Fence Guy Podcast

Ever get ghosted after sending a quote, only to find out the customer went with the "cheap guy"? It's not them—it's your anchor. In this quick bonus episode, Craig dives into the psychology of Anchoring Bias. If you aren't the one setting the first price in the customer's head, you're letting a low-baller with a rusted truck define your worth. What's inside: The Bracket Move: How to drop a price range on the first call to weed out bad leads. Stop Being a Commodity: Why showing the "friction" (like jackhammering through rock) builds actual authority. Revenue vs. Sanity: Why scaling is about better margins, not just more crews. Stop burning gas just to be compared to the cheapest guy in town. Fix your anchor, fix your process, and go be a good human. 🤝 Thank You to Our Sponsors: 🔥 Brand Builders - https://www.gobrandbuilders.com 🔥 Contractor Accelerator - 50% OFF YOUR FIRST MONTH WITH CODE: FGF 🔥 FenceGPT - 10% OFF WITH CODE: FGF - www.fencegpt.com 🔥 Fencetrac Fence System - https://www.fencetrac.com 🔥 J.C. Gury - 5% OFF YOUR FIRST ORDER WHEN YOU MENTION FENCE GUY FRIDAY OVER THE PHONE 🔥 LiveSwitch - https://join.liveswitch.com/FenceGuyP ... 🔥 MySalesman - https://mysalesman.com

In this episode of Fence Guy Podcast, we sit down with Jeremy Brummels, VP of Sales for Nice North America . With over 30 years in the industry—starting as an installer in a service van to managing gate, door, and radio technology—Jeremy shares the "pro sales culture" every fence company needs to move from surviving to thriving We dive deep into why a good salesperson is a "better listener than a talker" and how to stop being an "order taker" who leaves money on the table . Jeremy also breaks down the "Speed to Lead" philosophy and why the first five minutes of a lead can dictate the entire direction of the sale . In this episode, we discuss: The First 5 Minutes: Why those initial moments determine the direction of the sale and help you decide if a client needs a quick transaction or a long-term relationship. Solving Problems vs. Price: How to stop being afraid of the "big number" by focusing on value and solving the customer's true pain points Bringing Automation In-House: Why many contractors are missing out on revenue by subbing out gate operators and why the technical side isn't as "hard" as you think . The Reality of Gate Safety: A serious look at UL 325 and the legal and financial risks of bypassing safety devices with resistors . Scaling Your Business: How to step back from the day-to-day "have-to's" to focus on the investments and shifts needed to reach the $5M–$8M revenue range If you're in the fence industry, this is one you don't want to miss. 🤝 Thank You to Our Sponsors: 🔥 Brand Builders - https://www.gobrandbuilders.com 🔥 Contractor Accelerator - 50% OFF YOUR FIRST MONTH WITH CODE: FGF 🔥 FenceGPT - 10% OFF WITH CODE: FGF - www.fencegpt.com 🔥 Fencetrac Fence System - https://www.fencetrac.com 🔥 J.C. Gury - 5% OFF YOUR FIRST ORDER WHEN YOU MENTION FENCE GUY FRIDAY OVER THE PHONE 🔥 LiveSwitch - https://join.liveswitch.com/FenceGuyP ... 🔥 MySalesman - https://mysalesman.com

Bonus Episode: Why You Feel "Stuck" (And How to Wake Up) In this special bonus episode, we're slowing things down to talk about that quiet, "fine-but-off" feeling many of us hit but don't know how to explain. Have you ever felt like you're doing everything you're supposed to do—working, staying busy, handling responsibilities—yet you aren't actually moving forward? The Challenge for This Week: Where in your life right now are you repeating instead of progressing? #FenceGuyPodcast #BonusEpisode #Mindset #PersonalGrowth #BreakingRoutine #MentalHealth #Motivation2026

In this episode of the Fence Guy Podcast, we sit down with Matt Chiaradonna as he brings serious value on what it really takes to grow and lead in the fence industry. From running a successful fence company to building Elite Technique and helping shape the next generation through AFA Foreman Training, Matt shares real-world insights on leadership, scaling your business, and what's actually working right now. We dive into: What separates good fence companies from great ones The mindset shift from installer to business owner Building strong crews and leadership from within Lessons from organizing major industry events The future of fencing, AI, and technology (including FenceGPT integration) Mistakes, growing pains, and what Matt would do differently Whether you're just getting started or looking to level up your operation, this episode is packed with practical takeaways you can apply immediately. If you're in the fence industry, this is one you don't want to miss. 👉 Learn more about Elite Technique: https://getelitetechnique.com 🤝 Thank You to Our Sponsors: 🔥 Brand Builders - https://www.gobrandbuilders.com 🔥 Contractor Accelerator - 50% OFF YOUR FIRST MONTH WITH CODE: FGF 🔥 FenceGPT - 10% OFF WITH CODE: FGF www.fencegpt.com 🔥 Fencetrac Fence System - https://www.fencetrac.com 🔥 J.C. Gury - 5% OFF YOUR FIRST ORDER WHEN YOU MENTION FENCE GUY FRIDAY OVER THE PHONE 🔥 LiveSwitch - https://join.liveswitch.com/FenceGuyPodcast 🔥 MySalesman - https://mysalesman.com #FenceGuyPodcast #FenceIndustry #FencingBusiness #ContractorLife #SmallBusinessGrowth #Entrepreneurship #Leadership #FenceContractor #BlueCollar #TradeLife #ConstructionLife #BusinessGrowth #AIinConstruction #FenceGPT #EliteTechnique #AFA #AmericanFenceAssociation #WorkSmarter #ScalingBusiness #HomeImprovement

In this episode of Fence Guy Friday, we sit down with Matt "Motivational" Munson — and this one goes DEEP. Matt shares his journey from a rough upbringing and time in prison… to becoming a successful fence company owner building a thriving business from the ground up — with ZERO experience in the industry. We talk about: How he accidentally got 50% ownership in a fence company Turning $68K into $380K in ONE year The mistakes that almost cost them everything Why most fence companies stay stuck competing on price How mindset, gratitude, and discipline changed his life The real difference between price vs value in this industry This isn't just a fence podcast — this is a real conversation about life, business, and what it takes to change your future. If you're in the trades, running a business, or just need some motivation… this episode is for you. 👇 Drop a comment and let us know your biggest takeaway! 🤝 Thank You to Our Sponsors: 🏗️ Brand Builders - https://www.gobrandbuilders.com 🚀 Contractor Accelerator - 50% OFF YOUR FIRST MONTH WITH CODE: FGF 🤖 FenceGPT - 10% OFF WITH CODE: FGF www.fencegpt.com 🧱 Fencetrac Fence System - https://www.fencetrac.com 🔩 J.C. Gury - 5% OFF YOUR FIRST ORDER WHEN YOU MENTION FENCE GUY FRIDAY OVER THE PHONE 📡 LiveSwitch - https://join.liveswitch.com/FenceGuyPodcast 🔥 MySalesman - https://mysalesman.com/ 🚪 Orlando Hinge Company - 10% OFF WITH CODE: FGF 🚧 ZND Temporary Fence Solution These companies are helping push the fencing industry forward. We appreciate their continued support of Fence Guy Podcast! #FenceGuyPodcast #FenceBusiness #Entrepreneurship #Motivation #ContractorLife #SmallBusiness #TradesLife #FenceIndustry

There's a conversation in your life right now that you already know you need to have… and you're avoiding it. Not because you don't know what to say… but because you know exactly how it's going to feel. In this solo episode, Craig breaks down something that shows up in every area of life — business, relationships, friendships, and even the conversations we avoid having with ourselves. Why do we put things off that we know need to be addressed? Why does avoiding it feel easier in the moment… but create bigger problems later? And what actually happens when you finally decide to face it? This isn't about motivation. This is about reality. If you've ever felt tension in a situation, knew something needed to be said, and kept pushing it off… this episode is going to hit. Huge thanks to the companies that support the Fence Guy Podcast and help move the industry forward. FenceTrac https://www.fencetrac.com Brand Builders https://www.gobrandbuilders.com/ Contractor Accelerator https://www.contractoraccelerator.com Orlando Hinge Company https://swanhinge.com/ LiveSwitch https://www.liveswitch.com ZND https://www.znd.com J.C. Gury Company https://www.jcgury.com FenceGPT https://www.fencegpt.com mySalesman https://www.mysalesman.com

In this episode of the Fence Guy Podcast, special guest Sean Behensky joins the conversation to talk about the upcoming Fence Games event and why it's creating so much excitement in the fencing industry. Sean shares what Fence Games is, what attendees and competitors can expect, and how this event brings together fence contractors, installers, crews, and industry professionals from across the country. From competition and craftsmanship to networking and community, this episode gives an inside look at one of the most talked-about events in the fencing world. If you're a fence contractor, part of a fence company, or simply interested in fencing industry events, this episode is packed with valuable insight. Learn more about the purpose behind Fence Games, how it supports the fencing community, and why events like this matter for the future of the trade. Whether you're attending Fence Games 2026, competing, sponsoring, or just want to stay updated on the latest in the fencing business, this episode is for you 🎙️ Thank You to Our Sponsors: 🔥 Fencetrac Fence System - https://www.fencetrac.com/ 🔥Brand Builders Contractor Accelerator - 50% OFF YOUR FIRST MONTH WITH CODE: FGF 🔥 Orlando Hinge Company - 10% OFF WITH CODE: FGF 🔥LiveSwitch - https://join.liveswitch.com/FenceGuyP... 🔥 ZND Temporary Fence Solutions - https://www.znd.com/ 🔥 J.C. Gury - 5% OFF YOUR FIRST ORDER WHEN YOU MENTION FENCE GUY PODCAST OVER THE PHONE! 🔥 FenceGPT – 10% OFF WITH CODE: FGF www.fencegpt.com 🔥 MySalesman - https://mysalesman.com/ These companies are helping push the fencing industry forward. We appreciate their continued support of Fence Guy Podcast! #FenceGames #FenceTech #FenceIndustry #LivePodcast #SeanBehensky

Most people outside the industry have no idea how big the fence business really is. They see a couple guys digging holes and assume it's just another construction trade… but the truth is the fence industry supports thousands of companies, generates billions of dollars every year, and creates real opportunities for people who want to build something of their own. In this solo episode, Craig takes a step back from the usual conversations about cash flow, hiring problems, and business stress to talk about something different — why the fence industry is actually one of the best opportunities in America to start and grow a business. Craig breaks down the real size of the industry, why demand for fencing continues to grow, how many successful companies started with nothing more than a truck and a trailer, and why the trades are becoming more valuable again in today's economy. From the first fence job you ever built to the moment you realize how big this industry really is, this episode is about perspective — and why contractors should be proud of the business they're in. If you've ever been frustrated running a fence company, this episode might remind you why you started in the first place. Huge thanks to the companies that support the Fence Guy Podcast and help move the fence industry forward. FenceTrac https://www.fencetrac.com Brand Builders https://www.brandbuildersllc.com Contractor Accelerator https://www.contractoraccelerator.com Orlando Hinge Company https://www.swanhinge.com LiveSwitch https://www.liveswitch.com ZND https://www.znd.com J.C. Gury Company https://www.jcgury.com FenceGPT https://www.fencegpt.com mySalesman https://www.mysalesman.com

In this episode, Craig sits down with Billy Morrison of AAA Fence in Daytona, Florida for his first-ever podcast appearance. Billy shares the incredible story behind a family fence company that started in 1958 and how he stepped in to modernize and grow the business after returning from two tours in Afghanistan. From installing fence as a kid to running multiple businesses including dumpster rentals and a vinyl manufacturing operation, Billy breaks down what it really takes to scale a fencing company while keeping customer service and team culture at the center of everything. We dive into topics like: Growing a family fence business into a multi-company operation Lessons from the military that shaped his leadership style Why customer service and lifetime workmanship warranties set companies apart Running 12+ crews and handling thousands of repairs after hurricanes Starting a vinyl fence manufacturing business from scratch The importance of team loyalty, pride in workmanship, and company culture Billy also talks about balancing business with family, supporting veterans and youth sports, and why taking care of your team ultimately drives long-term success. If you're in the fencing industry—or any trade business—this conversation is packed with real-world insights about leadership, growth, and building a company that lasts decades. 👇 Drop your questions or takeaways in the comments! 🎙️ Thank You to Our Sponsors: 🔥 Fencetrac Fence System - https://www.fencetrac.com/ 🔥Brand Builders Contractor Accelerator - 50% OFF YOUR FIRST MONTH WITH CODE: FGF 🔥 Orlando Hinge Company - 10% OFF WITH CODE: FGF 🔥LiveSwitch - https://join.liveswitch.com/FenceGuyP... 🔥 ZND Temporary Fence Solutions - https://www.znd.com/ 🔥 J.C. Gury - 5% OFF YOUR FIRST ORDER WHEN YOU MENTION FENCE GUY FRIDAY OVER THE PHONE! 🔥 FenceGPT – 10% OFF WITH CODE: FGF www.fencegpt.com 🔥 MySalesman - https://mysalesman.com/ These companies are helping push the fencing industry forward. We appreciate their continued support of the Fence Guy Podcast! #FenceIndustry #FenceContractor #BusinessLeadership #FenceBusiness

Most people grow up hearing the same thing: Work harder than everyone else, and eventually you'll win. But in business, that's not always how it works. In this solo episode, Craig breaks down why the hardest worker in the room often doesn't come out on top — and why companies of all sizes can stay busy, stay stressed, and still never build the kind of business they actually want. This conversation gets into: why hard work matters, but stops being enough how systems, leverage, leadership, and structure change the game why owners become the bottleneck without realizing it how better decisions create better businesses what separates companies that stay stuck from companies that scale If you've ever felt like you're doing everything right, working nonstop, and still not getting where you thought you'd be… this episode is for you. Sponsors Huge thanks to the companies that support Fence Guy Podcast: FenceTrac https://www.fencetrac.com Brand Builders https://www.gobrandbuilders.com/ Contractor Accelerator https://contractoraccelerator.com Orlando Hinge Company https://swanhinge.com LiveSwitch https://www.liveswitch.com ZND https://www.znd.com/us/ J.C. Gury https://www.jcgury.com FenceGPT https://fencegpt.com mySalesman https://mysalesman.com

Ben Barrick is back on the show and we're diving into one of the biggest topics in business right now — Artificial Intelligence 🤖 and how it's impacting the fence industry. Is AI actually useful for fence contractors, or is it just another hype cycle? 📈 In this episode we talk about how AI is already starting to influence the way businesses operate, where it actually makes sense to use it, and where people are getting it completely wrong. Ben shares insights from working closely with developers and tech leaders while also staying connected to the real-world challenges contractors face every day. We also cover what's happening in the fence industry community, including upcoming chapter events, service projects, and ways contractors can get more involved. 🤝 If you're a fence contractor trying to figure out whether AI is something you should pay attention to — this conversation will give you some real perspective. 🔑 In This Episode We Discuss ✔️ AI in the fence industry — hype vs reality ✔️ Where AI can actually help contractors ✔️ The future of technology in construction trades ✔️ Fence association updates and events ✔️ Why understanding AI now could matter for your business Whether you're a fence contractor, business owner, or just curious about AI, this episode is packed with insight and real conversation. 🎙️ Thank You to Our Sponsors: 🔥 Fencetrac Fence System - https://www.fencetrac.com/ 🔥Brand Builders Contractor Accelerator - 50% OFF YOUR FIRST MONTH WITH CODE: FGF 🔥 Orlando Hinge Company - 10% OFF WITH CODE: FGF 🔥LiveSwitch - https://join.liveswitch.com/FenceGuyP... 🔥 ZND Temporary Fence Solutions - https://www.znd.com/ 🔥 J.C. Gury - 5% OFF YOUR FIRST ORDER WHEN YOU MENTION FENCE GUY FRIDAY OVER THE PHONE! 🔥 FenceGPT – 10% OFF WITH CODE: FGF www.fencegpt.com 🔥 MySalesman - https://mysalesman.com/ These companies are helping push the fencing industry forward. We appreciate their continued support of the Fence Guy Podcast!

Most fence companies think social media is about going viral. It's not. It's about visibility, trust, and staying in front of customers long before they ever call you. In this episode, Craig breaks down: • Why social media is branding — not just lead generation • What Meta and YouTube data actually say about consumer behavior • Why most contractors quit too early • The difference between content that gets attention and content that builds trust • How to use Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube the right way • What consistency actually looks like for a real contractor • How Nailed It Productions helps companies stay visible without burning out This isn't theory. It's a practical breakdown of how modern buyers choose contractors — and why the companies that stay visible win. If you run a fence company, a contracting business, or you're trying to grow locally, this episode is your roadmap. Because in 2026, if you're invisible online, you're invisible — period. 🔧 This Episode Is Brought To You By: FenceTrac Fence Systems https://www.fencetrac.com Brand Builders https://www.brandbuildersllc.com Contractor Accelerator https://www.contractoraccelerator.com Orlando Hinge Company https://www.swanhinge.com LiveSwitch https://www.liveswitch.com ZND Temporary Fence Solutions https://www.znd.com J.C. Gury Signs & Decals https://www.jcgury.com FenceGPT https://www.fencegpt.com mySalesman https://www.mysalesman.com We appreciate our sponsors for supporting the Fence Guy Podcast and the fence industry.

In this episode of Fence Guy Podcast, we sit down with Shawn King (Mr. Fence) — one of the most respected names in the fencing industry. From early struggles to building a powerhouse fence brand, Shawn shares the real story behind his success. We dive into business growth, hard lessons learned, Fence Academy, marketing, leadership, and what most fence contractors are doing wrong. If you own a fencing company (or want to grow one), this episode is packed with practical advice you can apply immediately. 🔥 In This Episode We Cover: 🏗️ How Shawn King built the Mr. Fence brand 🚧 The biggest mistakes fence contractors make 📈 Scaling a fencing business the right way 📣 Marketing strategies that actually work 👊 Leadership lessons from years in the industry 💰 The truth about growing past 7 figures Whether you're just getting started or pushing toward the next level, this conversation will challenge the way you think about your fence business. 📌 Subscribe for more Fence Guy Friday interviews, contractor insights, and real conversations from leaders in the fencing industry. 🎙️ Thank You to Our Sponsors: 🔥 Fencetrac Fence System - https://www.fencetrac.com/ 🔥Brand Builders Contractor Accelerator - 50% OFF YOUR FIRST MONTH WITH CODE: FGF 🔥 Orlando Hinge Company - 10% OFF WITH CODE: FGF 🔥LiveSwitch - https://join.liveswitch.com/FenceGuyPodcast 🔥 ZND Temporary Fence Solutions - https://www.znd.com/ 🔥 J.C. Gury - 5% OFF YOUR FIRST ORDER WHEN YOU MENTION FENCE GUY FRIDAY OVER THE PHONE! 🔥 FenceGPT – 10% OFF WITH CODE: FGF www.fencegpt.com 🔥 MySalesman - https://mysalesman.com/ These companies are helping push the fencing industry forward. We appreciate their continued support of the Fence Guy Podcast! #FenceGuyFriday #ShawnKing #MrFence #FenceBusiness #ContractorLife #FenceIndustry #SmallBusinessGrowth

Most fence companies think they have a lead problem. In reality, many have a cash flow problem. In this solo episode, Craig breaks down the real financial mechanics behind running a fence company. Not hype. Not motivation. Just straight talk about how money actually moves through a construction business. We cover: The difference between revenue, profit, and real cash Why being busy doesn't mean being financially stable How small estimating mistakes quietly eat margin Why growth can actually tighten cash flow The importance of job costing and collecting payments fast How to know your true monthly break-even number A simple 5-question self-audit every fence owner should ask If you've ever felt tight while still booked out… this episode is for you. This isn't about selling more jobs. It's about building a company that doesn't live under financial pressure. We appreciate the companies that support the show and the fence industry: FenceTrac Brand Builders Contractor Accelerator Orlando Hinge Company LiveSwitch ZND Temporary Fence Solutions J.C. Gury Inc. Signs & Decals FenceGPT mySalesman Their support helps us keep bringing real conversations to the fence community.

*]:pointer-events-auto [content-visibility:auto] supports-[content-visibility:auto]:[contain-intrinsic-size:auto_100lvh] scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" tabindex="-1" data-turn-id= "416bf781-1eb3-40e5-b710-192523b532bd" data-testid= "conversation-turn-10" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn= "assistant"> Fence Tech 2026 in Indianapolis did NOT disappoint. 🚀🔥 In this episode of the Fence Guy Podcast, we break down everything that went down at Fence Tech — from 6,000+ fence professionals showing up 💪, packed education classes 📚, sold-out networking events 🤝, and a show floor that was absolutely buzzing. We talk: 📈 Record attendance numbers 🌵 85% of vendors already rebooked for Phoenix 👀 The biggest surprises on the show floor 🏡 Outdoor living expansion 🛠️ Tool & equipment trends 🍻 The Fence Fan Meetup turnout 💥 Why this might be the strongest Fence Tech yet If you were there, this will bring it all back. If you missed it… you'll want to be in Phoenix next year. ☀️ The fence industry is growing fast — and this episode proves it. 💯 👇 Drop a comment if you were at Fence Tech and tell us your biggest takeaway. 🙏 Thank you to our sponsors for supporting the Fence Guy Podcast: 🔹 Fencetrac Fence System 🔹 Brand Builders 🔹 Contractor Accelerator 🔹 Orlando Hinge Company 🔹 LiveSwitch 🔹 ZND Temporary Fence Solutions 🔹 J.C. Gury 🔹 FenceGPT 🔹 MySalesman #FenceTech #FenceIndustry #FenceLife #FenceGuyPodcast #AFATech #FenceBusiness

*]:pointer-events-auto scroll-mt-[calc(var(--header-height)+min(200px,max(70px,20svh)))]" dir="auto" tabindex="-1" data-turn-id= "request-WEB:cd60992f-a58a-4796-95eb-bf33da4ee2ea-38" data-testid= "conversation-turn-4" data-scroll-anchor="true" data-turn= "assistant"> 🎙 BONUS EPISODE This one's a little different. If running your fence company feels harder than it should… if you're constantly putting out fires… if you feel like everything depends on you… This episode is for you. In this bonus episode, Craig talks about the uncomfortable truth most fence company owners avoid: It's probably not your crew. It's not the economy. It's not your customers. It's the lack of systems. When your business is built on hustle instead of structure, growth creates chaos. Mistakes repeat. Standards slip. You become the bottleneck. In this episode, we break down: Why you keep dealing with the same problems The real reason callbacks happen How undefined standards create frustration Why your team can't "just figure it out" How to stop being the system and start building one No fluff. Just honest business talk for fence contractors who actually want to grow. If this hits home, share it with another fence company owner who needs to hear it. #FenceCompany #FenceContractor #ContractorLife #SmallBusinessOwner #ConstructionLeadership

The fence industry is changing faster than most companies realize — and in this episode, we talk about why. In this episode of the Fence Guy Podcast, Caleb Roth joins the conversation to break down what's really happening across the fence industry right now. From sales and marketing shifts to AI, technology, leadership, and growth systems, we discuss what's working, what's outdated, and what fence companies need to start paying attention to if they want to stay competitive. This is an honest, no-fluff conversation with Caleb Roth about building smarter fence businesses and preparing for what's next. Thank you to our sponsors for supporting the Fence Guy Podcast: Fencetrac Fence System Brand Builders Contractor Accelerator Orlando Hinge Company LiveSwitch ZND Temporary Fence Solutions J.C. Gury FenceGPT MySalesman If you enjoyed this episode, subscribe, leave a review, and share it with someone in the fence industry who needs to hear it.

In this episode of the Fence Guy Podcast, Craig sits down with one of the show's original OG guests for an honest conversation about growth, visibility, and community in the fence industry. The discussion covers why showing your wins matters, how to handle criticism as your business grows, and why community will always beat competition. From mindset and social media to travel and surrounding yourself with the right people, this episode is packed with real talk for fence contractors and business owners looking to level up. 🎙️ Brought to you by our sponsors: Brand Builder • Contractor Accelerator • FenceTrac Fence Systems • JC Gury Inc Signs & Decals • Live Switch • MySalesman • Orlando Hinge Company • ZND Temporary Fence Solution

Roger Rhodes, owner of Double R Fence, joins the Fence Guy Podcast for a real conversation about what it actually takes to build and sustain a fence company over the long haul. In this episode, we go beyond installs and materials and talk about leadership, growth, decision-making, pressure, and the lessons you only learn by being in business year after year. Roger shares perspective earned through experience — not theory — and speaks honestly about what works, what doesn't, and what most people don't see from the outside. This is a grounded, no-hype discussion for fence contractors, business owners, and anyone trying to build something that lasts in a demanding industry. If you value real experience over social media noise, this episode delivers.

Most contractors think their biggest problem is labor. Employees versus subcontractors. Payroll versus flexibility. Control versus speed. But changing your crew rarely fixes what's actually broken. In this episode, we dig into the real reason the same problems keep showing up no matter how you staff jobs. We talk about leadership, systems, stress, responsibility, and why labor models don't solve problems — they expose them. This isn't a W-2 vs 1099 argument. It's a hard look at why effort, hiring, and switching models don't create clarity unless leadership does. If you've ever felt like you tried everything and still ended up in the same spot, this one will hit close to home.

In this episode of the Fence Guy Podcast, Craig sits down with industry OG and podcast host Nathan Downs for a deep, no-BS conversation about what it really takes to build a sustainable fence business. Nathan opens up about navigating a brutal market slowdown, rebuilding an entire team mid-season, and still managing to hit record-breaking revenue. From pricing strategy and SEO dominance to leadership, hiring, systems, and mindset, this episode is packed with real-world lessons fence contractors can actually use. You'll hear honest insights on: Surviving massive revenue swings and market volatility Why most contractors stay reactive instead of building systems The true cost of hiring, pricing, and scaling a fence company SEO, referrals, and marketing that actually works Leadership mistakes, personality dynamics, and DISC assessments Where the fence industry is headed over the next 5–10 years Why fencing deserves more respect as a professional trade Plus, stick around for rapid-fire questions, wild customer stories, and Nathan's unfiltered take on what most contractors still get wrong. Whether you're a one-truck operation or running multiple crews, this episode will challenge how you think about business, growth, and your value in the industry.

In this powerful and deeply moving episode of the Fence Guy Podcast, Craig Eubanks sits down with Van Morris—retired U.S. Navy officer, national keynote speaker, and the unforgettable voice behind Old Glory—for a conversation that goes far beyond fencing, business, or the military. From growing up as one of 16 children in a Louisiana sharecropping family, to serving aboard U.S. Navy submarines, to speaking to over 100,000 students a year, Van shares the life experiences that shaped his leadership philosophy, patriotism, and mission to help heal America. This episode dives into: What real leadership and integrity look like under pressure Why veterans struggle with transition—and how belonging saves lives The hidden realities behind veteran and youth suicide How trades and skilled labor provide purpose, structure, and camaraderie Why approachability matters more than authority What it truly means to be a patriot and a good steward of the land Van also reflects on the emotional impact of his Fence Tech keynote, the responsibility leaders carry for other people's livelihoods, and why reaching Gen Z and Gen Alpha is critical to America's future. This is not just a podcast episode—it's a call to self-assess, to lead with integrity, and to be the kind of person others can approach when it matters most. 🎧 If you care about leadership, service, veterans, faith, trades, or the future of this country—this is an episode you don't want to miss

Owning a business doesn't just change your schedule — it changes you. In this solo episode, Craig breaks down the parts of business ownership that rarely get talked about out loud. Not the tactics. Not the installs. Not the growth hacks. The mental weight. The constant responsibility. The pressure to always be "on." The loneliness most owners don't admit they feel. This isn't a motivational talk and it's not a how-to episode. It's an honest conversation for business owners who feel the weight of leadership, decision-making, and responsibility — even when things look "successful" from the outside. If you've ever wondered why owning a business feels heavier than you expected, this episode puts words to that feeling.

In this LIVE Taco Tuesday episode of the Fence Guy Podcast, Craig Eubanks sits down with Shane Catton for a real conversation about Human Resources in the fence industry—hiring, keeping good people, building culture, and handling the tough stuff that comes with running a team. From recruiting the right candidates to setting expectations, accountability, communication, and avoiding common HR mistakes that cost contractors time and money—this episode is packed with practical lessons you can apply whether you've got a crew of 2 or a team of 20. In this episode, we cover: Hiring strategies that actually work for trades businesses How to keep good employees (and stop the revolving door) Company culture, leadership, and setting standards Handling conflict, performance issues, and "that one employee" HR systems and policies that protect your business If you're a fence contractor or trades business owner trying to grow without chaos, this one's for you.

Heading to FENCETECH 2026? Before you pack your boots and book your flights, listen to this episode. Craig sits down with Dan Wheeler and Joe Everest to break down the real do's and don'ts of FENCETECH — the stuff nobody puts in the brochure. From how to choose the right education sessions, to avoiding burnout on the show floor, to making networking actually worth your time… this episode is the survival guide every fence pro needs. We cover: • The #1 mistake first-timers make at FENCETECH • How to build real relationships (not awkward business card drops) • What to look for on the show floor — and what to ignore • How SIG events can completely change your experience • Why planning your days matters more than people realize • And yes… the things you absolutely should NOT do If you want to get the MOST out of your trip to Indianapolis — this is the episode. Hit play, take notes, and we'll see you at FENCETECH.

The fence industry is facing a divide nobody wants to admit — until now. In this brutally honest solo episode, Craig exposes the real reasons fence companies clash: ego, pride, jealousy, money, social media toxicity, and old-school vs. new-school battles. Whether you're a fence installer, business owner, supplier, or industry leader, this episode will challenge how you see the trade — and maybe how you see yourself. In this episode we cover: Why competition turns into conflict How ego damages the industry The rise of "experts" and social media critics Why contractors struggle to support each other The psychology behind jealousy & insecurity How professionalism—not unity—is the real answer What YOU can do to improve your corner of the industry If you care about growth, craftsmanship, and elevating the trade, this episode is a must-listen. 👍 Like, subscribe, and drop a comment: What divides the fence industry the most—ego, money, or social media?

🔥 Best Year Ever… and Nobody Saw It Coming What happens when you stop chasing chaos and start building with clarity? In this episode, Cannon Johnson breaks down how stepping back, simplifying, and changing his mindset led to his best year ever — with less stress and more control. This conversation is about: 🧠 Smarter leadership ⚖️ Balance over burnout 🛠️ Sustainable growth in the fence business If you're a contractor or business owner stuck in grind mode, this one will hit home. 🎧 Listen now and subscribe 🤝 Check out one of our sponsors, LiveSwitch: 👉 https://join.liveswitch.com/FenceGuyPodcast 🤖 ChatGPT — but for fencers: www.fencegpt.com

In this episode, Craig sits down with John and Johnny—two Ohio fence company owners who started together, went separate ways, and built successful businesses side by side. They talk real numbers, real mistakes, and real growth: backlog vs. pricing, in-house crews vs. subs, surviving wet Midwest seasons, and how local fence companies can compete with national franchises without losing quality or culture. From community involvement and leadership to sustainability, team building, and the future of the fence industry, this is an honest, no-fluff conversation every fence contractor should hear.