessenmusic and on Twitter @NateT93Become a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonReferencesThe Emery Episode, Spotify Playlist, https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5rfYKX6Os6RiyWyhVpyyQS?si=87257b46a1c6433c"BCPOD 22 David Bazan of Pedro the Lion," Bad Christian, https://open.spotify.com/episode/6C91sZZAdfMalhbLLKL1U0?si=9884b165081e4c7dNPR, All Things Considered, "Christians Turn To Podcasts To Say Things They Can't Say In Church," https://www.npr.org/transcripts/518644045?storyId=518644045/?storyId=518644045"What Would Jesus Sell? w. Toby Morrell (Bad Christian / Emery)," The System is Down on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76adDwor0rcsongmeanings.com"Christian Rocker, 10-Year Mars Hill Member Says Mark Driscoll Resignation Is 'Good News'," The Christian Post, https://www.christianpost.com/news/christian-rocker-10-year-mars-hill-member-says-mark-driscoll-resignation-is-good-news.html "Matt Carter," Rise Seattle Podcast, http://www.riseseattlepodcast.com/podcast/2017/10/16/s2-e3-matt-carter-bad-christians-in-seattle"Toby Morrell," Christian Metal Group FB on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnxKTBSp4Y8Audio creditsJesus Freak - dc TalkWalls - EmeryNPR, All Things Considered, "Christians Turn To Podcasts To Say Things They Can't Say In Church.""What Would Jesus Sell? w. Toby Morrell (Bad Christian / Emery)," The System is Down on YouTubeYesterday – bloom.The Party Song - EmeryWorld Away - EmeryCutthroat Collapse - EmeryFractions - EmeryBloodless - EmerySo Cold I Could See My Breath - EmeryStudying Politics - EmeryReturning the Smile You Have Had From the Start - EmeryListening to Freddie Mercury - EmeryRock-N-Rule - EmeryCan't Stop the Killer - EmeryDon't Bore Us, Get to the Chorus - EmeryButcher's Mouth - EmeryThe Smile, The Face - Emery ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

It's Christian Rock Summer! This is the beginning of a month long exploration of the fringes of Christian music with Josh Christianson joining Josiah as co-host. We're talking "not a Christian band, just Christians in a band." We're talking Christianity being more of a relationship than a religion. On today's episode, James (@cigarette_liker) joins Josh and Josiah to discuss the hardcore/metalcore/mathcore band, The Chariot, and its charismatic front man, Josh Scogin. They discuss the band's discography, their notorious live shows, what made them unique at the time, and whether or not there is a political or religious philosophy behind it all.NOTE: I recorded the Patreon shout outs for this episode in June, so I missed a new person. So you get a shout out in the show notes. Thank you for supporting the show, racecaracecaracecar!Follow today's guest on Twitter @cigarette_liker and on Bluesky @cigarettelikerBecome a Fruitless Patron here: https://www.patreon.com/user?u=11922141Check out Fruitless on YouTubeFind more of Josiah’s work: https://linktr.ee/josiahwsuttonFollow Josiah on Twitter @josiahwsuttonReferencesThe The Chariot Episode, Spotify Playlist, https://open.spotify.com/playlist/67c0zm8pnEOJDm5RkEt5ZX?si=98987567dc45493f Video to watch to get a feel for The Chariot's energy, the infamous pears incident: "THE CHARIOT PERTH 2011," https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR4uoOVah7IAnother good video to see their stage presence: "The Chariot - Live in Plan B, Moscow 05.04.2012," https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htdulnrNKyMhate5six on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/@hate5sixI learned about Scogin leaving Norma Jean in the middle of a show from this essay: "The Theology of the Chariot," Mason Mennenga, https://masonmennenga.com/writings-1/2020/12/23/the-theology-of-the-chariotuswithoutThem, https://uswithoutthempod.com/"Jonathan Kindler: The Chariot," The BlackSheep Podcast, https://hmmagazine.com/podcast/jonathan-kindler-the-chariot/"Stephen Harrison: The Chariot and Fever 333," The BlackSheep Podcast, https://hmmagazine.com/podcast/stephen-harrison-the-chariot-and-fever-333"Bryan Taylor: The Chariot, The Threats, and Slowriter," The BlackSheep Podcast, https://hmmagazine.com/podcast/bryan-taylor-the-chariot-the-threats-and-slowriter/"Ex-The Chariot Members Say Josh Scogin Fired Them Because God Told Him To," The PRP, https://www.theprp.com/2018/06/04/news/ex-the-chariot-members-say-josh-scogin-fired-them-because-god-told-him-to/Ladies and Gentlemen... The Chariot: Tour Documentary, YouTube, originally on DVD, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voQ0A3P2Zy0The Chariot live at the Chameleon Club, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNBkiBbDs3Y"Josh Scogin of The Chariot - Testimony at Soulfest," SoulFest on YouTube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_O9InNvZwUAudio creditsJesus Freak - dc TalkJosh Scogin of The Chariot - Testimony at Soulfest," SoulFest on YouTube"Bryan Taylor: The Chariot, The Threats, and Slowriter," The BlackSheep PodcastYesterday – bloom.The Company, The Comfort, The Grave - The ChariotMemphis Will Be Laid to Waste - Norma JeanAnd Shot Each Other - The Chariot"The Chariot - Live in Plan B, Moscow 05.04.2012," https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htdulnrNKyM"THE CHARIOT PERTH 2011," https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR4uoOVah7IBack to Back - The ChariotTeach: - The ChariotIn My Dreams – bloom.The City - The Chariot ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Hey everyone! Something came up and so I won't be able to release another free episode in June. To make up for that, I'm releasing this Patreon episode to the main feed. If you want a bit more detail, you can check out this Patreon post: https://www.patreon.com/posts/defeat-107021276 I kind of regretted pay-walling this one anyway, especially since I want to spread the word about this wonderful show. So enjoy! Jackal joins Josiah to discuss the animated New Weird series, Scavengers Reign and, ultimately, pitch you all on watching it. They try to avoid spoilers as they discuss body and environmental horror, the influence of Jeff VanderMeer, the return of working class sci-fi, and also a little bit about AI, Starfield, and the Gaia Hypothesis.ReferencesScavengers (2016), https://www.shortfilmwindow.com/scavengers/Scavengers Reign, Season 1 (2023), Netflix."Savage Planet: How ‘Scavengers Reign’ Creators Evolved Their Acclaimed Short into a Thrilling Sci-Fi Series," Jeff Spry in Animation Magazine, https://www.animationmagazine.net/2023/10/savage-planet-how-scavengers-reign-creators-evolve-their-acclaimed-short-into-a-thrilling-sci-fi-series/Music creditsScavengers Reign Theme - Nicolas SnyderUnreal - SHADE08After Dark - SHADE08 ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★