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David Chavern, the president and CEO of the nonprofit News Media Alliance, talks with Recode’s Kara Swisher about advocating on behalf of journalists in Washington, D.C. In this episode: How Chavern got to the News Media Alliance; the unique challenges of representing the media business; the ripple effects of the declining print business; the impact of Google and Facebook; revenue sharing, algorithm changes and conspiracy theories online; the differences among how the platforms understand the media; how tech has sucked up all the ad revenue; “charity isn’t going to solve this problem”; why does Facebook get Section 230 protections?; potential antitrust action; Trump’s dangerous “fake news” rhetoric; is education and news literacy enough?; tech billionaires buying media companies; and why it’s harder to innovate on the business model for journalism than it is in other forms of media Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Lora DiCarlo CEO Lora Haddock talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the process of designing an innovative new sex toy for women — and the fight to get mainstream acceptance for her invention. In this episode: Why Haddock started Lora DiCarlo; how she designed its first product, Osé; how startups design and create new physical products; with advanced robotics, "what we're trying to elicit is a blended orgasm"; why Haddock is avoiding vibration; funding Osé's development; receiving a CES innovation award from the Consumer Technology Association; getting rejected by CES and losing the award; the ensuing back and forth with the CTA; what Lora DiCarlo did instead of being at the main show; "they couldn't have done us a bigger favor"; female CEOs in technology; why Haddock chose to leak the dispute; and what the CTA could do to make amends. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Michael Connor, the artistic director of the digital art community Rhizome, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the group's museum exhibit, "The Art Happens Here," and the future of art made on the internet. In this episode: How Rhizome was founded and how the museum exhibit came together; the unique challenges of preserving internet art; the earliest works of art in Rhizome's Internet Art Anthology; what does "net art" mean?; what tools do net artists use?; the impact and legacy of the Net Art Anthology; how net art reflects meme culture, emerging technologies and questions about identity; where is art going as new technologies emerge?; and the blurring line between art and non-art. Thanks to Microsoft Azure for sponsoring this episode. Get started with a free account and 12 months of popular free services at Azure.com/trial today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Harvard Business School professor emerita Shoshana Zuboff talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about her new book, The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Human Future at the New Frontier of Power. In this episode: Zuboff's background and why she wrote the book; how the economy got digitized; maximizing shareholder value "scraped the life out of so many of our institutions and our businesses"; how surveillance capitalism was invented; why Zuboff uses the term "surveillance capitalism"; how tech companies are like magicians (and not in a good way); and what the hell do we do about this? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Barry Diller, the chairman of IAC and the Expedia Group, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the state of the tech and media industries, problematic people in power and why Diller is building a new public park in New York. In this episode: What does he do as chairman of those companies?; the future of dating apps; how Diller evaluates the travel industry and Airbnb; how did Diller anticipate how the internet would change media?; why Netflix is beating Amazon and will beat all other competitors; "Hollywood is now irrelevant"; techlash and criticizing Mark Zuckerberg; how Facebook and Google should be regulated; Amazon's power and Jeff Bezos' battle with the National Enquirer; how he has run the Washington Post; Rupert Murdoch and Marc Benioff; Diller is writing a book; President Trump is "thoroughly rotten" and "an accident of history"; Mike Bloomberg, Howard Schultz and billionaire backlash; saving the High Line in New York City; public spaces and civic responsibility; "we're building an island off the Hudson River." Click here to vote for Kara Swisher in the Shorty Awards! You can vote once per day between now and Thursday, February 21. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Nuala O'Connor, the CEO of the Center for Democracy and Technology, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about how the group she leads is lobbying the government and private companies on issues like consumer privacy and free speech. In this episode: O'Connor's background in big companies and the Department of Homeland Security; what the Center for Democracy and Technology does; the "Summer of Snowden"; why antitrust isn't a cure-all; speech and responsibility are the biggest issues facing the internet right now; why O'Connor says tech is engaged in a "holy war"; why she's optimistic about Capitol Hill; the reality of what the internet is vs. what we thought it would be; the big themes for tech reform in 2019; a lot of what we call "fake news" is actually government propaganda; can net neutrality be revived?; and online bullying and tech addiction, Click here to vote for Kara Swisher in the Shorty Awards! You can vote once per day between now and Thursday, February 21. Thanks to Microsoft Azure for sponsoring this episode. Get started with a free account and 12 months of popular free services at Azure.com/trial today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Elevation Partners founding partner Roger McNamee talks with Recode’s Kara Swisher about his new book, Zucked: Waking Up to the Facebook Catastrophe. In this episode: Transitioning from tech optimist to critic; the 1990 crash and rebound; starting Silver Lake Partners; McNamee’s health crisis and struggles with office politics; “then Bono calls up”; meeting and mentoring the 22-year-old CEO of Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg; recruiting Sheryl Sandberg to be COO; the Beacon disaster and clashing with Sandberg; the suspicious early warning signs in 2016; speaking out against Facebook and the cost of becoming an activist; why McNamee wrote Zucked; trying to get around Google’s privacy invasions; the fundamental problems with Google and Facebook’s business model; tech companies that never think about consequences; how the limits on what data can be collected keep changing; and how can regular people help fix these problems? Click here to vote for Kara Swisher in the Shorty Awards! You can vote once per day between now and Thursday, February 21. Thanks to Microsoft Azure for sponsoring this episode. Get started with a free account and 12 months of popular free services at Azure.com/trial today. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Journalist and Pop-Up Magazine co-founder Evan Ratliff talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his new book, The Mastermind: Drugs, Empire, Murder, Betrayal. In this episode: How Pop-Up got started; what happened when Ratliff tried to become anonymous for a month; starting the digital-first magazine The Atavist; how Paul Calder Le Roux went from programmer to prescription drug kingpin; the intersection of the international drug trade and tech; how Le Roux got into harder drugs, Somalian militias and selling missile technology to Iran; how he got caught; how Le Roux "embodied the entrepreneurial spirit" of a startup founder; "there's no viable drug operation that's not gonna be utilizing technology"; where is the (legal and illegal) drug trade going?; drug submarines; can modern drug cartels be stopped?; and why "there is clearly a market for an internet-driven cartel." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

James Citrin, the head of Spencer Stuart CEO Practice, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about placing top executives at companies like Yahoo, PayPal, eBay, Twitter, Cisco, Pandora and Hulu. In this episode: Citrin's background as an analyst, consultant and CD-ROM true believer; how he was recruited to Spencer Stuart and how he recruits executives for his clients; do tech companies need a technical CEO?; the evolving power dynamics of talent in Silicon Valley; the triple threat of capability, credibility and attractability; the rise of internal recruiting and succession planning; why leadership actually matters; what happens inside a company when there's a crisis threatening top leadership?; what about when the CEO is toxic?; what is Facebook's board doing right now?; the importance of not "selling" executive candidates to companies; and lessons for CEOs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Case Foundation CEO Jean Case, who was an early marketing and communications executive at AOL, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about her new book, "Be Fearless: 5 Principles for a Life of Breakthroughs and Purpose." In this episode: Why Case never finished college; working at The Source and GE, and why she left GE for Quantum Computer Services, which became AOL; finding unlikely allies and pivoting the business; The Case Foundation and impact investing; Case's other role, chairing the National Geographic Society; why she wrote Be Fearless; taking risks, failing the right way and breaking out of your bubble; are women making progress against discrimination?; the power of urgency; startups are at a 30-year low; does Case still feel entrepreneurial?; what does she think of AOL now?; "be fearless" does not actually mean having no fear; and expanding opportunity for entrepreneurial people everywhere. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Boston University professor Ellen Shell talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about her new book, The Job: Work and Its Future in a Time of Radical Change. In this episode: Shell's background in science and culture journalism; her earlier books, "The Hungry Gene" and "Cheap"; how writing about 1800s department store sales in "Cheap" led to writing "The Job"; what jobs will be automated and how we should prepare; how this transition compares to the Industrial Revolution; the ripple effects of one job being automated; the recent government shutdown; what does it even mean to be employed in the gig economy?; the "skills gap" myth and the opportunities of growing up rich; what should young people in the workforce do now?; will robots ever take all the jobs? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Divorce attorney Laura Wasser talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about starting It's Over Easy, an online platform to help people who are getting divorced in New York and California. In this episode: Why Wasser launched It's Over Easy; the other services it provides besides legal help; why Wasser isn't afraid of losing her $850/hour clients; how she hopes to expand to more states this year; why some locations may require "doing an Uber"; why the legal world has been slow to embrace the internet; can lawyers and judges be completely replaced?; and advice for anyone getting divorced. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Basecamp CEO Jason Fried talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his most recent book, It Doesn't Have to Be Crazy at Work, which he co-wrote with his business partner David Heinemeier Hansson. In this episode: How Basecamp got started; why chat apps like Slack and Basecamp's own Campfire are bad for productivity; the things that make work crazy, including access to coworkers' calendars, ASAP-response culture and codependent departments; why Basecamp does not set any goals internally other than "be profitable"; how Silicon Valley's "world domination mindset" stresses workers out; which tech exec would win in a fight?; the fakeness of fancy office perks; the problems with serial entrepreneurship, best practices and intentional sleep deprivation; "hacking anything is stupid"; why venture capital destroys more businesses than it helps; and how tech companies are trying to avoid becoming Philip Morris. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Land O’Lakes CEO Beth Ford talks with Recode’s Kara Swisher about running a modern dairy and food company, which is co-owned by thousands of farmers. In this episode: What Land O’Lakes does other than butter; Ford's thoughts on being an openly gay female leader; the changing role of a modern CEO; why farmers are the “ultimate entrepreneurs”; agriculture technology, aka agritech; automation and big data in farming; the future of food; why Land O’Lakes withdrew its support for Congressman Steve King; and the political demands on modern CEOs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Cindy Cohn, the executive director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, and Claire Boyle, the managing editor of McSweeney's Quarterly Concern, talk with Recode's Kara Swisher about a special nonfiction issue the two organizations teamed up to produce, "The End of Trust." In this episode: Why the EFF and McSweeney's decided to work together; have consumers given up on having privacy?; why "Facebook doesn't really have users or customers, they have hostages"; the current copyright battles in Europe; why the ability of AI to play chess says little about the usefulness of AI in general; surveillance that doesn't seem malevolent and the privilege of "I have nothing to hide"; China's "bonkers" social scoring system; the history of the internet and how things got screwed up; how to unscrew it; will Congress make a move on tech when the shutdown ends?; the importance of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this live interview from the 92nd Street Y in New York City, Glossier founder and CEO Emily Weiss talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about running a "beauty company that's also a tech company." In this episode: How Glossier got started; the passionate fans of Glossier and Weiss; its Instagram strategy; its plans to make a social "utility" platform; why it's choosing to not grow as fast as possible; the pressures of being a leader and building a great team; could Amazon outmaneuver Glossier?; advice for entrepreneurs raising their seed rounds; and why you shouldn't make everyone at your company a VP. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

CNN.com editor in chief Meredith Artley talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about overseeing some of the most popular news sites on the internet and how things may change in 2019. In this episode: Artley's background at the New York Times and International Herald Tribune; the "complete chaos" of working at the Los Angeles Times; what actually works in digital news?; How CNN has changed its approach to covering President Trump's tweets; its relationships with social media companies; what it's like working under Trump's "enemy of the people" attacks; the speed of news; and how to earn the public's trust. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

99designs CEO Patrick Llewellyn talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about leading a design startup based in Australia. In this episode: How 99designs helps designers and their clients work together online; how it makes finding work easier for freelance designers; why design will never be completely done by computers; founding a startup in Australia; why 99designs sees itself as a "platform" and not just a marketplace; and where the company goes next. Plus, can places outsides Silicon Valley build entrepreneurial societies? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tony Xu, the CEO and co-founder of DoorDash, and Christopher Payne, the COO, talk with Recode's Kara Swisher about how the delivery company's busy 2018 and why it's starting to think about delivering more than food. In this episode: (01:41) Where DoorDash is now and the delivery business; (05:25) Is Amazon a competitor?; (08:07) Xu and Payne's backgrounds; (11:32) Why DoorDash succeeded where Webvan failed; (15:10) Working with big restaurants and why they don't do it themselves; (21:03) How DoorDash makes money; (25:53) The gig economy and the future of work; (30:48) Where the business could go beyond food delivery; (34:09) Why Xu started DoorDash; (36:08) The current startup environment and the image of tech; (39:31) What does it take to be an entrepreneur now?; (43:05) Raising money from SoftBank's Vision Fund; (44:55) The future of DoorDash and the future of retail stores; (50:51) Trends in shopping and the delivery business Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Molly Barton, the CEO and co-founder of serialized reading app Serial Box, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about trying to make a Netflix-style digital platform for books. In this episode: (01:19) Barton's background and the early days of e-books; (06:45) Looking for digital innovation in publishing; (12:38) Combining e-books with audiobooks; (15:48) Why Barton started Serial Box; (20:13) How it works; (26:42) The business side and fundraising; (29:52) How the traditional publishing industry has reacted and what sort of books perform best; (33:52) Copyright and contract writers; (37:07) How well does a successful Serial Box book do?; (40:01) Where does reading go from here? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Khosla Ventures partner Keith Rabois talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the current startup and venture capital landscape, the Trump administration and more. In this episode: (01:18) Rabois's background; (04:28) Becoming a venture capitalist and how Khosla Ventures invests; (09:37) The startup and venture capital landscape; (15:06) Why startup fundraising was unusually hectic in December; (19:15) Investing in healthcare, aerospace and autonomous driving; (26:56) Artificial intelligence; (29:02) Ethical issues in advertising and at Facebook; (36:40) Political advertising and Russian media manipulation; (40:40) The prospect of regulation; (46:32) Saudi Arabia and the murder of Jamal Khashoggi; (50:04) Contrarianism and book recommendations; (53:45) Being conservative and Rabois' friend Peter Thiel; (58:07) What happens to the Trump administration next?; (1:02:16) Who could run against Trump and win?; (1:04:47) Rabois's real estate company Opendoor Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

WW International CEO Mindy Grossman talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about how her company, formerly known as Weight Watchers, has transitioned into modern "wellness" culture. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Inc. magazine senior writer Christine Lagorio-Chafkin talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about her new book, "We Are the Nerds: The Birth and Tumultuous Life of Reddit, the Internet's Culture Laboratory." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Imgur CEO Alan Schaaf talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about starting the image-sharing site and moderating its content. In this episode: (00:59) Schaaf's background; (03:18) Launching Imgur; (07:56) Imgur's early business plan; (15:34) Where online images are going (and how to pronounce "gif"); (21:37) Famous memes and how entertainment is changing; (30:19) The ugliness of social media; (38:09) Why other social platforms don't moderate their content like Imgur does Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Bret Kinsella, the editor of the voice technology blog Voicebot.ai, talks with Recode’s Rani Molla about the future of virtual assistants like Alexa, Siri and Google Assistant. In this episode: (01:02) Kinsella’s background; (05:07) The history of voice tech; (11:19) How many people have smart speakers and what do they do with them?; (14:51) Music and podcasts on smart speakers; (16:51) Smart homes and voice; (20:51) Voice shopping; (24:40) Why brands are all in on voice; (28:04) Positioning products for voice searches; (31:33) Pay to play in search results; (34:11) Amazon’s microwave; (38:30) Other recently announced voice hardware; (43:18) Is this a privacy nightmare waiting to happen?; (45:48) Where will voice tech be in five years? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Scott Belsky, a venture partner at Benchmark and the chief product officer at Adobe, talks with Recode's Teddy Schleifer about his book, "The Messy Middle: Finding Your Way Through the Hardest and Most Crucial Part of Any Bold Venture." In this episode: (02:32) Why Belsky came to California and started Behance; (07:14) Bootstrapping, taking investment and selling the company; (10:44) Leaving Adobe to join Benchmark; (14:53) Returning to Adobe; (18:36) Belsky's new book; (21:20) The difference between starting a company and keeping it going; (26:05) Belsky's favorite lessons from the book; (30:37) How he became an early investor in Uber; (33:54) Pinterest and other investments; (38:56) What would Belsky change about the startup world? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jonathan Neman, the co-founder of fast food salad chain Sweetgreen, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the company's techie side and the future of restaurants. In this episode: (01:26) How Sweetgreen got started; (04:14) Starting up in Washington, D.C.; (07:28) Why Sweetgreen sees itself as a "food platform"; (10:58) The challenges of food; (18:01) Sweetgreen's competitors and how it sources ingredients; (23:05) Online ordering; (27:21) Delivery and why other restaurants are giving up too much control; (30:12) Customer service vs. logistics; (34:05) "We wanted to make vegetables sexy"; (37:25) Tech companies getting into food; (40:17) Going international and to new cities in the U.S.; (41:29) Challenges and mistakes; (46:08) How Sweetgreen is using the blockchain; (49:07) The future of food and of Sweetgreen Notes from our sponsors:LEGO: In today's show you heard advertising content from The LEGO Store. With LEGO, every gift has a story. Start your story today at https://LEGO.build/Recode-Ship Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Award-winning filmmaker Peter Jackson talks about his new film, a World War I documentary with sound and color called "They Shall Not Grow Old." In this episode: (00:37) Why he made the documentary; (06:21) The technology of WWI filmmaking; (08:33) Jackson's studios in New Zealand; (11:30) Does Jackson consider himself to be a technical person?; (14:39) The colorization of the old footage and addition of audio; (19:22) How the colors of the film were picked; (26:30) Machines, blood and feet; (32:09) The sound design; (37:28) What Jackson wants to achieve with "They Shall Not Grow Old"; (40:01) Where storytelling and filmmaking technology is going Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Vox.com founder and editor-at-large Ezra Klein talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the press, social media and President Trump in this live interview recorded in San Francisco. In this episode: (03:22) Why Ezra moved to DC; (07:22) Klein’s background and the “incestuous” Twitter culture of political journalists; (11:38) Media culture in the Trump era; (13:15) How DC has changed and “docile” journalists; (21:55) Ezra’s thesis about tech, media and Trump; (27:06) Media manipulation and the speed of journalism; (36:47) Ezra and Kara’s podcasts and how they report stories; (43:20) Social media and the decline of scoops; (49:22) Hot takes and the overabundance of political opinions; (58:57) The process of the news vs. the product and the future of local news; (1:05:06) Young journalists “training up” from the statehouse; (1:08:43) Bias in media, false equivalency and letting Trump control the story; (1:12:22) How journalists decide newsworthiness; (1:16:33) The pressure to cover trashy stories; (1:19:21) What is the purpose of political journalists now?; (1:22:39) Why Kara doesn’t care what people think of her; (1:24:12) Donald Trump’s tweets and the future of politics; (1:29:54) Ezra’s favorite journalism business model Notes from our sponsors:LEGO: In today's show you heard advertising content from The LEGO Store. With LEGO, every gift has a story. Start your story today at https://LEGO.build/Recode-Pop Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Framebridge CEO Susan Tynan talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about starting and running the online framing startup. In this episode: (00:56) Tynan's background at the White House and LivingSocial; (03:53) What happened to LivingSocial; (06:53) Why Tynan started Framebridge; (10:19) The fundraising process; (15:27) Running Framebridge; (21:49) The challenges of being a leader; (25:58) Being a startup now in the era of Big Tech; (27:28) Amazon; (31:18) The move towards analog; (34:10) The weirdest things Framebridge has framed; (36:32) Digital frames and Instagram; (39:10) Finding talent outside Silicon Valley; (42:08) How Framebridge uses robots; (43:40) Meet your new neighbors, Amazon; (46:08) Mistakes and triumphs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sam Altman, the president of YCombinator and co-chairman of OpenAI, joins Recode's Kara Swisher for this live interview at Manny's in San Francisco, moderated by Manny Yekutiel. In this episode: (01:45) What did techies think was going to happen?; (06:35) Would the techlash have been the same if Hillary Clinton had won?; (10:31) Did tech develop too quickly?; (18:06) What would change if tech's leaders were more diverse?; (19:47) Why Swisher and Altman considered running for office; (25:38) What does fixing Facebook actually look like? (33:30) Where does the techlash go next?; (37:55) What can we do other than sit and wait?; (42:56) How to respond to accusations of sexual misconduct; (49:17) Race, cities and making tech companies more diverse; (55:38) Who owns your data?; (59:17) What happens when AI gets smarter than humans?; (1:04:12) Outrage and tech addiction; (1:12:39) Should investors expect less revenue from responsible tech companies?; (1:16:56) The crypto “scam” and privacy; (1:19:48) Final takeaways Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

In this live interview recorded in Washington, D.C., Recode's Kara Swisher talks with three NBC and MSNBC journalists — Chuck Todd, Andrea Mitchell and Hallie Jackson — about social media, politics in the Trump era and how the media is changing. In this episode: (04:57) The impact of social media; (09:19) What mistakes did TV media make in 2016?; (15:19) How covering politics has changed in the Trump era; (27:48) What NBC News and MSNBC are doing differently now; (34:13) Covering the 2020 presidential election; (46:10) The responsibility of (social) media companies; (56:06) Who's running in 2020?; (1:05:38) What's good about tech?; (1:09:56) The battle between the White House and Jim Acosta; (1:12:21) Getting back to a set of shared facts; (1:15:40) Would "accelerating" Trump's rhetoric undermine him?; (1:19:15) Is social media good for democracy? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Atlantic national correspondent Franklin Foer talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his book, "World Without Mind: The Existential Threat of Big Tech," which recently came out in paperback. In this episode: (01:37) Foer's background at Slate and the New Republic; (06:12) Chris Hughes and Guy Vidra; (13:59) Resigning from the New Republic; (19:26) How Foer started thinking about tech monopolies; (23:06) Why is the book called "World Without Mind?"; (28:23) Why did it take so long for people to turn on tech?; (35:03) Solutions; (41:33) What happens next?; (50:00) Will Trump do anything to break up tech? Subscribe to Recode Media with Peter Kafka Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | Stitcher | Overcast | Pocket Casts Subscribe to Pivot with Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | Stitcher | Overcast | Pocket Casts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Recode's Kara Swisher talks with her older son, Louie Swisher, and the Silicon Valley editor of the Verge, Casey Newton. Thank you to all of our listeners for 300 episodes. Here's to 300 more! In this episode: (01:27) The mess at Facebook and blaming Sheryl Sandberg; (06:01) Why Louie is cutting back on Snapchat and why Instagram is a “museum”; (08:38) The return of the group chat and the future of Instagram; (16:42) New social networks and Vine 2.0; (21:52) TikTok, teens and Facebook’s Lasso; (25:04) The integrity of memes and Reddit; (28:29) Gab, Donald Trump and becoming desensitized to nastiness; (35:17) Twitter, Snap Maps and privacy; (42:18) What tech hardware do Louie and Casey rely on?; (47:52) “Spider-Man,” “Assassin’s Creed: Odyssey” and “Red Dead Redemption 2”; (51:21) The PS4 Pro and "Wii Sports Resort" (53:15) Kara reads quotes about death; (56:26) Predictions for 2019 in tech Subscribe to Recode Media with Peter Kafka Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | Stitcher | Overcast | Pocket Casts Subscribe to Pivot with Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | Stitcher | Overcast | Pocket Casts Read The Interface by Casey Newton theverge.com/interface Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

University of Maryland professor and cultural psychologist Michele Gelfand talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about her new book, "Rule Makers, Rule Breakers: How Tight and Loose Cultures Wire Our Minds." In this episode: (01:14) How Gelfand became a cultural psychologist; (03:12) Why some countries have more rules than others; (08:35) Are techies rule breakers?; (13:28) What changes as successful companies get bigger?; (18:38) Why didn't anyone think about the psychological impact of the internet?; (23:18) Is there really a "Goldilocks" solution to rule culture?; (28:39) Are we entering an era of rule making?; (32:03) Can people find common ground on the internet?; (34:46) What should tech leaders be thinking about?; (39:53) What they should do now Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Rappler co-founder Maria Ressa talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about doing investigative journalism in the Philippines, where social media has emboldened an autocratic president. In this episode: (01:20) Ressa's background and the People Power Movement; (05:49) How she became a TV journalist on CNN and ABS-CBN; (10:35) Leaving ABS-CBN for the internet; (15:18) Starting Rappler; (25:54) "The Philippines is the cautionary tale for the United States"; (30:55) Bots and Facebook's non-response; (42:36) The lawsuits against Rappler; (48:37) What Ressa wants Facebook to do; (50:42) Why she's going back to the Philippines Notes from our sponsors:LEGO: In today's show you heard advertising content from The LEGO Store. With LEGO, every gift has a story. Start your story today at https://LEGO.build/Recode-Ship Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Jose Antonio Vargas talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his book, "Dear America: Notes of an Undocumented Citizen," and how the shift the cultural conversation about immigration. In this episode: (01:34) Vargas' background and why he became a journalist; (06:54) How he became an undocumented immigrant; (16:38) Class differences and telling the truth; (22:19) Did Vargas have any other options?; (27:09) Legality, politics and power; (32:42) Coming out as undocumented; (38:16) Storytelling and humanizing immigrants; (42:53) How social media factors in; (45:58) How Vargas defines "citizen"; (50:01) What he will do next Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Six of the organizers of the Nov. 1 Google walkouts — Erica Anderson, Claire Stapleton, Meredith Whittaker, Stephanie Parker, Cecelia O'Neil-Hart and Amr Gaber — talk with Recode's Kara Swisher about how the worldwide protests came together and why Google's response has been inadequate. In this episode: (02:20) How the protests started; (07:13) The divide between tech rhetoric and tech reality; (10:24) How the organizers formulated their demands; (14:05) The rights of contractors at Google; (22:04) Why Googlers were ready to walk out; (29:31) Google's response and the organizers' reactions; (42:13) The post-walkout town hall meeting; (46:50) The privileges of being a tech worker; (50:25) What needs to happen next; (1:02:41) Are the walkout organizers hopeful? Fan of the show? It helps to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Salesforce CEO Marc Benioff talks with Recode's Kara Swisher on the latest episode of her MSNBC TV show, "Revolution." Fan of the show? It helps to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Jameel Jaffer, the executive director of Columbia University's Knight First Amendment Institute, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about free speech and censorship on platforms like Facebook and Twitter. Fan of the show? It helps to leave a rating and review on Apple Podcasts. Notes from our sponsors:LEGO: In today's show, you heard advertising content from The LEGO Store. With LEGO, every gift has a story. Start your story today at LEGO.build/Recode Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

If you like Recode Decode, we think you'll also like Start to Sale. Here's the show's first episode: Christina Tosi is a superstar pastry chef, and she's also built one of the most iconic American pastry brands of this generation, Milk Bar. She talked to Erin and Natasha about her Series A round, learning how to be a great manager and staying true to her vision while achieving growth. Listen and subscribe to Start to Sale by Eater on Google Podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher, Overcast, Pocket Casts or RadioPublic. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Stanford lecturer Kathleen Kelly Janus talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about her book, "Social Startup Success: How the Best Nonprofits Launch, Scale Up and Make a Difference." In this episode: (01:17) Janus's background and what social entrepreneurship is; (05:26) What works and what doesn't; (08:36) For-profits and nonprofits; (13:11) What nonprofits have to do to get ahead; (18:40) New forms of fundraising and leadership; (22:35) The power of storytelling; (29:13) Where philanthropy is going; (35:07) Examples of innovative philanthropy; (39:16) Explosions of fundraising online Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Former Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates talks with Recode's Kara Swisher in front of a live audience at the AllRaise Summit in San Francisco. (Note: This interview was recorded before the midterms, on Nov. 1). In this episode: (03:15) What Yates has been doing since she was fired; (05:04) Why she came to the Justice Department in the first place; (09:04) Serving as Deputy Attorney General; (10:33) "The Mike Flynn stuff"; (15:52) The travel ban and being fired; (20:00) Why she stood up to the travel ban; (22:23) How she assesses the Justice Department from the outside; (27:59) Where will the Mueller investigation end?; (31:28) Why Yates isn't running for office; (34:27) #MeToo and women in power; (38:14) What inspires Yates; (41:54) Brett Kavanaugh's confirmation; (44:24) What regular people can do to support the rule of law; (46:38) How to beat Donald Trump in 2020; (49:25) Legal issues in tech Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Former Democratic fundraiser Steve Spinner talks with Recode's Teddy Schleifer about his online fundraising startup, RevUp. In this episode: (01:17) Spinner's background; (04:04) How he got into campaign finance; (08:29) How fundraising worked in the past and how it works now; (18:30) Why Spinner launched RevUp; (21:16) What is RevUp?; (30:20) Its new $7.5 million in funding; (36:38) Spinner's remaining ties to the Democratic party; (39:55) How fundraising has changed over time; (46:32) In the Trump era, does fundraising even matter? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Washington Post economics columnist Steven Pearlstein talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about his new book, "Can American Capitalism Survive?: Why Greed Is Not Good, Opportunity Is Not Equal, and Fairness Won’t Make Us Poor." In this episode: (01:57) Why Pearlstein wrote the book; (7:02) "We're not doing as well as we think we are."; (8:46) Is tech different from the rest of the economy?; (12:26) CEO salaries; (17:11) The "natural monopolies" of tech and how to break up Amazon; (23:07) Income inequality and the myth of "equal opportunity"; (28:27) Universal Basic Income and the middle class; (34:10) Why unions broke and how to reintroduce them; (38:38) Government is not the solution; (42:19) Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, the corporate debt bubble and bitcoin; (46:37) The 2008 bank bailout, the estate tax, and California's tax system; (50:30) Immigration, socialism and the cost of college; (57:46) The environmental impact of economic growth, the rising deficit and Saudi money; (1:03:54) The power of shaming people on social media Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

A.G. Sulzberger, the publisher of the New York Times, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher in front of a live audience at a Columbia University event in New York City. In this episode: (03:05) 10 months in, how is Sulzberger doing?; (06:10) Meeting with Donald Trump and anti-media rhetoric; (12:08) Letting reporters' "voice" into the news; (19:24) Facebook and Google, the new "information monopolies"; (25:06) Can the NYT ever grow to their level?; (30:24) "The New York Times is not for sale." (35:16) The infamous 2016 "needle" and the future of the paper Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about Tesla's turbulent 2018, when SpaceX will send its first rocket to Mars, why he fights with journalists on Twitter and much more. In this episode: (01:49) Using Twitter without a filter; (04:50) Picking fights with the press; (07:59) The “excruciating” year of 2018; (10:54) Why does Musk push himself so hard?; (13:49) The toll on him and Tesla’s employees; (16:52) Self-inflicted wounds and sleep deprivation; (21:44) Tesla’s first profitable quarter in two years; (23:35) Self-driving cars; (25:38) Government regulation; (29:13) Tesla’s competitors; (33:30) Why Tesla is not going private after all; (36:31) The Tesla Semi, pickup truck and other new products; (45:10) SpaceX and dying on Mars; (49:48) Donald Trump’s Space Force and colonizing beyond Earth; (51:49) Going to Mars; (55:06) Jeff Bezos, Blue Origin and Amazon; (57:03) The Boring Company, dad jokes and drilling technology; (1:05:55) Jamal Khashoggi, Saudi investors and techlash; (1:11:05) How is Musk feeling about the future?; (1:15:38) If he got one redo on something from 2018, what would he redo?; (1:16:43) Why Tesla won't make a scooter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

New York Magazine writer Rebecca Traister talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about her new book, "Good and Mad: The Revolutionary Power of Women's Anger." In this episode: (01:37) Traister's background; (07:34) Her goal when she became a feminist journalist; (11:54) The state of women's anger post-2016; (17:26) Why is anger having a moment now?; (20:20) "I had no idea how common this was!"; (26:36) Rosa Parks, Abigail Adams and other angry women; (31:18) Anger, power and violence in the 2010s; (36:19) One year after #MeToo, will people keep going?; (42:14) Women who are angry in defense of the patriarchy; (46:36) "I don't see any of this ending in our lifetimes."; (49:45) What has to change right now?; (54:38) "I have to be hopeful" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Tusk Ventures CEO Bradley Tusk returns to Recode Decode to talk with Recode's Kara Swisher about his new book, "The Fixer: My Adventures Saving Startups from Death by Politics." In this episode: (01:40) How Tusk Ventures works; (06:01) Writing "The Fixer"; (08:12) Have tech people gotten smarter about politics?; (13:40) The most important takeaway from the book; (19:49) Local politics and Bird; (25:05) Lemonde and FanDuel; (29:42) Eaze and recreational marijuana legalization; (32:57) Integrating tech into cities; (39:43) Predictions for the midterms and California's independence; (42:27) Techlash against Facebook and Google; (48:01) Amazon and antitrust; (49:53) Mobile voting on blockchain Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Former U.S. Secretary of State and 2016 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton talks with Recode's Kara Swisher in front of a live audience at the 92nd Street Y in New York City. In this episode: (3:56) The pipe bombs mailed to prominent Democrats; (10:42) The 2018 midterms and not fearing the future; (13:26) What will happen if the Democrats lose again?; (17:28) Russian meddling and “what happened” in 2016; (23:56) The culpability of social media companies; (28:13) What Facebook and the Obama administration knew during the election; (32:49) If the Democrats win, should they impeach Trump?; (35:11) Will Clinton run again in 2020?; (38:36) Elizabeth Warren, Michael Bloomberg, Kamala Harris and Oprah; (43:15) Why people tell women to stop talking; (48:43) Monica Lewinsky and abuses of power; (52:20) The #MeToo movement and Christine Blasey-Ford; (56:55) The murder of Jamal Khashoggi and Donald Trump’s admiration of dictators; (1:02:28) What women want men to know; (1:05:50) Democrats, “political correctness” and civility; (1:09:57) Artificial intelligence and data privacy; (1:13:35) Where do women go from here? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices