Post-Globalization Monarchist Philosophy: With the Aristocratic Utensil

In this episode, we are joined by Spoon, the YouTube personality known for his monarchist leanings. We dive into topics like the relevance of democracy today and possible alternatives. Spoon discusses his journey into politics, influenced by changing cultural and political landscapes, and how he arrived at his unconventional views. We also explore the dynamics between left and right-wing ideologies, the role of church and state, and the challenges of modern governance. This engaging dialogue bridges historical perspectives with contemporary issues, making for a thought-provoking session.

Simone Collins: [00:00:00] Hello everyone. We're so excited today to be joined by a very special guest, spoon, the aristocratic utensil on YouTube as well as on X. Although your handle on X is at Aris.

Malcolm Collins: And what I wanted to talk about today was voting ooh and democracy and is it relevant anymore? And where would, how could you construct better systems? And I thought that you'd be a great person to have on with this, especially talking with us because I know that you had like monarchist leanings, people have called our political beliefs.

Plu Tists. I'm interested to hear more from you.

The Aristocratic Utensil: Hmm.

Oh, basically, how did I get to my views?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, well, did you, were, did you grow up? Why do you think it's better? Why you think it's, you know, a, a good structure, what a perfect country would look like?

The Aristocratic Utensil: Hmm.

Okay. So it's kind of weird how I even got into politics in general because if I, if I were to look at like my 6-year-old self and my 30 5-year-old self and go, you are gonna be on YouTube one day talking about [00:01:00] politics, I would go, okay, what, what the hell happened in my life that made me take an interest in politics, let alone monarchy?

How, how did I get to that? That's just bizarre. I don't how and it was ba it was basically because a friend of mine several years ago this was like back in early 2010s, I wanna say. Hmm. Before Bernie Saunas really hit the scene, but she was also a Bernie fan. The, this, this is show you how long the culture has shifted for, and just a very short amount of time actually is that she was a.

Californian girl who was let's just say she was built in a very feminine way. She's from California, but lefty perspectives, but she control like, an absolute a*****e right? Winger, which by today's standards makes no sense, an extremely lefty person, but they, but they spit right? Rightwing insults.

Yes. Like she would drop slurs in a way that would get you banned on Twitter within 30 seconds which is not a human being that exists today. Standard. And she got me into [00:02:00] Bernie Sa as, as as a political figure. And then right about the time he said a couple of things that made me as a South African go, that's just factually not true.

Hmm. He said,

white people don't know what it's like to be poor. And I went mathematically, that doesn't even add up. That's just, that is not true. And the way he spoke about certain. Racial policies made me go. Okay. Were you,

Malcolm Collins: were you a a like Bernie supporter at this point? Like you liked him as a political candidate?

The Aristocratic Utensil: Yes, I think, okay, so I said this in one of my streams and I think this is what makes you go further left leaning and what makes you right wing.

Mm-hmm. Is that from the, the old liberal perspective, I do think it is based upon a lot of people can look at the system and go, there is a lot of corruption. There is a lot of unnecessary government control in places they shouldn't be. And they sort of just look at the, the current paradigm and go, [00:03:00] this is not a moral system.

And the problem is they look at this situation and go, there should be state intervention. What they're really looking for is morality in the state.

Hmm.

Whereas if you are a right winger, you'll recognize this doesn't work.

Right. And

so you'll, you'll tend to go from more libertarian perspective, which is just these institutions are beyond repair because they incentivize a certain behavior that you cannot generate just through powering through the institutions.

You have to structure them in a way that actually make the. Political class want to benefit the citizenry and the way that they want the system to work just does not gel with human nature.

Hmm.

And when you go from that perspective, you can go, okay, now you have to shift libertarian or go completely insane and advocate from monarchy in the 21st century.

That's more the route that I took, whereas the opposite end of leftism, they are just moed motivated [00:04:00] purely by envy. It's just that I cannot compete in this system, and so I must smash it to b***h in the hopes that whatever comes next will appeal to me. And I've seen the people who go for that, and I don't want to be disrespectful, but there's not a brain cell in those people.

Like really, they are completely driven by this fantasy idea of an idealized bureaucracy. It's kind of weird. They, yeah. This is the way I'm describing these people is whatever I wish to see in a king. They wish to see an entire bureaucracy that abides by their morality.

Simone Collins: That's a great way of putting it.

Yeah, because what, what I feel differently about what you were saying is you were saying that like the sort of the leftist leaning is smash what exists and then rebuild it. Whereas I think that was how it was for a while and then it turned to just have the government fix it. Like fix the, yeah, because they're Taiwan.

Fix the, yeah, fix the market failure. And then this assumption that the entire government can suddenly. Oh, trust

The Aristocratic Utensil: me. Do that on a whim. Yes. I,

Malcolm Collins: I really like [00:05:00] a point you made here and I'd elevate it as I think that this is distinctly part of what makes the new Right. Quite different from the old, right, which is the new right.

Isn't particularly sold around one government ideology. It's more just that they actually want to fix things and they have multiple hypotheses about how that can be done. And there is like active debate and active attempts to implement this. We even see with like Elon and Trump's government right now or JD Vance you know, talking about like economic issues that would typically be outside the normal, right.

Whereas the left just wants to not have to worry about money and that can be achieved through printing money or taking money.

The Aristocratic Utensil: They're basically materialists. I would say the biggest problem that the right has, and this is gonna sound a bit strange, but there is an aspect that the left, this makes no sense if I say it out loud, so I have to explain this, unpack this a bit, is the left understands humanity and the right does not.[00:06:00]

Which I'm aware that Yes. Here's what I mean by that. The the Harry on the Lotus, he has pointed this out as well, 'cause him and I were having a conversation about this is that the way that the, the left operates is they claim the champion egalitarianism and equality equal rights and all this stuff, but the way they behave when power is militantly hierarchical,

Malcolm Collins: yes,

The Aristocratic Utensil: there's control from the top and anything down below, there's no dissent.

It's one man follow, like a general in an, in an army. It's why they make such powerful roads because they actually abide by how humans actually function. The problem with it is the ideas they implement don't work 'cause they don't abide by human nature. What the right doesn't recognize is this is how your opposition plays the game, is they will make you abide by their rules and they just hack the system because they know that as long as you play by those rules, you will lose and they can do whatever the hell they want.

That's something that the right needs to learn is that if you wish to get in [00:07:00] power, is that your opposition just gets power and imposes their will. What you have to do is getting power and force your worldview down their throat. This is the same way they do to You don't this, this thing, this, this is an idea of No, no, no.

Ideas must be challenged and ideas must be debate and like yet that's a nice ideal if everyone is playing the same game.

Yeah.

However, if you're not playing the same game, then it's, I have the biggest stick and I'm gonna beat the crap outta you with it. And people think this is oppressive, but this is how the world works.

Malcolm Collins: Structurally, how do you do that? Like if you were giving advice, I mean, I feel like right now when I look at what the Trump administration is doing this cycle, I'm like, wow, like this is exactly what I've always wanted to see a president do. Like would you be telling them to do something different or do you think they finally like figured it out?

The Aristocratic Utensil: I think if you were to just get, okay. I would think America's biggest problem is separation of church and state is, I don't think, I don't think that is a good idea. I think [00:08:00] any sane civilization. The church and state must be wielded if it's gonna survive

Malcolm Collins: because, oh, here's an area where I would disagree really strongly.

I think combining the church and the state always ends up watering down the church was more progressive or secular ideals, as we've seen happen to the church in the uk.

Simone Collins: Well, but we also have that America, we're moving in in more spoons direction because the domestic policy in America, Haley is part of broader, broader efforts to reshape domestic policy, including the establishment of the White House faith office.

Which was established via executive order on February 7th, and it aims to pretty badass into faith based perspectives.

Malcolm Collins: That is pretty badass. Yes. No, but hold on, hold on, hold on. Because I actually believe this very strongly. I think that in the US and in the uk, some churches have liberalized, but within the uk, like the church that always ends up liberalizing, one of the most is whenever you have, at least to my knowledge, pretty much in every country where you have a church and state integration and that church and state integration is a Christian one rather [00:09:00] than a Muslim one.

The state ends up corrupting the church and making it very progressive. So if we had a state-based version of Christianity in the US, it would be one of the most progressive versions. I was just watching a great video with the dean. It would be

Simone Collins: Univers, Unitarian Universalist. Yeah. Yeah. And he

Malcolm Collins: was the oldest churches in the us are always the most progressive, and the newer churches are always the more conservative.

What are your thought thoughts on that?

The Aristocratic Utensil: I wonder if that's more an American phenomenon.

Hmm.

Ooh. Because I don't, I think that scales depending on the culture around them. The reason I say this is because I actually think it's, it's about the competing sex of Christianity. Because the reason I say this is because I've had conversations with American Protestants and the Protestants back home, and what I find interesting is that South Africa's Christian sect comes from like the French Huguenots that were trying to escape Catholic persecution in France, and you have Germans and you've got Dutch Mix, and there's no other competing sect of [00:10:00] Christianity.

It's just Protestants. Mm-hmm. So there's no like Russian Orthodox or, I mean there is now, I suppose, but there's no, there's no like mixture of competing ideologies. And so there's just the one, and I get the feeling that if it's just like this one that everyone relies on, then okay. Yeah. It is more, I suppose it is easier to change the culture if you happen to permeate the.

The church and change it from the inside, but it is also more protective because everyone knows like, yeah, this is the only entrance you can go. The change is through this one institution, like there's no other entrances. So I'm wondering if the competition of many also makes it easier to spread the ideology in ways, like what you just said is like age is a variation that you just brought up.

I'm not saying this is the case. I'm just wondering if if that might be. Yeah, we, we actually

Malcolm Collins: have talked about this a lot on the show because it's something that we study to try to understand how to like, keep cultures protected. And a really common phenomenon you see across religions is if a religion is connected to the state, like if, or, or even the majority of the population, like if a Catholic majority population in a [00:11:00] country the Catholics in that country will be very, very loosey goosey Catholics.

But if they are a minority, particularly a oppressed minority, then they will be much more conservative and rigid in following their beliefs. And I can understand why that would be the case.

The Aristocratic Utensil: That's probably why. It's because if they're, if they're a minority, they feel threatened. If they feel threatened, they will take whatever is closest as a defensive mechanism and bolster it.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

The Aristocratic Utensil: And once, once something becomes more mainstream, it becomes more watered down. I.

Malcolm Collins: That is a question I had for you based on what you were saying earlier. Is aligning government worker incentives with sort of like, like what is good for the people? I've written extensively on this particular subject because I think it's really interesting.

The way that, like I wrote is probably the best you could do that is to separate the different incentives that you would want for a state and then build voting patterns based on each of those incentives. IE like the amount that you're paying in taxes determines [00:12:00] your vote within one branch of the government.

How many kids you have determines your vote within another branch of the government. I'm wondering how you look to do this within a monarchist system, or was it any sort of a system that, that you would think of? Like how do you align the government bureaucrat's incentive with the people?

The Aristocratic Utensil: I quite like what you just pitched there, like, almost like a scoring based system for your sway in power.

Yeah, that's, that's kind of cool actually. But my, my only problem, so, okay. I can

Malcolm Collins: explain how my government system works. No, no, no. I wanna hear

Simone Collins: his only problem with that comment. Okay.

The Aristocratic Utensil: My, my, my only problem that I have with, with democracy in general, and I was reading a, a short stint by a book by James, I think it was James Brennan the case against, or like Against Democracy.

And one of the other things that, that he points out with is that there is an idea of democracy in a sort of idealistic way, is that if you give people information, they will vote in a certain direction that is more in line with their interests. That makes sense on paper. The problem is you can have the [00:13:00] smartest people in the world, but if everyone you vote for is a corrupt a*****e, the geniuses of your population goes nowhere.

I actually asked this on Twitter. I said, if you could have a smart population or moral politicians, what would you have? Like 90% said moral politicians. Like the intelligence of the population did not matter because they said those who are in the state are the ones who make the policy, and those are the people that matter.

The voice of the people in the grand scheme of things does not matter if everyone that you can vote for is a prick, which is like, oh God. Yeah. Like I, I was, I was listening to some of the people that are like outspoken democrats today. Yeah. And I said to a friend of mine, did you realize the most rational Democrat right now is probably John Fetterman?

Malcolm Collins: Honestly, the best. Yeah. I, I like John Fetterman. He's, he's, he's local to us, and I'm like, if John Fetterman won and then ran in the next election cycle for president, I think he'd be a really hard person to beat.

Simone Collins: Yep.

The Aristocratic Utensil: That's the guy with like a literal brain injury is the most functional one. That it's like an SNL skit.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah. Well, [00:14:00] no, no, no. We've been on SNL skit mode since 2016. This has been great. Yeah.

The Aristocratic Utensil: It's, yeah. It also kinda makes me embarrassed when I just look at human civilization. I sort of look at this and go find what

Simone Collins: we, the interesting timeline. Don't you wanna be in the interesting timeline?

The Aristocratic Utensil: I'd rather be in a functional timeline.

Simone Collins: Lame. I disagree. I'm,

The Aristocratic Utensil: I'm very boring. I'm a guy. This is where I may

Malcolm Collins: disagree the most with you because I love people. I, I was on, I don't know, one, some show on, on, on, I Dunno, Fox or something. And they were like, oh, aren't you tired of being the rebellion? And I was like, no, no. Being the rebellion's the best, this is awesome.

I am fighting a big, bad evil. I have my, my collection of, of Rudy Tootie. Like in fact, in fact, I almost think if we won and we began consolidating power I may feel an instinct to switch sides because I feel like, am I just like a voice of the state now?

The Aristocratic Utensil: Yeah. That, that is a, a, a way to view it. [00:15:00] But I would say.

There's a certain kind of monotonous thing about it is that you're just constantly cheering for your side. And I, I do understand the aspect of it. It is more fun to be the rebel that punches, whereas there's a certain element of, how can I say this? Like aristocratic haughtiness of just like, oh, we're in power now and we get, dictate what we want.

Maha ha ha. And you come across like an evil villain. But then I also look at my opposition and go, when you are in power, this is what you did to me. I'm going to enjoy crushing your soul for the next four years.

I mean, and I'll

be very villainous about it because I have the accent for it. So, haha.

Simone Collins: I, I,

Malcolm Collins: I, yeah, if you got it,

Simone Collins: flaunt,

Malcolm Collins: I worry as well.

I mean, I see this instinct on part of the Right, right. But they haven't been successful in influencing the, the, at least the Trump administration and the position of power right now. And I think that this is enormously good. If you look at where the Trump administration is actually counting its wind right now.

And Trump is even said this in some of his speeches. He focuses only on 90 10 issues. [00:16:00] And I think, yeah, that this is really smart because we don't want to have happened to us. What happened to the wokes in the culture war, which is we let our version of like trans activists that are pushing things that like wouldn't even win was in our own party as our mainstream message and then get the general public to hate us.

And I think Trump has been, while he has been like absolutely brutal on the stuff that every American agrees on, like Doge and USAID and everything like that, and the trans people in sports, he hasn't pushed over the line. And there was actually an issue, Simone, where you wanted him to push over the line and then you were like, oh, I actually appreciate, what was the issue?

I can't remember. You are like, why won't he go over on this? Oh,

Simone Collins: no. Daylight savings. Yeah, sorry. Daylight

Malcolm Collins: savings. Yeah. You wanted him to abolish daylight savings. Yeah. I guess most rationally people do an issue.

Simone Collins: Yeah. He, he points out that this a

The Aristocratic Utensil: surprisingly popular issue to abolish daylight savings. And I don't, is there a particular reason why I'm, I'm, I've just seen a lot of people do it.

I go, why is this like an issue saving? 'cause

Simone Collins: an hour is [00:17:00] stolen from your weekend once every year. It is the worst holiday of the year

Malcolm Collins: weekend. But Simone, you, you, the specific argument you laid out for me is specifically,

Simone Collins: so it has been scientifically shown that on Daylight Savings Day because of the schedule change, 'cause not everyone is on board in that organized there is a spike in hospitalizations and heart attacks and, and I think strokes as well.

Because of the stress associated with the time change. Now, I would argue that simplifying the tax code with the IRS would probably save a lot more lives because I think that causes way more stress than like a, like a time change being, oh, I'm late for work. But it's still. A fairly la

The Aristocratic Utensil: I I had a horrible Don joke now where that went because like, no, tell the joke.

That's our audience

Malcolm Collins: right here.

The Aristocratic Utensil: That's like the difference between the male and female. My, my interaction was, my God, if daylight savings time causes you hot takes, maybe you're supposed to die calls the week. Yes. We can just call it

Simone Collins: gentle purge day. Happy gentle purge day.

Malcolm Collins: Oh

Simone Collins: God. Oh [00:18:00]

The Aristocratic Utensil: God. Well it not that your death coming.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Yeah. We talk about this on this channel a lot as like the prenatal list people, people are like, oh, you must want these selfish dink couples having more kids. And I'm like, no. Like it is great that they're being removed from the gene pool. Nature is healing.

The Aristocratic Utensil: Yeah, I kind of agree with that. I, I tend to have a more, higher genetic variation in the population, primarily because I've seen what bad genes do to people, and I've seen how people with shitty genes behave like this. Something that I like about the right wing is it is becoming much more aggressive with the physionomy checking.

Simone Collins: Oh God,

The Aristocratic Utensil: it's fantastic.

Yeah, it's, it's great because I think, yeah, I think

Simone Collins: aporia just released a, a long essay on like, is physio gonna be real like this? It's become so trend. What on earth is the

The Aristocratic Utensil: obvious answer? Like this? There's certain people I can just look at and go like, you're just evil. I can just tell like my soul is looking like, oh no.

So b****y resting face is

Malcolm Collins: just, you're a b***h face. I.

The Aristocratic Utensil: I can't really say much 'cause I myself look quite evil. [00:19:00] Oh no. Yes. I mean, you're

Malcolm Collins: very clever in, in putting. Yeah, no, it's actually something that we noticed when we were in San Francisco last and we were looking at like old protest marches and stuff like that, and we're like, oh my God, these people actually, we see this.

So there's like

The Aristocratic Utensil: humans in the sixties, they

Malcolm Collins: look

Simone Collins: like mutants. They, they, the one at the, at the protests did not look like humans. And, and yeah, when you normally, when you look at pictures in the sixties, you're like, wow, this is before everyone got overweight. They, they look like the background from like Rocky

Malcolm Collins: Horror

Simone Collins: Picture Show.

They look like that cast. Yeah,

The Aristocratic Utensil: they do.

Simone Collins: It was notable. Yeah. You can see this, if you go to the Harvey Milk terminal at SFO they're big, like wall sized pictures and it's just notable. Yeah, I

The Aristocratic Utensil: have seen some pictures of like, the rainbow hippie matches and like. Okay. God, if you want to flood the world again with these people, I would not be opposed.

Just give me a floating route. It'll be good.

Simone Collins: Alternate theory. It could just be the intense amount of drugs they were all on. No, no,

Malcolm Collins: no. Simone, that's true. Was it a discount bin? [00:20:00] Discount bin Love? No, wait. Where I really saw this loudly was we go to this conference where like the, I dunno if you've heard of like the effective altruist movement, but like our branch of it, the right wing branch of it ends up mixing with the other branch and the right wing branch.

It's a group that I generally call like the bio bros and everything like that. And every single one of them looks like a fraternity guy. Like, that's, I don't know if you've seen like Johnny Anomaly or like, Matt Archer who runs seia or we saw REU in, in person from from X and he looks exactly like a character from like Animal House.

Like, and it's, and and then the other side all actually looks like mutants.

Simone Collins: Well, or as, as, the jelly heretic calls them spite. What? Spiteful mutants.

The Aristocratic Utensil: Ah, yes. I should get an interview with him. Actually, he messaged me a while ago.

Simone Collins: Oh yeah. If you want us to like warm intro you or something, just, just let us know.

The Aristocratic Utensil: Yeah. Because I, I, I, I do find him interesting and I feel like he can draw out like my spiciest behavior and I can probably say some real s**t with him. Yeah. Yeah. But I don't want the topic to discuss with [00:21:00] him.

Malcolm Collins: Come up with anything. He's more spicy than us, I'll tell you that. Like he is,

The Aristocratic Utensil: yes, yes.

I've, I, I've, I've I have some friends who've met him and he is like, he is really, really based, like I can deal with that. I can, I can say I have some horribly spicy opinions that I'm he is the dude, dude that

Malcolm Collins: he's, I wanna say I'm, I'm and he was, was filming a documentary at our house and he actually offered, he's like, I'm gonna cut out some of what you guys said because it was too spicy.

And I was like, what did I say that was so spicy? And then I realized what it was. I went on a rant against the German people and Oh, I'm glad they're going extinct.

The Aristocratic Utensil: Ah, okay. Yeah, I, I would, I would take the opposite position. Probably 'cause I have some German a and I'm like, I do too. I do too. But I mean,

Simone Collins: look at Germany right now.

The Aristocratic Utensil: Yeah, I, I kind of want their, their current elite class and return to the Kaiser because that, that to me was just where it all went really, really wrong. Like even the Kaiser said application was not a good idea. It did not produce what I wanted. And that, that's, that's a whole thing I kind of want tell to people.

Just be very careful [00:22:00] about who you wish to get rid of, because I can guarantee you the person that you wish to prop up is not the cure that you think it is. Yeah.

Yeah. You just see the

currentness is evil and everyone that you like is, is good, and everyone that you hate is bad. And that is very simplistic binary that is not historically speaking accurate by any means at all.

Like take a look at what happened when you knocked off Gaddafi.

Mm-hmm. Or Sadan

Husain. Or literally anyone that America's intervened with in the last, oh, I don't know, about 125 years since the Monroe Doctrine. Yeah. So, yeah, maybe give that a second thought.

Simone Collins: That was actually this really underrated element when, when I studied technology policy, the whole thing was basically about when and how you should intervene when there's a market failure, that the only purpose of the government is to step in and intervene when there's a market failure.

And then there was this one, one day in one class in the entire course where they were like, well, and I guess we should sometimes question whether or not the government is actually capable of. Sufficiently resolving market [00:23:00] failures. Like can they actually fix it or do they make things worse when they intervene?

This

Malcolm Collins: Cambridge, by the way, for people who are wondering where she was studying this,

Simone Collins: and they, they brought this just once and it was, it was never like, oh, well here's a statistical, a, a statistical analysis. Statistical analysis of every time there has been an intervention of this type and whether it has worked or not.

There was, there was no like, okay, well let's try to figure out if it's on average worth it for the government to intervene. It was just, I mean, maybe, maybe it doesn't always work when the government intervenes, so maybe we should be asking that just one

The Aristocratic Utensil: lone moment of dissent.

Simone Collins: Yes. This like, this, like one little, like, maybe that's the question guys.

Maybe we shouldn't be, how do you think

The Aristocratic Utensil: the art,

Simone Collins: why, why, why would intervene? We

The Aristocratic Utensil: actually expanded the bureaucratic states and basically paved the way for the government America's suffering under now that has a load of gunk that needs to get rid of.

Simone Collins: Okay. Here's my thing though about monarchies, right?

There's a lot of monarchies out there right now of varying degrees of actual [00:24:00] monarchies and, and varying degrees of like shadow democracy taking place. Are there any countries or even experimental city states out there where you're like, that's a model that I like that, that it exists today? Or would you need to Or in history?

Malcolm Collins: Or In history?

Simone Collins: Okay. Yeah. First today, then history. See,

The Aristocratic Utensil: this to me is, is always kind of an interesting question to ask because I feel like if you look at historically speaking at, at monarchies, it very much depends on how the people themselves want to be governed rather than the sort of individual kings of the time.

Because you can always look at history and go see. When people look at historically, they sort of look at the modern perspective of. If this person was alive today with my politics, how would I rate their reign? Hmm. It's very difficult to sort of look at history and go, what does a king in this period of time is considered like a noble or good king?

Because you can look at history and go, your [00:25:00] Richard, your lion arts, your, your king Alfred, your Catherine, the Greater Peter, the great of Prussia, and sort of say like, well, they expanded economic opportunities during this time, or your enlightened monarchs, or desperate, you know, and I, it's always, for me, the case of, if I was gonna look at a, a modern day sort of state, the main thing that everyone is concerned with in, in modernity is materialistic gain and really not much else.

Uhhuh.

Simone Collins: Yeah. And to what end.

The Aristocratic Utensil: Yes, there you go. Is is to what end. And I, I've said to people, the biggest problem of, of modernity is not capitalism. It's consumerism. Yeah. That there's no problem with, with private property and, and free markets. That's all fine. The problem is that if you only live to consume, you're just a mammal.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. But how do you, how do you think about this? I mean, so you, to the point you're making is that you would judge the monarch by their ability to increase the material wealth of the [00:26:00] people. How does that affect your thoughts? Or do you think that that's a bad way to judge a, a good monarch?

The Aristocratic Utensil: I, I, I would say like, if, if somebody were to ask me like, what would a monarch do in today's society, I feel like it would be very difficult to answer that question.

When I look at the problems of our society today, like, like for, except the, the separation of church and state is in my head, is, is a better idea than what we have now. Because like you, you can say that. Well, if you look at you, you, you consider it. The acceleration of progressivism. If you were to wed it today based on what you see, which is maybe a good case to make, but then you might also make the case of, well, if we tried in a monarchy in today's society, might it be different because the structure's different.

We don't know the experiment with that. So that's kind of the thing that I would say the main thing that I would like to see a monarch be able to do, or just any state in general, is just you need to find a way to actually flex power and also do it in a [00:27:00] non-Democratic way and just say, yeah, well I'm taking the reins and you can piss off.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

The Aristocratic Utensil: Well

Simone Collins: that's always been such a delicate interplay, right? Because when you look at the most famous monarchs, half of their story. Is them trying to rest control from the nobility, which in turn is trying to undermine them at every turn and maybe subvert and take them over. You're right. They, they, they don't, yeah.

That you can't think of a monarch out of context. They didn't fall out of a coconut tree. They exist in a context in which all in which they live and what came before them.

The Aristocratic Utensil: There's a really great quote I wish I could find another, 'cause a friend of mine posts me this it was from a guy called et Ledine.

Mm. A very long name. Name. He was an Austrian Noble. Yes. He was a, an Austrian nobleman of the, of the early 20th century. I think he was born the late 19 or late 18 hundreds. Incredibly bright individual. I think he could speak something like nine languages

Simone Collins: of Well, classic European nonsense.

The Aristocratic Utensil: Yes. Yes.

Yeah. Classic of Austrian aristocracy. Mm-hmm. I think he could, he actually taught Ja Japanese in Japan, which [00:28:00] to me Yeah. Classic individual. Beautiful. Yes. And he and mentions Mobu. I think he was read him as well because, well, I know we'd read 'em because it was through unqualified reservations that I discovered the name reading.

There you go. Works. Yeah. And he makes a case of in the old world, the function of the king was to unite with the peasantry against the aristocracy.

Simone Collins: Ooh, that's good. Yeah.

The Aristocratic Utensil: But here's, and I know Moog also made the point of the three Aristotelian forms of government is rule of the many rule of the few rule of one.

Mm-hmm.

And typically speaking the two outta three can, or two uniting can knock out the third. So in our timeline, it would be the people uniting behind the monarch to get rid of the aristocracy. Yeah. Which is basically what you have now is because I was watching M-S-N-B-C or CNN, why was I doing that?

But there's, there was a guy on there who basically said that I. The bureaucracy exists to impede the executive. And in my head I went like, [00:29:00] you just gave the game away right there. You just, wow. Literal. You just said the bureaucracy exists to impede the monarch. That's what you just said. Yeah. And at no point do these people ever discuss, I call it the procedure.

And what I notice on television, all I see is them discussing what should the state be allowed to do? Not what is good policy, not is what is good statecraft. I just say, yeah, this person is doing something that is illegal. I'm like, the reason why politics bores the s**t out of me nowadays is 'cause everyone television just discussed this.

Hmm.

And nothing else. It's the reason why everyone is so dull and boring. 'cause they don't know what good statesmanship looks like. 'cause it isn't discussed anywhere. All they discuss is the legalese. But if you want to discuss what's good statecraft, you have to go back to previous century 'cause we don't see it.

In our timeline.

Malcolm Collins: So the, the by the way, when he, when he talked about bu he's talking about Curtis Jarvin, who's been on the show before. Friend. Yeah. Good, great guy. We, we should have him back on. I sent you an email telling you to ask him back on Simone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I, I wanted to ask how you prevent, like, this is my [00:30:00] fear around monarchies and why I've generally been more antagonistic to them is you end up like what you had with the Roman Empire where you can get like truly atrocious monarchs that are purely self-interested.

When you look at like, even I'd say average monarchs of the Imperial period of the Roman Empire, what are your thoughts on how you deal with that?

The Aristocratic Utensil: I don't actually think you can. I think that's just a function of history.

Hmm.

And you just have to weather the storm because like, this is someone, this is the common question that you always get asked is what do you do when the corruption gets too hot?

And in our timeline, I. The corruption is not touched through the democratic process. It just grows indefinitely behind the scenes. You're just changing the management, but you're not changing any of the people that pull the strings. So you make a surface change, but nothing actually changes. And so you get to the point where you just invest a whole lot of money and time into this thing that inevitably steals and grows from me to the point where we [00:31:00] don't know how this ends in our timeline because we're not there yet.

Mm-hmm. And I fear the collapse comes. It's gonna be really, really bloody and gory. And I eventually, the imagine bloodshed will arise at some point in our lifetime. I don't wanna go that way. Interesting. But I, I think that is inevitability. 'cause I don't see the permanent bureaucratic class in our timeline willingly give our power.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, but I don't see them. So I'm like, my take on this is and this is where I push back and stuff like, well, I mean, there could be a rebellion. And I've talked to Simone about this where I'm like, she's like, could there really be a rebellion? And we, and I'm like, well, all you need for a real rebellion to happen in this country is for one party to deny the election results of the other party.

She's said,

Simone Collins: no, no, no, no. I disagree. June's point starving people. Yeah. People have to like literally starving people doesn't

Malcolm Collins: create rebellion. Venezuelas have starving people for a long time and they didn't get a rebellion

Simone Collins: things. It is not on the ground. I think they, no, I think, I think they're fed. They may not have electricity for days.

Malcolm Collins: But they're fact, if [00:32:00] you look at the British Empire, it was the wealthiest part that rebelled first.

The Aristocratic Utensil: Ah, yes. Juche has made that point that the Aris, the aristocracy is always anarchists.

Simone Collins: They are the, they, they do seem to be the most dangerous ones, to be fair. Yes. He said

The Aristocratic Utensil: because the, the anarchists, the, the aristocratic class, they have no interest in good government because they can always leave.

They have money. It's the poorest people that have the most interest in good government because they don't have any other option.

Mm-hmm.

Which is probably why poor people like a strong executive.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. Oh, that's a, a really strong tie together here. Okay. Well here's question interesting I have for you. How do you pull all this together?

So like when you look at like crashing fertility rates and what that's gonna do to like the global economic and tax system, sort of, how do you see, what's your past to chart forward into the future? What's your hypothesis for your family, for example?

The Aristocratic Utensil: Oh, good god. So how would I institute, like basically how would you make traditional values Cool.

Mm-hmm. I would say, do you know what I think is honestly missing [00:33:00] from not just the, the right wing? Okay. I'll use an example. And I'm gonna piss off a whole bunch of people saying this 'cause this is sort of where I deviate and annoy a lot of people is, is take for example, Andrew Tate.

Okay.

Now, Andrew Tate is a contentious figure because of what he's done outside of it.

Now my issue with him is I can listen to him and find him an interesting figure despite what he's done. Because the way that I look at him is can he say something interesting and thought provoking? And the answer is yes.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

The Aristocratic Utensil: Yes. And I can look at somebody and ignore the bad things because I'm only looking for the good things.

Like I can separate the art from the artists and this kind of thing. Mm-hmm. And what I, what I f*****g detest about so many people who claim to be right wing is they look at people like that and they see a face, and all they see is the villainous actions.

Hmm. And

the, the thing that I want to tell these people, do you understand that there's people like me who don't care for the bad things because they're looking at him as a positive role model?

Mm-hmm. When all you see [00:34:00] is the bad. You can't go to somebody else who sees the good and go stop listening to these people because you are looking at the bad and you are trying to impose the bad on them and ignore the good that he is done.

Mm-hmm.

All you see is the face of evil because that's your morality.

And you can't just impose that on somebody and shred the good that he is done because they're looking at going, why are you imposing your evilness on me? I've like, this person did something good for me, and you are chastising him and making me feel like an a*****e for it. That doesn't work. So what you need to do is you need to prop up, Andrew Wilson said this, it's not enough to destroy somebody's worldview.

You have to replace it with something.

Yes, absolutely.

Right wing. The right wing does not have an answer to Andrew Tate's popularity because Andrew Tate is a popular person for the material world.

Mm-hmm.

And you, and if you are trying to impose traditional values, you don't have, you are trying to use a currency that is not currently in circulation.

Simone Collins: But we have to get people off that currency. It's such a toxic currency. Yes. And the right wing

The Aristocratic Utensil: [00:35:00] doesn't know how.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: I,

The Aristocratic Utensil: that is the, that's the biggest problem.

Malcolm Collins: I think you point to something really important here that I've seen really positive moves on, which is the idea of cancellation prevents, like the sort of intellectual diversity you see with someone like Andrew Tate and JD Vance has been the biggest hero on this with big balls saying stuff, you know, racist against Indians, like within a year.

Right. And, and consider, even though JD Vance is married to an Indian and has Indian kids and JD Vance was like, f**k off, like, rehired this guy. Like, why, why did you let him quit? Just because it came out that he was a racist. And I think that, like, I remember that.

The Aristocratic Utensil: Yeah, that was based.

Malcolm Collins: That was so base we need, like, as this continues, and I saw that as like a a, we had one of our fans reach out to us recently and they're like, actually, like I had been, like, had trouble getting jobs in the corporate world for a long time.

And me and my partner applied to jobs and like, we were hired this year and like, we were shocked and like, the, the partner's working at like a university now. And he's like, like [00:36:00] vulnerable young minds are seeing his potentially conservative worldview. And I think that, that we're beginning to see a sea change on this, but we have to be really fastidious around, like personally not allowing like, cancellations to prevent us from you know, having people on and stuff like that.

The Aristocratic Utensil: I'm, I'm not kinda surprised by his, his choice of, of ladies. Because one thing that you kind of joke about, all white supremacists don't ask them the race of their girlfriends. Yeah, yeah. Which is good because, and people have asked me like, why is that a thing? I said, well, it's very simple because if you are the, if you're the colonial empire, you colonize, oh Lord.

Then they're women.

Malcolm Collins: No, hold on. This is a problem for black supremacists as well. Go to the far left, like, look at any far lefty, like racist. The politician, like a OC or something like that. But they

The Aristocratic Utensil: all have white men.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, yeah. Well, usually Jewish white men too.

The Aristocratic Utensil: Yes. But like, that's what the power is and women are attracted to power.

Like, that's just like the, the one thing that annoys the crap about Moderna is there's so many things that is natural that we just [00:37:00] ignore.

Hmm. Like, yes, there's, there's those that will go with the Aryan Princess and reproduce their children and then those are like, your genes are s**t you must make with better genes. That's how they're wired.

People

think that's like a controversial thing to say, but that is how they actually look at the world.

Yeah. Whether

you like it or not, you can say it's memetic. 'cause it's, it is funny. But that is how they see things. '

Malcolm Collins: cause we've, we've, we've created f*****g insane ideas of what a racist is. People will be like, if you recognize that there may be any sort of a difference between populations that have been genetically separated for potentially thousands of years, that makes you a racist.

And therefore, a lot of people who are quote unquote, like Johnny Anomaly, who we really like, you know, he's married to like a South American woman or, or you know, JD Vance is married to an India. These people don't have f*****g problems with different races. Like, that's not the thing they're

The Aristocratic Utensil: reading with them.

That's, that's kind of a good indication than not.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. I love, there was the one thing where, where the, the left got mad at this guy who had like black kids and like called him racist and he's like, what are you [00:38:00] talking about?

The Aristocratic Utensil: Yeah. That's happened

Simone Collins: quite a few times. That is a, a very common,

The Aristocratic Utensil: I will say, I can kill the accusation of racism in like a civilizational state in two paragraphs and just would like two q