Ethnicity Hotness Tier List: Peer Reviewed Studies

In this no-holds-barred episode, we dive deep into racial and ethnic dating preferences using real data from OkCupid (the infamous 2009–2014 race & attraction studies), multiracial dater research, and more. We cover in-group biases, why some groups show little same-race preference, the surprising “boost” for certain mixes (like white-Asian), why black women face the toughest odds in online dating, and how media/culture shapes (or fails to shape) what people find attractive.

We break down hierarchies in desirability, reply rates, gender differences (women tend to be “more racist” in preferences), and why white men often top the charts while certain groups get penalized. Expect spicy takes on everything from passport bros to fetishization, media “go woke go broke,” and even our own subjective rankings (teased for a future paid video).

Episode Transcript:

Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. As people know, we got really scared after having, you know, videos taken down on this channel and potentially having our YouTube throttled. And so I said, I’m not gonna do anything controversial.

Simone Collins: Never

Malcolm Collins: again. Never again, never again. But at the same time, an interesting question occurred to me.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Which was, if you were going to create like a tear list of the attractiveness of different ethnic groups, that was objective, oh

Simone Collins: God,

Malcolm Collins: what would that look like? So I decided to look into this ‘cause I was like, surely somebody has done this before. And what I was really

Simone Collins: according to doesn’t just every.

Racial or ethnic or religious group look good to themselves? Like, don’t the Amish find Amish people the most attractive, even if it’s like literally they’re, they’re from very similar heritage. You know, just when, when people look similar to you, don’t you, don’t you find them more attractive?

Malcolm Collins: Some groups?

That’s true. Not in all groups. Is that true? So [00:01:00] we see that in some studies. Ba basically we’ll go through a number of studies. A number of studies will show that most groups have a preference for their own ethnicity. But in other studies most of the more honest ones. And we’re only gonna cover the OkCupid one briefly, because I assume that all of our audience is familiar with that study.

Simone Collins: Oh, I’ll cover it thoroughly. I, I can’t really remember. I went through it when it first came out, but OkCupid stopped publishing their research findings pretty early on because they were too spicy. It was too

Malcolm Collins: controversial.

Simone Collins: I people got too mad. Justified reality hurts. What

Malcolm Collins: you will see in those, if I’m remembering correctly, is blacks do not have an ingroup racial preference and prefer people of other ethnicities.

Simone Collins: Oh God, I forgot. Yeah, that was

Malcolm Collins: bad. That is not found in pretty much any of the scientific studies except for I think like one or two.

Speaker 2: Oh s**t, here we go. It’s on. Race, war. Race, war, race, war, race war’s on everybody.

It’s going down. It’s going down.

After editing this video, I [00:02:00] was wrong. It has sounded in more of the studies than I remembered, and I should point out here. I do not mean that they had a preference for other racial groups. I mean, they had a preference for the white racial group.

Speaker 2: Token Forfeit. Whites win. Whites win. Race, war, everybody whites.

Malcolm Collins: And I think the reason Yeah.

Simone Collins: But there’s a big problem with publication bias when people

Malcolm Collins: find Yeah. I would not publish it if my results came out that way. I’d be like, wait.

Oh,

Simone Collins: nor would I, yeah. Because we’re not crazy.

Malcolm Collins: African Americans are racist against African Americans more than other people are racist against African Americans.

Simone Collins: Right. Even based OkCupid stopped publishing this stuff, obviously.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. We can’t, we can’t have that be widely known. Right. So we’ll get into that.

And then what I’m gonna do with you Simone is because I really, you know, don’t wanna do anything offensive, don’t wanna do anything that can get clipped but. You know, at the same time I couldn’t find a good ranking between like Asian groups and between European groups and between

Simone Collins: Oh, like Vietnamese to Chinese to Singaporean, to,

Malcolm Collins: yeah.

I wanna, I wanna get [00:03:00] that up. So you and I are,

Simone Collins: oh yeah. I would be really curious, like, do Japanese people think that South Korean people are really beautiful?

Malcolm Collins: No. No. So I wasn’t able to do that, but we will judge it. So we’ll go through faces of different asset groups and rate how relative,

Simone Collins: you know what, because

Malcolm Collins: you relatively attractive they are to each other.

Look at, look at the life. Leave her eyes. Look at the Malcolm. What are you doing?

You don’t like that. You don’t, you don’t love that. I’m gonna be

Simone Collins: okay, let’s go.

Malcolm Collins: Right? All right. Overall hierarchy in dating and desirability. I said, so this is an article Taboo or tabular Rasa Cross Racial Cultural Dating Preferences amongst Chinese, Japanese, and Korean international students at American universities.

Simone Collins: Oh, oh, that’s an interesting way to do it.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. So, there was a clear racial hierarchy that [00:04:00] emerged in the student’s preferences for potential dating partners. Okay. And then of course, it argues, I do not know if I would argue this. Okay. That. That racial hierarchy is there because of influence from US media portrayals, cultural capital stereotypes and parental family experiences.

You

Simone Collins: probably would say that, ‘cause it would be the only way for you to be like, I didn’t sit, I just think, I don’t, I don’t even think they’re racist. I just think the media is racist to systemic something. Something. Yeah. I think that’s,

Malcolm Collins: yeah.

Simone Collins: Understandable. Logical. Okay. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Well, yeah, they don’t wanna say, well, my students are racist.

Right?

Simone Collins: Yeah, yeah. No, they’re a product of corrupt and bankrupt system. But also, I mean, I think it’s, it’s, it is important to note that capitalism kind of speaks for itself. You know, that, that to a great extent. We, we talked about this briefly with DEI, ification of media that you’ll get this go woke, go broke thing when you stop.

Yeah. Casting super hot. Protagonists [00:05:00] or you start making video game characters like less sexy. The video games don’t do so well that there actually are forms of like, we’ll say male, male, gay romance that do really well. But it’s only when it’s actually more fetishized. Like when women are like, oh, look at them kiss.

Yeah, you,

Malcolm Collins: you put gays in

Simone Collins: stuff

Malcolm Collins: and you make it gay. Nobody watches it. You make

Simone Collins: it. Yeah. But if you have like hot women kissing, like, okay, everyone’s okay with it again,

Malcolm Collins: right? No, no. Yeah. It’s like, it’s like, you, you, and this is the, the funny thing is gays had such an easy marketing thing here. If you wanted to put hot lesbians and stuff, that would’ve been fine.

Simone Collins: Yeah. You

Malcolm Collins: could’ve gotten your agenda and not scared away.

Simone Collins: Your normal audience. There’s such an easy hack. But my larger point here is that I, I wouldn’t even say that media can effectively manipulate people because in the end. People vote with their feet or their, I guess their eyes when it comes to media.

If they don’t like something, they’re not going to [00:06:00] watch it. It’s not going to become influential media. So if you see a certain typecast in media that’s just showing up again and again, and it’s this type of person that’s, because that’s what audiences find broadly attractive. So I don’t think

Malcolm Collins: until, until the wokes get their hands on it because,

Simone Collins: well, yes, as we

Malcolm Collins: pointed out,

Simone Collins: but then it doesn’t perform well, it doesn’t, it doesn’t perform economically well.

We can’t look Track

Malcolm Collins: Academy. Right. So they’re like they could have put hot young lesbians in it. Instead they put fat old lesbians in it.

Simone Collins: Oh, dude.

Malcolm Collins: And that was not what anybody wanted to see. Not even

Simone Collins: the lesbians perhaps. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: To get an idea of, of of, of how much. It’s like they, they literally had a way to sell their agenda.

That, that the audience liked. And they’re like, no. Part of the point is that we make the audience upset. Part of the point is taking away the thing that the audience liked. Mm-hmm. We, we actively want the audience to have a, a bad time watching this. Mm-hmm. And, and that is what art is. That [00:07:00] is what artsy is.

And so then you get Gay Cowboys eating pudding or Star Trek Academy, right. Where literally it’s free on YouTube and it has like after four days of being up it was at like 139,000 views the last time I checked, which means it gets less fu in four days than our channel does on average.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Wait, gay cowboys eating pudding.

That sounds adorable. What is this?

Speaker 2: independent films of those black and white hippie movies, they’re always about gay cowboys eating pudding.

Speaker 3: No, they’re not. Independent films are produced outside the Hollywood system. All the glitz, glamor.

Speaker 2: Yeah, you show me one independent family that isn’t about gay cowboys eating pudding.

Malcolm Collins: Gay Cowboys Eating Pudding is a joke from South Park about what your average like student film is like.

Simone Collins: Oh.

Malcolm Collins: Where it’s like,

Simone Collins: but I think Brokeback Mountain, speaking of gay cowboys did really well, but I think it was, wasn’t it two hot men? Heath Ledger was in it.

He’s hot.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, they, they, they, they played it up for women. That’s who that was for gay cowboys eating, that’s the thing.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know.

Speaker: The first film showing is called Witness to [00:08:00] Denial and is a sexual exploration piece about two women in love. Oh, my Uncle Jimbo has a ton of those movies in his dresser drawer.

Malcolm Collins: You know, the point of gay cowboys eating pudding as a concept is often art like that wants gayness, right? It wants something traditional, but then it also wants to be painful to watch.

That’s part of the artistic experience.

Simone Collins: Yeah. But that, that, again, is not the media that is going to influence people’s dating choices. But my, my larger choice is, no, it doesn’t work that way. People, influential media becomes influential only because it’s reflection of people’s desires.

Malcolm Collins: Right. Like that’s why the Pathways game Amelia became influential because she was our desires for her wife.

Hey, when I met you, you did not dress di that differently from Amelia. Mm-hmm. You had a long hair. You wore like Oh,

Simone Collins: very manic girlish. Yeah. No, there, there’s definitely a world in which the artsy goth girl becomes a conservative person.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. I think that that’s what people are now accepting is that [00:09:00] the young version, and I know this from our fan base mm-hmm.

Our female fan base was mostly feeder kids and artsy goth kids, right? Mm-hmm. They were not preppy girls. Preppy girls became progressives. Yeah.

Simone Collins: Right? Yeah. Yeah. Because they’re conformist. I, I, I will, I’ll note another thing. ‘cause people might be like, no, absolutely. People’s aesthetic preferences and body preferences change with trends.

They’ll point to the shift from the BL look of a very voluptuous woman with a large.

Malcolm Collins: Never happened. Complete historical

Simone Collins: myth. It did, it, it did somewhat though I’m, I’m gonna argue it did. And, and going to the heroin chic look of now, however, this has to do more with an ancillary form of of what we were talking about this in another episode we did on peacocking of, of, of signaling.

And the reason why we went from BBLs to the heroin cheek look is that these things became the most expensive thing to do over time. So what wealthy people did when BBLs were popular was they could [00:10:00] afford to get. A very, very expensive, like the bbl, LA Brazilian butt lift is a surgery in which they’re taking fat from, say your thighs and inserting it into your butt.

You have to be out of work for a long time. You can only lie in your stomach. Like it’s really, it’s kind of like the, like lengthening surgery for women that has a little bit of a fast rate. I

Malcolm Collins: argue that, oh, you’re talking about the butt lift thing. Okay. So I’m gonna point out that the butt lift thing was actually a completely different phenomenon than what you believe it is.

The, the butt lift thing.

Those make women look more like co-sign. And that is a unique gender dimorphic display. Yeah, the co if people wanna watch our episode on the co-sign, they’re one of the ethnic groups in Africa. The episode that we watch when it goes over, and if you didn’t know this, this episode’s gonna blow your mind.

They genetically speaking, not in terms of when we split off from them, but in terms of SMPs

are more distinct from European populations today than Neanderthals are. And they have different sex displays than other [00:11:00] groups. Yeah,

Simone Collins: but also large. Large glutes, gluteus max, like a large, large buttocks.

Malcolm Collins: They also have like large long labia, for example, like their genitals just

Simone Collins: looked Yeah. I’s trying to do that. What I, what I’m saying is it’s a very gender dimorphic female trait of like having No,

Malcolm Collins: no, no, no. The point I’m making here is that the women who were doing this, mm-hmm. If you look broadly, almost all of them had a black audience.

That is who they were doing it for. That was the fan base they were doing it for. It was for people who were optimizing for a different ethnic look. This is something that you see,

Simone Collins: Well, but now why would the Kardashian family, for example, shift than its family? Who is their

Malcolm Collins: audience?

Simone Collins: Yeah. What are you saying?

Their audience just shifted to white people then because they, they got rid of their big buts. They got rid of all that number one. I, I think they, i it was the rise of o Ozempic that changed this. It is When Thin became cool because thin became a financial flex.

Malcolm Collins: I, I disagree. I think that they are waffling between appealing to their audience and status, and as they [00:12:00] secured more st like, like audience, they no longer need to appeal to it as much.

If you wanna know, I’m not gonna go that far into the, people have never found fat people attractive. Mm-hmm. But if you look at, there have been a number of studies on intercultural. Aesthetic ranking mm-hmm. That I actually went into when I was going over this data. And while people have different preferences for ethnicities mm-hmm.

If your ranking within an ethnicity people across ethnic groups generally do that about equally. So if you have an African ranking English people in a, like a list of 10, they will rank them the same way an English person would. And if you get an English person, you go to Africa and do that.

The only instances historically that we have where genuinely obese people were preferred over non-obese people were when that was a sign explicitly of wealth. And it went away as a preference when wealth was no [00:13:00] longer correlated with being obese in those cultures. So basically, when those societies industrialized that beauty standards disappeared in every single instance, we’re aware of it.

So, no, it never happened. And then you’ll people point to history. They’re like, well, in history you have KO or whatever his name was one painter who painted obese women and had an obese wife, Rubens Rubens. It’s like, no, he was just a chubby chaser. Nobody else during that period was painting like that.

This guy was a fetish artist. And like, people got into his fetish art, right? Like that happens today, right? Like you could point to furry art today and being like, this proves that all men want a cat wife. And it’s like, no, this is just a popular form of

Simone Collins: furry art. All men want. Want a cat girl? Don’t, don’t even my, okay, let’s get back to these Asian college students.

I wanna know. Oh, so lemme lemme guess. South Korean first.

No,

Malcolm Collins: no, we’re not getting to that because that hasn’t been studied in any study. We need to

Simone Collins: go there. Oh, they didn’t, I thought they were looking at what, like

Malcolm Collins: a Asian college students. They

Simone Collins: were, they split

Malcolm Collins: into [00:14:00] white Americans, Asian Americans, African Americans, Latino, east Asians.

Simone Collins: Oh, okay.

Malcolm Collins: So what they showed was white Americans were the most desirable, Asian Americans were the second most desirable.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And, and only slightly below white Americans.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Then African Americans, Latinos, and Southeast Asians were the least desirable. Just

Simone Collins: all, even grouped together.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, they were just all, like, nobody wanted to date them outside of their ethnic groups.

However, there was a preference within a group, so it’s 35 out of the 47 students, or 74.5% initially express expressed a preference for dating someone of their own cultural background. Okay. That makes sense. Chinese, Japanese, Korean, et cetera. Yeah. So this is actually a really interesting point here.

Mm-hmm. People will say, you as a white person are racist if you say you have a preference for dating or having sex with, or having in your arousing content, spank bank, white people. Right. But it’s not [00:15:00] even,

Simone Collins: it’s, it’s culturally matched white people

Malcolm Collins: and yet we know that cross-culturally, this is just a true thing.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Well, and again, the note that the, the research said culturally matched and note that anecdotally. When I was on OkCupid, I keyword stuffed my profile with internet memes. My photo was of me in stor in film grade storm trooper armor. Like I was trying to find someone who wasn’t a sports fan, who wasn’t a, a FinTech bro.

It, it was for literally like a, a startup nerd.

Malcolm Collins: Well, so they say culturally matched and then they listed a bunch of ethnicities.

Simone Collins: Well, right, but that’s Chinese,

Malcolm Collins: Japanese, Korean, or ethnicities.

Simone Collins: Yeah. But culture and ethnicity often go hand in hand.

Malcolm Collins: Okay.

Simone Collins: Okay. I’ll buy that.

Malcolm Collins: Continue.

Simone Collins: Yeah. So I think what you’re trying to do is find someone.

With whom there’s less social friction and with whom you don’t have to negotiate a new social contract with everything.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: What It’s very stressful to [00:16:00] date someone who doesn’t share the same tacit understandings of this means that, and that means that. And because you’re just gonna have such a, and people make it work all the time.

We, we are at record levels of people who are having cross-cultural, cross religious, cross ethnic or racial relationships. It is totally doable, but it is more stressful. And the research is pretty robust on that.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And here I’ll note that like, the, the, the in group preference, it pretty much, I think anyone has.

With arousal. It is so effing weird that we have normalized one ethnicity isn’t allowed to say that.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: If a black person says, I prefer dating and having sex or getting off to black people, nobody batts an eye. Mm-hmm. If a Hispanic person says that nobody bats an eye if the Southern European person says that nobody bats an eye, but if a white person says that, all of a sudden everybody freaks out.

Simone Collins: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: I’m sorry, I I have to point that out because I think that a lot of people forget, there’s been this weird mixa ru card game done where [00:17:00] everybody is like weird about like Latin Americans, but they’re like, totally okay with Southern Europeans as an ethnic group. And I’m like,

Simone Collins: they’re the same ethnic group.

Malcolm Collins: It’s literally the same people. These are the descendants of Spaniards and Italians. Like, what are you, what, how, why are they exactly like every other American, but. Latin Americans aren’t. If, if we’re going to divide them, we might as well be honest in how we’re doing the division. But then uhoh, people start noticing patterns and you have to start dividing Catholics and Protestants again, which is a problem.

And so then people ignore that. That’s, that’s the main reason that we pretend that they’re not too ethnic groups. Mm-hmm. And, and they look very different actually, when we get to the pictures of attractiveness you, you see them as being quite different in terms of the average ‘cause we’re gonna go to facial averages.

And I, and I’ll also note here, one thing that I find interesting about myself, and I don’t know, we can get this from the audience as well, but there’s some ethnicities that I find almost [00:18:00] as attractive as white people. When, when I can tell they’re an average ranked attractiveness, same. And there’s other ethnicities where it’s clear to me that I’m applying some sort of negative modifier to would I sleep with them?

Simone Collins: Interesting.

Malcolm Collins: Which also would be,

Simone Collins: have always said on multiple episodes, Japanese plus Irish,

the

Holy

Malcolm Collins: Grail. Yeah, that’s, that’s, yeah. A lot of the white mixes come out really hot. I, I think also I’ll just drop my cards here. I think Indians specifically North Indians can be really hot. Gorgeous.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Interestingly, I think that there’s this myth of the Hot Asian, but like in practice like, like actual Asians I have in, in my life, never actually,

Simone Collins: well we both admitted to ourselves when walking down the streets and sold that we were just bringing down the average attractiveness of the entire 100 foot.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. It might be that it’s not culturally or it’s never been culturally worse. Me dating an

Simone Collins: Asian, they’re attractive. You just don’t wanna bang them. Maybe. I don’t know. I, and I, I can’t [00:19:00] really understand ‘cause I, I don’t, I’ve never seen someone in, in like them, like I wanna. I just don’t function that way.

So, well, you’re

Malcolm Collins: gonna need to, because we’re gonna do some ratings here, Simone, so you’re gonna need to let me know of

Simone Collins: based on bankability or based on just how pretty they are. ‘cause that’s a different thing.

Malcolm Collins: Base base. Let’s, let’s do both. Let’s do both here. Okay? Mm-hmm. Okay. So a 2020 study found that a racial hierarchy emerges from multiracial daters consistent with past research.

Oh. All groups responded to their own in-group, most except for Hispanic white women. So this was looking at mixed groups who preferred white men. So, in the only group where you had one group preferring another ethnic group, it was Hispanic slash white who preferred white. And, and, and keep in mind we’re saying Hispanic, we’re basically saying Southern European, but for some reason we’ve divided them into a separate ethnic group.

Mm-hmm. They, they don’t have that much Native American DNA. They have I think even in like high circumstances, like [00:20:00] 20%. Hmm. Which is not enough for me to think of them as, as separate from just. Spaniards.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: And, and they don’t look different than Spaniards. Like, have you been to Spain or Italy?

Like, they look like Argentinians or Mexicans. Like, what, what? Mm-hmm. What, what are we going on about here? Alright, so next study here, tipping the multiracial color line.. Racialized preferences of multiracial online daters. Oh, and that was the study we were just reading there.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Another interesting thing here is, oh, they, they have charts on this one, so I’ll put the charts on the screen here.

Yeah. So we can see white women responding what they think of different ethnic groups, and we can see white men responding what they think of various ethnic groups.

Mm. And what you see here is that white women if you’re looking at Asian white, those appear at the same rate or hotter than white men. The error bars push them higher because it’s it’s, it is whiter. There’s, there’s more variance and preference there. Mm-hmm. Black, white is, is, is [00:21:00] significantly lower.

They, they like that lower Hispanic white is pretty high, almost as much as white men. Or, or should say Southern European, white. And then if you look at, or should I say Catholic, white? Really piss people off. People point out the Irish or Catholic. I know there’s one northern European Catholic group.

Good for them. Then you have let’s do that. That’ll piss people off more. So it’s more fun. Look at her eyes rolling into her head here. My God. So what, but what’s interesting is that white women, the ones who will freak out at you for saying you have a racial preference

Simone Collins: mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: They have way stronger racial preferences against dating or finding attractive Hispanics, blacks or Asians than white men.

Simone Collins: Yeah. But typically the pe I mean, there’s this whole thing where if someone’s uniquely homophobic, they might have a little bit of a same sex attractive. Right? Like people tend to get really defensive around things that they find offensive. [00:22:00] People only find things offensive when they credibly. Threaten their worldviews.

Yeah.

And you’re only only gonna feel credibly threatened around racism if you actually have racist feelings. So I totally understand that. If you’re like, wow, I like really?

Malcolm Collins: So this is really interesting. So white women mm-hmm. Have really do not like, like straight Asian, black or Hispanic in this chart.

White men, they like Hispanics or Catholics, let’s put it this way, just as much as they like white people. Asian, white.

Simone Collins: But do you see this with passport bros. Yeah, you don’t hear about passport. What, what we call them passport chicks. Passport,

Malcolm Collins: yeah. Yeah. And, and remember how we both said that Asian white is a uniquely hot mix?

Mm-hmm. White men on average agree to this. White men prefer half Asian, half white women over white women.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And they also prefer Catholic white women over white women but only slightly. And, and black, white, they barely care. But what’s interesting is they’re just [00:23:00] not that racist in their preferences.

What, what’s interesting is they prefer the, the Southern European group about the same as they prefer the white group. Mm-hmm. Whereas women have an aversion to them that’s both strong and almost as big as their aversion to dating black people. But the Asian

Simone Collins: could this also be due to cultural differences?

Because maybe on average they think that those groups are more traditional in the sense that they’re going to expect more from them. Like the only people who are gonna to, okay, so like put this in the words of many people who are in the comment sections of our podcast, the only people who are gonna tolerate the feminist b******t of white women are white men.

Does that make sense?

So maybe they prefer to date white men as a result because those, they just tend to like bend over and take it more.

Malcolm Collins: No, I think what we’re seeing here is men will screw anything that they can get pregnant unless there’s like some externality. Mm-hmm. And so, you’re seeing less because I think that many men here are thinking about like, sex and not dating.

And these charts, they’re talking about how arousing is a [00:24:00] face.

Simone Collins: Yeah. So they’re just like, yeah, I’ll, I’ll

Malcolm Collins: screw anything. I mean, come

Simone Collins: on, put

Malcolm Collins: it in front of me. But

Simone Collins: as we’ve seen from those famous and amazing studies where there’s just a random person on a college campus who’s like, Hey, wanna go, like, wanna go right now?

And they’re like, yeah, let’s do it.

Malcolm Collins: Huge portion of men are like, yeah, sure. Why not?

Simone Collins: Yeah. No questions asked.

Malcolm Collins: And to be the person who got paid to do that, oh my God.

Simone Collins: I would just, I couldn’t do it because I would feel so bad to be like, psych,

Malcolm Collins: psych.

Simone Collins: That’s not nice. Don’t do that psych

Malcolm Collins: buddy. So, so, so anyway, so mean, it’s really mean.

The, the other interesting thing here is the one ethnicity that white men do have a, a stated anti preference for mm-hmm. Is straight black women. And it’s, it’s not as big as white women’s, but it is still pretty big. And I would say, like, if I search myself, God, I don’t want this clip, but like I, I know that it, I have less of a [00:25:00] preference for black women than women of many other ethnic groups.

This, this doesn’t mean that there are not, I’ve, like, I’ve slept with actually the only now if, if we’re counting his, like Catholics, I’ve slept with lots of Catholics, so we’re not counting them. But if we, if we’re talking about like what normal people would think of as non-white ethnic groups out of everyone I’ve slept with and people know, I’ve slept with a lot of people, I’ve only slept with one person who wasn’t white coded and that was a black person.

So I, I, I clearly, in terms of like where I’m putting my effort, I had a preference. Right. And that preference seems to match with this, you know, the, the, did I ever sleep with somebody who is Hispanic? I don’t think I did.

Simone Collins: I think sometimes

Malcolm Collins: a of Irish from Good tell a lot of, and Italians but never Hispanic.

Mm-hmm. Lots of Irish. So, anyway,

Simone Collins: that, yeah.

Malcolm Collins: To keep going here. And then if we look at the different groups, so I’m not gonna go through them all. We’re not gonna go as deep well them, but if we’re, if we’re looking at [00:26:00] Asian women mm-hmm. It is Asian, white is the highest preference, then white, then Asian.

That sucks to be Asian with that. Okay. Holy, holy. For Asian men it’s Asian, white. Then Asian, then white.

Simone Collins: Oh.

Demographically again, you know, like whenever there’s some kind of demographic collapse issue that comes up, I’m just like, there’s a

Malcolm Collins: lot of, there’s a lot of people in the prenatal list movement who are Asian white couples.

They’re

Simone Collins: gonna be I know, but that’s the thing. Yeah. I mean, they’re, they’re single handedly keeping going, going, but also, I mean. Not necessarily, ‘cause they’re mixing in their own history and culture with their kids as well. So their kids are not necessarily, I dunno, many

Malcolm Collins: Asians that wanna keep their culture, if I’m gonna be honest here, a lot of Asians.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I mean that’s one of the big arguments that’s made up when, or presented when, for example, south Koreans are asked why they’re not having kids. Why would I bring another kid to experience what I experienced growing up, the tests, the anxiety, the, the grind. Yeah. I, [00:27:00] it’s, it’s understandable. Well,

Malcolm Collins: no, even when they come to the US they often don’t, like, I, I mean, I, I point out, I think that’s why South Asians, IE Indians are less affected by the urban monoculture than East Asians because they have more of an affinity for their own culture.

Mm-hmm. There’s like things about being Indian that are sold to them as kids that are fun and cool and better than the urban monoculture. Whereas all of the additional stuff of East Asian culture, the Confucianism could just feel like extra rules and obedience and needing to care about old people.

Simone Collins: Yeah. It’s really, what’s so interesting is I had I had friends. In school, good friends who were Chinese, Vietnamese, and South Korean. And it, the, the only one who had an amazing family life who would definitely carry on her culture was Vietnamese. And the others just had home lives that were pretty cold that I, they, I think they really didn’t wanna pass on.

And, and they also don’t,

Malcolm Collins: well, no. Okay. So here’s a great example of this. If you’re looking at East [00:28:00] Asians, who I’ve seen that do want to pass on their culture mm-hmm. And do like, one that I consistently fear Filipinos. But

Simone Collins: yeah, Filipino. Oh yeah. They had amazing family. Yeah. No, I had some Filipino friends too.

Yeah. They had awesome families. They would like, they were fun.

Malcolm Collins: They tell, yeah. They’d be like, I wanna do, and the reason why, yeah. The Filipinos wanna do Filipino stuff with Filipino kids, like even if they date or marry interracial. Mm-hmm. They tell their spart partner. Hey, I wanna do like the types of barbecues that I did when I was a kid and the types of unique traditions I did when I was a kid, because those were fun.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: But I think that a lot of, now the way that you solve this with East Asian traditions, like, Chinese and Japanese and stuff like that, and I’ve seen it. Mm-hmm. Taiwanese, I’ve seen this done well. Mm-hmm. Is if you’re in like the Bay Area where I hung out with some of my friends who did wanna carry on their culture mm-hmm.

They would go to schools that were like specifically for the descendants of that ethnic group.

Simone Collins: Oh,

Malcolm Collins: Chinese

Simone Collins: schools. Yeah. I had a bunch of friends who went to Chinese schools and

Malcolm Collins: they were like white, more cool, excited [00:29:00] about Chinese culture,

Simone Collins: the ones I knew who went to Chinese school, although they were much more entrenched in their communities.

So there was that. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Let’s go to the next one here. Hispanic women. Hispanic women. Okay. Prefer Hispanic white men the most.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Thin, white. Mm-hmm. Then Hispanic. So we’re getting a lot of

Speaker 2: Oh s**t, here we go. It’s on. Race, war. Race, war, race, war, race war’s on everybody.

It’s going down. It’s going down.

Token Forfeit. Whites win. Whites win. Race, war, everybody whites.

Simone Collins: .

Yeah. I mean, we are so No, no, no. We’re not

Malcolm Collins: gonna say anything nice about, it’s about to, it’s about to get worse, Simone.

Simone Collins: Don’t tell me that.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. So let’s look at Hispanic men. So, Hispanic men prefer Hispanic women Most

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Than white women than Hispanic, white. [00:30:00]

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: Which is an interesting one. No, no. This is where it gets spicy.

Simone Collins: Wait, what, what is the difference between Hispanic and Hispanic White?

Malcolm Collins: These are people who are half Hispanic and half white.

We’re looking at interracial. Oh,

Simone Collins: oh,

Malcolm Collins: sorry.

Simone Collins: Sorry. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: And why interracial is interesting is we see a giant boost to being half white. If you’re half white, you typically outcompete that group’s own ethnicity. Even e even, even when and, and you even see this for e even when. White is not the preference over that group.

Simone Collins: Hey, remember, remember though? Remember when I, when I had that, that I did that episode on cousin marriage and interracial marriage, and my takeaway was like, okay, either you should marry your third or fourth cousin, or you should marry someone of a different race with some little considerations and caveats based on what sex you are.

Like if you’re a white dude, be careful about marrying an Asian or [00:31:00] African woman. Just ‘cause their gestation windows are a little different. Or just be, be proper to maybe have a slightly premature born kid. That’s it though. Like, that’s it. That’s fine. So yeah, I, there their

Malcolm Collins: gestational windows are, are slightly shorter and the

Simone Collins: baby

Malcolm Collins: doesn’t know that.

And there’s been some, like the genes of the baby don’t know that. Mm-hmm. And so it expects a longer gestational period and so it’s like having a preemie with a normal,

Simone Collins: so it’s Ted. Yeah. So you just make sure you have good health insurance.

Malcolm Collins: No, but there’s a really, the nicu, very expensive Good study on this that basically proves it beyond any shadow of a doubt from my perspective that showed that if you look at the children born to interracial couples mm-hmm.

Where one of them is of Esic group that has a shorter gestational window

Simone Collins: mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: If that one of them is the male you see? No.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Whereas if she’s female Yeah. Her body’s

Malcolm Collins: female and that’s because that’s where it’s being carried. Right.

Simone Collins: So there’s eviction notice. Yeah. So, but, but that’s, so that is a very manageable risk, assuming you have good.

Medical, like prenatal and postnatal care we’re, that’s very manageable.

Malcolm Collins: We’re looking to a spicy one here, [00:32:00] and I just, for people wanna know, they wanna verify this stuff. This is from positioning multiracial and cyberspace, uhhuh treatment of online daters in an online dating site, January, 2015. Okay, so now let’s get to black women.

Black women’s preference goes white men.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Black, white men. Black men. They think white men are the most attractive than black. White than black. That is,

Simone Collins: God. What’s so bad about this? J And actually, I, I saw we saw this. People we know anecdotally, like black women, we know anecdotally. We’ve seen this.

Malcolm Collins: Well, this, this gets me. Why is it that black women can have a, oh, oh, hold on. It’s the same for black men by the way. Preference goes black, white is the highest, then white, then black.

Simone Collins: But we know this with black men. We know anecdotally do.

Malcolm Collins: Why do black men get to say in their, in, [00:33:00] in their, in their actual observed preferences in online dating that that white women are hotter to them And a white guy can’t say that.

That’s, that’s weird. This is the observed preferences here. Right? And by the way, people are wondering why I think this might be the case with black people. It’s because we are grouping groups that have no genetic relation together as quote unquote black. Mm-hmm. And through that, what I mean is the genetic diversity within the population we call black is way bigger.

Like mm-hmm. I always say if you’re dividing humanity into like six ethnic groups native Americans, Europeans, east Asians, south Asians would all be one group. Mm-hmm. And the other five would all be in Africa. Yeah.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

Malcolm Collins: yeah. The, the, the, there, the, the, and, and it’s just huge. Watch our video of like our, is humanity, one species.

If you wanna see just how huge the diversity is within African groups. Mm-hmm. In fact, a lot of the African groups that you are gonna meet throughout your life were [00:34:00] West African groups are more related to Europeans than they are. To most other African groups. Yeah. So

Simone Collins: this idea that we would group all, all, all African, no.

Malcolm Collins: And so if you are looking at faces, right? And every group has an in-group preference. Mm-hmm. Right? The blacks don’t have that in-group preference, waiting on the stage.

Simone Collins: You make a really good point. It’s like, yeah. What do you mean I prefer my own? This person doesn’t look at it at all. Like me doesn’t feel at all like me.

Yeah. I I That’s a really good point. Yeah. You’re, you’re asking, you’re acting as though they’re not preferring their own when their own, in this case really isn’t necessarily that similar to them. Yeah, that’s a, oh, I’ve never seen that point made before. Ever. And

Malcolm Collins: this is one of the reasons why it’s bad to like pedal this idea of a pan black identity.

Simone Collins: Yeah, totally. ‘

Malcolm Collins: cause there isn’t a pan black identity. Mm-hmm. And, and, and, and pedaling it [00:35:00] causes I think I think the only reason it was pedaled was so that the progressives could attempt to hijack the black movement and turn it against itself. Mm. And say, look, you, you have, and, and they, they even erased the pan black identity and made it bipoc.

Now it’s everyone, it, it’s, it’s blacks and southern Europeans Right. Are somehow in the same boat now when they’re like, objectively not. In terms of discrimination, in terms of dating, in terms of as we’re gonna see here. Right. Like, and this is the thing like blacks actually have it pretty effing hard, but not for the reasons people say.

Right. Like, would it not suck if your own ethnic group preferred to date other ethnic groups to you? Mm-hmm. Like that would suck. Like I wouldn’t feel good about that. Right? Yeah. So now we’re gonna look at a paper that’s just gonna back up some of what we’ve already found here. Okay. Racial preferences and dating.

Mm-hmm. And this paper showed that women of all races exhibited strong same race preferences. Now note here we’ve seen this isn’t the case in other papers, but I’m assuming that a lot of papers were afraid to say except for [00:36:00] black women they were significantly more likely to say yes to partners of their own race and less likely to non co-ethnic.

Whereas men showed no race of, of no race showed statistically higher significant same race preferences. Overall, men’s decisions were much less influenced by race compared to women’s. And we saw this in the other studies as well. Women are the porn racists. Okay. But think of it. Think, think about it.

Think about it, think about it. Go into a woman’s book. We, I actually do this all the time with Simone ‘cause we go walking in Walmart and in BJ’s. Mm-hmm. And we like looking at the, the book section. Mm-hmm. And I love looking at the women’s sort of, obviously women porn, the erotic book section.

Mm-hmm.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: For women, I have, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a non-white male lead in one of those books where he’s not like a mino tar or something. Ha. Have you ever seen a non-white male lead in one of the leading female erotic fictions?

Simone Collins: I want to say I think so, but I, I, I don’t think [00:37:00] that’s correct.

Like, I wanna, I can, I can picture one right now of that classic design that you, you exactly know what I’m talking about. That like, stupid illustration design that looks like, as you say, an upworker did it. But yeah, no, I. Right. I she Fat ones, oh no. Only the woman’s fat. Nevermind. And, and

Malcolm Collins: especially if we’re going at like the all time greats.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: You know, have you ever, ever if we’re we’re talking about the gr twilight,

Simone Collins: well, it wasn’t Fabio Southern European

Malcolm Collins: in Twilight. What, which one is his?

Simone Collins: Well, Fabio was the, the famous male model who was used on Bodice River Romance covers in like the eighties, nineties. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: I, I,

Simone Collins: you get a very,