For Crying Out Loud

Lynette is back in studio and opens this week’s first show by talking about her vacation to Florida and possibly getting shingles. This leads the ladies into a little talk about vaccines. After that, Stefanie talks about her brand new podcast Drunk-ish, which leads to a conversation about how hard it is to start a new podcast and get listeners. Before they wrap, Lynette talks about her girls trip Phoenix getting cancelled, picking up a cat for her friend that’s now bonded with Phil, and her daughter getting sick while on a trip to MexicoFollow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

Stefanie welcomes her friend, former actress, and fellow speech & debate mom Tamara Mello to the show for this week’s second episode. The ladies open the show by talking about mispronunciation of common words. Stef then asks Tamara about her acting career and being on the show Popular. This leads Tamara to talk about the struggles she’s had with mental health and how it affected her acting career. Before they wrap, Tamara talks about her Jewelry line. And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors: FactorMeals.com/FCOL50off enter code FCOL50off Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @lumedeodorant and get 15% off with promo code FCOL at LumeDeodorant.com! #lumepod Upwork.com Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

Lynette has a frustrating time at the mall and we left an old ad in about Hip Hop class.

Stefanie welcomes her friend and fan favorite Robyn Wisinski into the studio this week while Lynette is still on her vacation. The ladies open the show by talking about Robyn’s new dog, which leads Stef to remember when she first got her dog. Robyn then gives an update on how her adult son with autism did with college. After that, Robyn talks about her son trying to find a job but getting duped by some shady characters. Before they wrap, Robyn talks about her son’s future plans.And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors: FactorMeals.com/FCOL50off enter code FCOL50off Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @lumedeodorant and get 15% off with promo code FCOL at LumeDeodorant.com! #lumepod Upwork.com Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

On this week’s second episode, Stefanie welcomes into the studio podcast hosts Meredith Lynch and Molly McAleer. Stefanie opens the show by asking Molly about her podcasts Trend Lightly & Mother, May I Sleep With? Stef then asks about how Molly and Meredith first met each other. After that, the ladies talk about older TV shows like ER, which lead them to wonder what show they would revive if they could. Before they wrap, the gang gets into some pop culture talk. And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors:Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @lumedeodorant and get 15% off with promo code FCOL at LumeDeodorant.com! #lumepodPrettyLitter.com/FCOLThriveCausemetics.com/FCOLNutrafol.com enter FCOL Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

It's the San Franciso family vacation where you can hear all about the Giradelli Chocolate attraction and ALCATRAZ!

Stefanie welcomes fan favorite Meredith Lynch to the show this week while Lynette is on vacation. The ladies open the show by talking about Facebook groups and internet bullying. They go on to talk a little bit about Meghan Markle, Oprah, and the new Blue Origin space flight. After that, Meredith provides some unknown tea on a major Hollywood actor. Before they wrap, Stef’s asks Meredith about her upbringing in Massachusetts. And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors:Control Body Odor ANYWHERE with @lumedeodorant and get 15% off with promo code FCOL at LumeDeodorant.com! #lumepodPrettyLitter.com/FCOLThriveCausemetics.com/FCOLNutrafol.com enter FCOL Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

Lynette opens this week’s second show by talking about her plans to go out of town for next two weeks to see some family. This leads the ladies to talk about various holiday’s and whether or not they’re important enough to take time off from recording new podcast episodes. After that, Stefanie continues her Speech and Debate weekend story that she started on the last episode. And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors:MyAlloy.com/FCOL enter FCOL SpotAndTango.com/FCOL Try VIIA! https://viia.co/FCOL and use code FCOL Start the new year off right with Honeylove. Get 20% OFF by going to honeylove.com/FCOLFollow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

Stef gets sucked into going to an escape room for a child's birthday party and it's about as fun as expected.

Lynette and Stefanie open the show by remembering the difference just one or two years would make when the kids were little. Lynette then talks about Natalia going to see a DJ perform which leads them to remember when they had fake ID’s. After that, Lynette talks about a Dateline episode about Lori Vallow. Before they wrap, Stefanie recaps Xander’s speech and debate tournament over the weekend. MyAlloy.com/FCOL enter FCOL SpotAndTango.com/FCOL And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors: Try VIIA! https://viia.co/FCOL and use code FCOL Start the new year off right with Honeylove. Get 20% OFF by going to honeylove.com/FCOL! Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

Lynette and Stefanie open this week’s second show by talking to Producer Caelan about his horrible college tour experience while he was in high School. The ladies then welcome their in-studio guest Stacey Garcia, who has a new podcast out called Never Miss A Monday. Stacey is a health and wellness advocate, former fitness trainer, and Reiki practitioner, who wanted to start a podcast on those topics but was diagnosed with breast cancer in 2024. Lynette and Stefanie ask Stacey about her journey over the last year dealing with her diagnosis, having surgery, telling her children, losing friends, and finding silver linings. Stacey also provides some great advice and insight into some steps women should take to find and properly identify any potential tumors that may present. Thanks for supporting today’s sponsor: Quince.com/FCOL For more on Stacey Garcia email_ [email protected]_ https://www.instagram.com/self_care_with_stacey/FB_ https://www.facebook.com/stacey.nevens.garciaWebsite www.selfcarewithstacey.comPodcast_ [email protected]_ www.linkedin.com/in/staceyagarcia Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

Lynette moves into her condo, Stef moves into her new bedroom and Ms. Koontz rides again!

Lynette and Stefanie open the show by talking about recommending things to do in LA for out of towners, as well as The Oscars. Lynette then recaps going out for one of her girlfriend's birthdays and Stef teases an upcoming speech and debate tournament. After that, the ladies discuss their kids getting older, which reminds them of some of the times they were very young. Before they wrap, the hang talks about the Ruby Franke documentary, The White Lotus, and the new Love is Blind season. And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors:Quince.com/FCOLFollow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

Lynette and Stefanie open this week’s second show by talking about the show Traitors, which leads to some weird food talk. Stefanie then talks about Sadie’s sleep troubles and the ladies remember a few of their old apartments in LA. After that, Lynette and Stefanie have a discussion about young adults in college and planning for jobs afterwards. This leads them to give a few update on how their kids are doing in college. And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors:Try VIIA! https://viia.co/FCOL and use code FCOL Start the new year off right with Honeylove. Get 20% OFF by going to honeylove.com/FCOL! Nutrafol.com enter FCOL Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcast Watch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcast Join our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

In this classic from 2022, Stefanie deals with an awful lady about IPAs and 504's! We call her Ms. Kuntz...I mean Koontz. Plus, we break down dating on the apps, profiles, opening lines and more!

Lynette and Stefanie open the show by talking about the White Lotus and a new Fyre Festival. Then the ladies go over their kids musical tastes and how unrelatable they can be. After that, Lynette and Stef remember some of their older episodes and funny sponsors throughout the years. This leads them to talk about a few of the times they got in trouble from people in their lives listening to the podcast. And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors:Try VIIA! https://viia.co/FCOL and use code FCOL Start the new year off right with Honeylove. Get 20% OFF by going to honeylove.com/FCOL! Nutrafol.com enter FCOL Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcast Watch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcast Join our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

Lynette and Stefanie welcome their friend Dr. Bruce to this week’s second episode of For Crying Out Loud. Bruce first talks about his transition into addiction medicine over the years and the ladies ask him about medications like Ozempic to help with addictions. This leads Stefanie to talk about the shame that comes with being labeled an addict and how different people react when religion is linked with programs like AA. After that, Bruce goes over how he deals with addicts who have chronic pain and need specific medication. The ladies then ask Dr. Bruce about the bird flu everyones been hearing about, as well as how effective masks really are. Before they wrap, Bruce talks a little bit about a new trend in treating PTSD and depression with psychedelics. And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors: Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance. Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/FCOL #rulapod PrettyLitter.com/FCOL ThriveCausemetics.com/FCOL Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcast Watch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcast Join our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

All the kids are playing basketball and we had a lot to say about it.

Lynette and Stefanie open the show by talking about the special SNL episode over the weekend. This leads Stef to remember the time she wrote jokes for Steve Martin. After that, Stef talks about Jon getting sick, and the ladies go over default parenting. Before they wrap, Lynette and Stefanie talk a bit about the Girl Scouts. And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors: Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance. Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/FCOL #rulapod PrettyLitter.com/FCOL ThriveCausemetics.com/FCOL Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcast Watch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcast Join our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

Lynette and Stefanie open this week’s second show by giving an update on the kids in college. Stefanie then talks about going to a party, which reminds her of the time she first met Lisa Loeb. After that, Lynette talks about some new development in the Idaho murders case. Before they wrap, the ladies talk about a few things they’ve been watching And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors:Try VIIA! https://viia.co/FCOL and use code FCOL Start the new year off right with Honeylove. Get 20% OFF by going to honeylove.com/FCOL! Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcast Watch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcast Join our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

Lynette tells the Mobile Muffin story to end all Mobile Muffin stories.

Stefanie opens this week’s first episode by talking about falling off the sugar wagon at the Super Bowl party she went to. Thi leads the ladies to discuss the football game, the halftime show and some of the commercials. After that, producer Caelan tells the ladies about a big shake up that occured in the NBA when it comes to the Los Angeles Lakers. Before they wrap, Lynette and Stef give some health updates on their dogs.And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors:Try VIIA! https://viia.co/FCOL and use code FCOLStart the new year off right with Honeylove. Get 20% OFF by going to honeylove.com/FCOL!Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

Lynette opens this week’s second show by talking about her dog Phil getting pneumonia. Stefanie then talks about when her kids were younger, and provides an update to the school Grease performance. After that, Stef went to judge another one of Xander’s speech and debate tournaments. Before they wrap, Stefanie talks about a funny online video from a few years ago.And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors: Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance. Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/FCOL #rulapodHelloFresh.com/Fcol10FM Quince.com/FCOLNutrafol.com enter FCOLFollow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

Stefanie has a commercial audtion and it goes about as well as you'd expect from someone who isn't good at acting or auditions.

Lynette and Stefanie open this week’s first show by talking about SNL both back in the day and today. This leads the ladies to go over a few things they’ve been watching recently. Before they wrap, Stefanie explains the Blake Lively and Justin Baldoney feud to Lynette. And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors: Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance. Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/FCOL #rulapodHelloFresh.com/Fcol10FM Quince.com/FCOLNutrafol.com enter FCOL

Stefanie opens this week’s second show by talking about running into some coffee problems while helping run an event for the kids school. Stef then talks about risking a potentially awkward encounter in order to try and make some new friends. After that the gang gets into talking a bit about some of the most notable TV series of the past 20 years. Before they wrap, Lynette gives an update on the kids going back to school. Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

It's the origin story of all of our Ikea jokes. The Ikea Karen plus, slime Karens! This episode is iconic.

Lynette and Stefanie open the show by talking about football and the upcoming Super Bowl. The ladies then give a few uopdates on each of their dogs. After that, Lynette and Stef talk about Howard Stern and his producer Gary Dell'Abate. Before they wrap, they continue talking about some radio shows, as well as The Bachelor. Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

Lynette opens this week’s second show by talking about Sonny having a run in with the police in their neighborhood the other night. The ladies then get into a discussion about drinking and smoking. This leads Stef to give an update on her cutting out sugar. Before they wrap, Stefanie talks about her daughter needing to get a ride across town after leaving her keys with a friend. And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors: Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance. Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/FCOL #rulapod PrettyLitter.com/FCOL ThriveCausemetics.com/FCOLFollow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

In this very old skool episode, Lynette tells a juicy story about a massage that almost went...there. Plus, kid tantrums and much much more.

Lynette opens the show by talking about spending time volunteering to try and help with some of the victims of the LA Fires. Stefanie then talks about Xander auditioning for Grease at their school, without ever having seen the movie. This Leads Lynette to remember working at ABC and reading scripts or hearing show pitches she thought would fail. Before they wrap, Stefanie tells the story of getting embarrassed at a party years ago, which leads to an unfortunate ending to the night. And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors: Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance. Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/FCOL #rulapod PrettyLitter.com/FCOL ThriveCausemetics.com/FCOLFollow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

Stefanie opens the show talking about her experience with the fires last week, which led to her evacuating to her brother’s place. After that, Lynette talks about her Christmas white elephant gift actually coming in handy. Before they wrap, Lynette and Stef talk a little bit about what they’ve been watching.And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors:Start the new year off right with Honeylove. Get 20% OFF by going to honeylove.com/FCOL #honeylovepodNutrafol.com enter FCOLFollow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

Stefanie cracks her molar on pizza and Lynette breaks a tooth on chopsticks. And so it begins...

On today’s episode, Lynette recaps her week being evacuated from her house in La Canada while the Eaton fires came close to the neighborhood.And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors:Start the new year off right with Honeylove. Get 20% OFF by going to honeylove.com/FCOL #honeylovepodNutrafol.com enter FCOLFollow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

Stefanie opens the show by talking about some of our “old skool” episodes that we’ve been re-releasing lately. Stef then talks about a rave her daughter went to and the ladies discuss doing their kids laundry. After that, Stefanie recaps about a birthday brunch she went to, which leads to a conversation about gift giving. Before they wrap, Stef talks about a podcast she’s been listening to. And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors:Try VIIA! https://viia.co/FCOL and use code FCOLQuince.com/FCOL Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcast Watch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcast Join our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

In this Old Skool episode from 2018, Sadie's friend Takis comes back and spoiler alert, it doesn't go well. Plus, Stef's therapist has TOO MANY RULES.

Lynette and Stefanie open the show by talking about the Golden Globes. The ladies then give some updates on their dogs and Stef wonders if hers is developing doggy dementia. After that, the gang goes over their New Year’s events. Before they wrap, Stefanie talks about trying to get off sugar again. And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors:Try VIIA! https://viia.co/FCOL and use code FCOLQuince.com/FCOLFollow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

Stefanie opens the show by talking about her and the kids upcoming New Years Eve plans. This Leads Lynette and Caelan to go over their plans as well. After that, the gang gets into some deep movie and TV show talk with everything they’ve all watched over the break. Before they wrap, the ladies go over a few podcast recommendations. Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

From 2018: Playdate Pick Me Mom, Sex cult talk and more. This episode is pretty fun!

Lynette opens the show by talking about her long night last night dealing with her smoke detector. She then goes on to recap her holiday trip to Chicago with the kids over the break. This leads the gang to talk about the Whit Elephant games they played in. Before they wrap, Stefanie talks about her Christmas break and her internet going out for 5 days. Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

We found the episode from 2017 where Steven, I thought we was friends came from. The editing may be slightly choppy in parts because we had to cut out all the Sword & Scale talk but it's a fun episode. There is some porn chat and some Facebook group complaints!Check out the link to our sponsor this week VIIA! We absolutely love their gummies!https://bit.ly/viiafcol

This was a listener request where we read ridiculous negative reviews of beloved kid's classic books. I believe this was from 2017.Check our our sponsor this week VIIA to get some amazing gummies!https://bit.ly/viiafcol

Stefanie opens the show by talking about being a judge at her son’s speech and debate tournament over the weekend. Lynette then talks about hosting a holiday party for some of her old colleagues. After that, the ladies discuss the weird drone situation going on right now. Before they wrap, Stefanie started watching the JonBenet Ramsey documentary on Netflix. And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors:StoryWorth.com/FCOLQuince.com/FCOLNutrafol.com enter FCOLThriveCausemetics.com/FCOL Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

This episode from 2016 is very problematic and has us making jokes about sexual assault so please consider this a trigger warning but also, it was a situation where we were laughing because it was inappropriate. And then we couldn't stop laughing. But also there's good school talk. ALSO, Stef's child is referred to as their old name but there were just too many to take them all out.

Lynette opens this week’s first episode by recapping her recent trip to Las Vegas with her friend. Lynette then gives an update on Sonny’s broken ankle that she had to take care of last week. After that, Stefanie talks about her daughter getting stressed out with too much school work. Before they wrap, Lynette and Stef talks about Christmas presents. And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors:StoryWorth.com/FCOLQuince.com/FCOL Nutrafol.com enter FCOLThriveCausemetics.com/FCOL Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

Stefanie opens this week’s second show by asking her husband Jon about his new Youtube channel History in a Hurry. This leads the gang to have an interesting discussion on the history of world war 2 and the CIA. After that, Stef and Jon discuss comedy and comedians after watching Anthony Jeselnik’s recent stand up special. And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors: Try VIIA! https://bit.ly/viiafcol and use code [FCOL]!Reverse hair loss with @iRestorelaser and get $625 off with the code [FCOL] at irestorelaser.com/[FCOL]! #irestorepod Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

We found the story of how Stefanie almost poisoned Sadie's friend who we now call Takis. Plus, Caelan, Lynette and Stefanie all have a haunted house story! This episode is a true classic.

Stefanie welcomes her husband Jon into the studio this week after Lynette had to take her son to get his broken ankle looked at. Stef opens the show asking producer Caelan about some school volunteering he did over the weekend. The gang then talks about current and past kids cartoons. After that, Jon talks about taking the kids to a real concert recently. Before they wrap, Stefanie and Jon discuss putting too much pressure on kids when it comes to college. And thanks for supporting today’s sponsors: Try VIIA! https://bit.ly/viiafcol and use code [FCOL]!Reverse hair loss with @iRestorelaser and get $625 off with the code [FCOL] at irestorelaser.com/[FCOL]! #irestorepod Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

Lynette and Stef open the show by talking about Susan Smith, the woman who drove her kids into a lake 30 years ago, as well as hot car dad from 2014. After that, the ladies discuss a possible connection between P. Diddy, Ashton Kutcher, and Brittany Murphy. After that, Stefanie talks about a new true crime podcast she's been listening to called Lost Hills: Dark Canyon Podcast. Before they wrap, Stef revists the NXIVM cult and almost getting recruited by Allison MackAnd thanks for supporting today’s sponsors: Get 15% off @OakEssentials with the code [FCOL] at oakessentials.com/[FCOL]. #oakessentialspartner Follow us on all social media channels @FCOLpodcastWatch guest episodes on Youtube: Youtube.com/@FCOLpodcastJoin our Patreon page for an additional episode every week: Patreon.com/FCOL

We found the episode from 2019 where it doesn't matter if we're in another country and dad is on the couch, the kids, they will find us, even at the bottom of the ocean. Thanks to one of our listeners for doing the detective work on this one!