Drink Beer, Think Beer With John Holl

Corn gets beat up in beer circles. That’s thanks to years of it being maligned by craft brewers who saw it as an adjunct ingredient that didn’t bring a lot to the conversation or messed with “purity.” Corn is dynamic. Flavorful. Impactful in a beer recipe and should be celebrated. That’s why in Indiana, a state known for corn production, there are rows and rows being grown annually by Caleb Michalke. He’s the owner, maltster, and farmer of Sugar Creek Malt Co. The farm come up in our conversations quite a bit so it made sense to dial him up. Small breweries are into what Michalke is doing. And after you listen to this episode, you’ll hear why. Yes, Rauchbier fans we are talking about smoked beer during the show, but there is more to Sugar Creek than their smoked malt program. The products are historical and forward thinking. The farm It’s the constant worry of a grower and that undefinable urge to push forward anyway. From talking about harvesting malt that hasn’t been grown since World War II and is now destined for lagers, to building his own brewery, and how malt is OK being the bass player in the beer band, Michalke is the cartographer of the roadmap of his business as he drives. This Episode is sponsored by:BriessBriess is the leading supplier of specialty malt to craft brewers They offer the broadest product line in the industry, including a wide range of roasted malts that add flavor, color, and character to beer. Their experienced operators handcraft every batch of roasted malt to ensure the product you get is consistent. Check out BrewingwithBriess.com for beer recipes using roasted malt. NZ HopsNZ Hops, the co-operative of Master Hop Growers are a passionate collective of farms dedicated to innovation and sustainability. Leading the charge in sustainable farm practices, some NZ Hops farms have over five generations of knowledge that inform their composting program, used by growers to promote healthy regenerative growth of hops year upon year. This creates high quality soil, a critical component of healthy growing conditions. At NZ Hops, they feel that sustainability is not only being a steward for the land, but for our future. We’re in it together. New Holland Brewing Co.Dragon's Milk White from New Holland Brewing Company reimagines what a stout can be. Your vessel will be filled with the color of gold, and yet there is more to this white stout than meets the eye. Aged in bourbon barrels, Dragon’s Milk White is smooth and velvety, abounding with notes of coffee, chocolate, and vanilla to present classic stout flavors in a delicious new way, all in a session-able 6% ABV package. Find Dragon's Milk White near you at dragonsmilk.comFor more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Caleb Michalke of Sugar Creek MaltSponsors: Briess, New Holland, NZ Hops, and The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Malt, Ownership, Brewing, Corn, Farming, History, Lager

Day Bracey wants to empower the Black community through the beer industry. This is a year-round goal and the podcaster, comedian, and festival organizer does that every day all day. But next week in Pittsburgh he is hosting the Barrel and Flow Festival and will be able to put the goal front and center. It’s the continuation of the Fresh Fest, which he founded with business partner and podcast co-host Ed Bailey and rebranded for a new year after some issues with the name and a chance in another business relationship. There is a lot of talk about diversity in the craft beer space. But talk is just that. Action is what is needed. After countless brewery visits and conversations Day has a pretty good idea on what needs to be done to bring meaningful change to the space. On this episode of "Drink Beer, Think Beer" he’ll share his thoughts on the subject and the industry and he also talks about how the festival is coming together how it aims to create a welcoming space – something that some other festivals don’t always offer. This was recorded over zoom, and there were a few weak signal moments. Don't adjust your dial. This Episode is sponsored by:NZ HopsNZ Hops, the co-operative of Master Hop Growers are a passionate collective of farms dedicated to innovation and sustainability. Leading the charge in sustainable farm practices, some NZ Hops farms have over five generations of knowledge that inform their composting program, used by growers to promote healthy regenerative growth of hops year upon year. This creates high quality soil, a critical component of healthy growing conditions. At NZ Hops, they feel that sustainability is not only being a steward for the land, but for our future. We’re in it together. New Holland Brewing Co.Dragon's Milk White from New Holland Brewing Company reimagines what a stout can be. Your vessel will be filled with the color of gold, and yet there is more to this white stout than meets the eye. Aged in bourbon barrels, Dragon’s Milk White is smooth and velvety, abounding with notes of coffee, chocolate, and vanilla to present classic stout flavors in a delicious new way, all in a session-able 6% ABV package. Find Dragon's Milk White near you at dragonsmilk.comFor more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Day Bracey of the Barrel and Flow FestivalSponsors: New Holland, NZ Hops, and The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Pennsylvania, Ownership, Brewing, Festivals, Diversity

If you were scrolling through beer-tinted social media this week, you likely saw the color purple. Martin House Brewing in Texas announced its latest beer: Grape Punch Pickle Beer. It's a riff off of their extremely popular Best Maid Pickle ale. Cody Martin co-founded the brewery with two friends nearly a decade ago, and as he explains on the show, had plans for a saison to be the company's flagship. That didn't work out. He’s an experimental brewer and is happy to try different ingredients in different ways to see where they land in a beer. In the last few years the brewery has gotten notoriety for making a beer that tastes like wing sauce and another that tasted like ranch dressing. There's also been a breakfast cereal beer and an upcoming one with haggis. However, it is the pickle beer, made in collaboration with Best Maid, a local company, that has paved the road to success and made the brewery famous. It's now the brewery's flagship is found at grocery and other stores around Fort Worth. Special variations like the purple version, come out now and again. During the show, Cody talks about recipe development and how these beers come together. He also offers up a simple recipe for you to make Koolickles at home. This Episode is sponsored by:NZ HopsNZ Hops, the co-operative of Master Hop Growers are a passionate collective of farms dedicated to innovation and sustainability. Leading the charge in sustainable farm practices, some NZ Hops farms have over five generations of knowledge that inform their composting program, used by growers to promote healthy regenerative growth of hops year upon year. This creates high quality soil, a critical component of healthy growing conditions. At NZ Hops, they feel that sustainability is not only being a steward for the land, but for our future. We’re in it together. New Holland Brewing Co.20 years ago, New Holland Brewing Company embarked on a journey into the unknown, brewing the first batch of Dragon's Milk Bourbon Barrel-Aged Stout. What started as a single barrel in the back of the brewery has transformed into the best-selling American-made stout today. Pairing rich notes of chocolate and coffee from roasted malts with deep tones of vanilla and oak from its time in bourbon barrels, each bottle of Dragon's Milk is a delicious adventure waiting to be opened. Find Dragon's Milk near you at dragonsmilk.com.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Cody Martin of Martin House BrewingSponsors: New Holland, NZ Hops, and The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Pickles, Gose, Saison, Texas, Purple,

Show notes from host John Holl:"Four years ago I was working on the Drink Beer, Think Beer book and needed some quiet time away. I decamped to my wife’s family house in the Pocono mountains in Pennsylvania. As I was pulling out of the grocery store, stocked with supplies, I saw a newly constructed building where an Arby’s had once stood, and through the windows it was clear fermenters were standing tall. Hopeful and intrigued I soon found out it was the soon-to-open Wallenpaupack Brewing Co. and was introduced to Becky Ryman. She founded the brewery with her brother and in the last four years has grown the business, serving an area that was underserved, and focused on being a good employer that puts the ideals of craft beer first. Recently I was back up in the area again for a few days of downtime. I sat in the brewery’s fenced in patio with Becky earlier this week. It was Sunday morning and brunch service had just begun. We talk about worry and success, difficulties ahead, and why beer – not seltzer – is still the focus. This Episode is sponsored by:NZ HopsNZ Hops, the co-operative of Master Hop Growers are a passionate collective of farms dedicated to innovation and sustainability. Leading the charge in sustainable farm practices, some NZ Hops farms have over five generations of knowledge that inform their composting program, used by growers to promote healthy regenerative growth of hops year upon year. This creates high quality soil, a critical component of healthy growing conditions. At NZ Hops, they feel that sustainability is not only being a steward for the land, but for our future. We’re in it together. New Holland Brewing Co.20 years ago, New Holland Brewing Company embarked on a journey into the unknown, brewing the first batch of Dragon's Milk Bourbon Barrel-Aged Stout. What started as a single barrel in the back of the brewery has transformed into the best-selling American-made stout today. Pairing rich notes of chocolate and coffee from roasted malts with deep tones of vanilla and oak from its time in bourbon barrels, each bottle of Dragon's Milk is a delicious adventure waiting to be opened. Find Dragon's Milk near you at dragonsmilk.com.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Becky Ryman of Wallenpaupack Brewing Co. Sponsors: New Holland, NZ Hops, and The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Poconos, Seltzer, Growth, Lager, Pale Ale, Rauchbier

Brewery owners will often say that running their business is like being on a roller coaster. Strap in as Kyle Kohlmorgen of Wellspent Brewing shares his experience.“It’s been short, and expensive, but fun at least. I made a TON of mistakes, and my business sense continues to be poor, so I'm glad Wellspent is in better hands, ownership-wise," he says. "When I was the "Brewer/Owner", I wasn't doing a great job at either. I'm happier as a brewer.” That’s this episode in a nutshell and Kohlmorgen doesn't hold back on the highs and lows, uncertainties and successes, and how help came from within his walls. This Episode is sponsored by:NZ HopsNZ Hops, the co-operative of Master Hop Growers are a passionate collective of farms dedicated to innovation and sustainability. Leading the charge in sustainable farm practices, some NZ Hops farms have over five generations of knowledge that inform their composting program, used by growers to promote healthy regenerative growth of hops year upon year. This creates high quality soil, a critical component of healthy growing conditions. At NZ Hops, they feel that sustainability is not only being a steward for the land, but for our future. We’re in it together. Lawson's Finest LiquidsThe brewery is guided by five pillars – Excellence, Authenticity, Fun, Community and Innovation. These values are represented in their product quality, work culture, guest experience and charitable giving. The SIP, their Social Impact Program, is the Lawson’s Finest way of building impactful connections and strengthening our communities while creating memorable experiences.New Holland Brewing Co.Dragon's Milk White from New Holland Brewing Company reimagines what a stout can be. Your vessel will be filled with the color of gold, and yet there is more to this white stout than meets the eye. Aged in bourbon barrels, Dragon’s Milk White is smooth and velvety, abounding with notes of coffee, chocolate, and vanilla to present classic stout flavors in a delicious new way, all in a session-able 6% ABV package. Find Dragon's Milk White near you at dragonsmilk.comFor more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Kyle Kohlmorgen of Wellspent BrewingSponsors: New Holland , Lawson's Finest Liquids, NZ Hops, and The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Missouri, Ownership, Lagers, IPA, Brewing

Show notes from John Holl:"By the time you’re hearing this, I’ll be at the Jersey Shore, unplugged and drinking cream ale. It’s a long-planned vacation but as I got ready for some days away I had a sense of senioritis kick in. I knew I needed to get a show done, but my brain was also mushy from deadlines and life. When an email from Ben Love popped up in my email, I knew I had found a solution. I’ve known Ben for years. I’ve been to the brewery he co-founded with Van Having several times, and even spent some time – as you’ll hear – with him in New Zealand when he poured at the Beervana Festival and I spoke at the country’s black tie brewers gathering. Ben is a brewer who likes to tease out flavors and look for the unexpected. He also has a traditionalist streak in him and all of it shows in the beer. He’s also a world class conversationalist and I knew that having him on the show would be an easy layup as I head into a holiday. Is it lazy? Maybe. But, it’s still entertaining and informative for you, because I’d never sacrifice on that."This Episode is sponsored by:NZ HopsNZ Hops, the co-operative of Master Hop Growers are a passionate collective of farms dedicated to innovation and sustainability. Leading the charge in sustainable farm practices, some NZ Hops farms have over five generations of knowledge that inform their composting program, used by growers to promote healthy regenerative growth of hops year upon year. This creates high quality soil, a critical component of healthy growing conditions. At NZ Hops, they feel that sustainability is not only being a steward for the land, but for our future. We’re in it together. Lawson's Finest LiquidsThe brewery is guided by five pillars – Excellence, Authenticity, Fun, Community and Innovation. These values are represented in their product quality, work culture, guest experience and charitable giving. The SIP, their Social Impact Program, is the Lawson’s Finest way of building impactful connections and strengthening our communities while creating memorable experiences.New Holland Brewing Co.20 years ago, New Holland Brewing Company embarked on a journey into the unknown, brewing the first batch of Dragon's Milk Bourbon Barrel-Aged Stout. What started as a single barrel in the back of the brewery has transformed into the best-selling American-made stout today. Pairing rich notes of chocolate and coffee from roasted malts with deep tones of vanilla and oak from its time in bourbon barrels, each bottle of Dragon's Milk is a delicious adventure waiting to be opened. Find Dragon's Milk near you at dragonsmilk.com. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Ben Love of Gigantic Brewing Sponsors: New Holland , Lawson's Finest Liquids, NZ Hops, and The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Mt. Hood Hops, Kölsch, Nose Tickles, Barrels, Dry Hopping, Recycling

Over the last few weeks a few IPAs have popped up here at the home broadcast studio that all had the same label reading “Things We Don’t Say." It was soon revealed to be a collaboration beer between Eagle Park Brewing and the Hope for the Day Foundation that was offered to breweries around the world. It’s designed to talk about mental health in and around the beer space – and that includes the drinkers as well. You’ve heard of Hope for the Day on this show before, notably when Drew Fox of 18th Street Brewing was on the show a few months ago. Max Borgardt is the guest this week. He and his brothers had a choice, he says, either become musicians or brewers. They choose wisely, even if they are still heavily involved in music. As the brewery has grown in the last few years they’ve played to their strengths, IPA, a light beer aimed at non-craft drinkers, and hard seltzer smoothies. It has helped the brewery gain recognition, not only in their state but beyond its borders. It seems like every conversation is going to be about COVID-19 at some point, because it’s just ever present on the mind. Get vaccinated. When we recorded this in July the CDC had not yet updated guidance, and so host John Holl started off by talking about how things were opening up and how the brewery was getting back into the swing of things with sales and planning for the grand re-opening of their new taproom, which barely had time for a proper first grand opening. Max spoke to the show over Zoom from the brewery in Muskego.This Episode is sponsored by:BriessBriess is the leading supplier of specialty malt to craft brewers. They offer the broadest product line in the industry, including a wide range of roasted malts that add flavor, color, and character to beer. Their experienced operators handcraft every batch of roasted malt to ensure the product you get is consistent. Check out BrewingwithBriess.com for beer recipes using roasted malt. NZ HopsNZ Hops, the co-operative of Master Hop Growers are a passionate collective of farms dedicated to innovation and sustainability. Leading the charge in sustainable farm practices, some NZ Hops farms have over five generations of knowledge that inform their composting program, used by growers to promote healthy regenerative growth of hops year upon year. This creates high quality soil, a critical component of healthy growing conditions. At NZ Hops, they feel that sustainability is not only being a steward for the land, but for our future. We’re in it together. Lawson's Finest LiquidsThe brewery is guided by five pillars – Excellence, Authenticity, Fun, Community and Innovation. These values are represented in their product quality, work culture, guest experience and charitable giving. The SIP, their Social Impact Program, is the Lawson’s Finest way of building impactful connections and strengthening our communities while creating memorable experiences.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Max Borgardt of Eagle Park BrewingSponsors: Briess, Lawson's Finest Liquids, NZ Hops, and The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Seltzer Smoothies, Wisconsin, News, Mental Health, COVID-19, Beer Sales, IPA, Light Lager

Show notes from John Holl: "If you’ve been listening for long enough, now and again I’ll ask for guest suggestions. Sometimes I get letters and usually those are good suggestions that lead to lively conversations. This is one of those shows. My friend Don Tse, the writer and pun aficionado, who has also been a guest on this show reached out recently to introduce Kolin Krokis. I’m glad he did. Kolin started out as a chemistry student who soon developed a fondness for beer and began a career in brewing that led to brewing school in Germany and a bevy of jobs, including a stint as the first full-time brewer at Brew Dog. He and his family has traveled the world doing various brewing jobs, picking up techniques from hands on experience along the way. He believes in no compromise and as you will hear that hasn’t always made things easy, but he’s a brewer with few regrets because of it. These days he is brewing at Rural Routes Brewing in Alberta, where they pride themselves on food pairings, full pours, and hospitality. This classically trained brewer has even learned to love and embrace a recipe that has become a fan favorite: a Piña Colada Milkshake IPA."This Episode is sponsored by:BriessBriess is the leading supplier of specialty malt to craft brewers. They offer the broadest product line in the industry, including a wide range of roasted malts that add flavor, color, and character to beer. Their experienced operators handcraft every batch of roasted malt to ensure the product you get is consistent. Check out BrewingwithBriess.com for beer recipes using roasted malt. NZ HopsNZ Hops, the co-operative of Master Hop Growers are a passionate collective of farms dedicated to innovation and sustainability. Leading the charge in sustainable farm practices, some NZ Hops farms have over five generations of knowledge that inform their composting program, used by growers to promote healthy regenerative growth of hops year upon year. This creates high quality soil, a critical component of healthy growing conditions. At NZ Hops, they feel that sustainability is not only being a steward for the land, but for our future. We’re in it together. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Kolin Krokis of Rural Routes BrewingSponsors: Briess, NZ Hops, and The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Malt, Canada, Brew Dog, Czech Pilsener, Milkshake IPA.

Show notes from John Holl: As we’ve talked about on the show in the past, there are serious conversations and allegations happening in the beer industry, specifically, these days, around the treatment of women. Sadly, many of these stories are not new, but a lot of them have not been publicly talked about, until a few weeks ago when women started sharing their stories on social media. There’s been a lot of talk, hopefully a lot of listening, some changes, and work towards meaningful action. Laurie Porter is my guest this week. She’s the co-founder of Smog City, a brewery with several locations in Southern California that has helped shaped the Los Angeles Beer Scene over the last decade. She's on brewing industry advisory boards and guilds, and has focused, in her words, on every aspect of her company except the brewing. But this week Smog City is set to release Total Boss, a red IPA made by the women of the brewery to spark a conversation about misogyny, sexism, assault, and more happening in the beer space. Porter has spent a lot of time thinking about this and from the brewery’s beginning has tried to focus efforts to make Smog City a safe place and one where people are happy to work and feel like they can do their jobs without fear. Still, these last few weeks have gotten her thinking about where things are, where they were, and where they can be." This Episode is sponsored by:BriessBriess is the leading supplier of specialty malt to craft brewers. They offer the broadest product line in the industry, including a wide range of roasted malts that add flavor, color, and character to beer. Their experienced operators handcraft every batch of roasted malt to ensure the product you get is consistent. Check out BrewingwithBriess.com for beer recipes using roasted malt. NZ HopsNZ Hops, the co-operative of Master Hop Growers are a passionate collective of farms dedicated to innovation and sustainability. Leading the charge in sustainable farm practices, some NZ Hops farms have over five generations of knowledge that inform their composting program, used by growers to promote healthy regenerative growth of hops year upon year. This creates high quality soil, a critical component of healthy growing conditions. At NZ Hops, they feel that sustainability is not only being a steward for the land, but for our future. We’re in it together. Lawson's Finest LiquidsThe brewery is guided by five pillars – Excellence, Authenticity, Fun, Community and Innovation. These values are represented in their product quality, work culture, guest experience and charitable giving. The SIP, their Social Impact Program, is the Lawson’s Finest way of building impactful connections and strengthening our communities while creating memorable experiences. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Laurie Porter of Smog CitySponsors: Briess, Lawson's Finest Liquids, NZ Hops, and The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Red IPA, Los Angeles, News, Action, COVID-19, Women, Employment

Zack Adams was invited onto the podcast this week to talk about his Grodziskie, a 3.2% smoked ale that he brewed with help and guidance from Live Oak Brewing, and a beer that utilizes specialty smoked malt from a local farm. Before all that, however, we spend time talking about how his taproom has evolved and adapted since COVID-19 began. Adams, the owner and brewer of Fox Farm Brewery in Salem, Connecticut also fills us in on the brewery's spontaneous beer program and the developing house culture that will have a prominent place in the tasting experience. Recorded via zoom just after the 2021 4th of July holiday weekend, Adams opens up on inspiration and making beers that appeal to his palate and how he brings drinkers along for the journey. This Episode is sponsored by:BriessBriess is the leading supplier of specialty malt to craft brewers. They offer the broadest product line in the industry, including a wide range of roasted malts that add flavor, color, and character to beer. Their experienced operators handcraft every batch of roasted malt to ensure the product you get is consistent. Check out BrewingwithBriess.com for beer recipes using roasted malt. NZ HopsNZ Hops, the co-operative of Master Hop Growers are a passionate collective of farms dedicated to innovation and sustainability. Leading the charge in sustainable farm practices, some NZ Hops farms have over five generations of knowledge that inform their composting program, used by growers to promote healthy regenerative growth of hops year upon year. This creates high quality soil, a critical component of healthy growing conditions. At NZ Hops, they feel that sustainability is not only being a steward for the land, but for our future. We’re in it together. Lawson's Finest LiquidsThe brewery is guided by five pillars – Excellence, Authenticity, Fun, Community and Innovation. These values are represented in their product quality, work culture, guest experience and charitable giving. The SIP, their Social Impact Program, is the Lawson’s Finest way of building impactful connections and strengthening our communities while creating memorable experiences. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Zack Adams of Fox Farm Brewery Sponsors: Briess, Lawson's Finest Liquids, NZ Hops, and The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Spontaneous Ale, Rauchbier, Hospitality, Travel

Ryan Kilpatrick's Fiction Beer Company was part of the third wave of craft breweries that opened in the U.S coming up on a decade ago. He’ll tell the story of the brewery in a minute, but in my visits to his place in the past I’ve been struck with the comfortable feeling, the diverse tap list, and the general engagement of the staff. That usually comes from ownership, so in this podcast, recorded over zoom, we talk about how to retain employees, how they approach recipe development, and some of the recent collaborations he’s done. It’s wide ranging, and like a good book takes some twists and turns. This Episode is sponsored by:NZ HopsHarvest has officially ended in New Zealand and there are exciting hops to choose from, including Nelson Sauvin, Motueka, Riwaka, and the newest hop in the lineup, Nectaron®. The white wine, stone fruit, and tropical fruit notes layered with pine, citrus, and herbal notes offer a range of flavors unlike any growing region in the world. Learn more about what they can do for your beers by visiting nzhops.co.nz or finding NZ Hops on social media.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Ryan Kilpatrick of Fiction Beer Company Sponsors: NZ Hops, The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Denver, Falling Rock, Coffee, IPA, Collaborations, Pride, Books

Show notes from John Holl:"I’m really excited to have Latisha Cook on the show this week. I’ve had the occasion to talk with her in the past and her passion for beer, for sparking conversation, collaborations, and a drive for a more inclusive beer industry and community is infectious.We’ve talked about the need for diversity and diverse perspectives on the show before and Cook has been at the forefront of several initiatives for several years now. The latest way Beer Kulture is advancing opportunity is through the Sparks Foundation. It will be giving four $5,000 grants to four deserving black men per year, she says. “The intent is for these grants to give a boost to Black men so they can launch their visions,” Cook said when announcing the initiative. “But it also goes beyond that to help these men build a family legacy. Generational wealth isn’t seen as often in the Black community the way it is in other communities. If access to traditional funding is a problem, it’s hard to create something that can extend beyond one person’s lifetime. Hopefully these grants help Black men begin to create legacies that endure for generations.” In this episode we talk about the foundation and opportunities, generational wealth, and all the other things Beer Kulture has going on, but first, because not everyone is familiar with the organization, I started off by asking her to give a little background on how the organization started."For more information on the Sparks Foundation, or to apply for a grant, visit https://www.beerkulture.com/sparksfoundation. Applications will go live June 1st and remain open until July 16th. Beer Kulture will announce the first grantee on August 1st. This Episode is sponsored by:NZ HopsHarvest has officially ended in New Zealand and there are exciting hops to choose from, including Nelson Sauvin, Motueka, Riwaka, and the newest hop in the lineup, Nectaron®. The white wine, stone fruit, and tropical fruit notes layered with pine, citrus, and herbal notes offer a range of flavors unlike any growing region in the world. Learn more about what they can do for your beers by visiting nzhops.co.nz or finding NZ Hops on social media.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Latiesha Cook of Beer Kulture Sponsors: NZ Hops, The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Education, Diversity, Beer Kulture,

There is a lot happening with Joel Stickrod of Barrique Brewing & Blending these days. He's moved from a modest barrel-storage space into his own taproom in the heart of Nashville and is bringing his beer vision to the people. Originally the brewery was focused on wild ales, usually blended, often fruited, and those remain on offer. The new space has allowed him to branch out in to lagers and pub ales done in his style and he has plans on the horizon. In this conversation, recorded over the phone in June 2021, he talks about his journey and house culture, shares his thoughts on blending, his passion for historical styles and local ingredients. There might also be a celebrity stopping by his brewery one of these days. Tune in and find out. This Episode is sponsored by:NZ HopsHarvest has officially ended in New Zealand and there are exciting hops to choose from, including Nelson Sauvin, Motueka, Riwaka, and the newest hop in the lineup, Nectaron®. The white wine, stone fruit, and tropical fruit notes layered with pine, citrus, and herbal notes offer a range of flavors unlike any growing region in the world. Learn more about what they can do for your beers by visiting nzhops.co.nz or finding NZ Hops on social media.Jack's Abby Craft LagersFor our next stop on the Lagers of the World tour, we went down under to discuss lagers with Johnny Latta from NOMAD Brewing. We learned a lot about how the climate is a huge influence on what they brew and drink especially when it comes to indigenous crops. So that’s where we honed in to make this beer. We hope you enjoy this one of a kind lager inspired by culture and conversation.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Joel Stickrod of Barrique Brewing & BlendingSponsors: NZ Hops, Jack's Abby Craft Lagers, The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Nashville, Wild Ale, History, Lager, Pub Ale, Fruit

Narragansett is a brewery that has been around since the late 1800s. It was a revered New England lager brand that, after prohibition went on the wain, and eventually closed down. It was revived about 15 years ago by a group of passionate investors, and has seen such tremendous growth since its rebirth that it is now in the top 30 of craft breweries in the United States. The growth was largely built on the backs of contract production brewing for lager, a coffee stout, shandies, and a few other styles. Over the last few weeks the brewery has opened its first permanent location, that will serve as a Narragansett gathering place and a brewery to showcase innovation. At the helm of the brewdeck is Lee Lord, she’s been in New England brewing for her entire career, working for storied and well-established brands like Cambridge Brewing Co. (where she brewed at Mystic Brewing Co.), Smuttynose, and the since shuttered Watch City. There’s an allure to working for well established brands where a culture is already in place, she says, but a challenge that comes with working on a brand new system and being tasked with moving a brewery forward while new history is being written. She spoke to the podcast via phone in Rhode Island about her career and the last few weeks of getting the system dialed in and beer ready for the people.This Episode is sponsored by:NZ HopsHarvest has officially ended in New Zealand and there are exciting hops to choose from, including Nelson Sauvin, Motueka, Riwaka, and the newest hop in the lineup, Nectaron®. The white wine, stone fruit, and tropical fruit notes layered with pine, citrus, and herbal notes offer a range of flavors unlike any growing region in the world. Learn more about what they can do for your beers by visiting nzhops.co.nz or finding NZ Hops on social media.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Lee Lord of Narragansett Brewing CompanySponsors: NZ Hops, The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Rhode Island, Cream Ale, History, Lager, Gruit

Any beer lover that has been to Seattle over the last three decades has likely stopped into The Pike Brewing Company. Near the iconic market of the same name, the brewery was founded by Charles and Rose Ann Finkel in 1989. Part brewery, part pub, part museum, this welcoming spot has worked tirelessly to deliver on quality and flavorful pints and pushing forward a local experience. Charles and Rose Ann helped shape the way beer is perceived herein the United states, starting with their import company, Merchant Du Vin in the 1970s. The company has been through a lot in its 30 plus years, and while looking forward, Charles also uses history as a guide. In this interview, recorded over zoom, he talks about the evolution of the brewery, how he approaches beer and food pairings, the importance of local, and shares insight into being an owner, and what the future holds for this iconic brand. Covid impacted the brewery, of course, and this episode starts there, but this year also was his first without Rose Ann, who died nearly a year ago. The two were inseparatable and a constant presence, side by side at the brewery, at tastings, events, conferences and more. Her presence is felt in his words in his conversation. This Episode is sponsored by:NZ HopsHarvest has officially ended in New Zealand and there are exciting hops to choose from, including Nelson Sauvin, Motueka, Riwaka, and the newest hop in the lineup, Nectaron®. The white wine, stone fruit, and tropical fruit notes layered with pine, citrus, and herbal notes offer a range of flavors unlike any growing region in the world. Learn more about what they can do for your beers by visiting nzhops.co.nz or finding NZ Hops on social media.Athletic Brewing Co.At Athletic Brewing Company their innovative process allows them to brew great-tasting craft beer without the alcohol. From IPAs to stouts to golden ales and more, they offer a full selection of beers starting at only 50 calories. Now you can keep your head clear and enjoy the refreshing taste of beer anytime, anywhere. Place an order today at athleticbrewing.com and get free shipping on two six-packs or more.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Charles Finkel of Pike Brewing.Sponsors: NZ Hops, Athletic Brewing Co., The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Seattle, Pale Ale, History, Stout, Museum, Writing, Food, Legacy

As mentioned briefly last week, Brienne Allen of Notch Brewing has been sharing stories of women in the beer industry. So far hundreds of women have come forward with stories of abuse, harassment, and worse by men in and around the brewing industry. Among the news and the announcement was a statement from Laura Dierks the founder of Interboro Spirits & Ales in Brooklyn, New York. In a signed note she said the brewery was postponing their upcoming Pils City festival because two breweries that have come under fire had been invited to participate. “We cannot stand aside when some colleagues are physically or emotionally unsafe, feel unsafe or not respected for their intellectual contributions in our community, regardless of who they are externally," she wrote. Dierks and Jesse Furguson founded the brewery in 2016, and have turned into one of the most respected and inventive breweries in New York. Known for their beers, the company’s spirits program is also known for great recipes as well, including a canned gin and tonic cocktail. A whisky will soon be released. Dierks has been speaking out on social media about the treatment of women in the industry. This is a difficult subject that can’t be ignored and she offers up her own experiences and how the brewery is looking to be a leader in the space going forward. She spoke to the show via Zoom from Brooklyn. This Episode is sponsored by:NZ HopsHarvest has officially ended in New Zealand and there are exciting hops to choose from, including Nelson Sauvin, Motueka, Riwaka, and the newest hop in the lineup, Nectaron®. The white wine, stone fruit, and tropical fruit notes layered with pine, citrus, and herbal notes offer a range of flavors unlike any growing region in the world. Learn more about what they can do for your beers by visiting nzhops.co.nz or finding NZ Hops on social media.BriessBriess is the original craft maltster, and currently offers the broadest product line in the industry. Briess’ barley is grown in the Bighorn Basin of Wyoming and Montana, where warm days, cool nights, and floodwater irrigation yield some of the highest quality barley in the U.S.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Laura Dierks of Interboro Spirits & AlesSponsors: Briess Malt and Ingredient Co., NZ Hops, The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, New York, Harassment, Women, Craft Beer, Assault, Pilsner

Mike Patterson and Emily Vides are the couple behind of Small Change brewing in Massachusetts. The contract brewery turned three earlier this month and in the time it has been distributing beer it has gained a strong reputation for reliable and flavorful ales, including styles that are often overlooked, like milds. It's a story of a homebrewer who went pro, but also of collaboration, artistic expression, communication, music, and harmony. From navigating the pandemic and customer interaction over zoom, to thinking about how can labels are really like album cover art, spend some time with this Massachusetts-based brewery that is doing its part to add to the beer industry. This Episode is sponsored by:NZ HopsHarvest has officially ended in New Zealand and there are exciting hops to choose from, including Nelson Sauvin, Motueka, Riwaka, and the newest hop in the lineup, Nectaron®. The white wine, stone fruit, and tropical fruit notes layered with pine, citrus, and herbal notes offer a range of flavors unlike any growing region in the world. Learn more about what they can do for your beers by visiting nzhops.co.nz or finding NZ Hops on social media. BriessBriess is the original craft maltster, and currently offers the broadest product line in the industry. Briess’ barley is grown in the Bighorn Basin of Wyoming and Montana, where warm days, cool nights, and floodwater irrigation yield some of the highest quality barley in the U.S.Athletic Brewing Co.At Athletic Brewing Company their innovative process allows them to brew great-tasting craft beer without the alcohol. From IPAs to stouts to golden ales and more, they offer a full selection of beers starting at only 50 calories. Now you can keep your head clear and enjoy the refreshing taste of beer anytime, anywhere. Place an order today at athleticbrewing.com and get free shipping on two six-packs or more.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Emily Vides and Mike Patterson of Small Change BrewingSponsors: Briess Malt and Ingredient Co., NZ Hops, Athletic Brewing Co., The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Contract Brewing, Mild, Pale Ale, Massachusetts, Art, Music

Notes from host John Holl:"A few weeks ago I headed down to Asheville, North Carolina for a few days to help out with photography on a new book I’ve been working on. I didn’t have a lot of time for social or other visits, but I made it a point to make my first stop in the state at Zebulon Artisan Ales. Mike Karnowski is the man in and behind the brewery, it’s a small haven he started after a career brewing for others, and that started out running a homebrewing shop. Here at the brewery he does things his way, but also with historical accuracy and reverence. Over the years he’s worked with beer historians to release period-accurate beers that really offer a snapshot in time and reveal long forgotten flavors and how beer has evolved. A few weeks ago on the show with Em Sauter and Don Tse we were talking about date coding beer styles, and that’s something Mike is doing. You’ll even had a chance to try them for yourself soon enough. We sat down at his taproom bar on a day when he’s usually closed. It was a brew day, and he’d already been at it for hours."This Episode is sponsored by: BriessBriess is the original craft maltster, and currently offers the broadest product line in the industry. Briess’ barley is grown in the Bighorn Basin of Wyoming and Montana, where warm days, cool nights, and floodwater irrigation yield some of the highest quality barley in the U.S.NZ HopsHarvest has officially ended in New Zealand and there are exciting hops to choose from, including Nelson Sauvin, Motueka, Riwaka, and the newest hop in the lineup, Nectaron®. The white wine, stone fruit, and tropical fruit notes layered with pine, citrus, and herbal notes offer a range of flavors unlike any growing region in the world. Learn more about what they can do for your beers by visiting nzhops.co.nz or finding NZ Hops on social media. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Michael Karnowski of Zebulon Artisan AlesSponsors: Briess Malt and Ingredient Co., NZ Hops, The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Hops, Bottles, History, IPA, North Carolina

This week on the show the head brewer, co-founder, and co-owner of Zillicoah Brewing in North Carolina talks about lagers, homebrewing and how the brewery survived COVID-19. John Parks talks about brewing the kind of beer he likes to drink, how the brewery fits into the greater Asheville brewing scene, and their transition into bottles. This episode was recorded on location. BriessBriess is the original craft maltster, and currently offers the broadest product line in the industry. Briess’ barley is grown in the Bighorn Basin of Wyoming and Montana, where warm days, cool nights, and floodwater irrigation yield some of the highest quality barley in the U.S. NZ HopsIn a little country far down in the Pacific, you’ll find a cooperative of Master Growers, whose legend and cultivars have been crafted for over 150 years, with creativity and passion, to produce some of the world’s finest hops. This is NZ Hops. The industry originated in 1843 not long after the early settlers arrived from England. Years of partnership with a dedicated hop breeding program, and farming knowledge handed down through the generations, sees the current day Master Growers proudly providing 18 unique New Zealand hop varieties to the world.Athletic Brewing Co.At Athletic Brewing Company their innovative process allows them to brew great-tasting craft beer without the alcohol. From IPAs to stouts to golden ales and more, they offer a full selection of beers starting at only 50 calories. Now you can keep your head clear and enjoy the refreshing taste of beer anytime, anywhere. Place an order today at athleticbrewing.com and get free shipping on two six-packs or more.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: John ParksSponsors: Briess Malt and Ingredient Co., NZ Hops, Athletic Brewing Co., The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Hops, Bottles, Lager, Covid-19, Barrels, North Carolina

Should beer styles be date coded? What did Europeans of the 1800s really dress like? Is there an excellent whisky we should be drinking? This week host John Holl finished the first draft of a manuscript for his next book and his mental state is... fried. So, he called up two friends to help get back into the world. Em Sauter of Pints and Panels and Don Tse, a malt enthusiast, Zoom into the show for support, laughs, and to tackle the important questions in beer today. This episode is sponsored by:Source Brewing Co.Source Brewing is looking to award a diversity and inclusion scholarship to a candidate from a diverse background who may otherwise underrepresented in the craft brewing industry. The recipient of the scholarship will have the opportunity to take the Siebel Concise Course in Brewing Technology and possibly receive a paid internship at the brewery. Send an email expressing your interest in the scholarship to [email protected] or to seek additional information. NZ HopsIn a little country far down in the Pacific, you’ll find a cooperative of Master Growers, whose legend and cultivars have been crafted for over 150 years, with creativity and passion, to produce some of the world’s finest hops. This is NZ Hops. The industry originated in 1843 not long after the early settlers arrived from England. Years of partnership with a dedicated hop breeding programme, and farming knowledge handed down through the generations, sees the current day Master Growers proudly providing 18 unique New Zealand hop varieties to the world.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Em Sauter and Don TseSponsors: NZ Hops, Source Brewing, The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Hops, Lager, Pale Ale, Pilsner, Glassware, Beer Garden, COVID-19, Canada, Books, Art

Show notes from host John Holl:"There are some remarkable beers coming out of Fair Isle in Seattle, delightful farmhouse inspired ales that play heavy into culinary inspiration, time in wood or stainless, and a house culture that brings some wonderful characteristics to each beer. Andrew Pogue and Geoffrey Barker co-founded the brewery a few years ago and have worked to bring some of the niche beers that speak to them as drinkers, creators, and artists, to the local beer scene. Judging by the following they’ve amassed, I’d say it’s working. In many of their creations there is a deft use of local fruits or foraged ingredients. They rely on specialty malts from artisanal farms, and an in-house and creative streak to bring familiar yet distinct flavors to each bottle. Because there are three of us we recorded over zoom, so there’s the usual technology bothers that come up now and again. Apologies. Bonus: be listening for a smoky beer shower." This episode is sponsored by:NZ HopsIn a little country far down in the Pacific, you’ll find a cooperative of Master Growers, whose legend and cultivars have been crafted for over 150 years, with creativity and passion, to produce some of the world’s finest hops. This is NZ Hops. The industry originated in 1843 not long after the early settlers arrived from England. Years of partnership with a dedicated hop breeding program, and farming knowledge handed down through the generations, sees the current day Master Growers proudly providing 18 unique New Zealand hop varieties to the world.Athletic Brewing Co.At Athletic Brewing Company their innovative process allows them to brew great-tasting craft beer without the alcohol. From IPAs to stouts to golden ales and more, they offer a full selection of beers starting at only 50 calories. Now you can keep your head clear and enjoy the refreshing taste of beer anytime, anywhere. Place an order today at athleticbrewing.com and get free shipping on two six-packs or more.Rare Beer ClubUnlike any other beer club, The Rare Beer Club often works with breweries like Lost Abbey, The Bruery, and American Solera to create craft beers made exclusively for members. They also bring in hard to find and exclusively imported selections such as Fantome’s Magic Ghost and Westvleteren XII. Their Personalized shipment program allow members to customize each shipment and skip beers you don’t want to get. Get 50% off your first shipment when you sign up for an open-ended ongoing membership at beermonthclub.com and use promo code: DrinkRareBeer. (2 shipment minimum).For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuests: Geoffrey Barker & Andrew PogueSponsors: Athletic Brewing Co., NZ Hops, The Rare Beer Club The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Hops, Saison, Farmhouse, Fruit, Barrels,

From the time he started as a professional brewer Sean Burke has been on the brewing deck spearheading some of Portland Oregon’s best and exciting breweries, including The Commons and Von Ebert Brewing Co. He made headlines last summer when he announced that he was heading out to open his own brewery, in McMinnville, Oregon that would eventually become known as ForeLand Beer. It opened in the pandemic but Burke has used his experience to guide the business and his team. He sees a little bit of hope on the horizon for this brewery that has repeatedly had to adapt before its doors even opened. This episode is sponsored by:Source Brewing Co. Source Brewing is looking to award a diversity and inclusion scholarship to a candidate from a diverse background who may otherwise underrepresented in the craft brewing industry. The recipient of the scholarship will have the opportunity to take the Siebel Concise Course in Brewing Technology and possibly receive a paid internship at the brewery. Send an email expressing your interest in the scholarship to [email protected] or to seek additional information. NZ HopsIn a little country far down in the Pacific, you’ll find a cooperative of Master Growers, whose legend and cultivars have been crafted for over 150 years, with creativity and passion, to produce some of the world’s finest hops. This is NZ Hops. The industry originated in 1843 not long after the early settlers arrived from England. Years of partnership with a dedicated hop breeding programme, and farming knowledge handed down through the generations, sees the current day Master Growers proudly providing 18 unique New Zealand hop varieties to the world.Rare Beer ClubUnlike any other beer club, The Rare Beer Club often works with breweries like Lost Abbey, The Bruery, and American Solera to create craft beers made exclusively for members. They also bring in hard to find and exclusively imported selections such as Fantome’s Magic Ghost and Westvleteren XII. Their Personalized shipment program allow members to customize each shipment and skip beers you don’t want to get. Get 50% off your first shipment when you sign up for an open-ended ongoing membership at beermonthclub.com and use promo code: DrinkRareBeer. (2 shipment minimum).For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Sean Burke of ForeLand BeerSponsors: NZ Hops, The Rare Beer Club, Source Brewing, The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Hops, Lager, Pale Ale, Pilsner, Glassware, Beer Garden, COVID-19

Ryan Wibby has a passion for traditional lagers but also likes to play around in the space. Since launching Wibby Brewing Co. he has racked up medals, awards, and some top notch reviews. His vienna lager, for example, recently scored 100 points in a blind review panel from Wine Enthusiast Magazine. Like so many small brewers he has worries but excitement about the future. He is always trying to find new ways to reach customers. From lagers with cacao nibs, to making shandies and seltzers, it is clear he is a brewer who is enjoying his days and grateful for the customers downing the pints. This episode is sponsored by:NZ HopsIn a little country far down in the Pacific, you’ll find a cooperative of Master Growers, whose legend and cultivars have been crafted for over 150 years, with creativity and passion, to produce some of the world’s finest hops. This is NZ Hops. The industry originated in 1843 not long after the early settlers arrived from England. Years of partnership with a dedicated hop breeding programme, and farming knowledge handed down through the generations, sees the current day Master Growers proudly providing 18 unique New Zealand hop varieties to the world.Athletic Brewing Co.At Athletic Brewing Company their innovative process allows them to brew great-tasting craft beer without the alcohol. From IPAs to stouts to golden ales and more, they offer a full selection of beers starting at only 50 calories. Now you can keep your head clear and enjoy the refreshing taste of beer anytime, anywhere. Place an order today at athleticbrewing.com and get free shipping on two six-packs or more.Rare Beer ClubUnlike any other beer club, The Rare Beer Club often works with breweries like Lost Abbey, The Bruery, and American Solera to create craft beers made exclusively for members. They also bring in hard to find and exclusively imported selections such as Fantome’s Magic Ghost and Westvleteren XII. Their Personalized shipment program allow members to customize each shipment and skip beers you don’t want to get. Get 50% off your first shipment when you sign up for an open-ended ongoing membership at beermonthclub.com and use promo code: DrinkRareBeer. (2 shipment minimum).For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Ryan Wibby of Wibby Brewing Co.Sponsors: Athletic Brewing Co., NZ Hops, The Rare Beer Club The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Hops, Lager, Shandy, Colorado, Pilsner, Expansion, History, Pools, Beer garden, COVID-19

Welcome to This Week in Rauchbier for April 1, 2021. Hagan and Bill of Dovetail Brewing in Chicago are off again this week, but joining John Holl is a bevy of rauchbier guests that will warm your hearts and soul, just like properly kilned malt. Lisa Allen of Heater Allen Brewing in Oregon is here to talk about all things rauchbier. Franziska Weyermann of Weyermann Specialty Malts tells us about the family business and what is on the horizon for smoked malt. Jack Hendler of Jack's Abby Craft Lagers in Massachusetts answers letters from the smoked malt mailbag and, as always, Bart Watson of the Brewers Association will be joining us to talk about the smoked beer stats we all look forward to each week. Thanks to Hagen and Bill for the inspiration to do this show. Hear the genesis on episode 5 of Drink Beer, Think Beer.Music for this episode:NewsSting by Kevin MacLeodLink: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/4124-newsstingLicense: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/Sponsor:This episode is brought to you by the Barke® line of Weyermann Specialty Malts. Barke once enjoyed the highest reputation among German brewers and was once the most common barley variety. Weyermann believes in Barke®, as an all-time great in the history of barley varieties, with its unique qualities especially for artisanal beers, it will continue to have a home in the portfolio of Weyermann® specialty malts for years to come. Available as Barke® Pilsner malt, Barke® Vienna malt, and Barke® Munich malt. Go to bsgcraftbrewing.com to learn more, or call 1-800-374-2739. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuests: Lisa Allen, Jack Hendler, Franziska Weyermann, and Bart Watson.Tags: beer, craft beer, rauchbier, smoke, April Fool's Day

Show notes from host John Holl: Season eight of The Simpsons introduced us to Cecil Underdunk Terwilliger, the younger brother of Sideshow Bob. Our guest this week is Bill Oakley, who among many other things that we’ll tell you about, was the show runner for that season - as well as season 7 – of the long running animated series. So, it seemed fitting to have my younger, but taller, brother on the show. Especially since he is the one who first put Oakley on my radar. On Oakley's Instagram page - @ That Bill Oakley – he chronicles the fast pace, high-caloric, sometimes gimmicky, often tasty, and modern Americana that is fast food. He regularly posts videos of himself outside of familiar spots like Popeyes, Burger King, McDonalds, KFC, and more giving reviews of their latest offerings, or reviewing “hacks” sent in by viewers. Like so many of the great comedy writers of his generation he went to Harvard where he worked on the Harvard Lampoon. In 1992 he joined the staff of the Simpsons where he wrote or contributed to many of the episodes that are considered golden classics to this day. He and his writing partner Josh Weinstein won three emmy awards for their work. They became show runners and executive producers of the show for seasons seven and eight. You may remember some of them: “The Itchy, Scratchy, and Poochie show” “22 Short Films about Springfield” “Radioactive Man” and “Homer’s Enemy” After leaving the show he and Weinstein created Mission Hill, an animated series that appeared on the then WB network. They also then consulted on Futurama and other projects. Oakley began writing and then became a co-executive producer for Portlandia, co-writing every episode on the 3rd season. We’ll talk about comedy, and writing, and will try hard not to geek out too much but this is a conversation about fast food, and the intersection with beer – there are a lot actually aside from bad decisions made after too many pints at the bar."This episode is sponsored by:NZ HopsIn a little country far down in the Pacific, you’ll find a cooperative of Master Growers, whose legend and cultivars have been crafted for over 150 years, with creativity and passion, to produce some of the world’s finest hops. This is NZ Hops. The industry originated in 1843 not long after the early settlers arrived from England. Years of partnership with a dedicated hop breeding programme, and farming knowledge handed down through the generations, sees the current day Master Growers proudly providing 18 unique New Zealand hop varieties to the world.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Hosts: John Holl, Tom HollGuest: Bill OakleySponsors: NZ Hops, The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Hops, Lager, IPA, Fast Food, Maryland, The Simpsons, Steamed Hams, Comedy, Oregon

His brewery survived the Great Recession and will do the same with the COVID-19 pandemic, and Paul Kavulak is constantly thinking of new ways to innovate, keep the business running smoothly, and finding the right people for the right jobs. In this episode of Drink Beer, Think Beer he shares stories from his homebrewing days, and the early days of the brewery that laid the foundation to what the company is today and can be in the future. It's a family affair, with his children in the brewhouse and front office, taking on key roles to help this brewery, known for barrel-aged offerings as well as a traditional core line up, focused on quality and community. From opening up the cellar to offer up rare beers to ease the monotony of endless pandemic days, to the struggles of making a "hazy" IPA that keeps pouring clear, Kavulak is a voice of experience, good humor, and remains a fan of beer. This episode is sponsored by:NZ Hops In a little country far down in the Pacific, you’ll find a cooperative of Master Growers, whose legend and cultivars have been crafted for over 150 years, with creativity and passion, to produce some of the world’s finest hops. This is NZ Hops. The industry originated in 1843 not long after the early settlers arrived from England. Years of partnership with a dedicated hop breeding programme, and farming knowledge handed down through the generations, sees the current day Master Growers proudly providing 18 unique New Zealand hop varieties to the world.Athletic Brewing Co. At Athletic Brewing Company their innovative process allows them to brew great-tasting craft beer without the alcohol. From IPAs to stouts to golden ales and more, they offer a full selection of beers starting at only 50 calories. Now you can keep your head clear and enjoy the refreshing taste of beer anytime, anywhere. Place an order today at athleticbrewing.com and get free shipping on two six-packs or more.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Paul Kavulak of Nebraska Brewing Co. Sponsors: Athletic Brewing Co., NZ Hops, The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Hops, Lager, IPA, Nebraska, Iowa, Barrel-Aged, Pilsner, Expansion, History, Education, Pale Ale, COVID-19

Meet Davin and Kellan Bartosch the brothers behind Wise Acre Brewing Co. in Memphis. From talking about their high school beer hi-jinx to how a drive to find joy in education helped them start this fast-growing brewery. Family plays a big role in this brewery's direction and there are lessons to be learned on relying on those you love and trust. Wise Acre has helped define and grow Memphis' beer scene and now the brothers have their eye on expansion into new states, including Colorado. Pushing traditional styles with their own flair, Wise Acre makes the case that brewers can still have fun, and customers still want to drink, lagers and ales that taste like lagers and ales. This episode is part therapy session, part walk down memory lane, and all about family. This episode is sponsored by:Bolide CommunicationsWe are seasoned marketing professionals who have worked with some of the most respected brands in the world. We jump in deep, roll up our sleeves and do the work ourselves. With our depth of expertise, we know how to get results that matter – and no junior staff who are learning on your dime.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Davin and Kellan BartoschSponsor: Bolide Communications, The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Hops, Lager, IPA, Tennessee, Hops, Pilsner, Expansion, History, Education

Show notes from host John Holl: "Jennifer Talley is a brewer’s brewer. I can’t count the times over the years of covering beer that her name has come up, often in awe and always in excitement, when brewers talk about who they admire in the industry. Still, I never had the chance to interview her or have pints out in the world. When a press release from Firestone Walker arrived in my inbox this week promoting an IPA that Talley brewed with Matt Brynildson, I wanted to remedy that situation and she graciously agreed to come on the show. She holds a Bachelor of Science in Sociology and a Masters of Social Work degree from the University of Utah, the same state where she spent more than 20 years at the brewmaster and director of research and development for Squatters Brewery and Salt Lake Brewing Co. She’s a graduate of the Siebel Institute, where she met Matthew Brynildson, and was part of a pretty epic graduating class. Throughout her career she’s brewed for the Craft Brew Alliance, Russian River, Auburn Ale House and more. With nearly two dozen medals at both the World Beer Cup and Great American Beer Festival. She’s also the author of Session Beers from Brewers Publications. She’s currently on the board of the Brewers Association on the Pub Breweries committee and in 2011 she was awarded the Russell Schehrer Award for Innovation in Craft Brewing She’s been described as a force of positive energy, one of the coolest people in the industry, and in an email before this conversation, Brynildson simply called her a 'trip'. She spoke to me from California and I started off by asking about the style she wish got a little more respect by brewers and drinkers alike"This episode is sponsored by:Bolide CommunicationsWe are seasoned marketing professionals who have worked with some of the most respected brands in the world. We jump in deep, roll up our sleeves and do the work ourselves. With our depth of expertise, we know how to get results that matter – and no junior staff who are learning on your dime.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Jennifer TalleySponsor: Bolide Communications, The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Hops, Lager, IPA, California, Utah, Hops, Pilsner, Collaboration Beers

Show notes from host John Holl:"I’m excited to have Max Shafer on the show today. In my line of work there are breweries that pop up from time to time, that make a serious impression in the glass and then, when you dig a little deeper, also have a cool story to tell. That’s Roadhouse Brewing for me these days. They brewery began popping up in tastings, on social media, and in my email over the last few years and the more I read about it, the more interested I became. Max is the head brewer there and he’s leading a team that is trying to balance the needs of locals as well as the tourists that flock to Jackson Hole, Wyoming to experience the great outdoors. He’s familiar with the area, having cut his teeth at Grand Teton Brewing in Idaho, just a short drive away. If it’s brewing with local hops, tweaking recipes to make things a little better, or letting his brewers go wild, the beer work of this growing brewery is never ending." This episode is sponsored by:Jack's Abby Craft LagersLagers of the World is the result of our desire to expand our knowledge of lagers beyond our own community, culture, and traditions. What is the state of craft beer and craft lager in other countries? What styles and flavors are important to their beer culture? What brewing techniques do they employ? Our goal is to partner with other craft breweries across the globe, collaborate, and share what we learned with you in the format we do best: LAGER! Bolide CommunicationsWe are seasoned marketing professionals who have worked with some of the most respected brands in the world. We jump in deep, roll up our sleeves and do the work ourselves. With our depth of expertise, we know how to get results that matter – and no junior staff who are learning on your dime.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Max Shafer of Roadhouse BrewingSponsor: Jack's Abby Craft Lagers, Bolide Communications, The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Hops, Lager, IPA, Wyoming, Idaho, Hops, Pilsner, Collaboration Beers

Shyla Sheppard is our guest this week and she is the founder, president and co-founder of Bow and Arrow Brewing Co. in Albuquerque, New Mexico. The brewery just celebrated its 5th anniversary under the same circumstances that we’ve all been under over the last year, but they had some fun with it. Rather than letting the pandemic get them down, they are adapting quick and planning for the future. Before Sheppard got into the beer industry she worked in finance, helping entrepreneurs establish loans that would help fund their dreams. In her words, she wanted to follow them, and do what she loved, and beer was the path forward. The brewery makes the most of the area that it is in and draws from family history, especially from her partner Missy Begay, who is the brewery’s creative director. The beers are put together by Ted O’Hanlan, who worked at breweries in Wyoming before going to the Southwest. From native ingredients, to business strategies, and a look towards the future, Sheppard offers up unparalleled insight. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Shyla Sheppard of Bow and Arrow Brewing Co. Sponsor: The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Hops, Lager, New Mexico, Finance, Growth, Special Ingredients

A few weeks ago Vinnie Cilurzo the co-founder of Russian River Brewing Co. was on Steal This Beer and amid the hop soaked fun, he mentioned how the two breweries in the Russian River family – the pub in Santa Rosa, California and the new one in nearby Windsor – talk between each other to dial in recipes and make sure there is a united front. This is a normal practice for brewers with multiple locations, but when it comes to beers are revered as STS Pilsner and Pliny the Elder, it is easy to be intrigued. During that podcast the conversation did not dive too deep, so over the course of the last few weeks John Holl reached out to Cilurzo over email and the two discussed brewing processes and how having a newer brewery with all the bells and whistles has changed long-standing recipes. Eventually the two just decided it would be smart to just record a podcast about it, and here we are. In fact, this show would have happened sooner but Cilurzo was tied up with the 2021 launch of Pliny the Younger, the triple IPA that is released once per year to great acclaim and long lines. Because of the pandemic the sales were moved into bottles and online and it was a learning experience for the brewery – especially with how many people wanted a chance to drink (or maybe trade) bottles of their own. So, that’s where this conversations starts with Holl asking Cilurzo about Younger Day and the aftermath. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuests: Vinnie Cilurzo of Russian River Brewing Co. Sponsor: The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Hops, Lager, California, Pliny the Elder, Wine, Agriculture, Beer Quality

Show notes from host John Holl:"On every bottle of Maine Beer there are three words: Do What’s Right. This is an easy phrase to say, but incredibly hard to practice. It can’t just be a marketing slogan or something cooked up in a board room, slapped on a label and then forgotten. It has to mean something and what is right isn’t always the same thing for everyone, and so the person spearheading that initiative has to believe it, to practice it, and to have other believe it and practice it. Dan Kleban is my guest today. He and his brother co-founded Maine Beer Co. with the idea to make the beers that resonated with them, to be good stewards of the community and industry and to do what was right – even if not popular, easy, or inexpensive. We spend some time talking about how his brewery became part of the 1 percent for the planet initiative and how it has helped guide the brewery and give employees a sense of pride. We’ll talk bottles, hops, and tourism as well. But I wanted to start off by going back in time with Dan to what started him on this beer journey and we’ll eventually circle back to how that can apply to the next generation of brewers.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuests: Dan Kleban of Maine Beer Co. Sponsor: The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Maine, Hops, IPA, Pale Ale, Charity, Stout.

It's Super Bowl week in America and the attention of the sports world has turned to Tampa, Florida where the hometown team, the Buccaneers will take on the Kansas City Chiefs. For breweries the annual big game has become a chance for some city-to-city rivalries that play out in collaboration beers, tap takeovers, and more, with the brewery from the winning city often getting the better end of the deal, but in reality there are no losers. This show is in two segments. The first features Khristopher Johnson of Green Bench Brewing in Florida and Nick Mader of Alma Mader Brewery in Missouri. They talk about their bets, their cities, and how they are looking to further their beer making through education. Our second segment features Karlton Graham of KC Bier Co. in Missouri and Sean Sasscer of Cigar City Brewery talking about brewing outside of their comfort zones, what it's like brewing in cities that want to celebrate but are limited to the pandemic, and post-COVID-19 plans. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuests: Khristopher Johnson, Nick Mater, Karlton Graham, and Sean SasscerSponsor: The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Lager, Florida, IPA, Collaboration Beers, Kansas City, Tampa, Missouri

A decade ago Drew Fox decided to take his homebrewing hobby to the next level and went pro. Since then, as founder and president of 18th Street Brewery in Gary, Indiana, he’s grown the business into multiple locations, into bigger brewing systems and has traveled the country and the world working on collaboration beers and being a force of good will to the beer industry. From recipe evolution and creation, to what he is choosing to focus on to help the brewery grow in a meaningful way, he gets into it all in this wide-ranging interview. As a suicide survivor he is also speaking up on the importance of taking about and addressing mental health. His words and perspective are something everyone should listen to. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Drew Fox of 18th Street BrewerySponsor: The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Lager, Indiana, IPA, Collaboration Beers, Mental Health, Charity. Sour Ales,

Some thoughts on this episode from host John Holl:"When I first started drinking beer, one of the breweries that opened my eyes and palate to flavor was Magic Hat. Thanks to its Number 9, the beer was a fruity pale ale with whimsical labels, clever facts and saying under the bottle cap, and at a price point that didn’t make my budget scream. Of course a lot has changed in 20 years and that brewery doesn’t dominate the conversation or even register too much for folks anymore. So, last year, I wasn’t too surprised when the corporate parent company of Magic Hat announced that it would be winding down operations and moving production to upstate New York. The brewery, in South Burlington, however, would remain online and Zero Gravity, a popular Vermont brewery, founded in 2004, would be taking over the space. I had only passing memories of Zero Gravity, having visited once or twice, but not for at least five years. Taking over a well-known spot with a lot of capacity was intriguing and I meant to reach out earlier. But, you know, the pandemic got in the way. So just after the start of this new year I was able to call and talk with Matt Wilson the CEO and co-founder of the brewery. In a state that knows and celebrates its IPA, Zero Gravity – which of course makes hop forward ales – has put a lot of focus on lagers. It also takes sustainability and growth seriously and is looking to the non-alcoholic space as well. We get into it quick and he shares insights on what the future holds for Zero Gravity."For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Matt Wilson of Zero Gravity Sponsor: The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Lager, Vermont, IPA, Magic Hat, Non-alcoholic beer, sustainability, charity

Before launching Heirloom Rustic Ales in Tulsa, Oklahoma a few years ago Jake Miller cut his teeth at breweries like Prairie Artisan Ales, Wolves and People, and Saint Somewhere. Along the way he picked up different brewing techniques and a sense for the aesthetics that make for a good brewery and channeled it into his own place. Today he's determined to follow a brewing path that excites him and is interesting. This means ditching his mixed fermentation program and putting a lot of focus on lagers. From avoiding burn out in the brewing industry, to offering up a customer experience that is an extension of his colleagues, Miller talks about what he hopes to achieve as a brewer in the modern age. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Jake Miller of Heirloom Rustic AlesSponsor: The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Lager, Tulsa, Mixed Fermentation, Brewing

Lisa and Brandon Boldt are the owners of Primitive Beer in Colorado. They bill themselves as Colorado's first exclusively spontaneous, barrel-fermented beer blendery. And in a state that has claimed its fair share of firsts, that’s a pretty big deal, especially after you taste their beer. You kinda wonder why we had to wait so long. When they opened their doors in 2018 the made a splash on the local scene for their Méthode Traditionnelle ales, as well as the packaging – maybe you’ve seen their beer in a box. But even their bottled offerings are starting to pop up around the country and would certainly be coveted at bottle shares – if those were still a thing. And one to look out for is a collaboration they did with Beer Kulture, called Peach On A Beach. It’s a blend of two and three-year aged spontaneous beer matured on Colorado-grown Allstar Peaches and Tahitian-grown vanilla beans in two freshly emptied Buffalo Trace Bourbon barrels.Get ready to listen in. Here come the Lambic Police. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Lisa and Brandon Boldt of Primitive BeerSponsor: The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Lambic, Gueuze, Colorado, Tradition, Beer in a box

Show notes from host John Holl: “I’ve been thinking a lot about pints and specifically what I missed as I spent time at home and away from normal beer related things in 2020. I’ve really missed draft beer. I’ve missed settling into favorite tables or stools at familiar bars, scanning a list and ordering something new and exciting or flavorful and reliable. Over the course of this past year, I’ve talked with a lot of brewery owners and brewers about how COVID-19 has impacted them and changed the brewing industry, but today I want to talk about bars and what the pandemic has done to them. As I got to writing this there was an article in the Wall Street Journal that chronicled the plight of bars and restaurants across the country amid restrictions and shutdowns. There was one quote in particular that stuck out to me, from Aaron Gregory Smith, the executive director of the United States’ Bartender’s guild: "This is the worst crisis to hit the industry since Prohibition," he said. Like you, I miss travel and I miss going to bars that feel familiar even if I visit only once or twice a year or every few years. A good feeling and well-appointed bar is an extension of the publican and today on the show I’m honored to be joined by three of the very best in the country: Polly Watts of the Avenue Pub in New Orleans, Michael Roper of Hop Leaf in Chicago, and Chris Black of Falling Rock Tap House in Denver. All three are thoughtful, passionate, and knowledgeable and each have been kicked while down this year but are doing their best to stick it out. We spoke shortly before Christmas, with Chris in Denver, Michael in Chicago and Polly in London, where she was visiting her daughter. I had some questions in mind before we started, but quickly realized that since all three were friends and had a lot on their minds and so I just hit record and let them at it.” For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Chris Black, Michael Roper, Polly WattsSponsor: The Beer EdgeTags: Beer, Bars, Craft Beer, Travel, Kegs, Chicago, Denver, New Orleans, Staffing, 2021

Show notes from Host John Holl:"As this year limps to a close I was thinking of what usually brings me joy in and around the beer space and It’s getting together with good friends over pints for general business chat as well as a proper bullshit session. Since we can’t get together in I thought that this could be a good format to bring together some of my favorite people for a chat about the year that was and to share some stories. So on the show this week is author Melissa Cole, her new book is called “The Little Book of Lager” and it’s available now where books are sold. Christopher Shepard is the senior editor of Craft Brew News, published by Beer Marketers Insights. And Greg Avola is one of the founders of Untapped. I wanted to talk a little business, have a little fun, and generally see where their heads were as this year comes to a close.So, get a beer, get comfortable and let’s have some fun."For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Melissa Cole, Christopher Shepard, and Greg AvolaSponsor: Cigar City Brewing Tags: beer, craft beer, Untappd, Lager, London, Hard Seltzer, Trends, Glassware,This episode is sponsored by: Cigar City BrewingMaduro Brown Ale: Among the darkest colored and most complex cigars made in Tampa’s Ybor City is the maduro, made with an overripe wrapper and exhibiting chocolatey and earthy flavors. We draw inspiration from these sophisticated cigars and from Tampa’s cigar-making history with Maduro Brown Ale, a Northern English Brown Ale brewed with flaked oats. Full in body and silky on the palate, Maduro Brown Ale’s chocolate and espresso notes are rounded out by toffee-like qualities and a light woody hop presence. Enjoy Maduro Brown Ale with chicharrones, ropa vieja, or a fine hand-rolled cigar.

Mitch Steele is a brewmaster that everyone looks up to. He’s had a storied career in beer, worked at prominent breweries, developed some of the beers we all still know and drink today, today he is the brewmaster at New Realm Brewing, a company he helped found that operates a brewery in Georgia and one in Virginia. He is a teacher that many in the brewing industry turn to for advice and inspiration, but Mitch – he’s earned his place in the first name club of brewers – is still very much a student. He’s curious, a relentless tinkerer, and on the hunt for new flavors, new ideas, and ways to make his beers the very best they can be. There’s a lot to learn from him and he always seems happy to share. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Mitch Steele of New Realm BrewingSponsor: Cigar City Brewing Tags: beer, craft beer, California, Stone, IPA, Experimental Brewing, Stout, Georgia, Virginia, New Realm, Tripel, Quad, Hazy IPAThis episode is sponsored by: Cigar City BrewingFancy Papers IPA: Just as handsome designs printed on fancy papers and applied to cigar boxes are used to entice cigar lovers, we use Strata, Sabro, and Idaho 7 hops to draw in lovers of fruit-forward Hazy IPAs.

Laura Ulrich is the small batch brewer at Stone Brewing Co. and is our guest today. Yes, Stone Brewing is one of the larger craft breweries in America, and has succeeded over the years with in-your-face marketing and a fondness for West Coast IPA. But like most breweries their size, there is a smaller component, experimental batches that might one day become larger releases, but that serve the pubs or speciality accounts. What’s it like, warts and all, to have a job where the beer carries a familiar brand name, but the liquid might not be what some customers expect? We’ll get into it. Then we’re talking about Pink Boots, where Laura serves as president of the organization. From how she came be involved from the start, to its evolution, and where she would like to see it go. Education is key to elevating the whole segment, something the organization has put front and center. Get a beer and listen along. This is a fun conversation. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Laura Ulrich of Stone Brewing Sponsor: Cigar City Brewing Tags: beer, craft beer, California, Stone, IPA, Experimental Brewing, Stout, Pink Boots SocietyThis episode is sponsored by: Cigar City BrewingCentral to Mayan mythology is the story of twin brothers named Xbalanque and Hunahpu, the Hero Twins. After the Twins’ father was murdered by evil deities from Xibalba, his corpse became a cacao tree that spawned our two Heroes. Epic adventures followed, culminating in a journey to Xibalba to avenge their father’s death. Vanquishing their enemies handily, the Heroes then ascended unto the heavens where they became the sun and the moon

Show notes from host John Holl:"I’m both excited and bummed to have Hugh Sisson, the founder of Heavy Seas beer on the show today. Excited because Hugh is a thoughtful, engaging, and dynamic figure in beer who has worked tirelessly to foster and grow an industry and has been a mentor for many. Bummed because I had hoped to do this interview in person. But, you know, Covid. It’s likely better to be apart because if I was at the brewery I’d likely have one too many pints of IPA. He’s been in beer a lot longer than most, with Heavy Seas and a brewpub, named Sissons before that. He and his dad successfully worked to get state legislation changed to make professional brewing easier in Maryland, and he continues to stay involved and be an advocate for an industry he cares deeply about. This week the brewery, officially licensed as Clipper City, but going under the Heavy Seas name turns 25. It’s an odd year to have a milestone birthday but the brewery is continuing its tradition of releasing a big, boozy monster of an ale – and we’ll talk about that. Hugh is also looking forward to reopening the taproom when it’s safe to do so. A few years back when I was on a book tour I did a signing at Heavy Seas for a few hours and watched as happy patrons came in for pints and a tour. Hugh led several of these tours himself and would start off with a very specific reading. Since he hasn’t had an audience for a while, I thought it would be good to let him stretch those muscles. Let us pray."For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Hugh Sisson of Heavy Seas BrewingSponsor: Cigar City Brewing Tags: beer, craft beer, wine, brewpubs, distribution, Maryland, Baltimore, IPA, Cask AleThis episode is sponsored by: Cigar City BrewingThe world needs heroes, and in our home state of Florida only a very special hero will do. A hero with a shark tooth around his neck, a Grim Reaper tattoo on his arm, and a rap sheet longer than his mama’s mustache. A hero who’s forgotten more about amateur taxidermy and alligator rasslin’ than you’ll ever know. What better way to pay tribute to our beloved Florida Man than with a big ol’ Double India Pale Ale brewed with a nearly-criminal amount of hops and a moderate bitterness that just about matches Florida Man’s general disposition. This hopped-up whopper of a beer is big in character and guaranteed to sear itself into your memory, just like “the world’s worst superhero,” Florida Man.

Thanksgiving is going to be different this year here in the United States but for many of us, smaller crowd sizes does not mean different foods or different beers. This week we talk with Hutch Kugeman of the Culinary Institute of America on how to plan out beer and food pairings, what to think about if you’re thinking about a cooking education, and the current state of the hospitality industry. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Hutch Kugeman of the Culinary Institute of AmericaSponsor: Cigar City Brewing Tags: beer, craft beer, food pairings, New York, supporting local, educationThis episode is sponsored by: Cigar City BrewingTropical and bright with a full palate of flavor and a potency designed with moderation in mind, Jai Low IPA lowers the intensity of a typical India Pale Ale while maintaining the highest quality and hop flavor possible. All the qualities found in the finest IPAs, including citrus aromas and flavors, bread-like maltiness and a moderate, snappy bitterness are found, making this beer a deceptively tempered addition to Cigar City Brewing’s line-up of hop-forward creations.

Show notes from host John Holl:"I’ve known Tom Troncone since before I was writing about beer. We were competing reporters at newspapers in the New York Metro area. The nature of our jobs, covering crime and breaking news, often meant that we would be hanging out at crime scenes in the middle of the night. We were always friendly, but we’d work to beat each other’s brains out in the paper the following day. When I started writing about beer I discovered that Tom was a homebrewer as well as a big beer fan. He knew all the whales and where to find them, and was at all of the important releases, and bottle shares. All along he was harboring the idea of opening his own brewery, and finally decided that it was time to leave journalism behind and open his own brewery, Muckraker, based in the northern part of New Jersey where he can focus on spontaneous beers from his coolship, local ingredients, and barrel aging. It occurred to me that this kind of brewing was just right for an old ink stained wretch like Tom. As reporters we don’t dictate the news, but simply follow the story where it goes. It makes sense to understand the beat you’re covering so you can have context, but you just have to let events unfold. Spontaneous ales are like that. Nature, not a recipe dictates the way."For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Tom Troncone of Muckraker BeermakerSponsor: Cigar City Brewing Tags: beer, craft beer, spontaneous ales, Belgium, New Jersey, hard seltzerThis episode is sponsored by: Cigar City BrewingNative to the Basque region of Spain, the game of Jai Alai involves players launching a ball from a curved mitt called a cesta in an attempt to outsmart and outmaneuver their opponents on a court called a fronton. Native to Tampa, Florida, Jai Alai IPA is a bold, citrusy and balanced India Pale Ale that involves six different hop varietals used generously in a 7.5% ABV beer. While the number of frontons in our home state of Florida has dropped since the sport’s peak in the mid-1980’s, Cigar City Brewing pays homage to the sport and the dedicated players and patrons who keep this Florida tradition alive with its flagship ale. Look for notes of orange peel, clementine and light caramel to share the story and sunshine of Florida with beer lovers across the globe.

This week, as Drink Beer, Think Beer celebrates its one year anniversary, we’re glad to welcome J.C. Tetreault of Trillium Brewing Co. to the show. Tetreault has packed a lot into the eight years his brewery has been open. He’s helped establish beer styles, he’s had tremendous growth, has been the subject of intense scrutiny where he’s had to defend the brewery and its reputation, and throughout it all he’s been tinkering, and making moves, adapting, and trying to keep his thoughts on his passions and what brought him to beer in the first place. One year ago the show was in Belgium, in a barrel cellar talking about foam. So we wanted to come back to that word along with some other F-words with Tetreault. That includes fans, festivals, and the future. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Jean-Claude Tetreault of Trillium BrewingTags: Beer, Craft Beer, IPA, Massachusetts, Agriculture, Saison, Foam, Beer Festivals

Orpheus Brewing in Atlanta is the fun, familiar story of a home brewer who wanted to go pro and did. Head brewer and CEO Jason Pellett has a background in music but fell in love with beer making and wanted to bring something special to his city when he and partners opened up the brewery seven years ago. He’s seen the brewery evolve over time and while he has come to embrace some traditions, and holds some things sacred he is also not afraid to mix things up in either of his roles. This means pushing the envelope of flavor but also making sure the bones of the business are solid.Among its recent initiatives is a leadership diversity program that is underway to bring the beer industry along with the times and to make sure the brewery is doing its part. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Jason Pellett of Orpheus BrewingTags: Beer, Craft Beer, IPA, Atlanta, Coolship, Saison, Brewing Diversity

Show notes from host John Holl:"Despite being one of the largest breweries in the country, I hadn’t given Lagunitas much of a thought in recent years. I’d of course see its IPA on tap at bars, back when I went to bars, and its familiar glass bottles on shelves. It was there, I was happy to see it, but usually ordered something else. A lot of people are drinking the beer, sure, but as the beer landscape and conversation has shifted to local, some of the middle tier breweries that we’ve long known and just kind of taken for granted have been making big moves. So when the new press representative for the brewery, which has been wholly owned by Heineken for the last three years, reached out I thought it would be smart to check in and see where the brewery is at and where it’s looking to go. Jeremy Marshall, the brewmaster, has been with the company for most of his brewing career and has seen the company grow from its once modest Petaluma, California home-base to Chicago, to overseas, and a small brewery in Seattle. Under this watch the brewery has grown from 21,000 hectoliters to over 1,000,000 hectoliters under his supervision. They are Dutch, so they use hectoliters, not barrels in their reporting. Because of his longevity he’s seen the brewery mature over the years, from the days of being shut down by the Feds because of a joint to now looking into the non-alcoholic beer space. Of course, marijuana is still part of the culture of the company, and its infused cannabis beverages are growing in popularity but you will hear why he doesn't think a full THC and alcohol hybrid is part of a likely future. He spoke to the show from the brewery in California." For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Jeremy Marshall of Lagunitas Brewing Co. Tags: Beer, Craft Beer, IPA, non-alcoholic beer, cannabis, California, Chicago,

On this show we like to get into the mind of a brewer and find out where their daydreams and creativity take them and how that ultimately winds up in our glasses. This week host John Holl is talking with Anna Jobe the innovation brewer at Night Shift in Massachusetts on how she approaches new styles, how she determines what works and what doesn't, and how she is looking for new avenues in cider, wine, and seltzer because so many of us aren’t just drinking beer exclusively anymore more. Anna is also an active member of Pink Boots and we dive into the importance of education in the beer industry not only for professionals but drinkers as well. People find their way to beer in all manner of ways and Anna talks about how she left one career in pursuit of fermentation and what she learned over the years and how working at Night Shift has been a true collaborative environment, something more breweries should practice. She spoke to the show from the brewery in Massachusetts.

There is good news in beer these days. Despite all the harm that COVID-19 is doing, there are businesses that are forging ahead and opening to the public. This week on the show we are talking with Mike Kraai of Drowned Lands Brewery in New York. The brewery has been making beer for a year now, but only opened its tasting room five weeks ago. The space is massive, suited for drinking apart during a pandemic. The 15,000 square-foot space sits on three acres, with a large lawn, ample patio, and even a second floor event space. Kraai isn’t shy about talking about the nearly $3 million he spent on the renovations to the century-old building that was once a reform school and later minimum security prison. With a view of the Appalachian mountains, in dedicated farm country, he wants the beers to be a reflection of place, and is trying to make the most out of his New York state farm brewery license, all while playing with traditions.For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Mike KraaiTags: Beer, Craft Beer, lager, oak, IPA, Homebrewing, nanobrewery, wood, saison, New York

Joining us on the phone this week is Tomme Arthur of the Lost Abbey. In the roughly 15 years that the brewery has been open it has largely focused on Belgian-inspired ales that have helped shape the course of beer in America today. Over the last months of COVID-19 he has had to look at his business model and find new ways to keep the lights on. This has been through new releases that include spritzy ales, pilsners, and a soon to be released hard tea. Tomme has long talked about the importance of innovation in the beer space and is hoping that fellow brewers are using this time to forge their own path. He also wants drinkers to seek out new flavors. He recently had the chance to taste what is happening in America right now. He spoke to the show from his brewery in Southern California, but just recently returned from Colorado where he was a judge at the 2020 Great American Beer Festival and shares some insights. For more Drink Beer, Think Beer or to check out Beer Edge: The Newsletter for Beer Professionals, follow us on Twitter @thebeeredge and subscribe to our beer industry focused newsletter. There is more information, articles, and engaging content at Beer Edge.Host: John HollGuest: Tomme ArthurTags: Beer, Craft Beer, IPA, Hops, California, Innovation, Non-alcoholic beers,